[03:57] Good morning [05:46] good morning :) [06:46] good morning [06:47] bonjour didrocks [06:51] bonjour pitti, ça va ? [06:51] didrocks: je vais bien, merci ! [06:51] et toi ? [06:51] good morning desktopers [06:51] hey didrocks pitti [06:52] j'ai me lève à 4h30 à nouveau, mais nous allons dormir tôt [06:52] ça va seb128 ? [06:52] pitti, oui, très bien ! et toi ? tu te lèves tôt :-/ [06:53] re seb128 [06:53] still sick (a little bit more than yesterday…) [06:53] didrocks, :-( [06:55] didrocks: erk -- again!? [06:56] pitti: well, last time, it was a month ago… [06:57] didrocks: yeah, but it lasted for two weeks, no? [06:57] pitti: no, a week. It lasted 2 weeks for larsu :p [06:57] didrocks: get well soon then, and take it easy! *hug* [06:57] didrocks: ah, ok -- ETOOMANYGERMSHERE :( [06:57] no semi-marathon today! [06:57] seb128: already non yesterday :( [06:57] :-( [06:58] none* [07:09] good morning fellow europeans [07:09] ETOOMANYGERMANSHERE [07:10] hey desrt [07:11] hey desrt [07:27] andyrock, Trevinho easy karma: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.fixed-tests-wwarnings/+merge/275801 :D [07:29] EUNRELIABLENETCONNECTION :( [07:30] * desrt just sat here looking at her screen for the past 20 minutes thinking "sure is quiet in here this morning" before realising the connection had dropped === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [07:35] desrt, :-( [07:35] hey hikiko! [07:35] but yeah, it's still a bit quiet at this time of the day [07:35] hi seb128 and desrt :) [07:36] and pitti and didrocks [07:36] hello seb128 didrocks hikiko and pitti :) [07:36] hello world [07:36] \n [07:36] :D [07:51] hey hikiko, hello desrt! how are you? [07:51] my feet are a bit cold, but otherwise pretty good [07:51] hey hikiko [07:54] good pitti you? [07:54] hikiko: I'm great, thanks [08:04] good morning! [08:04] larsu: hi :D [08:04] didrocks: dude I told you to get better yesterday! [08:04] desrt: moring! how goes? [08:05] bad [08:05] * larsu just realized that he can't change brightness on the lock screen [08:05] google keeps talking to me in german [08:05] desrt: oh, sorry to hear. What's up? [08:05] bah [08:05] so i can't do anything useful [08:05] hey larsu, wie gehts? [08:05] larsu: well, EFAIL ;) [08:06] desrt: I'm sure you can figure out where to search even when it's speaking to you in german [08:06] didrocks: ya. Good morning in any case. Hope you get better [08:06] i'm trying to deal with account stuff still [08:06] seb128: hi! gut, danke. Had some beers with Laney and Rosie last night [08:06] oh, nice [08:06] how are you? [08:06] what are they doing from their holidays? [08:07] I'm good, thanks ;-) [08:07] being tourists in Berlin :) [08:07] seb128: do you have a hidpi screen? [08:07] I guess you still didn't get that new laptop... [08:07] * larsu needs a tester [08:08] no I don't [08:08] what's the issue? [08:08] screenshots on hidpi [08:08] were blurry [08:09] fixed it yesterday [08:09] patch accepted upstream, but I want someone to test [08:09] (who is not me) [08:10] unsure who in the team has one [08:10] iain :) [08:10] Laney but he's wandering in Berlin [08:10] he's actually sleeping in the next room [08:10] larsu: thanks! I hope that as well :) [08:10] borrow his laptop! [08:11] I can put mine into hidpi and test myself [08:11] I just want another set of eyes [08:11] * larsu should wake him [08:11] this. is. important. [08:11] :-) [08:15] larsu: hi to laney and rosie :) [08:16] desrt: good timing. Half of them are already awake [08:29] larsu, do you remember why we decided to hide the action/view menus in evince under unity? we add a menubar for hud/unity-panel/consistency purpose but we could keep the in-win UI unchanged no? [08:30] hi friends!!!!! [08:30] seb128: we did? Can't remember... [08:30] Laney: good morning! [08:30] hey Laney! how is Berlin? [08:30] the evidence suggests that it is always sunny [08:30] g'morning all [08:30] :-) [08:30] hey Sweet5hark [08:30] german wakes up [08:30] yesterday we napped by the river [08:31] hey Laney [08:31] IN OCTOBER [08:31] WHAT IS THIS [08:31] haha [08:31] hey pitti! [08:31] how's it going? [08:31] larsu, k, so no objection if I revert that I guess? ;-) [08:31] seb128: nope [08:32] hi Sweet5hark [08:32] Laney: quite well, thanks! doing nothing else but juggling autopkgtests on all fronts (lcy01 demise, test regresssions, britney handholding, ppc64el