[03:59] <pitti> slangasek, Saviq: indeed, passing again \o/
[04:24] <Guest80975> Hello Does anyone know Ubuntu touch support LG Nexus 5X?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> good morning guys
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[09:19] <JMD> anyone tried an external monitor with ubuntu touch phone?
[09:19] <mcphail> JMD: I don't think that works with any of the retail phones
[09:21] <JMD> Will it be able to work with the new update OTA8?
[09:22] <JMD> I've got a Nexus 4 and got a cable recently and it worked, sort of
[09:23] <JMD> Ubuntu touch appeared on half the external screen
[09:24] <mcphail> JMD: As I understand it, this is all still very much a work-in-progress
[09:31] <JMD> @ mcphail: sure just really excited to see how it's coming along!
[09:32] <mcphail> JMD: :). Some of the devs with Nexus 4s will probably be along in a while. Ask again then
[09:33] <JMD> I finish work in 30mins so probably won't be able to :(
[09:33] <JMD> From what I have seen it could be improved for OTA8?
[09:34] <popey> yeah, just updated my nexus 4 and played with external monitor / mouse / keyboard
[09:34] <popey> fun
[09:35] <JMD> ooooo :)
[09:36] <JMD> I have a bluetooth mouse/keyboard but bluetooth has never pworked well under Ubuntu Touch with my Nexus 4, you?
[09:37] <JMD> @popey. Is that a preview of OTA8 or even further away?
[09:38] <popey> if it's in rc-proposed then it will likely land in OTA-8 given that's the next one
[09:39] <popey> (unless it regresses horribly and gets removed)
[09:39] <popey> which is unlikely I think
[09:39] <JMD> cool, fingers crossed...
[09:40] <popey> yeah!
[09:40] <popey> shame the screenshots I took didn't work
[09:40] <popey> Saviq, is it known that screenshots don't work when connected to external monitor?
[09:40] <JMD> Mine sort of worked now, but only showed up on half the external monitor...
[09:42] <mcphail> Do you need to attach a mouse to get it to rotate to fullscreen?
[09:42] <JMD> It wa up the right way but was in portrait so only showed up on half my external screen
[09:43] <JMD> I found a SlimPort to HDMI cablewhich says it's compatible with Nexus 4
[09:44] <mcphail> JMD: from the demos I've seen, attaching a mouse makes the phone switch to tablet/landscape mode and enables windows. Perhaps that would let the picture fill the screen?
[09:45]  * mcphail doesn't own the hardware to test this
[09:46] <JMD> @mcphail: hmm, ok, thx, problem is my bluetooth has never been able to connect to anything since I put UT on it, any ideas?
[09:46] <mcphail> JMD: I'm waiting for bluetooth to be fixed, as well :(
[09:46] <mcphail> JMD: heard it might improve in OTA9...
[09:47] <JMD> ah, goody
[09:47] <mcphail> JMD: I think bluez5 is in progress. I keep annoying the devs here to try to focus them on landing it by OTA9 ;p
[09:48] <JMD> you keep on them ;)
[09:49] <mcphail> JMD: Yes, I suspect I'm as annoying as a gnat!
[09:49] <JMD> lol, it just feels so close but not quite there!
[09:50] <JMD> So I'm guessing many ppl here put down for the Indiegogo Ubuntu phone?
[09:51] <popey> http://imgur.com/nAFvEqD
[09:52] <JMD> Awesome, that's your phone popey?
[09:52] <popey> ya, nexus 4
[09:52] <popey> which you can just about see bottom left
[09:53] <JMD> hmm too dark but exciting to see the screen :)
[09:53] <JMD> and that's the proposed channel which wil become OTA8?
[09:54] <JMD> And you might want to give it a charge, just sayin :)
[09:57] <JMD> Righto, thx for answers ppl, time for the pub!
[09:59] <mcphail> JMD: Slainte!
[09:59] <JMD> ??
[10:00] <JMD> oh, thx and you too :)
[10:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Cranky Co-Workers Day! 😃
[10:20] <jgdx> JamesTait, who you calling cranky!?!?
[10:21] <JamesTait> jgdx, go jump in a fjjord!
[10:21] <JamesTait> (minus a j)
[10:21] <Saviq> popey, known, not, expected, likely, bug please?
[10:23] <JamesTait> Saviq has turned into William Shatner....
[10:23] <Saviq> ;D
[10:25] <popey> ok Saviq
[10:28] <sturmflut2> JamesTait: My co-worker actually is cranky. She hit a deer with her car and now has to take the train to work :/
[10:31] <JamesTait> sturmflut2, as least she has a good reason. 😉
[10:43] <Saviq> pitti, hey, does http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8 look right? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.html does not show the unity-scope-click running?
