[03:57] <pitti> Good morning
[05:46] <hikiko> good morning :)
[06:46] <didrocks> good morning
[06:47] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:51] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, ça va ?
[06:51] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien, merci !
[06:51] <pitti> et toi ?
[06:51] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:51] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[06:52] <pitti> j'ai me lève à 4h30 à nouveau, mais nous allons dormir tôt
[06:52] <pitti> ça va seb128 ?
[06:52] <seb128> pitti, oui, très bien ! et toi ? tu te lèves tôt :-/
[06:53] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:53] <didrocks> still sick (a little bit more than yesterday…)
[06:53] <seb128> didrocks, :-(
[06:55] <pitti> didrocks: erk -- again!?
[06:56] <didrocks> pitti: well, last time, it was a month ago…
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, but it lasted for two weeks, no?
[06:57] <didrocks> pitti: no, a week. It lasted 2 weeks for larsu :p
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: get well soon then, and take it easy! *hug*
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: ah, ok -- ETOOMANYGERMSHERE :(
[06:57] <seb128> no semi-marathon today!
[06:57] <didrocks> seb128: already non yesterday :(
[06:57] <seb128> :-(
[06:58] <didrocks> none*
[07:09] <desrt> good morning fellow europeans
[07:09] <desrt> ETOOMANYGERMANSHERE
[07:10] <didrocks> hey desrt
[07:11] <seb128> hey desrt
[07:27] <hikiko> andyrock, Trevinho easy karma: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.fixed-tests-wwarnings/+merge/275801 :D
[07:29] <desrt> EUNRELIABLENETCONNECTION :(
[07:30]  * desrt just sat here looking at her screen for the past 20 minutes thinking "sure is quiet in here this morning" before realising the connection had dropped
[07:35] <seb128> desrt, :-(
[07:35] <seb128> hey hikiko!
[07:35] <seb128> but yeah, it's still a bit quiet at this time of the day
[07:35] <hikiko> hi seb128 and desrt :)
[07:36] <hikiko> and pitti and didrocks
[07:36] <desrt> hello seb128 didrocks hikiko and pitti  :)
[07:36] <hikiko> hello world
[07:36] <desrt> \n
[07:36] <hikiko> :D
[07:51] <pitti> hey hikiko, hello desrt! how are you?
[07:51] <desrt> my feet are a bit cold, but otherwise pretty good
[07:51] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[07:54] <hikiko> good pitti you?
[07:54] <pitti> hikiko: I'm great, thanks
[08:04] <larsu> good morning!
[08:04] <desrt> larsu: hi :D
[08:04] <larsu> didrocks: dude I told you to get better yesterday!
[08:04] <larsu> desrt: moring! how goes?
[08:05] <desrt> bad
[08:05]  * larsu just realized that he can't change brightness on the lock screen
[08:05] <desrt> google keeps talking to me in german
[08:05] <larsu> desrt: oh, sorry to hear. What's up?
[08:05] <larsu> bah
[08:05] <desrt> so i can't do anything useful
[08:05] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[08:05] <didrocks> larsu: well, EFAIL ;)
[08:06] <larsu> desrt: I'm sure you can figure out where to search even when it's speaking to you in german
[08:06] <larsu> didrocks: ya. Good morning in any case. Hope you get better
[08:06] <desrt> i'm trying to deal with account stuff still
[08:06] <larsu> seb128: hi! gut, danke. Had some beers with Laney and Rosie last night
[08:06] <seb128> oh, nice
[08:06] <larsu> how are you?
[08:06] <seb128> what are they doing from their holidays?
[08:07] <seb128> I'm good, thanks ;-)
[08:07] <larsu> being tourists in Berlin :)
[08:07] <larsu> seb128: do you have a hidpi screen?
[08:07] <larsu> I guess you still didn't get that new laptop...
[08:07]  * larsu needs a tester
[08:08] <seb128> no I don't
[08:08] <seb128> what's the issue?
[08:08] <larsu> screenshots on hidpi
[08:08] <larsu> were blurry
[08:09] <larsu> fixed it yesterday
[08:09] <larsu> patch accepted upstream, but I want someone to test
[08:09] <larsu> (who is not me)
[08:10] <seb128> unsure who in the team has one
[08:10] <larsu> iain :)
[08:10] <seb128> Laney but he's wandering in Berlin
[08:10] <larsu> he's actually sleeping in the next room
[08:10] <didrocks> larsu: thanks! I hope that as well :)
[08:10] <seb128> borrow his laptop!
[08:11] <larsu> I can put mine into hidpi and test myself
[08:11] <larsu> I just want another set of eyes
[08:11]  * larsu should wake him
[08:11] <larsu> this. is. important.
[08:11] <seb128> :-)
[08:15] <desrt> larsu: hi to laney and rosie :)
[08:16] <larsu> desrt: good timing. Half of them are already awake
[08:29] <seb128> larsu, do you remember why we decided to hide the action/view menus in evince under unity? we add a menubar for hud/unity-panel/consistency purpose but we could keep the in-win UI unchanged no?