cloud setup, etc. :) ) [08:32] Laney: how are you? [08:32] larsu, I was looking at why evince prints some warning on start, it's because the code tries to use those widgets that we put in if (!ev_application_has_traditional_menus (EV_APP)) [08:32] seb128: oh?! New evince version and you applied the patch to that? [08:33] larsu, right, but the warning were already there in wily [08:33] werid [08:33] try [08:33] start evince [08:33] ya [08:33] (I assume there that you are still on wily ;-) [08:34] yeah I see this. can have a look [08:35] larsu, no, it's fine, I just did the change [08:35] ah cool, thanks :) [08:37] to make you feel more comfortable during the next sprint: https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/WBkkaztzHRh [08:38] pitti: good thanks, I'm on hoiliday in berlin atm & staying in larsu's place [08:38] just came on to be a helpful soul and test a patch [08:38] and because I missed you guys already of course :) [08:39] Laney: ah, nice! doing some sightseeing, or just hanging out? [08:39] bit of both [08:39] been wandering around the last few days [08:39] seeing the wall and museums and stuff [08:39] ze wall, we call it here [08:40] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/g-s.png [08:40] CRISP [08:40] Laney: ah, did you go to the museum at Checkpoint Charlie? [08:43] Laney, did you go to ze place for currywurst? [08:45] pitti: We went to see that and an outside exhibition there but didn't go into the museum itself [08:45] there was a bomb disposal going on at the same time which made the roads weirdly quiet, had a strange feel [08:45] and we went to the East Side gallery which was fun to see [08:46] seb128: not yet, although it it on every corner ;-) [08:46] maybe today [08:46] I though larsu said that there was one place [08:47] ze place, owned by an old guy [08:47] who opened whenever he wanted [08:47] yeah this is a bit far out I think [08:47] not that far [08:48] o rly [08:50] morning all [08:50] morning willcooke. did you get used to the new time? :P [08:51] hey willcooke [08:51] larsu, I'm still struggling :) But babies just refusing to accept it [08:51] hey willcooke [08:51] haha [08:52] oh yeah, it's already that day [08:53] * seb128 just saw the weekly meeting email [08:54] ok, bye! [08:54] happy meeting day [08:54] bye Laney! [08:54] see you Laney! [08:54] oh wait. Still around irl [08:56] Laney, enjoy the sun and Berlin! [09:00] seb128: same thought here :) [09:02] desrt, about currywurst? ;-) [09:03] about the tuesday thing [09:03] but now i'm thinking about currywurst :) [09:03] ah [09:03] lol [09:04] * desrt wonders if curry&more is open for late breakfast [09:04] konnopke is open now [09:04] that's a bit far [09:04] * larsu just looked it up for his guests [09:05] desrt: not really. U8 + 10 min walk [09:07] + 16 to Köln Hbf, plus ICE to berlin, plus S-Bahn to hackermarket to catch the U8 [09:07] but really, i suspect it would be more efficient to skip the U8 [09:08] in that case, go to alex and get the U2 [09:09] you'll be *right there* [09:19] didrocks, can Ubuntu Make create .desktop files for the user? [09:25] willcooke: it does already (since the beginning), why? [09:26] of course, not for command line things like Go [09:26] but for all ides, it does [09:26] didrocks, I figured it would do, that's cool. Just talking to Cadsoft, and I want to make sure we could create an icon etc etc [09:26] we don't create an icon, we target an icon they provide in their tarball [09:26] and set that to the desktop file [09:27] "create an icon" == "make an icon appear in the dash when I search for the application name" [09:27] didrocks, think like a manager ;D [09:28] * willcooke goes back to his spreadsheet [09:29] :p [09:29] better telling it explicitely than implicitely :) [09:40] morning [09:40] hey Trevinho - happy trails :) [09:41] :) [09:42] hey Trevinho! [09:42] Hi seb128 [09:43] hello Trevinho [09:43] and willcooke [09:43] morning hikiko [09:43] Uff, xenial doesn't love unityt [09:45] oh? how so? [09:47] seb128: there was a libsgc++ issue before (they removed sigc::group and sigc::_1 ...) [09:48] seb128: then.... Now it doesn't link for some reason [09:48] :-/ [09:48] ../../unity-shared/libunity-shared.a(WindowManager.cpp.o): In function `unity::WindowManager::Default()': [09:48] /«BUILDDIR»/unity-7.4.0+16.04.20151027/unity-shared/WindowManager.cpp:32: undefined