[07:15] <Zeioth> good morning :)
[09:10] <miroslav_> I don´t have icons for open office after installing it with dpkg -i
[09:17] <cfhowlett> miroslav_, open office?  not even in the repos.  try libreoffice
[09:18] <miroslav_> I have installed libreoffice
[09:18] <cfhowlett> so why open office?
[09:55] <viceroy> Can someone point me to a list of the preinstalled applications?
[10:00] <knome> viceroy, in the menu
[10:00] <viceroy> Right, but I've already uninstalled it all.
[10:00] <knome> so do you have a real question/problem you are trying to solve then?
[10:00] <cfhowlett> viceroy, hey.  Ms. Cleo has retired.  How about you give ALL of the details.
[10:01] <viceroy> I need to remake a first boot script but I can't find a list of the preinstalled applications
[10:01] <viceroy> I don't know how else to spell out my question
[10:01] <knome> what would the first boot script do?
[10:01] <knome> remove preinstalled applications?
[10:02] <viceroy> Yeah, and install desired ones
[10:02] <knome> why don't you use xubuntu-core?
[10:02] <viceroy> There's a version of Xubuntu with a bunch of tweaks specifically for the laptop I'm using
[10:03] <cfhowlett> viceroy, apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop       http://paste.ubuntu.com/12968897/
[10:03] <cfhowlett> viceroy, what laptop?
[10:03] <viceroy> thank you! that helps perfectly
[10:03] <viceroy> Acer C720
[10:04] <cfhowlett> viceroy, that's a chrome machine???
[10:04] <viceroy> Yep
[10:04] <cfhowlett> and you're using chrubuntu?
[10:04] <viceroy> Handy lil machine
[10:04] <viceroy> Nope, just installed directly on
[10:04] <cfhowlett> :0
[10:04] <viceroy> Yeah its a neat lil machine
[10:05] <viceroy> Just found out I can natively run Morrowind with OpenMW too
[14:04] <bs0d> Hello. Is this channel alive?
[14:05] <flocculant> if you mean "are there people about waiting to read a question to see if they can actually answer it" then yes
[14:05] <bs0d> oh cool. I experience a problem - no signal from HDMI
[14:07] <bs0d> The video card is Intel HD Graphics 5500 and I have downloaded the Intel Linux drivers from https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[14:07] <bs0d> but there is still no signal
[14:07] <tmsbrg> if you type 'xrandr -q' in console it should give you a list of recognized outputs, including the HDMI
[14:10] <bs0d> tmbrg, it says http://pastebin.com/Nyq3G8sX
[14:10] <bs0d> mtbrg Screen0 is the built-in one I suppose, HDMI1 is a mini-hdmi port (not connected) and HDMI 2 is a hdmi port with cable attached
[14:12] <tmsbrg> so the computer thinks it's connected
[14:12] <bs0d> yes, and the second display is detected in the display settings window
[14:13] <rinse_and_repeat> And you're sure you checked the "Use this display" checkbox? ;)
[14:15] <tmsbrg> maybe the HDMI2 has nothing to render? Might check it in arandr
[14:16] <tmsbrg> seems like the display should be cloned, but don't know
[14:16] <bs0d> the display remains black and sais no signal for every mode (clone / extend)
[14:17] <tmsbrg> is it the correct display? is the cable fully working? I don't have much experience with such a problem
[14:18] <bs0d> yes, I have only two displays. The cable is working, as I use it on a daily basis and it works fine for my another laptop with Windows on it
[14:19] <bs0d> maybe the problem is in the driver?
[14:20] <bs0d> did HDMI work for you with generic drivers shipped with Xubuntu, or you had to install vendor-specific drivers?
[14:20] <tmsbrg> it worked with the standard drivers
[14:21] <tmsbrg> but I have AMD on my laptop
[14:21] <tmsbrg> AMD/ATI
[14:22] <tmsbrg> you have to download intel drivers via their site? Because I thought there was a built in thing to switch drivers
[14:22] <bs0d> hmm arandr sais both outputs are active
[14:23] <bs0d> yes, I downloaded the driver here https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-installer-linux-1.2.0  they provide a .deb package
[14:23] <bs0d> with generic drivers it did not work either
[14:23] <tmsbrg> maybe then it doesn't have to do with the drivers, since both drivers seem to work, but not use HDMI output
[14:24] <tmsbrg> not sure though
[14:24] <tmsbrg> driver problems are the worst
[15:47] <nikolam> Who was so clever to name regular desktop right-click 'Delete' that pushes things to Trash, as "Move to trash" in Xubuntu XFCE  and to make 'Delete' deletes files instantly without putting into trash?