[08:30] <Laney> hi friends!!!!!
[08:30] <larsu> seb128: we did? Can't remember...
[08:30] <larsu> Laney: good morning!
[08:30] <seb128> hey Laney! how is Berlin?
[08:30] <Laney> the evidence suggests that it is always sunny
[08:30] <Sweet5hark> g'morning all
[08:30] <seb128> :-)
[08:30] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[08:30] <seb128> german wakes up
[08:30] <Laney> yesterday we napped by the river
[08:31] <pitti> hey Laney
[08:31] <Laney> IN OCTOBER
[08:31] <Laney> WHAT IS THIS
[08:31] <seb128> haha
[08:31] <Laney> hey pitti!
[08:31] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:31] <seb128> larsu, k, so no objection if I revert that I guess? ;-)
[08:31] <larsu> seb128: nope
[08:32] <larsu> hi Sweet5hark
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: quite well, thanks! doing nothing else but juggling autopkgtests on all fronts (lcy01 demise, test regresssions, britney handholding, ppc64el cloud setup, etc. :) )
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: how are you?
[08:32] <seb128> larsu, I was looking at why evince prints some warning on start, it's because the code tries to use those widgets that we put in if (!ev_application_has_traditional_menus (EV_APP))
[08:32] <larsu> seb128: oh?! New evince version and you applied the patch to that?
[08:33] <seb128> larsu, right, but the warning were already there in wily
[08:33] <larsu> werid
[08:33] <seb128> try
[08:33] <seb128> start evince
[08:33] <larsu> ya
[08:33] <seb128> (I assume there that you are still on wily ;-)
[08:34] <larsu> yeah I see this. can have a look
[08:35] <seb128> larsu, no, it's fine, I just did the change
[08:35] <larsu> ah cool, thanks :)
[08:37] <Sweet5hark> to make you feel more comfortable during the next sprint: https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/WBkkaztzHRh
[08:38] <Laney> pitti: good thanks, I'm on hoiliday in berlin atm & staying in larsu's place
[08:38] <Laney> just came on to be a helpful soul and test a patch
[08:38] <Laney> and because I missed you guys already of course :)
[08:39] <pitti> Laney: ah, nice! doing some sightseeing, or just hanging out?
[08:39] <Laney> bit of both
[08:39] <Laney> been wandering around the last few days
[08:39] <Laney> seeing the wall and museums and stuff
[08:39] <larsu> ze wall, we call it here
[08:40] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/g-s.png
[08:40] <Laney> CRISP
[08:40] <pitti> Laney: ah, did you go to the museum at Checkpoint Charlie?
[08:43] <seb128> Laney, did you go to ze place for currywurst?
[08:45] <Laney> pitti: We went to see that and an outside exhibition there but didn't go into the museum itself
[08:45] <Laney> there was a bomb disposal going on at the same time which made the roads weirdly quiet, had a strange feel
[08:45] <Laney> and we went to the East Side gallery which was fun to see
[08:46] <Laney> seb128: not yet, although it it on every corner ;-)
[08:46] <Laney> maybe today
[08:46] <seb128> I though larsu said that there was one place
[08:47] <seb128> ze place, owned by an old guy
[08:47] <seb128> who opened whenever he wanted
[08:47] <Laney> yeah this is a bit far out I think
[08:47] <larsu> not that far
[08:48] <Laney> o rly
[08:50] <willcooke> morning all
[08:50] <larsu> morning willcooke. did you get used to the new time? :P
[08:51] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:51] <willcooke> larsu, I'm still struggling :) But babies just refusing to accept it
[08:51] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:51] <larsu> haha
[08:52] <seb128> oh yeah, it's already that day
[08:53]  * seb128 just saw the weekly meeting email
[08:54] <Laney> ok, bye!
[08:54] <Laney> happy meeting day
[08:54] <larsu> bye Laney!
[08:54] <didrocks> see you Laney!
[08:54] <larsu> oh wait. Still around irl
[08:56] <seb128> Laney, enjoy the sun and Berlin!
[09:00] <desrt> seb128: same thought here :)
[09:02] <seb128> desrt, about currywurst? ;-)
[09:03] <desrt> about the tuesday thing
[09:03] <desrt> but now i'm thinking about currywurst :)
[09:03] <seb128> ah
[09:03] <seb128> lol
[09:04]  * desrt wonders if curry&more is open for late breakfast
[09:04] <larsu> konnopke is open now
[09:04] <desrt> that's a bit far
[09:04]  * larsu just looked it up for his guests
[09:05] <larsu> desrt: not really. U8 + 10 min walk
[09:07] <desrt> + 16 to Köln Hbf, plus ICE to berlin, plus S-Bahn to hackermarket to catch the U8
[09:07] <desrt> but really, i suspect it would be more efficient to skip the U8
[09:08] <larsu> in that case, go to alex and get the U2
[09:09] <larsu> you'll be *right there*
[09:19] <willcooke> didrocks, can Ubuntu Make create .desktop files for the user?
