[06:36] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> morning peeps
[07:37] <inetpro> good mornings everyone 
[07:37] <inetpro> oh and hi thatgraemeguy and pieter2627
[07:37] <pieter2627> o/ inetpro 
[09:07] <Sxuza> so why is there so much noise here today ?
[09:07] <Sxuza> Cryterion : morning 
[09:07] <Sxuza> u got my sms the Saturday ?
[09:08] <Sxuza> did the work thingie go well ?
[09:11] <Cryterion> Morning, Sorry was very busy over the weekend with family and didn't get a chance to contact you
[09:12] <Sxuza> no problem 
[09:12] <Sxuza> but u did come down to EL ?
[09:13] <Cryterion> Yes did, but had to return yesterday
[09:13] <Sxuza> o ok 
[10:48] <ghostcomplex> hmmm
[11:04] <ghostcomplex> hi guys, any stats fundies here:
[11:06] <ghostcomplex> If I win 70% of my matches and you win 60% of your matches, how you you calculate the probalibity of me beating you?
[11:16] <MaNI> the probability of you beating me is always 0
[11:35] <pieter2627> i think it would be 70 over 60
[11:37] <pieter2627> gremble would be best at answering that as far i know
[12:08] <ghostcomplex> MaNI: Why do say 0
[12:09] <MaNI> I cannot be beaten :)
[12:10] <MaNI> nah j/k I also think it would be 70 over 60 but I'm too tired to think properly at the moment :p
[12:17] <ghostcomplex> hmmmm
[12:18] <ghostcomplex> do you perhaps knwo what kind of topic this problem will fall under?
[12:24] <pieter2627> ghostcomplex: (statistical) probability...
[12:25] <pieter2627> here is my thinking behind it:
[12:25] <pieter2627> Imagine 4 teams that will play against each other...
[12:26] <pieter2627> that is three matches per team as you don't play against yourself...
[12:26] <pieter2627> team A and team B has played two matched (against C & D) and will now face each other
[12:27] <pieter2627> Team A has won both (100%)
[12:27] <pieter2627> team B one (50%)
[12:29] <pieter2627> then try working it from there
[12:31]  * pieter2627 just cannot completely find why 100 over 50 seems ok
[12:32] <ghostcomplex> I'm also struggling to understand the 100/50 part, hence trying to find the topic, thanks pieter2627 
[12:34] <pieter2627> yea it is quite complex - can't even think of it as a venn diagram
[12:36]  * pieter2627 just realised that it will be wrong - if both had 50% then the probability for each has to be 50%
[12:38] <ghostcomplex> true pieter2627 
[12:39] <ghostcomplex> also having trouble googling the problem
[12:40] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:43] <ghostcomplex> hi magespawn 
[12:44] <ghostcomplex> perhaps you can help: If I win 70% of my matches and you win 60% of your matches, how you you calculate the probalibity of me beating you?
[12:54] <MaNI> P(A ∩ B) = 0 is what you want
[12:55] <MaNI> ergh no not even
[12:58] <MaNI> key term to search for is mutually exclusive or disjoint though I think
[13:05] <MaNI> P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B) = 0.7 + 0.6 = 1.3;  0.7/1.3=0.54  - I believe you can just do that though I'm ready to be corrected :)
[13:15] <ghostcomplex> MaNI: Do you perhaps have to link to where you got that from?
[13:19] <MaNI> https://people.richland.edu/james/lecture/m170/ch05-rul.html
[13:20] <MaNI> see the specific addition rule
[13:23] <MaNI> "When two events, A and B, are mutually exclusive, the probability that A or B will occur is the sum of the probability of each event."
[13:24] <MaNI> I think you can just plug the numbers into that rule and then balance the equation, the result also feels right to me
[13:25] <MaNI> however my statistics knowledge on this sort of thing is a bit rusty so I may be wrong
[13:26] <pieter2627> plugging a 50% 50% (or any other equals) in that also works as expected
[13:27] <ghostcomplex> weo weo
[13:28] <ghostcomplex> thanks MaNI, that looks correct
[13:30] <magespawn> ghostcomplex: i would have to look it up. a little beyond my current level
[13:31] <magespawn> there are a couple of the others are mathematicians
[14:06] <magespawn> chat later all
[16:22] <Kilos> evening superfly  and others
[16:25] <superfly> Hi Kilos 
[18:09] <Langjan> Hi Kilos how are you doing? Recovery going as hoped?