[10:52] <pitti> Saviq: ah, some more fallout from lcy01 breakage, let me fix
[10:54] <Saviq> pitti, thanks
[13:49] <jgdx> abeato, hey, bug 1504992 -- could you recap? What's confirmed for System Settings?
[13:50] <jgdx> we have no Internet+mms property on the type field, so maybe the description needs to be updated if it is indeed confirmed for USS
[14:02] <balloons> Elleo, ping
[14:06] <Elleo> balloons: pong?
[14:07] <balloons> Elleo, hey, mhall119 tells me you might be working on a game at the moment, is that true?
[14:08] <balloons> and is so, I'd like to ask if you would be willing to do a little session at UOS next week. A 'show and tell' session as we call it. Essentially, a little live demonstration of developing the game, while taking questions.
[14:08] <Elleo> balloons: I have a half finished game I started ages ago, haven't done much on it recently though
[14:10] <balloons> That sounds like a possibility. Something that is in-progress works well for this I think. Would you be interested in doing something like that?
[14:10] <Elleo> balloons: it's actually so old that I did a UOS session on it last year :P
[14:10] <balloons> :p Ok, so only 6 months ago if that helps
[14:11] <balloons> or maybe it was a year ago, since I don't remember it
[14:11] <balloons> hah!
[14:11] <Elleo> yeah, I think it was more than one UOS ago
[14:12] <balloons> Elleo, anyways, if you've done it before, you kind of have the idea. I think it would be useful to encourage more developers to explore making a game, and I was keen to get someone with some experience to talk and share a project in progress with them
[14:12] <Elleo> balloons: yeah, 1 year ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0pJiDFqPZc :P
[14:12] <balloons> would you use the same framework today?
[14:13] <balloons> anything changed to make it easier? what options exist, etc
[14:13] <Elleo> balloons: actually since doing that video I rewrote it to use kenvandine's engine (bacon2d)
[14:14] <balloons> ahh nice
[14:15] <Elleo> balloons: but, yeah, I'll happily do a quick demo and q&a; what sort of length would it be?
[14:15] <Elleo> balloons: might even spur me to do a bit of work on it ;)
[14:16] <dpm> sil2100, if I understand it correctly, to get the latest convergence goodness on a Nexus 4 (i.e. silo 22) I can install from the rc-proposed/ubuntu channel, right? But is there another channel for the N4 that contains these changes _and_  the Nokia Here bits to get AGPS working?
[14:16] <balloons> Elleo, it'll be a 1 hour slot, but often the demo sessions are 10 - 20 mins. I would plan to do a little demo and talk through your development, maybe do a little quick hacking. That would be 10 mins or so. Then take questions from there. We may find it runs the whole session; we may not
[14:16]  * dpm has lost track of N4 channels after having used the stable channel on his bq for quite a while
[14:17] <sil2100> dpm: hey! Yeah, so it's a bit more complicated right now
[14:17] <sil2100> dpm: the latest convergence unity8 bits landed in rc-proposed/ubuntu now, so if you want to have AGPS working we have a soon-to-be-migrated rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en channel with mako images there
[14:17] <sil2100> dpm: but...
[14:17] <balloons> Elleo, the show and tell sessions are fun and lighthearted. casual and unscripted
[14:18] <balloons> so don't feel the need to prepare slides or a big speech or anything :-) Just you, a camera, and a project :-)
[14:18] <Elleo> balloons: okay, cool
[14:18] <sil2100> dpm: the fully convergable images are currently in the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd channels - this is the channel that has images with libertine installed
[14:19] <balloons> Elleo, excellent. I'll create the session. Let me know if you have a time and day you prefer and I'll schedule it right now. Thanks for volunteering!
[14:19] <sil2100> dpm: the pocket-desktop images have a separate channel right now as we're pulling in additional stuff that we didn't want to have in stable images right now
[14:19] <dpm> sil2100, that's fine, I'm more about getting native apps to run on a desktop-like environment with a monitor. Or is there anything else that I'd be missig from the PD channel to get a demo going?