reference to `unity::create_window_manager()' [09:50] I fixed the libsgc stuff last night, but linking issue... mhmh weird [09:51] willcooke: I completely missed your QA thread yesterday :o [09:51] Trevinho, it's not too late to get involved :D [09:52] but I think everything is going ok [09:52] I will hook up with Laney when he's back next week to talk about gating based on test results [09:53] * seb128 grar, meeting in 10 minutes, thanks for email notifications I had totally forgotten [09:53] :) [09:53] that reminds me.... [09:53] add a hangout link to the meeting invite [09:57] Bah.... compiles fine in my xenial lxc... [09:59] seb128, popey - be right there, just grabbing tea [09:59] same here, grabbing water [10:02] kk [10:05] larsu, didrocks, seems like indicator-sound regressed with the > 100% option, if I activate it the slider/notificaiton don't dynamically update for the new range [10:05] do you get the issue as well? [10:19] seb128: it does for me, but I didn't update since the release, let me try [10:20] seb128: ah, the indicator slider I guess [10:20] yeah [10:20] and mouse wheel on it [10:20] keys seem to work [10:20] which suggests u-s-d works [10:20] and notify-osd [10:20] seb128: indeed, the slider inside the indicator doesn't update, the rest works (including in g-c-c) [10:23] indicator-sound regression I guess :-/ [10:23] we need to add that to the test plan [10:23] didrocks, thanks for testing! [10:27] yw ;) [10:28] uff... I can't get the same link error that there's in the PPA.. [10:28] Trevinho, you have proposed xenial-enabled? [10:29] ehm? [10:29] Ah, proposed repo in xenial? [10:29] Mh let me see [10:29] ops no.. [10:29] yeah, that's where most of the transitions are stacked [10:30] so likely why [10:30] there's not much new there, though [10:30] just new binutils.. [10:31] that might be it [10:31] yeah, it might be [10:45] morning all [10:45] hey andyrock [11:10] andyrock: we get /«BUILDDIR»/unity-7.4.0+16.04.20151027.1/unity-shared/WindowManager.cpp:32: undefined reference to `unity::create_window_manager()' in xenial [11:10] And I can't reproduce that in my LXC... -_- [11:10] mmm I'm not on xenial [11:10] I can setup a vm [11:11] not sure I want to update to xenial now [11:11] :D [11:11] the weird thing is that it works in the LXC.. [11:11] No, no... [11:12] is there already an iso [11:13] or i need to install wily and upgrade? [11:13] found it [11:13] andyrock: also fix that nux branch merge when you can [11:33] andyrock, good luck today :) [11:33] thank you :D [11:36] desrt: larsu: hey guys, long time no speaky! Would either of you know if gnome3 intends to do shell-integrated menus on wayland? [11:42] greyback: you mean like the app menu? [11:42] it's already doing that today [11:42] desrt: exactly [11:42] there is a gtk wayland extension protocol for this stuff [11:42] to publish the object paths in question, etc. [11:43] desrt: perfect, what I needed to know, thanks! [11:47] Trevinho: which branch is not building? [11:47] just unity trunk? [11:48] andyrock: I've fixed it I think [11:49] you made me install xenial [11:49] :( [11:49] andyrock: you'll need it anyway :) [11:49] andyrock: see https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/unity-7.4.0-bump/+merge/275746 [11:49] also the LauncherController change [11:51] "+1ed" [11:51] :D [11:52] Nooo fail [11:52] but in a test [11:52] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/223199369/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.unity_7.4.0%2B16.04.20151027.2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz [11:55] * Trevinho leaves... Has to fly to Stockholm... [11:55] cya Trevinho [11:55] have a great trip [11:55] ta [12:00] good trip Trevinho :) === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [12:56] Trevinho, is this just waiting on an approval? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1508357 [12:56] Launchpad bug 1508357 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Tooltips have a black squares outside of its rounded corners" [Medium,In progress] [12:56] willcooke, it's fix commited, has been merged in the vcs, it's just waiting for an upload for gtk [12:57] willcooke, do you want to see it landing sooner? we can do an upload only for that if needed [12:57] seb128, got it, thanks [12:57] * willcooke updates the bug [12:58] we should perhaps SRU that one to wily [12:58] yes please [12:59] I think we originally said we would 0 day SRU it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:00] k [13:06] seb128: I just uploaded ubuntu3/wily and ubuntu4/xenial. ubuntu4 does disable the stuff we didnt want to MIR. ubuntu4 is currently building at https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging/+packages [13:07] Sweet5hark, great, thanks. Do you want to wait for that build to be done before uploading to the archive? [13:07] seb128: ubuntu3/wily should be good for SRU though. http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.2/libreoffice-l10n_5.0.2-0ubuntu3_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.2/libreoffice_5.0.2-0ubuntu3_source.changes [13:08] for ubuntu4, I'd wait yeah. [13:08] k [13:08] thanks === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:21] hum, why is google calendar not telling you what changed in calendar change emails?! [15:21] Desktop Team Weekly Meeting event modified [15:21] thanks a lot google but how/what? [15:21] * larsu is confused as well and decided to ignore [15:21] who is google to tell ME when THE MEETING is [15:22] I wonder if that's dst and 1 hour shift [15:24] probably [15:25] wut [15:25] ondrraaaaaaaaaaa [15:25] * willcooke ignores it as well [15:25] probably just a typo [15:25] wut = anger in german [15:25] ha [15:26] hmmmm [15:26] who is ondra btw? [15:26] and why is he changing our calendar? [15:26] my dns resolution just fubared badly and I updated to wily today -- never happened before. [15:26] He works in phonedations, and I /think/ he clicked on the entry in the UES team calendar [15:27] lots of people out today [15:28] oh? [15:28] I though it was Laney only [15:28] * larsu knows where Laney is [15:28] actually I don't - other than "somewhere in Berlin" [15:28] we've got a combination of holiday, exams, travel, other general appointments [15:29] oh ok, that was not in the monday news [15:29] * seb128 is curious now [15:30] yeah, these are things which happened after the Monday news email got sent [15:30] k k [15:30] clearly we need Tuesday news as well [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Oct 27 15:30:40 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: [15:30] Aiee! [15:30] larsu, Hourly news! [15:30] Roll call: andyrock (out), attente, desrt, dgadomski (out), didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney (hols), larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out) [15:31] yep! [15:31] on. the. minute. [15:31] \o [15:31] We need some dramatic music [15:31] 𝅘𝅥 [15:31] http://sandbox.chad.org/shock-horror-three-note-sting-ringtone.mp3 [15:31] 好 [15:31] oh, ubuntu mono doesn't have this. shame. [15:31] hey hey [15:32] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: andyrock [15:32] * Reviews for Marco's branches [15:32] * Helping out with SRU (updating bugs, etc.) [15:32] * Try to figure out what's going on with GtkSettings and unity (if we [15:32] restart u-d-s we no longer get signals) [15:32] * Keep working on reboot dialog branch (I spent just a couple of hours [15:32] on it because of the other things to do) [15:32] * Help fixing some unstable tests we had on compiz (together with Marco) [15:32] * Upgrading to Wily (and fixing all the problems :D ) [15:32] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: attente [15:33] short week due to swap days [15:33] uploaded more revisions to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579 [15:33] Gnome bug 756579 in Widget: GtkMenu "GTK should let GDK position menus" [Normal,New] [15:33] refreshed u-s-d java keyboard shortcuts ppa [15:33] currently debugging gtk touch events on the device [15:33] (eof) [15:33] thanks attente [15:33] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: desrt [15:35] no desrt it seems [15:35] she was here earlier, clock changes have won [15:35] should be around [15:35] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:36] * prepared a debdiff for wily, vivid and trusty fixing bug #1337873 [15:36] * analysing polkit communicating pam_vas - I was not able to find any documentation about enabling debug messages there, found out that I need to use env variables (G_DEBUG_MESSAGES=all for polkitd and POLKIT_DEBUG for polkit agents). Going to document it somewhere if it isn't already. [15:36] * I would appreciate letting me know if anybody noticed behaviour described in bug #1509369 [15:36] * I'm going to have a closer look at bug #1308152, although it's expired I've heard a user complaining about something very similar. Need to confirm whether it's the same bug. [15:36] bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873 [15:36] bug 1509369 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdm runs in vt7 and gnome-shell in vt2 after resuming" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1509369 [15:36] bug 1308152 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cant boot from kernel 3.13.0.24 after upgrade to ubuntu 14.04 LTS but able to boot with Kernel 3.11.0.20" [Low,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308152 [15:36] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: didrocks [15:36] ubuntu-make: [15:36] - continued and finished (hopefully) work to make the tests way more reliable, look at all this green: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/udtc-trusty-tests/ \o/ (the yellow 4 failures over 30*2*700 tests are network (client or server) issues). [15:36] - updated python-pexpect to take a dimension parameter helping in the stability in the udtc ppa. Didn't upload to xenial yet as we need to figure out the python2 support (some functions only compile on python3). [15:36] - final review and merged oijazsh's work on relocating by default paths to .local/share/umake instead of tools/. [15:36] - continued reviewing PR (force and back) for netbeans support. [15:36] - add a --version + some automation on autobumping to newer numbering. Support as well when running from git master via sha and dirty tags. [15:36] - bug management [15:36] misc: [15:36] - did quite a lot of iso testing for release, debugging u-s-d crash, raised some bugs. [15:36] . [15:36] thanks didrocks [15:36] (4 days week btw, was swapping) [15:37] I have spoken to legal and have got the paper work and have since spoken to Cadsoft and Fritzing, will keep you posted [15:37] thx! [15:37] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: FJKong [15:37] only one line : [15:37] continue work on lib apng, for sogou IM new feature: support animate skin [15:37] in progress.. [15:37] eof [15:37] thanks FJKong [15:38] FJKong, I still haven't been back in to London to visit the hotel, I will see if someone in the office can do me a favour and pop over there! [15:38] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: happyaron [15:38] :p [15:39] #topic hikiko-lpt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: hikiko-lpt [15:39] I had a few days off these week, but so far: I am trying to figure out [15:39] which of the branches that Marco showed me at the sprint causes the [15:39] background update issues on Unity and blocks me with the ezoom [15:39] development. Also, I am reading the unity code to find the best way to [15:39] implement the generic shadows we discussed at the sprint +I started a [15:39] small program where I can load my shaders in order to test the visual [15:39] part of the algorithm in the meantime. Apart from that I've done some [15:39] minor fixes on nux and unity (mostly fixed syntax disamb. problems and [15:39] deprecated calls in tests to get rid of compiler warnings). EOF : [15:39] #topic larsu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: larsu [15:40] hey [15:40] - blind patching unity-settings-daemon signal disconnection [15:40] - fix taking screenhots on hidpi (upstream) [15:40] - track down the dbus log spam when i-messages and accountsservice talk to each other [15:40] - probably some other minor stuff I can't remember :/ [15:40] [15:40] :) thanks larsu [15:40] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: qengho [15:41] - Adding autopkgtests, especially for Chromium translations changeover. [15:41] - Debugging same translations change. [15:41] - Tracking down a bug with default-browser setting. Varies by environment of course. [15:41] - Will release Cr 45 once those are worked out. [15:41] - Current laptop just broke! Shopping for new laptop. I know nothing about hardware any more. I like old Thinkpads. Help? [15:41] EOF [15:41] oh noez [15:41] Someone had a new TP at the sprint, right? [15:42] qengho, poke popey - he knows about these sorts of things [15:42] ack [15:42] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: seb128 [15:42] • iso testing [15:42] • updated libmtp's apport hook so it works [15:42] • looked