[15:48] <nikolam> You got to have in mind that regular joe would start to use Xubuntu (14.04) and expect to have deleted items in trash can like on all desktops
[15:54] <Hekau> xubuntu hibernate has some problems... sometimes I get black screen after re-hibernating...
[16:00] <nikolam> Hekau, worth of reporting a bug, it is most probably Linux bug in supporting hardware or something. What is your motherboard/machine?
[16:02] <bs0d> Hello again
[16:03] <bs0d> I need to install manufacturer chipset drivers: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201411-16196/
[16:03] <bs0d> Are they available in xubuntu repositories?
[16:04] <bs0d> I do indeed see a bunch of xserver-xorg-video-intel stuff in the SW center, not sure though which one do I need
[16:04] <bs0d> could anyone help please?
[16:07] <Hekau> I have xubuntu 15.04 and I'm using this installer https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[16:07] <Hekau> check "installer" in filter
[16:07] <Hekau> after installing this package, you should find "Intel graphics installer for linux" in your menu
[16:07] <Hekau> run it, install it
[16:09] <bs0d> Intel Graphics Installer for Linux* 1.2.0 - is this the one I need?
[16:10] <Hekau> if your xubuntu version is 15.04 then yes
[16:11] <bs0d> My version is 14.04 LTS
[16:11] <bs0d> Will it work in this case?
[16:11] <Hekau> nope
[16:11] <bs0d> do you accidentally know if there is any repository where I can get this drivers for v14.04 LTS?
[16:12] <Hekau> nope, don't think if there is one
[16:12] <Hekau> there's drivers for 14.10 and 15.04 versions
[16:13] <bs0d> Sorry to be so annoying, I'd like to ask about the OEM installation version
[16:14] <bs0d> What is the difference between regular and OEM installation? The 14.04 LTS installer suggested such a choice and I have chosen regular installation
[16:26] <flocculant> the OEM version would be if you wanted to install to a load of machines - there are extra steps - we don't test that
[16:36] <bs0d> I am upgrading 14.04 LTS to 15.04
[16:37] <bs0d> hope after the upgrade I will be able to use the Intel drivers
[16:38] <flocculant> upgrading from 14.04 to 15.04 isn't a supported option, should have gone to 14.10 when that was still live
[16:39] <flocculant> and if you've got graphics issues then I'd be more inclined towards clean install than upgrading
[16:40] <drc> And 15.04 only has about 2 or 3 months until EOL now that15.10 has been released.
[16:57] <Hekau> yeah, just do clean install of 15.04 and do not format your /home, reuse it
[18:10] <rabobank> hey all i have a two monitor xubuntu machine, but when i replaced one of the monitors with a bigger one it somehow created a second and distinct desktop environment for it... i can move my mouse inbetween desktops (monitors) but not windows. if i open a terminal on one monitor, and then the other, it closes the first terminal session... any ideas how to reset/unscrew this up?
[18:12] <rabobank> also xrandr only shows the monitor associated with the desktop that i invoke it from via terminal
[18:30] <wzsun> Hey I upgraded to 15.10 but it hangs when it starts and its just stuck on the circle indicator
[18:31] <wzsun> anyone know a fix?
[18:58] <bs0d> I cannot find version 15.04 in the Downloads section of the website. It suggests 14.04 LTS or 15.10
[18:58] <bs0d> Are there any archives of the earlier versions out there?
[19:00] <drc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[19:00] <drc> bs0d ^^
[19:01] <bs0d> drc: thanks :)
[19:01] <drc> The DL page only shows the LTS and the current release (and maybe the upcoming beta at the proper time)
[19:02] <drc> bs0d: You do know that 15.04 will be EOL in 3 months?
[19:02] <bs0d> drc: I hope that Intel some day will update their graphics installer to support 15.10 - currently sais "distribution not supported"
[19:03] <drc> ah...bummer :(
[19:03] <bs0d> drc: interesting after I install the drivers If I upgrade to 15.10, will the driver will remain operational? :)
[19:04] <drc> Probably not (guess)...I'm guessing they don't support it because of the kernel upgrade.