[14:20] <Elleo> balloons: most days/times are good with me; possibly best to avoid tuesdays as I'm usually out in the evening and have some extra meetings that afternoon, and have regular stand ups at 2pm UTC each day; so any time other than those is good
[14:28] <iMiksu> I’m planning to explore on doing app development for Ubuntu Touch, what phone you recommend to do it with? I would prefer something that is good for personal “production use”
[14:29] <dobey> iMiksu: you don't need a phone to develop apps, but for "production" support, buy a production phone; bq e4.5 ubuntu, bq e5 ubuntu, meizu mx4 ubuntu
[14:31] <nick4442> oh boy, ubuntu browser got stuck maximized and the windows controls are missing
[14:31] <popey> yeah, i get that on my device too
[14:31] <nick4442> do you guys know where does unity saves windows size?
[14:32] <nick4442> popey: and how do you reset the size? :D
[14:32] <popey> i didnt
[14:32] <nick4442> popey: i think it's possible but i forgot how :(
[14:33] <nick4442> popey: have you tried xmir?
[14:34] <dobey> nick4442: unity doesn't store state of client windows
[14:34] <dobey> i guess the browser app might save its own state?
[14:35] <nick4442> dobey: could be? the calculator app remembers the size and position
[14:36] <nick4442> so.. the apps store the size and position somewhere :))
[14:39] <popey> nick4442, yes
[14:40] <nick4442> popey: how do you start the apps? Xmir :0 --desktop_file_hint=whatever.desktop?
[14:40] <popey> i click the icon :)
[14:40] <nick4442> oh :))
[14:41] <nick4442> hmm
[14:42] <jgdx> seb128, faenil: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12979870/
[14:47] <faenil> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12979899/ seb128 jgdx
[14:47] <seb128> thanks
[16:01] <frecel> popey: well that's a crappy start http://i.imgur.com/kD81X9Q.png
[16:01] <popey> dodgy cable? :)
[16:01] <popey> oh, it locked while you were downloading
[16:01] <popey> unlock it, run it again
[16:02] <frecel> popey: that worked thanks
[16:02] <popey> super
[16:04] <abeato> tsdgeos, hey, I'm trying to reproduce bug #1496736
[16:04] <abeato> tsdgeos, is there a way to reproduce it using some qml?
[16:05] <abeato> silo 4 is building now and I am not sure of whether it is in a clean state or not
[16:06] <tsdgeos> abeato: you can use the qml that silo 4 has :D
[16:06] <tsdgeos> abeato: i do not have a separate test for it than the code i have
[16:07] <abeato> tsdgeos, ok, I'll wait for it to build then
[16:08] <frecel> popey: 2015/10/27 10:07:50 error pushing: protocol failure
[16:08] <frecel> popey: I feel like this used to be a lot easier
[16:13] <popey> frecel, i agree
[16:23] <frecel> popey: can you ping me again, I think I broke my notifications
[16:23] <popey> frecel, maybe
[16:24] <frecel> popey: one more please
[16:30] <tathhu> frecel   pam
[16:32] <abeato> tsdgeos, quick question, do I need development branch of music app to reproduce the bug?
[16:33] <tsdgeos> abeato: the music app is not involved at all
[16:33] <ahayzen> abeato, as i said in #7 of the bug 1496736 "This has not yet been observed in the music-app, so not currently blocking it land."
[16:34] <abeato> tsdgeos, good, just wanted to be sure :)
[16:34] <abeato> ahayzen, ack
[16:34] <abeato> tsdgeos, I'm having problems with silo 4
[16:34] <tsdgeos> abeato: what's up?
[16:34] <abeato> tsdgeos, first, not all packages have a version for 15.04
[16:35] <abeato> only unity-api in fact
[16:36] <tsdgeos> the status of https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/29 doesn't look good
[16:36] <abeato> certainly
[16:37] <abeato> pstolowski, silo 4 is not building ^^
[16:37] <pstolowski> abeato, i know... i've been fighting with it today
[16:38] <abeato> ok
[16:40] <jhodapp> pstolowski, did you see my email about silo 4?
[16:40] <pstolowski> jhodapp, yes. and i was about to reply with instructions, but then noticed the silo needed rebuilding... and since then i'm stuck with it
[16:41] <abeato> pstolowski, please add me in the reply
[16:41] <pstolowski> jhodapp, there are some issues with dependencies after latest landings, not sure why
[16:41] <pstolowski> abeato, ok
[16:41] <jhodapp> pstolowski, alright...can you ping myself and abeato when you've resolved it and then can you verify with the latest vivid image that still have that bug with it?
[16:41] <abeato> thanks!
[16:42] <jhodapp> pstolowski, this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1496736
[16:58] <seb128> jgdx, still there?
