[00:00] <daftykins> o rly
[00:01] <TJ-> since 4.0 we have livepatch, with kpatch userspace tools, which is a merger of kgraft and kpatch
[00:02] <daftykins> ah, well it'll take until April for that to reach me then :)
[01:27] <pauljw> gnite all
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:08] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:08] <TJ-> Wooo Hoo :)
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:08] <TJ-> (that was the Huskies :)
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> travnewmatic: good afternoon
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:52] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \O . Slow day .. You be early ?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: just watched some movies, early evening yes :p
[17:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: With the hurricane south of us (way south) .. for several days has been raining here .. Good excuse to remain before the monitor .
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> wow hurrican oO
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: lets hope it remains small
[17:59] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: This was back Sunday .. Hit Mexico ( and Texas) real hard .
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-development-has-started-495377.shtml
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> rocknroll!!!
[19:41] <TJ-> Errr, started the moment Wily was released :D
[19:42] <daftykins> ^ :>
[19:42] <daftykins> the employees can't just go to work and get drunk after release day ;)
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:54] <TJ-> I think some of them are permanently drunk based on some of the code I read :P
[19:54] <daftykins> 8D
[19:55] <TJ-> la la la la
[19:56] <daftykins> tralala
[19:57] <daftykins> 'tis firmly the time of year where my lap is fought over by my laptop and cat ;)
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> ioriaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[19:59] <ioria> lotusssssssssssssssssssss
[19:59] <daftykins> daftyyyyyyyyyyyy
[20:00] <ioria> lol ... have you heard  about that  15 years old kid in  UK  ?
[20:00] <ioria> he hackered Talk Talk
[20:02] <daftykins> mmm
[20:02] <ioria> belfast
[20:03] <ioria> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/talktalk-hack-police-arrest-teenager-15-in-northern-ireland-34143245.html
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> whats talk talk
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> wow
[20:05] <ioria> he asked for a ransom to give back the data   :þ
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> wileee: good evening
[20:08] <wileee> hello, coffee'd up and ready to go
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> ioria: thats crazy
[20:08] <ioria> yeah
[20:13] <TJ-> Allegedly; the police haven't said why specifically that person was arrested
[20:15] <ioria> right, Habeas  Corpus
[20:22] <daftykins> the times they are a-changin', used to be teens did honourable things like crack DVD encryption, now it's going for companies ;)
[20:22] <ioria> ^_^
[20:24] <lotuspsychje> the whole world is hacked
[20:24] <daftykins> yip
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> how many b0tnets would exist...
[20:31] <OerHeks> A good botnet protects you from malware :-D
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:32] <daftykins> still chuckling at mac owners getting those scam calls now
[20:32]  * lotuspsychje takes out his wallet to 0day rent-a-botnet
[20:37] <OerHeks> heh, see #ubuntu lotuspsychje ...
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> LOL
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> speaking of the devil...
[20:43] <daftykins> what happened :o
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: <postman> Free Botnet We Are DangerS Come On http://www.Geyiktr.com OR irc.geyiktr.com Seee Youuuuu
[20:44] <daftykins> oh neat
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> just got my wallet ready
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> and they come for me
[20:52] <Bashing-om> ^^ 'they' smell the blood of an open wallet . LOL
[20:52] <ioria> nite
[20:53] <TJ-> That's not hacking, that's cracking, and from what we heard of the response from TalkTalk board-level executives, they thoroughly deserved it
[20:54] <TJ-> "We don't know if the data was encrypted" - that was 48 hours after the news broke
[20:54] <daftykins> :D
[20:54] <daftykins> then later "well we didn't legally have to!"
[20:54] <TJ-> Looked to me like a bunch of non-knowledge MBAs were running a highly technical ISP
[20:54] <TJ-> Right. But I'd like to see their faces when PCI compliance come calling to revoke their authority to take credit cards
[20:55] <daftykins> oh i mean it as a negative too, for sure
[20:56] <TJ-> I know :D
[20:56] <TJ-> Irony was they advertised for a chief security 'officer' the week before
[20:56] <TJ-> I'd give that job to the 15 YO, if that person were responsible for the breach
[20:57] <daftykins> :)
[20:57] <TJ-> poacher-turned-gamekeeper... best ploy ever
[20:57] <TJ-> That's why cops get away with so much; they think like the criminals
[20:58] <daftykins> US ones *are* the criminals ;)
[20:58] <TJ-> Racketeering organisations :)
[21:00] <TJ-> On a totally different note... as I may have mentioned I've been comtemplating joing the Kubuntu dev team to give it a push now J.R. and others have left/are leaving... today I decided not to, but for a reason that speaks volumes about that project. Another dev was asking how to package a tool that requires at least a particular version of the kernel (due to a system IOCTL being needed)
[21:01] <daftykins> is that a bit too basic - and so a sign of what you'd be babysitting?
[21:01] <TJ-> I suggested adding a patch to the package that checks for the IOCTL at run-time and tells the user if it isn't there, and what to do about. One of the existing senior devs then said "we don't apply patches unless upstream approve them" so I said, so put it in the Ubuntu packaging, and the response was "we don't do that"
[21:02] <daftykins> erk
[21:02] <daftykins> probably why a guy i know went to work on debian instead XD
[21:03] <TJ-> In other words, Kubuntu bases of Ubuntu (which carries thousands of such patches in the packaging to address distro-user-specific improvements) but all they do is repackage upstream KDE code with ZERO fixups for Kubuntu
[21:06] <TJ-> I asked "why?" and got no response
[21:08] <wileee> TJ-, run is my advice, ; 0
[21:08] <wileee> the ku and ubu has been going on enough even I'm aware of it as an outsider consumer
[21:10] <TJ-> wileee: right... I've been shadowing and helping out with advice for over 6 months since I use it and have the expertise they're lacking, but I'm not interested is simply (re)packaging - that's boring stuff
[21:12] <wileee> TJ-, Yeah, you have the skills to help for sure and the patience I would think, group work is tough.
[21:13] <TJ-> There are several willing recent new devs but its pretty clear they lack any real understanding of Debian packaging in depth, or engineering process
[21:15] <wileee> bummer
[21:16] <TJ-> I asked, a few days ago, where the documentation is on the Kubuntu processes, aside from what I've picked up on IRC, and was told "well then you have as much as there is"
[21:16] <TJ-> That, to me, is not the way to attract competent devs, if they're going to be spending a lot of time trying to figure out the processes, the servers to manage, which repos to pull from, push to, how to control the continuous integration system, etc, etc.
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> nitenite fellas
[21:26] <TJ-> seems to be a lot botnet spam tonight
[21:27] <OerHeks> lotus to bed, i hope it stops now.
[21:28] <daftykins> :D
[21:28] <daftykins> wallet closed!