[19:05] <bs0d> drc: fcuk >< bad news
[19:05] <bs0d> drc: so - no updates, no upgrades after install?
[19:06] <drc> no, you can <update> 15.04, but I wouldn't <upgrade> to 15.10.
[19:08] <drc> But I am surprised that Intel doesn't support 15.10.
[19:09] <xubuntuNewbie> Hi there, I see that the new xubuntu version is available for download. Thx to everyone involved building it. I'm currently running xubuntu 15.04. The software updater tells me 15.10 is available. Will it upgrade automatically or does this only for for ubuntu?
[19:09] <bs0d> drc: unfortunately, yes: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-installer-linux-1.2.0
[19:10] <xubuntuNewbie> for for -> work for
[19:10] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: as far as I understand it will not upgrade automatically, unless you let it do so
[19:10] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: you can upgrade in the SW center
[19:10] <flocculant> xubuntuNewbie: it should come up when you're notified of updates
[19:11] <xubuntuNewbie> it just popped up :-) Was just wondering if this upgrade process works for xubuntu or only for the original Ubuntu version
[19:12] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: Im pretty sure it works for xubuntu as well. Give it a try
[19:13] <xubuntuNewbie> ok, just clicked on upgrade and the software manager window closed and nothing seems to be happening
[19:16] <xubuntuNewbie> bs0d: clicking on upgrade in the sw updater does not start the xubuntu upgrade. Tried it twice now. Window just closes and doesn't seem to do anything
[19:17] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: hmm .. interesting. Couple of hours ago I tried to upgrade 14.04 LTS and it worked well
[19:18] <bs0d> I got a popup winow telling me how many packets the system is going to download and that it will not possible to cancel the installation
[19:21] <bs0d> drc: a stupid question - how do I upgrade when Intel eventually releases the new drivers? First distro then drivers? :)
[19:21] <bs0d> drc: or the other way around
[19:22] <drc> I'd upgrade distro first (kernel, remember :)
[19:23] <drc> But then, I never upgrade...I always re-install (separate ~/home)
[19:24]  * drc notes this is a hangover from the Bad Old Days.
[19:26] <bs0d> I experience a weird problem in 15.04
[19:27] <bs0d> The menu which asks for password to unlock the drive does not accept input into the input field. Input is typed in the background in the uppermost left corner :
[19:27] <bs0d> :\
[19:27] <bs0d> weird
[19:28] <drc> you have an encrypted drive?
[19:28] <bs0d> drc: yes. I chose encryption + LVM during installation
[19:29] <bs0d> drc: that's employer requirement to use encrypted media - I cant get around it
[19:30] <drc> Have fun :)  I have no knowledge of encrypted drives, nor LVM. (Don't want any either :)
[19:30]  * drc is just a simple user.
[19:32] <bs0d> drc: it looks like a bug specific for 15.04, because I can type password normally in 14.04 LTS and 15.10
[19:39] <bs0d> Which packages do I need to install in order to build a driver from the sources? IIRC, Ubuntu-like systems (and Debian) are not shipped with a compiler-suite with them by default
[19:54] <waltsn> Hey does anyone know how to downgrade the kernel?
[20:10] <xubuntu78o> I upgraded my XPS13 from 15.04 and now X won't start. Is there a way to get it to autoconfigure?
[20:14] <flocculant> bs0d: possibly bug 1359689
[20:19] <MisterMom> have the naming of network cards been changed in 15.10,  instead of eth0 I now have enp0s25,  is this correct and proper ?
[20:20] <flocculant> MisterMom: yes - that is right
[20:20] <drc> yes
[20:20] <MisterMom> ok
[20:20] <drc> MisterMom: Caught me by surprise also...
[20:20] <MisterMom> what does it mean ?