[17:02] <jgdx> seb128, go
[17:02] <seb128> jgdx, reviewing your changes, look mostly good, I've small questions
[17:02] <jgdx> seb128, shoot
[17:02] <seb128> jgdx, did you mean to change the hotspot panel in the same set?
[17:03] <seb128> if fact ignore that, from the description you did ;-)
[17:04] <jgdx> seb128, since this change requires s-i 3.0.2, yes, I meant to. The Info API is deprecated, replaced by Information.
[17:04] <jgdx> * deprecated in 3.0.2 that is
[17:04] <seb128> right
[17:04] <seb128> that's fine I guess
[17:04] <seb128> the other one is more a nitpick
[17:05] <seb128> but detailedVersionDetails doesn't really describe well what that contains
[17:06] <seb128> but if it's already in a silo I'm not going to make you change it ;-)
[17:08] <seb128> the s-i key is "version_detail" I would have named that versionDetail
[17:11] <seb128> jgdx, k, approved
[17:16] <jgdx> seb128, sorry, I'm a bit distracted. Right, the point of that was versionDetail is the string, the “Details” means the map.
[17:16] <jgdx> seb128, oh okay. Thankss!
[17:16] <seb128> jgdx, yw
[17:16] <seb128> jgdx, right, I would just have named it versionDetailDict or something
[17:24] <jgdx> aah okay, sorry about that
[17:52] <jgdx> seb128, sorry, the reason it's in a silo is that ken approved it
[19:34] <Arska134> Anything new about battery statistics issue?
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> Arska134: maybe you find an existing bug here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[19:39] <Arska134> i mean this bug  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1471913
[19:39] <Arska134> yup. i made some comments there.
[19:41] <dobey> is there any way for a click app to trap SMS messages from certain numbers?
[19:43] <Arska134> Anyone else has same problem as i with battery? (Bug 1471913?) I cannot charge my phone for short periods of time because i have to wait it to jump 100 % or charging is pointless..
[19:45] <Arska134> More info in Launchpad. Comments from "Ari Salonen" are mine ^
[19:45] <dobey> well, as you can see, there is discussion on there, and others are having the issue. it is being looked into
[19:50] <Arska134> Just curious why importance is medium, because problem is obviously very important
[19:52] <dobey> i don't know, i didn't set the importance. but it also sounds like it could very well be a hardware problem.
[19:52] <Arska134> yeah thats why i am concerned if i have to send my phone back
[19:52] <dobey> it also appears to not affect all mx4 users, only some.
[19:52] <dobey> well have you contacted meizu support about the problem, or only the bug report?
[19:53] <Arska134> i contacted Meizu over 2 weeks ago but they are not answering
[19:54] <dobey> call them on the phone?
[19:54] <Arska134> I think they don't have support in my native language
[19:55] <dobey> i don't know if they do or not. but any hardware exchange/service you'll need to coordinate through their support system.
[19:56] <Arska134> someone at launchpad commented this:  "Said to be a "MTK pmic fuelguage issue", per talk with hw vendor."
[19:56] <Arska134> "Currently we still don't have work around code from vendor."
[19:57] <Arska134> pretty weird that this is only affecting some MX4 devices
[19:57] <dobey> ok. well, if it's fixable in software, then when MTK provides the fix, it will be in an update i guess
[19:58] <Arska134> i have been fingers crossed everytime update were released :D
[19:59] <dobey> well, monitor the bug report. when it gets marked fixed, then the fix should be in the following update from that point :)
[20:00] <dobey> if it requires a device exchange, then i suspect such info will end up in that report as well, to direct people on where to contact to exchange the device.
[20:00] <Arska134> i'll wait and i think i'll resend my email to meizu again.
[20:01] <Arska134> hopefully it will be fixed soon
[20:15] <Drh451> I am new to Ubuntu and tried installing the 14.04.3 version on a HP Pavilion a1540n I am now stuck at the login screen and it keeps looping
[20:39] <Arska134> Drh451: this is Ubuntu mobile OS channel but google found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/590561/ubuntu-14-04-login-loop-problem
[20:42] <dobey> Arska134: that person left ~2 minutes after making that statement :)
[20:47] <Arska134> dobey: Just noticed when i hit enter :D
[20:48] <Arska134> Does anyone tried to compile from Unity3D to Ubuntu Touch?
[20:48] <Arska134> does it work?
[20:50] <Arska134> Currently making project with Unity and would be nice to release something for Ubuntu Touch users also. :D
[20:51] <dobey> i don't think Unity3D has a build target that creates a valid phone package
[21:41] <mcphail> Arska134: no - you can't use Unity3D for Ubuntu touch