at u-s-d segfault in ubiquity mode, provided debug info and tested/landed fix from Lars [15:42] • fixed some other unity-settings-daemon issues (segfault on xsettings unload, warnings) [15:42] • reported upstream file-roller translation bug [15:42] • xenial fun, lot of merges&updates, spent some time refreshing the versions script info (new components which didn't have upstream details) [15:42] [15:42] thanks seb128 [15:42] (help on merges and GNOME updates would be welcome) [15:42] (seems not a lot of us are working on that atm) [15:43] thanks seb128 [15:43] please help out if you can folks ^^^ [15:44] #topic Sweet5hark [15:44] thanks ;-) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: Sweet5hark [15:44] - LibreOffice Hackfest [15:44] - more code review and mentoring [15:44] - uploaded 1:5.0.2-0ubuntu3/wily and 1:5.0.2-0ubuntu4/xenial [15:44] -- latter disables coinmp/collada/gltf as we dont what to MIR those as per sprint [15:44] - marketing coordination/events planning [15:44] - upgrade to wily [15:44] - prepared pbuilders/jenkins jobs for xenial [15:44] EOF [15:44] thanks Sweet5hark [15:44] #topic TheMuso === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: TheMuso [15:44] * Continued orca gsettings backend work, hope to have something for users to test by next week. [15:44] * Preparing merges/updates for Xenial, looking to update the a11y stack to the latest stable, and also considering putting in Pulse 7, although there may be a 7.1 coming out soon with some key fixes, so may wait. [15:44] * Helped Debian with packaging work for a11y stack updates. [15:44] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: tkamppeter [15:45] - cups-filters: Finished cups-browsed functionality to save user-changed option settings on generated print queues, to make the settings permanent when cups-browsed is removing this queues when the remote printer disappears and generating them again when the printer re-appears. [15:45] - cups-filters: Started working on possibility to define option default settings in the cups-browsed.conf file. [15:45] - Bugs. [15:45] - cups-filters: Added possibility to define option default settings in the cups-browsed.conf file. [15:45] - Ubuntu Phone: mpt is back, trying to talk with him. [15:45] o/ [15:45] ^^Update [15:45] thanks tkamppeter :) [15:45] wb mpt [15:45] mpt has answered on #ubuntu-design now, too [15:45] all at the same time. [15:45] :D [15:46] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: Trevinho [15:46] · Trusty SRU proposed (and prepared the whole list of bugs with andyrock) [15:46] · Unity side of mouse pointer HiDPI scaling support [15:46] · Gtk+3 patch for rgba tooltips [15:46] · Close shutdown dialog on lock request (when laptop lid is closed) [15:46] · Meeting with Kylin guys [15:46] (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Kylin/Meeting/2015/20151022) [15:46] · Fixed warning in unity-panel-service not properly resetting an Idle [15:46] · Released Unity 7.3.3 [15:46] · Prepared wily / xenial branches for unity, compiz and bamf [15:46] · Landing of new unity, compiz and bamf in xenial (unity FTB for [15:46] libsic++ changes) [15:46]  [15:46] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: robert_ancell [15:46] - Update XMir for overlay PPA [15:46] - GNOME 3.18 updates for xenial [15:46] - Simple scan 3.19.1 released [15:46] - LightDM fixes / merges [15:46] #toipic desrt [15:46] *toypic [15:47] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: desrt [15:47] sorry. net connection here is unreliable and my ssh connection died without me realising it so i was waiting for the meeting ping and it never came :) [15:47] - working on some hardware-assisted bounds-checked arithmetic helpers for glib [15:47] - adding support to GBytes for ranged-checked memory accesses [15:47] - fending off bug backlog [15:47] eof [15:47] thanks desrt [15:47] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-27 | Current topic: AOB [15:47] I'm off tomorrow and Friday and Monday [15:47] \o/ [15:47] lol. i thought we hired a newbie called AOB and i missed the memo. [15:48] willcooke: any particular reason? [15:48] http://fun.familyeducation.com/images/Mr_Potato_Head_toy_H.jpg [15:48] desrt, holiday [15:48] larsu: the new guy? [15:48] desrt: toipic [15:48] actually the first result for toypic [15:48] ouch. [15:49] you responded to willcooke's request by toipic'ing me [15:49] ... [15:49] thanks everyone [15:49] willcooke, enjoy the days off work! [15:49] any more for any more [15:49] thanks seb128 :) [15:49] what's a "hardware-assisted bounds-checked arithmetic helper?" [15:49] * desrt 's got nothin' [15:49] thanks [15:49] attente: oh... not as fancy as it sounds [15:49] attente: it's in glib! [15:50] basically just using the hardware flags field to detect the overflow case [15:50] since this bit gets set if int math overflows, but it's not possible to check it from C [15:50] clang has had some intrinsics for this for a while, and GCC5 added them too [15:50] oh cool [15:51] oki, ending meeting, please carry on though [15:51] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg [15:51] Meeting ended Tue Oct 27 15:51:10 2015 UTC. [15:51] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-10-27-15.30.moin.txt [15:51] thanks all [15:51] attente: basically got tired of open-coding that 100 times every time we wrote some new file format parser [15:51] and trying to make sure we did it right [15:52] yeah, makes sense [15:52] the conceptual logic for how those instructions work is nice [15:52] it casts both values to an infinite precision signed integer space, does the operation and stores the value back to the destination [15:53] it then returns whether the stored value is equal to the infinite-precision value or not [15:56] random aside: anyone have experience getting pulse working in a chroot? the interweb suggest that bindmounting the system bus socket is enough but it seems not to do the trick here [15:58] desrt, this might help: https://www.stgraber.org/2014/02/09/lxc-1-0-gui-in-containers/ [15:58] I was going to direct you to stgraber directly :) [15:58] hmm. this looks handy :) [15:59] :) [15:59] I came across it just the other day [15:59] i'm trying to containerise all of my non-free stuff [15:59] ...like hangouts [16:00] oh, cool [16:00] thats a nice idea [16:22] this old bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1040158) looks like it was superseded by this newer one https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1445595. Close as duplicate? [16:22] Launchpad bug 1040158 in unity (Ubuntu) "Empty trash from Launcher changes focus to Nautilus" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:22] Launchpad bug 1445595 in unity (Ubuntu) "Empty trash from Launcher results in Nautilus window opening" [High,Triaged] [16:23] or invalid? [16:25] sethj, can you mark #1040158 as being a dupe of #1445595 (even though it's newer it has more info) [16:26] willcooke, yup! That's what we'd do on Ask Ubuntu, but I didn't know if the same applied here ;D [16:26] and done. [16:26] thanks sethj [16:27] that actually seems like it would be a fun bug to try and fix.. [16:29] Trevinho has done some digging there, so if you're interested in taking a look he can probably assist, but he's travelling atm [16:33] willcooke, cool! I'm not at all familiar with the Unity source, but you have to start somewhere ;) [16:34] :) === davidcalle is now known as davidcalle_afk [17:09] back home \o/ [17:10] andyrock, how did you get on? [17:10] not sure, pretty bad I think :D [17:10] but enough to pass [17:10] heh [17:10] yay! [17:10] * andyrock does not like statistic === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [17:57] Sweet5hark, yo! I have created two PPAs, debug and stable so that i can keep stable and debug builds of LO around for testing docviewer... [17:57] Sweet5hark, you mentioned maybe having a higher point release than 5.0.1 for me at some point of the minimal build.. ? :) [17:59] popey: well, yeah -- could give you a 5.0.2 still then again 5.0.3.2 (which is likely final) is already tagged upstream [18:02] have a good evening! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:04] Sweet5hark, whatever is newer than 5.01 :) [18:04] doesn't seem like any point doing 5.0.2 really [18:04] attente, did I give you a usb -> hdmi connector? [18:04] for a nexus 4 [18:05] willcooke: yes, do you need it back? [18:06] attente, nah, I can get a new one. I've been looking for it in my "Big Box Of Bits" for 10 mins before I realised :) [18:06] popey: yep, will do 5.0.3 and tweak my jenkins to have a job for it. [18:06] ah, ok [18:06] Sweet5hark, nice one, thanks [18:06] willcooke, I got an HDMI to VGA adapter today, means I can use projectors for giving talks where they have no HDMI :D [18:06] phone -> hdmi slimport -> vga -> screen [18:06] \o/ [18:07] yilkes! [18:07] Good luck with that, I fear you'll need it ;) [18:07] It works [18:07] wow! [18:07] http://imgur.com/FESuel1 [18:07] via VGA [18:08] awesome!! [18:19] popey: What's the awesomest laptop these days? Optimize for not huge, and good wifi. [18:20] Top of my list is Thinkpad X250 and the new Dell XPS 13 broadwell.. [18:20] popey: Thank you! [18:23] popey, qengho: what about a lenovo T450s in that comparison? [18:23] That's also on the list. [18:23] I think cjwatson has one of them. [18:24] https://twitter.com/colmmacuait/status/647726243115307008 [18:24] confirmed :) [18:25] popey: thanks for that intel on cjwatson ;) [18:25] heh [18:26] popey, qengho: T450s with i7 and 20GB RAM would be my choice, if I had to buy a new workhorse tomorrow. [18:27] Says the guy who builds libreoffice locally for a living ;) [18:27] hehe :) [18:28] I also crunch big projects. :\ [18:28] hrhr. [18:29] * Sweet5hark uses notebooks as dual-use weapons: to compile and to heat the room [18:29] winter is coming. [18:29] Laundry won't dry itself! Come here make -j 12 ! [18:32] popey: careful, OOM killer coming your way: https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/blob/master/RepositoryModule_host.mk#L166 [18:33] ugh [18:47] alrighty, bugging out. G'night all - see you on Thursday === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [18:53] you people need to use the iceland trick if meeting times are confusing you :-) [18:53] * Laney got a sms reminder at the right time [18:53] and then LAUGHED at you ALL [19:31] who owns the gdrive scope? [19:31] seb128: do you know? [19:33] mdeslaur, Unity API team? I don't wish them to inherit old scopes but afaik, it's unmaintained === davidcalle_afk is now known as davidcalle [19:35] davidcalle: hrm, thanks [19:38] davidcalle: is there a list of scopes that -are- maintained? [19:39] sarnold, I don't know, willcooke might have a better answer to this [19:40] dang, wish I'd though to ask an hour ago :) heh, thanks [19:41] (and the API team as well, some main scopes (eg files, apps) are actively maintained by them) [19:53] davidcalle: you're not maintaining any of the scopes? [19:59] seb128: what sessions can the desktop team run for UOS? [20:00] bregma: can you do a session about libertine/puritine? [20:33] mhall119, I don't think Libertine is really in a state where it's ready for public consumption, and Puritine is a really limited solution to a specific demand [20:34] maybe I could do a session on what we want Libertine to be when it grows up, but I don't want to build expectations too early [20:35] bregma: there's a lot of questions about if/how we're going to support desktop apps people are currently using in the confined/converged future of Ubuntu, so a sessoin that just talks about the challenges and plans would be nice to have [20:35] mmm, I suppose [20:48] Is it ok to add a gnupg2 build-dep to seahorse when merging? It builds without it in debian, but not in ubuntu. https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/seahorse/3.18/+merge/275917 [21:08] Noskcaj: that's because gnupg is part of the base devel package set, I guess, and Ubuntu wishes to use gnupg2 instead? [21:08] makes sense [21:09] it might be worth poking the debian folks if they want gnupg2 too, iirc gnupg2 is required for ecc keys.. [21:10] Noskcaj: I like the idea of getting Debian to change too. I think it's okay to merge that with 2 now, and letting Debian catch up in their 3.18.0-3 . [21:11] "letting" means asking, filing a bug report, and attaching the patch that does it for them. [21:14] debian already depends on gnupg2, and something else is pulling it in for the buildder there [21:14] All: my broken laptop sensed your suggestions for replacement and started working again, hours later. Thanks. Intimidation works. [21:15] Noskcaj: Hrm, that's weird. Maybe Ubuntu is behind somewhere. :( [21:15] i'll look into it more when i get back from school today, hopefully someone can sponsor in the meantime [21:16] Pretty sure we would want to move over to gpg2 all the way [21:16] xnox wanted to look into that [21:23] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpgme1.0/+changelog seems to be the issue [21:23] for some reason i was think the gpg2 transition got finished when i was still around at the start of wily