[20:22] <drc> MisterMom: see https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[20:22] <MisterMom> drc, thanks
[20:27] <drc> MisterMom: np (what it really means is that the network gods decided to change things again :)
[20:28] <MisterMom> lol yeah just reading the naming conventions now
[20:31] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-June/038777.html
[20:31] <flocculant> MisterMom: ^^ sums up what happened in *buntu recently
[20:33] <flocculant> dkessel: I've put nothing on the QA blueprint re autopkg testing - if you think you'll get time to look at it then feel free to add it
[20:33] <flocculant> poor old task has been postponed for ~4 cycles now :D
[20:34] <MisterMom> thanks ppl at least it looks like progress
[20:35] <flocculant> oh deary me ... channel fail
[20:35] <drc> no, flocculant fail :)
[20:35] <flocculant> :)
[20:35] <MisterMom> have a great day :-)
[20:55] <brianc_> Guys, how do I check a partition size from the command line?
[20:55] <cubatron> Hi to everybody
[20:55] <brianc_> fdisk -l shows me the size of the devices, but not the partitions on each device
[20:56] <drc> brianc_: man df (for options)
[20:56] <cubatron> I need help, I already upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10, but my eth0 doesn't work
[20:56] <brianc_> @drc, thank you, the partition doesn't have a filesystem yet though
[20:57] <drc> cubatron: The name has changed, use inxi -F to find the new name
[20:57] <drc> cubatron: see https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[20:58] <cubatron> drc, when I install my network do not start, after rread some forums I manage to start my Wlan
[20:58] <cubatron> But my eth0 do not connect
[20:58] <flocculant> cubatron: please read what people tell you - then you'll see why it doesn't work
[20:59] <cubatron> If I restart y have to make a network-manager restart
[20:59] <drc> cubatron: "eth0" does not work anymore (with much work)...use the new name
[21:00] <cubatron> OK how I fix my problem whith the new nae
[21:00] <cubatron> name
[21:01] <drc> cubatron: don't bother, just use the new name, it'll be much simpler.  But if you must, the options are at the bottom of the link I gave you.
[21:01] <cubatron> I will try to understand, I not an advanced user, thanks
[21:01] <drc> cubatron: But did you mean "how do I find the new name"?
[21:02] <kaerhon> hello
[21:02] <drc> hello
[21:02] <kaerhon> question : is there a wacom tablet utility in xubuntu 15.04?
[21:05] <cubatron> drc, if I use "ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules" will solve all my problems?
[21:13] <drc> cubatron: why bother?  inxi -n (or -F) is less typing (and it's installed by default)
[21:19] <flocculant> kaerhon: this might help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2274775&p=13281407&viewfull=1#post13281407 - other than that - not got one, never had one, so never needed to troubleshoot
[21:20] <kaerhon> flocculant, well, it's not not working, i just wanted to know if there was a quick graphical way to tweak pressure sensitivity
[21:20] <kaerhon> thanks
[21:22] <flocculant> right - no idea I'm afraid - but if there is such a thing in Ubuntu - then you should be able to install it in Xubuntu
[21:28] <kaerhon> hmm good to know thank you!
[21:28] <cubatron> I have problem with networks in the new xubuntu 15.10, any help
[21:29] <drc> cubatron: Same problem?  Same answer.
[21:30] <cubatron> drc, I do this "You disable the assignment of fixed names, so that the unpredictable kernel names are used again. For this, simply mask udev's rule file for the default policy: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules (since v209: this file was called 80-net-name-slot.rules in release v197 through v208)"
[21:30] <cubatron> but that's not solve anything
[21:30] <drc> OK, I'm out.
[21:38] <flocculant> cubatron: do you even have /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules because if you don't then that wouldn't work
[21:39] <sorinello> Unit193, hello, are you around ?
[21:39] <cubatron> flocculant, I just have "70-persistent-net.rules"
[21:40] <drc> sorinello: Haven't seen him all day.
[21:40] <sorinello> thanks drc
[21:40] <flocculant> cubatron: then making a symbolic link to /dev/null from something that doesn't exist won't help you
[21:40] <flocculant> cubatron: make sure that network manager is using the right name
[21:41] <cubatron> I suppose that
[21:41] <flocculant> no suppose about it
[22:02] <sorinello> drc, could you help me with a thing ? Some months ago I made an application to auto start. And now I am unable to find nout what mechanism it uses to autostart. It's not in  Session and Startup, but I am unable to find where it starts.. or by whom
[22:03] <drc> Sorry, beyond my paygrade.
[22:04] <ochosi> sorinello: looked into /etc/initi.d/ yet?
[22:04] <ochosi> erm, init.d
[22:04] <ochosi> that would be if that app you installed runs as a system service
[22:05] <sorinello> ochosi, it's not there. If I htop, I see it's a child of xfce4/xinitrc
[22:06] <sorinello> the app in question (synergy) does not have something to autostart out of the box
[22:06] <sorinello> so I must have made something manually, but I don'tr emember where
[22:09] <ochosi> did you create an ~/.xinitrc file by any chance?
[22:10] <sorinello> let me check
[22:10] <sorinello> ochosi, nope
[22:11] <ochosi> if not, check /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[22:11] <sorinello> I also checked .bashrc
[22:11] <sorinello> ochosi, nothing related to synergy there, only . /etc/X11/Xsession
[22:12] <sorinello> other lines are commented
[22:13] <sorinello> it starts after I login
[22:13] <sorinello> as my current logges user, no root, no system
[22:21] <sorinello> ochosi, I might have found it. It's because when I restart, xubuntu restores the session :)) and synergy is there, and is started by the session restore
[22:22] <kaerhon> bye people!
[22:25] <ochosi> sorinello: ah right, yeah that makes sense too
[22:42] <Unit193> sorinello: Autostart on login could be as simple as ~/.config/autostart/, could have used the system dirs for that, made an upstart or systemd job (user or system.)  Just depends on what type you made.
[22:43] <cubatron> How can I make network-manager in Xubuntu 15.10 use the correct names?
[22:44] <sorinello> Unit193, Hello :)
[22:44] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:45] <sorinello> Unit193, I am looking at your PPA, and I see you have a synergy version there .. 1.7.4, which seems to be the latest. Did you built/compiled it yourself ?
[22:46] <sorinello> Unit193, I am looking at https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/test
[22:46] <sorinello> 1.7.4-0vanir1~15.10
[22:54] <Unit193> sorinello: Yeah I updated the packaging, it has the ns plugin too (ssl support.)  FWIW, the one in Ubuntu is decently new enough, updated that the beginning of this year.
[22:55] <sorinello> Unit193, I am asking because if you want to download the package from their site, you must pay a annual subscription. It seems this is thei way to enforce support from the community. And I've been looking on the internet to get the latest version for ubuntu
[22:57] <Unit193> The Paywall is only for latest pre-built binary packages, source is always at https://github.com/synergy/synergy/ since it is still an open source application though.
[22:57] <sorinello> yes, indeed. But I don't want to build. I just want the deb file
[22:57] <Unit193> And the plugins, of course.
[22:58] <sorinello> Unit193, now I have 1.62, bu I'd like to switch to the latest version, and I am unable to find a proper deb file
[23:00] <sorinello> seems that ubuntu doesn't push the latest stable
[23:03] <Unit193> Someone would have to update it, the maintainer in Debian has been a big busy but I've forwarded my changes to him.
[23:04] <sorinello> Unit193, ah.. so synergy comes from Debian packages ? I imagined that the Ubuntu guys are the maintainers
[23:04] <sorinello> I still don't kn ow how this big Debian/Ubuntu ecosystem works :)
[23:05] <Unit193> sorinello: Usually, though in this case since the version is '1.6.2-0ubuntu2', it means there are Ubuntu changes, or it was updated in Ubuntu (changelog here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synergy/+changelog )
[23:08] <sorinello> Unit193, so the package from your PPA (the latest stable version) was built by yourself and it might be included in the standard repos ? Or should I use your PPA directly and don't wait until it becomes available in official repos
[23:11] <Unit193> sorinello: I haven't pushed it to the official repos as it contains a library of a GPL-3 application linked against OpenSSL, so Ubuntu can't officially distribute it (Upstream progress: https://github.com/synergy/synergy/pull/4979 - https://github.com/synergy/synergy/issues/4597)
[23:12] <sorinello> Unit193, thank you very much for the info
[23:12] <Unit193> Great, glad I was able to help.
[23:23] <Unit193> sorinello: PM a sec?
[23:25] <Orioa>  weechat.look.bare_display_time_format.
[23:33] <wolf1> After installing xubuntu 15.10, when I connect successfully to a VPN the network icon in the panel doesn't change to a secure (paddlock) one like it did in the previous versions of xubuntu.