[09:25] <didrocks> willcooke: it does already (since the beginning), why?
[09:26] <didrocks> of course, not for command line things like Go
[09:26] <didrocks> but for all ides, it does
[09:26] <willcooke> didrocks, I figured it would do, that's cool. Just talking to Cadsoft, and I want to make sure we could create an icon etc etc
[09:26] <didrocks> we don't create an icon, we target an icon they provide in their tarball
[09:26] <didrocks> and set that to the desktop file
[09:27] <willcooke> "create an icon" == "make an icon appear in the dash when I search for the application name"
[09:27] <willcooke> didrocks, think like a manager ;D
[09:28]  * willcooke goes back to his spreadsheet
[09:29] <didrocks> :p
[09:29] <didrocks> better telling it explicitely than implicitely :)
[09:40] <Trevinho> morning
[09:40] <willcooke> hey Trevinho - happy trails :)
[09:41] <Trevinho> :)
[09:42] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[09:42] <Trevinho> Hi seb128
[09:43] <hikiko> hello Trevinho
[09:43] <hikiko> and willcooke
[09:43] <willcooke> morning hikiko
[09:43] <Trevinho> Uff, xenial doesn't love unityt
[09:45] <seb128> oh? how so?
[09:47] <Trevinho> seb128: there was a libsgc++ issue before (they removed sigc::group and sigc::_1 ...)
[09:48] <Trevinho> seb128: then.... Now it doesn't link for some reason
[09:48] <seb128> :-/
[09:48] <Trevinho> ../../unity-shared/libunity-shared.a(WindowManager.cpp.o): In function `unity::WindowManager::Default()':
[09:48] <Trevinho> /«BUILDDIR»/unity-7.4.0+16.04.20151027/unity-shared/WindowManager.cpp:32: undefined reference to `unity::create_window_manager()'
[09:50] <Trevinho> I fixed the libsgc stuff last night, but linking issue... mhmh weird
[09:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: I completely missed your QA thread yesterday :o
[09:51] <willcooke> Trevinho, it's not too late to get involved :D
[09:52] <willcooke> but I think everything is going ok
[09:52] <willcooke> I will hook up with Laney when he's back next week to talk about gating based on test results
[09:53]  * seb128 grar, meeting in 10 minutes, thanks for email notifications I had totally forgotten
[09:53] <willcooke> :)
[09:53] <willcooke> that reminds me....
[09:53] <willcooke> add a hangout link to the meeting invite
[09:57] <Trevinho> Bah.... compiles fine in my xenial lxc...
[09:59] <willcooke> seb128, popey - be right there, just grabbing tea
[09:59] <seb128> same here, grabbing water
[10:02] <popey> kk
[10:05] <seb128> larsu, didrocks, seems like indicator-sound regressed with the > 100% option, if I activate it the slider/notificaiton don't dynamically update for the new range
[10:05] <seb128> do you get the issue as well?
[10:19] <didrocks> seb128: it does for me, but I didn't update since the release, let me try
[10:20] <didrocks> seb128: ah, the indicator slider I guess
[10:20] <seb128> yeah
[10:20] <seb128> and mouse wheel on it
[10:20] <seb128> keys seem to work
[10:20] <seb128> which suggests u-s-d works
[10:20] <seb128> and notify-osd
[10:20] <didrocks> seb128: indeed, the slider inside the indicator doesn't update, the rest works (including in g-c-c)
[10:23] <seb128> indicator-sound regression I guess :-/
[10:23] <seb128> we need to add that to the test plan
[10:23] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for testing!
[10:27] <didrocks> yw ;)
[10:28] <Trevinho> uff... I can't get the same link error that there's in the PPA..
[10:28] <seb128> Trevinho, you have proposed xenial-enabled?
[10:29] <Trevinho> ehm?
[10:29] <Trevinho> Ah, proposed repo in xenial?
[10:29] <Trevinho> Mh let me see
[10:29] <Trevinho> ops no..
[10:29] <seb128> yeah, that's where most of the transitions are stacked
[10:30] <seb128> so likely why
[10:30] <Trevinho> there's not much new there, though
[10:30] <Trevinho> just new binutils..
[10:31] <seb128> that might be it
[10:31] <Trevinho> yeah, it might be
[10:45] <andyrock> morning all
[10:45] <seb128> hey andyrock
[11:10] <Trevinho> andyrock: we get /«BUILDDIR»/unity-7.4.0+16.04.20151027.1/unity-shared/WindowManager.cpp:32: undefined reference to `unity::create_window_manager()' in xenial
[11:10] <Trevinho> And I can't reproduce that in my LXC... -_-
[11:10] <andyrock> mmm I'm not on xenial
[11:10] <andyrock> I can setup a vm
[11:11] <andyrock> not sure I want to update to xenial now
[11:11] <andyrock> :D
[11:11] <Trevinho> the weird thing is that it works in the LXC..
[11:11] <Trevinho> No, no...
[11:12] <andyrock> is there already an iso
[11:13] <andyrock> or i need to install wily and upgrade?
[11:13] <andyrock> found it
[11:13] <Trevinho> andyrock: also fix that nux branch merge when you can
[11:33] <willcooke> andyrock, good luck today :)
[11:33] <andyrock> thank you :D
[11:36] <greyback> desrt: larsu: hey guys, long time no speaky! Would either of you know if gnome3 intends to do shell-integrated menus on wayland?
[11:42] <desrt> greyback: you mean like the app menu?
[11:42] <desrt> it's already doing that today
[11:42] <greyback> desrt: exactly
[11:42] <desrt> there is a gtk wayland extension protocol for this stuff
[11:42] <desrt> to publish the object paths in question, etc.
[11:43] <greyback> desrt: perfect, what I needed to know, thanks!
[11:47] <andyrock> Trevinho: which branch is not building?
[11:47] <andyrock> just unity trunk?
[11:48] <Trevinho> andyrock: I've fixed it I think
[11:49] <andyrock> you made me install xenial
[11:49] <andyrock> :(
[11:49] <Trevinho> andyrock: you'll need it anyway :)
[11:49] <Trevinho> andyrock: see https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/unity-7.4.0-bump/+merge/275746
[11:49] <Trevinho> also the LauncherController change
[11:51] <andyrock> "+1ed"
[11:51] <andyrock> :D
[11:52] <Trevinho> Nooo fail
[11:52] <Trevinho> but in a test
[11:52] <Trevinho> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/223199369/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.unity_7.4.0%2B16.04.20151027.2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:55]  * Trevinho leaves... Has to fly to Stockholm...
[11:55] <willcooke> cya Trevinho
[11:55] <willcooke> have a great trip
[11:55] <Trevinho> ta
[12:00] <hikiko> good trip Trevinho :)
[12:56] <willcooke> Trevinho, is this just waiting on an approval?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1508357
[12:56] <seb128> willcooke, it's fix commited, has been merged in the vcs, it's just waiting for an upload for gtk
[12:57] <seb128> willcooke, do you want to see it landing sooner? we can do an upload only for that if needed
[12:57] <willcooke> seb128, got it, thanks
[12:57]  * willcooke updates the bug
[12:58] <seb128> we should perhaps SRU that one to wily
[12:58] <willcooke> yes please
[12:59] <willcooke> I think we originally said we would 0 day SRU it
[13:00] <seb128> k
[13:06] <Sweet5hark> seb128: I just uploaded ubuntu3/wily and ubuntu4/xenial. ubuntu4 does disable the stuff we didnt want to MIR. ubuntu4 is currently building at https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging/+packages
[13:07] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great, thanks. Do you want to wait for that build to be done before uploading to the archive?
[13:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ubuntu3/wily should be good for SRU though.  http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.2/libreoffice-l10n_5.0.2-0ubuntu3_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.2/libreoffice_5.0.2-0ubuntu3_source.changes
[13:08] <Sweet5hark> for ubuntu4, I'd wait yeah.
[13:08] <seb128> k
[13:08] <seb128> thanks
[15:21] <seb128> hum, why is google calendar not telling you what changed in calendar change emails?!
[15:21] <seb128> Desktop Team Weekly Meeting event modified
[15:21] <seb128> thanks a lot google but how/what?
[15:21]  * larsu is confused as well and decided to ignore
[15:21] <larsu> who is google to tell ME when THE MEETING is
[15:22] <seb128> I wonder if that's dst and 1 hour shift
[15:24] <larsu> probably
[15:25] <willcooke> wut
[15:25] <willcooke> ondrraaaaaaaaaaa
[15:25]  * willcooke ignores it as well
[15:25] <willcooke> probably just a typo
[15:25] <larsu> wut = anger in german
[15:25] <willcooke> ha
[15:26] <Sweet5hark> hmmmm
[15:26] <seb128> who is ondra btw?
[15:26] <seb128> and why is he changing our calendar?
[15:26] <Sweet5hark> my dns resolution just fubared badly and I updated to wily today -- never happened before.
[15:26] <willcooke> He works in phonedations, and I /think/ he clicked on the entry in the UES team calendar
[15:27] <willcooke> lots of people out today
[15:28] <seb128> oh?
[15:28] <seb128> I though it was Laney only
[15:28]  * larsu knows where Laney is
[15:28] <larsu> actually I don't - other than "somewhere in Berlin"
[15:28] <willcooke> we've got a combination of holiday, exams, travel, other general appointments
[15:29] <seb128> oh ok, that was not in the monday news
[15:29]  * seb128 is curious now
[15:30] <willcooke> yeah, these are things which happened after the Monday news email got sent
[15:30] <seb128> k k
[15:30] <larsu> clearly we need Tuesday news as well
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 27 15:30:40 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <qengho> Aiee!
[15:30] <willcooke> larsu, Hourly news!
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock (out), attente, desrt,  dgadomski (out), didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney (hols), larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <didrocks> yep!
[15:31] <larsu> on. the. minute.
[15:31] <larsu> \o
[15:31] <willcooke> We need some dramatic music
[15:31] <larsu> 𝅘𝅥
[15:31] <qengho> http://sandbox.chad.org/shock-horror-three-note-sting-ringtone.mp3
[15:31] <FJKong> 好
[15:31] <larsu> oh, ubuntu mono doesn't have this. shame.
[15:31] <attente> hey hey
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <willcooke> * Reviews for Marco's branches
[15:32] <willcooke> * Helping out with SRU (updating bugs, etc.)
[15:32] <willcooke> * Try to figure out what's going on with GtkSettings and unity (if we
[15:32] <willcooke> restart u-d-s we no longer get signals)
[15:32] <willcooke> * Keep working on reboot dialog branch (I spent just a couple of hours
[15:32] <willcooke> on it because of the other things to do)
[15:32] <willcooke> * Help fixing some unstable tests we had on compiz (together with Marco)
[15:32] <willcooke> * Upgrading to Wily (and fixing all the problems :D )
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:33] <attente> short week due to swap days
[15:33] <attente> uploaded more revisions to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579
[15:33] <attente> refreshed u-s-d java keyboard shortcuts ppa
[15:33] <attente> currently debugging gtk touch events on the device
[15:33] <attente> (eof)
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <seb128> no desrt it seems
[15:35] <willcooke> she was here earlier, clock changes have won
[15:35] <larsu> should be around
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <willcooke> * prepared a debdiff for wily, vivid and trusty fixing bug #1337873
[15:36] <willcooke> * analysing polkit communicating pam_vas - I was not able to find any documentation about enabling debug messages there, found out that I need to use env variables (G_DEBUG_MESSAGES=all for polkitd and POLKIT_DEBUG for polkit agents). Going to document it somewhere if it isn't already.
[15:36] <willcooke> * I would appreciate letting me know if anybody noticed behaviour described in bug #1509369
[15:36] <willcooke> * I'm going to have a closer look at bug #1308152, although it's expired I've heard a user complaining about something very similar. Need to confirm whether it's the same bug.
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:36] <didrocks> ubuntu-make:
[15:36] <didrocks> - continued and finished (hopefully) work to make the tests way more reliable, look at all this green: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/udtc-trusty-tests/ \o/ (the yellow 4 failures over 30*2*700 tests are network (client or server) issues).
[15:36] <didrocks> - updated python-pexpect to take a dimension parameter helping in the stability in the udtc ppa. Didn't upload to xenial yet as we need to figure out the python2 support (some functions only compile on python3).
[15:36] <didrocks> - final review and merged oijazsh's work on relocating by default paths to .local/share/umake instead of tools/.
[15:36] <didrocks> - continued reviewing PR (force and back) for netbeans support.
[15:36] <didrocks> - add a --version + some automation on autobumping to newer numbering. Support as well when running from git master via sha and dirty tags.
[15:36] <didrocks> - bug management
[15:36] <didrocks> misc:
[15:36] <didrocks> - did quite a lot of iso testing for release, debugging u-s-d crash, raised some bugs.
[15:36] <didrocks> .
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:36] <didrocks> (4 days week btw, was swapping)
[15:37] <willcooke> I have spoken to legal and have got the paper work and have since spoken to Cadsoft and Fritzing, will keep you posted
[15:37] <didrocks> thx!
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> only one line :
[15:37] <FJKong> continue work on lib apng, for sogou IM new feature: support animate skin
[15:37] <FJKong> in progress..
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:38] <willcooke> FJKong, I still haven't been back in to London to visit the hotel, I will see if someone in the office can do me a favour and pop over there!
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <FJKong> :p
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko-lpt
[15:39] <willcooke> I had a few days off these week, but so far: I am trying to figure out
[15:39] <willcooke> which of the branches that Marco showed me at the sprint causes the
[15:39] <willcooke> background update issues on Unity and blocks me with the ezoom
[15:39] <willcooke> development. Also, I am reading the unity code to find the best way to
[15:39] <willcooke> implement the generic shadows we discussed at the sprint +I started a
[15:39] <willcooke> small program where I can load my shaders in order to test the visual
[15:39] <willcooke> part of the algorithm in the meantime. Apart from that I've done some
[15:39] <willcooke> minor fixes on nux and unity (mostly fixed syntax disamb. problems and
[15:39] <willcooke> deprecated calls in tests to get rid of compiler warnings). EOF :
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:40] <larsu> hey
[15:40] <larsu> - blind patching unity-settings-daemon signal disconnection
[15:40] <larsu> - fix taking screenhots on hidpi (upstream)
[15:40] <larsu> - track down the dbus log spam when i-messages and accountsservice talk to each other
[15:40] <larsu> - probably some other minor stuff I can't remember :/
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[15:40] <willcooke> :) thanks larsu
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:41] <qengho> - Adding autopkgtests, especially for Chromium translations changeover.
[15:41] <qengho> - Debugging same translations change.
[15:41] <qengho> - Tracking down a bug with default-browser setting. Varies by environment of course.
[15:41] <qengho> - Will release Cr 45 once those are worked out.
[15:41] <qengho> - Current laptop just broke! Shopping for new laptop. I know nothing about hardware any more. I like old Thinkpads. Help?
[15:41] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> oh noez
[15:41] <willcooke> Someone had a new TP at the sprint, right?
[15:42] <willcooke> qengho, poke popey - he knows about these sorts of things
[15:42] <qengho> ack
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:42] <seb128> • iso testing
[15:42] <seb128> • updated libmtp's apport hook so it works
[15:42] <seb128> • looked at u-s-d segfault in ubiquity mode, provided debug info and tested/landed fix from Lars
[15:42] <seb128> • fixed some other unity-settings-daemon issues (segfault on xsettings unload, warnings)
[15:42] <seb128> • reported upstream file-roller translation bug
[15:42] <seb128> • xenial fun, lot of merges&updates, spent some time refreshing the versions script info (new components which didn't have upstream details)
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[15:42] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:42] <seb128> (help on merges and GNOME updates would be welcome)
[15:42] <seb128> (seems not a lot of us are working on that atm)
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:43] <willcooke> please help out if you can folks ^^^
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:44] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - LibreOffice Hackfest
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - more code review and mentoring
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - uploaded 1:5.0.2-0ubuntu3/wily and 1:5.0.2-0ubuntu4/xenial
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> -- latter disables coinmp/collada/gltf as we dont what to MIR those as per sprint
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - marketing coordination/events planning
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - upgrade to wily
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - prepared pbuilders/jenkins jobs for xenial
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:44] <willcooke> * Continued orca gsettings backend work, hope to have something for users to test by next week.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Preparing merges/updates for Xenial, looking to update the a11y stack to the latest stable, and also considering putting in Pulse 7, although there may be a 7.1 coming out soon with some key fixes, so may wait.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Helped Debian with packaging work for a11y stack updates.
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:45] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Finished cups-browsed functionality to save user-changed option settings on generated print queues, to make the settings permanent when cups-browsed is removing this queues when the remote printer disappears and generating them again when the printer re-appears.
[15:45] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Started working on possibility to define option default settings in the cups-browsed.conf file.
[15:45] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[15:45] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Added possibility to define option default settings in the cups-browsed.conf file.
[15:45] <tkamppeter> - Ubuntu Phone: mpt is back, trying to talk with him.
[15:45] <mpt> o/
[15:45] <tkamppeter> ^^Update
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter  :)
[15:45] <willcooke> wb mpt
[15:45] <tkamppeter> mpt has answered on #ubuntu-design now, too
[15:45] <tkamppeter> all at the same time.
[15:45] <willcooke> :D
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:46] <willcooke> · Trusty SRU proposed (and prepared the whole list of bugs with andyrock)
[15:46] <willcooke> · Unity side of mouse pointer HiDPI scaling support
[15:46] <willcooke> · Gtk+3 patch for rgba tooltips
[15:46] <willcooke> · Close shutdown dialog on lock request (when laptop lid is closed)
[15:46] <willcooke> · Meeting with Kylin guys
[15:46] <willcooke> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Kylin/Meeting/2015/20151022)
[15:46] <willcooke> · Fixed warning in unity-panel-service not properly resetting an Idle
[15:46] <willcooke> · Released Unity 7.3.3
[15:46] <willcooke> · Prepared wily / xenial branches for unity, compiz and bamf
[15:46] <willcooke> · Landing of new unity, compiz and bamf in xenial (unity FTB for
[15:46] <willcooke> libsic++ changes)
[15:46] <willcooke> 
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:46] <willcooke> - Update XMir for overlay PPA
[15:46] <willcooke> - GNOME 3.18 updates for xenial
[15:46] <willcooke> - Simple scan 3.19.1 released
[15:46] <willcooke> - LightDM fixes / merges
[15:46] <willcooke> #toipic desrt
[15:46] <larsu> *toypic
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:47] <desrt> sorry.  net connection here is unreliable and my ssh connection died without me realising it so i was waiting for the meeting ping and it never came :)
[15:47] <desrt> - working on some hardware-assisted bounds-checked arithmetic helpers for glib
[15:47] <desrt> - adding support to GBytes for ranged-checked memory accesses
[15:47] <desrt> - fending off bug backlog
[15:47] <desrt> eof
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:47] <willcooke> I'm off tomorrow and Friday and Monday
[15:47] <willcooke> \o/
[15:47] <desrt> lol.  i thought we hired a newbie called AOB and i missed the memo.
[15:48] <desrt> willcooke: any particular reason?
[15:48] <larsu> http://fun.familyeducation.com/images/Mr_Potato_Head_toy_H.jpg
[15:48] <willcooke> desrt, holiday
[15:48] <desrt> larsu: the new guy?
[15:48] <larsu> desrt: toipic
[15:48] <larsu> actually the first result for toypic
[15:48] <desrt> ouch.
[15:49] <desrt> you responded to willcooke's request by toipic'ing me
[15:49] <desrt> ...
[15:49] <seb128> thanks everyone
[15:49] <seb128> willcooke, enjoy the days off work!
[15:49] <willcooke> any more for any more
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks seb128  :)
[15:49] <attente> what's a "hardware-assisted bounds-checked arithmetic helper?"
[15:49]  * desrt 's got nothin'
[15:49] <didrocks> thanks
[15:49] <desrt> attente: oh... not as fancy as it sounds
[15:49] <larsu> attente: it's in glib!
[15:50] <desrt> basically just using the hardware flags field to detect the overflow case
[15:50] <desrt> since this bit gets set if int math overflows, but it's not possible to check it from C
[15:50] <desrt> clang has had some intrinsics for this for a while, and GCC5 added them too
[15:50] <attente> oh cool
[15:51] <willcooke> oki, ending meeting, please carry on though
[15:51] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 27 15:51:10 2015 UTC.
[15:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-10-27-15.30.moin.txt
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:51] <desrt> attente: basically got tired of open-coding that 100 times every time we wrote some new file format parser
[15:51] <desrt> and trying to make sure we did it right
[15:52] <attente> yeah, makes sense
[15:52] <desrt> the conceptual logic for how those instructions work is nice
[15:52] <desrt> it casts both values to an infinite precision signed integer space, does the operation and stores the value back to the destination
[15:53] <desrt> it then returns whether the stored value is equal to the infinite-precision value or not
[15:56] <desrt> random aside: anyone have experience getting pulse working in a chroot?  the interweb suggest that bindmounting the system bus socket is enough but it seems not to do the trick here
[15:58] <willcooke> desrt, this might help:  https://www.stgraber.org/2014/02/09/lxc-1-0-gui-in-containers/
[15:58] <didrocks> I was going to direct you to stgraber directly :)
[15:58] <desrt> hmm.  this looks handy :)
[15:59] <willcooke> :)
[15:59] <willcooke> I came across it just the other day
[15:59] <desrt> i'm trying to containerise all of my non-free stuff
[15:59] <desrt> ...like hangouts
[16:00] <willcooke> oh, cool
[16:00] <willcooke> thats a nice idea
[16:22] <sethj> this old bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1040158) looks like it was superseded by this newer one https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1445595. Close as duplicate?
[16:23] <sethj> or invalid?
[16:25] <willcooke> sethj, can you mark #1040158 as being a dupe of #1445595 (even though it's newer it has more info)
[16:26] <sethj> willcooke, yup! That's what we'd do on Ask Ubuntu, but I didn't know if the same applied here ;D
[16:26] <sethj> and done.
[16:26] <willcooke> thanks sethj
[16:27] <sethj> that actually seems like it would be a fun bug to try and fix..
[16:29] <willcooke> Trevinho has done some digging there, so if you're interested in taking a look he can probably assist, but he's travelling atm
[16:33] <sethj> willcooke, cool! I'm not at all familiar with the Unity source, but you have to start somewhere ;)
[16:34] <willcooke> :)
[17:09] <andyrock> back home \o/
[17:10] <willcooke> andyrock, how did you get on?
[17:10] <andyrock> not sure, pretty bad I think :D
[17:10] <andyrock> but enough to pass
[17:10] <willcooke> heh
[17:10] <willcooke> yay!
[17:10]  * andyrock does not like statistic
[17:57] <popey> Sweet5hark, yo! I have created two PPAs, debug and stable so that i can keep stable and debug builds of LO around for testing docviewer...
[17:57] <popey> Sweet5hark, you mentioned maybe having a higher point release than 5.0.1 for me at some point of the minimal build.. ? :)
[17:59] <Sweet5hark> popey: well, yeah -- could give you a 5.0.2 still then again 5.0.3.2 (which is likely final) is already tagged upstream
[18:02] <didrocks> have a good evening!
[18:04] <popey> Sweet5hark, whatever is newer than 5.01 :)
[18:04] <popey> doesn't seem like any point doing 5.0.2 really
[18:04] <willcooke> attente, did I give you a usb -> hdmi connector?
[18:04] <willcooke> for a nexus 4
[18:05] <attente> willcooke: yes, do you need it back?
[18:06] <willcooke> attente, nah, I can get a new one.  I've been looking for it in my "Big Box Of Bits" for 10 mins before I realised :)
[18:06] <Sweet5hark> popey: yep, will do 5.0.3 and tweak my jenkins to have a job for it.
[18:06] <attente> ah, ok
[18:06] <popey> Sweet5hark, nice one, thanks
[18:06] <popey> willcooke, I got an HDMI to VGA adapter today, means I can use projectors for giving talks where they have no HDMI :D
[18:06] <popey> phone -> hdmi slimport -> vga -> screen
[18:06] <popey> \o/
[18:07] <willcooke> yilkes!
[18:07] <willcooke> Good luck with that, I fear you'll need it ;)
[18:07] <popey> It works
[18:07] <willcooke> wow!
[18:07] <popey> http://imgur.com/FESuel1
[18:07] <popey> via VGA
[18:08] <willcooke> awesome!!
[18:19] <qengho> popey: What's the awesomest laptop these days? Optimize for not huge, and good wifi.
[18:20] <popey> Top of my list is Thinkpad X250 and the new Dell XPS 13 broadwell..
[18:20] <qengho> popey: Thank you!
[18:23] <Sweet5hark> popey, qengho: what about a lenovo T450s in that comparison?
[18:23] <popey> That's also on the list.
[18:23] <popey> I think cjwatson has one of them.
[18:24] <popey> https://twitter.com/colmmacuait/status/647726243115307008
[18:24] <popey> confirmed :)
[18:25] <Sweet5hark> popey: thanks for that intel on cjwatson ;)
[18:25] <popey> heh
[18:26] <Sweet5hark> popey, qengho: T450s with i7 and 20GB RAM would be my choice, if I had to buy a new workhorse tomorrow.
[18:27] <popey> Says the guy who builds libreoffice locally for a living ;)
[18:27] <sarnold> hehe :)
[18:28] <qengho> I also crunch big projects. :\
[18:28] <Sweet5hark> hrhr.
[18:29]  * Sweet5hark uses notebooks as dual-use weapons: to compile and to heat the room
[18:29] <Sweet5hark> winter is coming.
[18:29] <popey> Laundry won't dry itself! Come here make -j 12 !
[18:32] <Sweet5hark> popey: careful, OOM killer coming your way: https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/blob/master/RepositoryModule_host.mk#L166
[18:33] <popey> ugh
[18:47] <willcooke> alrighty, bugging out.  G'night all - see you on Thursday
[18:53] <Laney> you people need to use the iceland trick if meeting times are confusing you :-)
[18:53]  * Laney got a sms reminder at the right time
[18:53] <Laney> and then LAUGHED at you ALL
[19:31] <mdeslaur> who owns the gdrive scope?
[19:31] <mdeslaur> seb128: do you know?
[19:33] <davidcalle_afk> mdeslaur, Unity API team? I don't wish them to inherit old scopes but afaik, it's unmaintained
[19:35] <mdeslaur> davidcalle: hrm, thanks
[19:38] <sarnold> davidcalle: is there a list of scopes that -are- maintained?
[19:39] <davidcalle> sarnold, I don't know, willcooke might have a better answer to this
[19:40] <sarnold> dang, wish I'd though to ask an hour ago :) heh, thanks
[19:41] <davidcalle> (and the API team as well, some main scopes (eg files, apps) are actively maintained by them)
[19:53] <tyhicks> davidcalle: you're not maintaining any of the scopes?
[19:59] <mhall119> seb128: what sessions can the desktop team run for UOS?
[20:00] <mhall119> bregma: can you do a session about libertine/puritine?
[20:33] <bregma> mhall119, I don't think Libertine is really in a state where it's ready for public consumption, and Puritine is a really limited solution to a specific demand
[20:34] <bregma> maybe I could do a session on what we want Libertine to be when it grows up, but I don't want to build expectations too early
[20:35] <mhall119> bregma: there's a lot of questions about if/how we're going to support desktop apps people are currently using in the confined/converged future of Ubuntu, so a sessoin that just talks about the challenges and plans would be nice to have
[20:35] <bregma> mmm, I suppose
[20:48] <Noskcaj> Is it ok to add a gnupg2 build-dep to seahorse when merging? It builds without it in debian, but not in ubuntu. https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/seahorse/3.18/+merge/275917
[21:08] <qengho> Noskcaj: that's because gnupg is part of the base devel package set, I guess, and Ubuntu wishes to use gnupg2 instead?
[21:08] <Noskcaj> makes sense
[21:09] <sarnold> it might be worth poking the debian folks if they want gnupg2 too, iirc gnupg2 is required for ecc keys..
[21:10] <qengho> Noskcaj: I like the idea of getting Debian to change too. I think it's okay to merge that with 2 now, and letting Debian catch up in their 3.18.0-3 .
[21:11] <qengho> "letting" means asking, filing a bug report, and attaching the patch that does it for them.
[21:14] <Noskcaj> debian already depends on gnupg2, and something else is pulling it in for the buildder there
[21:14] <qengho> All: my broken laptop sensed your suggestions for replacement and started working again, hours later. Thanks. Intimidation works.
[21:15] <qengho> Noskcaj: Hrm, that's weird. Maybe Ubuntu is behind somewhere.  :(
[21:15] <Noskcaj> i'll look into it more when i get back from school today, hopefully someone can sponsor in the meantime
[21:16] <Laney> Pretty sure we would want to move over to gpg2 all the way
[21:16] <Laney> xnox wanted to look into that
[21:23] <Noskcaj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpgme1.0/+changelog seems to be the issue
[21:23] <Noskcaj> for some reason i was think the gpg2 transition got finished when i was still around at the start of wily