[18:09] <Maaz_> Langjan: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell langjan kyk hierna, bietjie snakks maar miskien beter as medikasie http://www.naturalprostate.com/cgi-bin/mailout/mailmgr.cgi" 5 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes and 11 seconds ago
[18:09] <Kilos> hi Langjan good ty
[18:09] <Langjan> Problem solved?
[18:09] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[18:10] <Kilos> what prob
[18:10] <Langjan> oh my, had an op for the kick of it?
[18:10] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:10] <Langjan> lmga, is it that good? 
[18:11] <Kilos> well, noting popping out anymore
[18:11] <Kilos> just not lekker when peeps cut holes in you
[18:11] <Kilos> but im good ty, how are you
[18:12] <Langjan> For sure, not a good thought. Now next step is to get to Oz?
[18:12] <Kilos> yes
[18:12] <Langjan> Also fine thks, a bit lonely, another week to go.   
[18:12] <Kilos> want to be there before Christmas
[18:13] <Langjan> When are you hoping to go?
[18:13] <Langjan> Great, for how long? And where in Oz?
[18:13] <Kilos> still some more saving 
[18:13] <Kilos> melbourne and for 3 months
[18:14] <Langjan> Wow! Pretty area, not so far from my girl in Canberra.
[18:14] <Kilos> i not going to see the counrty side
[18:16] <Langjan> OK visiting, but still beautiful area. So what are you planning to do while you're there? 
[18:16] <Kilos> sleep
[18:16] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:16] <Langjan> expensive sleep...
[18:17] <Kilos> and catch up 30 lost years
[18:17] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[18:17] <Langjan> Is that how long you have been separated? 
[18:18] <Kilos> 30 years since first meeting on 31 dec
[18:18] <Langjan> ?
[18:18] <Kilos> and i suppose 29 and a hlaf since separating
[18:20] <Langjan> You met, then separated after 6 months? 
[18:20] <Kilos> after 4
[18:20] <Kilos> one fight
[18:20] <Kilos> and too much arrogance both sides
[18:20] <Langjan> that lasted 30 years?
[18:21] <Kilos> yeah
[18:21] <Kilos> crazy hey
[18:21] <Langjan> A better fight than Renamo and Frelimo, they could only do 18 years
[18:21] <Kilos> you think i only been stupid since bashing my head
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <Langjan> So what makes you want to get together, both sides? 
[18:22] <Kilos> both sides
[18:22] <Kilos> one wakes up at times to realise that at times there is no alternative
[18:23] <Langjan> Enjoyed the fight so much youre ready for another? 
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:23] <Langjan> So what does she do in Melbourne?
[18:23] <Kilos> retired nurse
[18:24] <Langjan> And after 3 months, hoping for what?
[18:24] <Kilos> well , i spose youll have to wtch this space
[18:24] <Kilos> watch
[18:25] <Langjan> OK, well I really hope things work out for you the way you would like  
[18:26] <Langjan> She staying on her own? 
[18:26] <Kilos> with our daughter
[18:27] <Langjan> OK have you seen her and what does she do? 
[18:27] <Kilos> Langjan see your pm
[18:27] <Kilos> we chat daily
[19:12] <Kilos> nothing broken
[19:13] <Kilos> gonna rain
[19:14] <Langjan> Nothing broken, keeping safe thks to Kilos 
[19:14] <Kilos> keep up the good work oom
[19:14] <Langjan> Trying, thks you also
[19:15] <Langjan> Thks for being such a great backup sonny
[19:15] <Kilos> im happy to help
[19:15] <Langjan> keep and sleep well  
[19:15] <Kilos> ty you too
[19:15] <Langjan> Thks, bye for now
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight