[00:38] <gil_> Hey guys - this will sound stupid, but I think since I upgraded to 15.10 from 15.04 powersaving is not working at all. My laptop apparently didn't sleep in my bag today and drained itself
[00:41] <gil_> Is there a way I can check to see what's going on?
[02:39] <LE0S93OS> what channel would i use for lxpanel?
[02:40] <ianorlin> here if it for lubuntu or maybe #lxde on freenode or more likely #lxde on oftc
[02:51] <LE0S93OS> i'll use #lxde on oftc.  thank you.
[02:51] <ianorlin> although most users would have late night at this time on both of thsoe channels
[03:34] <LE0S93OS> Upon a new installation of Lubuntu 15.10, I performed the following.  "sudo aptitude purge many_programs" and "sudo aptitude install many_programs".  After this is complete the programs are gone from the lxmenu (expected correct behavior).  When I went to add the new programs I was presented with the old program menu in "Application Bar --> Prefrences".  Is this a function of lxpanel and bad updating or something else?
[17:01] <gil> Hi all. Does anyone know in a nutshell what has changed with power management between 15.04 and 15.10? Lid close on my latitude used to suspend flawlessly, now it hard locks the laptop with fans on maximum. Pm-suspend command line still works fine. Anybody have any suggestions as to where I can start untangling this?
[17:17] <ianorlin> gil: hmm did anything change in power managment settings
[17:21] <gil> I notice that there is a new xfcd power settings manager on the bar? That's all I can see though. The only other thing I can think of is I don't seem to have a proprietary Intel driver in the additional hardware section but now I don't even have that option to enable it. Assume I'll be using an open driver, which may have something to do with it?
[17:21] <gil> Video driver I mean
[17:22] <ianorlin> gil: that is not a video driver that is an update to microcode
[17:23] <gil> Yeah, I'm saying that I'm pretty certain I used to have a priority video driver in 15.04 but don't have that option in additional hardware in 15.10
[17:24] <gil> Priority/proprietary stupid phone
[21:45] <Langley1> Hey, two questions: How do I disable Lubuntu asking what to do when connecting a media device, AND how to enable num lock on start up?
[21:46] <redwolf> install numlockx package
[21:46] <redwolf> it'll activate the numlock at startup
[21:47] <Langley1> Okay thanks... why in the world is that not standard. Why would you ever not want numlock enabled
[21:47] <redwolf> not everybody wants that way :)
[21:47] <melodie> Langley1 for the other question, look into pcmanfm menu Edition > Preferences
[21:47] <genii> When you want to use your numberpad for up/down/left/right
[21:47] <melodie> and there choose to mount your media automatically?
 Okay thanks... why in the world is that not standard. Why would you ever not want numlock enabled
[21:48] <redwolf> yes, deselect the "show available options"
[21:48] <melodie> because some have laptops where it's a bummer
[21:48] <melodie> when you want to login and have the numlock unabled, and can't find how to turn it off while it keeps refusing your password
[21:49] <melodie> because the numlock on the laptop is active and replaces the letters on the keyboard
[21:50] <Langley1> Then it should auto detect what keyboard it is
[21:52] <redwolf> it's not easy sending signals to a "dead end" hardware like most of the keyboards are
[21:52] <redwolf> they don't usually use real communication with the computer
[21:52] <redwolf> the most easy thing would be a daemon remembering how do you want that state, on or off. easier
[21:53] <Langley1> Can't it just detect if an USB keyboard is plugged in? Or however other OSes do it
[21:53] <redwolf> a standalone keyboard can't be detected. you can only send a bit to every key and watch if it reacts, to count the keys
[21:54] <melodie> Langley1 you have a gui tool which allows you to choose what programs are launched at same time as the session.
[21:54] <melodie> do you really need numlock on before the session is running? then you can set it up
[21:54] <redwolf> and it can fail. that's why Windows and the rest of OSes usually ask what keyboard do you have, just in case the setup doesn't recognise (which is 99% of times)
[21:54] <melodie> the beauty with software and especially free software is that it can adapt to every one's needs, just you need to learn a few little things to make it your own.
[21:55] <melodie> and more the time goes, less the users have work to do for that purpose
[21:59] <Langley1> I'd rather my OS ask for what keyboard I've got on installation that having to install cryptic packages
[22:00] <redwolf> trust me, we minimise the need of those "cryptic" packages in the ISO, everything the devs put is needed
[22:00] <Langley1> You're missing the num lock one then...
[22:00] <redwolf> that's why the software centers were created, not to deal with odd package names, like Synaptic does. better install "LibreOffice Writer" than strange libraries
[22:01] <Langley1> There should at least be somewhere in the settings GUI to enable it
[22:01] <redwolf> no, because it's against people's requests
[22:01] <redwolf> the goal would be remembering your keyboard state, like Gnome does
[22:01] <redwolf> if you press numlock in Gnome, the next session remembers it. but you can't force other people to use your specific needs
[22:02] <redwolf> but for the moment LXDE can't do this
[22:02] <redwolf> and it's not cryptic at all. if you open Lubuntu Software Center and look for Num Lock it'll show up that package explaining what's for
[22:07] <Langley1> The gnome thing would be good... installing software isn't
[22:07] <redwolf> I don't really know how it does it
[22:08] <redwolf> so I should add this to the to-do list on future releases :)
[22:12] <Langley1> You're a dev on this project? Now we're on missing features, I couldn't rotate one of my monitors by GUI either. Or set them properly up at all
[22:16] <redwolf> not exactly a dev, I'm in charge of artwork
[22:16] <redwolf> so technical details escape to my control
[22:16] <redwolf> for a total monitor control you should use arandr
[22:17] <redwolf> it has more features than the default one (that is intended for most of the users)
[22:22] <Langley1> Does it have a GUI?
[22:22] <redwolf> yes
[22:23] <redwolf> https://christian.amsuess.com/tools/arandr/
[22:23] <Langley1> Maybe that should be used instead.... oh well, I won't complain anymore
[22:24] <redwolf> don't worry :)
[22:24] <redwolf> I never used it, so I can't tell about it
[22:24] <redwolf> but a friend was able to rotate a monitor to set it vertical
[22:24] <redwolf> a second monitor
[22:25] <Langley1> Yeah I eventually got it working by editing the lxrandr config file
[22:25] <Langley1> I'm just of the opinion that everything should be possible by GUI
[22:25] <redwolf> it seems this one is easy, script guided, so everything's visual
[22:32] <redwolf> Langley1, don't worry about asking, this is why we are here
[22:32] <redwolf> and I understand you. as a designer I like to have everything on a GUI. and my task in Lubuntu is making UIs :)
[22:33] <redwolf> or try to convince the devs to make it more "useable", improving its interfaces and themes (icons, toolbars, etc)
[22:42] <Langley1> Cool... Then maybe you should know about this... graphical inconsistency I have in the task bar
[22:42] <redwolf> which one?
[22:43] <Langley1> The mail panel thing
[22:43] <redwolf> can you send a screenshot?
[22:43] <Langley1> I guess... If I make it higher than 24 pixels, it introduces a horizontal line across it
[22:44] <redwolf> O.o
[22:45] <redwolf> oh wait
[22:46] <redwolf> you mean when the panel is 28px height, for instance, you see the end of the bitmap? that's because the image is repeating, not adjusting
[22:47] <Langley1> I guess that can be it... But it's an image? Not a dynamic gradient or something like that?
[22:47] <redwolf> nope. lxpanel can't handle CSS yet
[22:47] <redwolf> if it would do that I'd set a CSS gradient
[22:47] <redwolf> that is fixed in the next version of our desktop
[22:47] <redwolf> for the moment you'll have to use another image, or use a colour
[22:48] <wxl> no css in config files, redwolf. you're ruining me.
[22:48] <Langley1> I'll wait, then
[22:49] <redwolf> sorry, "css" (lots of quotes in the air)
[22:49] <redwolf> themed css-like
[22:49]  * wxl glowers
[22:50] <redwolf> Langley1, you could try yourself doing an image with the GIMP ;)
[22:50] <redwolf> or look in Deviantart for more panel backgrounds (even textured ones)
[22:50] <redwolf> wxl, are you afraid of CSS? :D
[22:50] <redwolf> CSS is your friend...
[22:51] <redwolf> no, kidding, CSS is a b*tch :D
[22:51] <redwolf> Langley1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Wily/Box
[22:51] <redwolf> you can download the SVG or the PNG from there and adjust it to your needs
[22:54] <Langley1> Isn't that the same? 15.10?
[22:54] <Langley1> Anyways I don't really care, it's just a black line
[22:54] <redwolf> usually yes, we use the same panel every release
[22:54] <redwolf> you can use a plain colour if you wish. check the panel properties.
[22:55] <redwolf> sorry, I have to go now
[22:55] <redwolf> I'll be here tomorrow, Langley1
[22:55] <redwolf> ;bye
[22:56] <redwolf> god natt ålla!
[22:56] <Langley1> Who the hell is the other langley