/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/27/#ubuntu-za.txt

thatgraemeguymornings05:47
mazalMornings05:54
pieter2627morning all06:15
antonmorning pieter262706:50
antonis anybody with Neotel?06:50
antonnobody with neotel?07:55
Sxuzaanton : u mean landline ?08:30
antonfibre08:45
antoncurrently on a poc with a 6 meg fibre, 5 for internet and 1 for to the DC in Midrand.08:46
SxuzaDC ?08:46
antonDataCentre08:46
Sxuzapoc ?08:46
Sxuzathat must be superfast internet 08:47
antonproof of concept08:47
antonmeh it's ok 08:47
Sxuza6Mbps ?08:47
Sxuzaits just ok, im not even close to know those speeds08:48
Sxuza<---GPRS 08:48
antonthe 6 is devided in to 5 for internet usesage and then 1 meg straight to the Neotel DC in Midrand and we are in Randburg08:48
antonthe 1 meg is useless, if it reaches half capacity on the line i then experience anything from 40% to 70% packet loss08:49
antonthen my mysql replication just dies08:49
Sxuzaim currently experiencing slow speeds from Vodacom 08:50
Sxuzaits been bad , web browsing etc 08:51
antonyip each 1 of us has their own battles with ISP08:51
Sxuzawhat happened to MTN/Voda wanting to share network charges with watsapp ?,lol08:51
Sxuzaheard this long time ago , i dont know where it eneded08:51
Sxuzaola ghostcomplex 08:52
antonafaik mtn wants whatspapp to close and vodacom wants whatsapp to reimburse them go figure08:52
Sxuzaand cell C is bad news when it comes to travellers on internet 08:53
Sxuzaspecially down here in the Transkei areas08:53
Sxuzai dont know about the well developed cities08:54
antonliving in the bundus is the life08:54
SxuzaBundus,lol08:54
antoncellc is ok08:54
Sxuzahow much ure paying for your Neotel connection ?08:55
antonurg let me see if i can find somebody at neotel who is NOT suspended08:55
antoncouple of grand08:55
Sxuzalol08:55
SxuzaSNO08:55
Sxuzathe so called 2nd network operator that everyone thot it wud be a problem solver cud be sleeping with the enemy( Telkom)08:56
ghostcomplexhi Sxuza 08:57
Sxuzawhats happening ghost?08:57
Sxuzaare u the guy on the Power series ?08:58
Sxuzalol08:58
ghostcomplexlol08:58
ghostcomplexnope08:58
antonwell runningon ADSL line with VPN and my replication is abit behind but at least I'm not getting packet loss and my slave replications are not stopping08:58
ghostcomplexwhy is mtn only gunning for Whatsapp and not the other messege apps08:59
ghostcomplexeg: facebook-messenger08:59
antonI repsume about 70% of their user base is using whatsapp08:59
antonpresume09:00
Sxuzasame here anton 09:00
Sxuzai think so too09:00
ghostcomplexso whatsapp is probably eating into sms and calls09:00
antonpersonally prefer google hangouts09:00
antonyip sms is a billion rand income to them09:01
MaNIthey all belong in jail for even charging for sms'es09:01
Sxuza#messaginfeesmustfall ?09:01
MaNIthey should never have been there to begin with09:01
* Sxuza thinks MaNI 's gonna start a revolution09:02
Sxuzaim waiting to support u MaNI 09:02
MaNIif I had the ability to do that I would have long ago, over much bigger issues09:02
Sxuzai also dont think i shud be buying sms bundles09:02
Sxuzawhats happening to other coutries out there , are they not paying for texting ?09:04
Sxuzaone of our networks has introduced free WatsApp ? 09:04
ghostcomplexI think texting/ calling in other countries is much cheaper09:05
Sxuzabut still there's a price attached to sms'es09:06
Sxuzaso we're not doing what other countries are not doing. im refering to MaNI's expectations of thinking that this service shud've been free 09:07
ghostcomplexI wonder how the profits compare between sms/calling, contracts, data purchases etc09:09
antonthere was an article on mybb  the oterh day about how sms income has dropped on the mtn network, trying to find it09:10
antonooohhhh.....a R71million fine and looks like the JSE is going to investigate MTN for insider trading......hope you all are sellin gur mtn shares quickly09:11
ghostcomplex*billion09:13
antonyip sorry billion09:18
Sxuzaure forgiven 09:19
inetprogood mornings09:23
Kiloshi superfly thatgraemeguy inetpro and others10:20
Kiloshi anton ghostcomplex 10:20
antonello10:26
antonwanted to ask u r u the same kilos as in avcom?10:26
superflyhi Kilos10:33
Kilosno anton 10:33
Kilosim only here10:33
antonah ok10:34
Kilosbut welcome to ubuntu-za10:47
thatgraemeguy'lo11:33
Kiloshmm...15:06
superflyKilos: things are quiet in here these days 15:49
Kiloslooks like it superfly 15:49
Kilossad15:50
* pieter2627 cannot believe it is meeting again tonight - time went on a jet ride16:05
pieter2627Kilos: will you be mailing the list (and africa)16:35
Kilosoh my16:39
Kilosinetpro ping16:40
Kilosill mail or list pieter2627 16:41
Kilosbit late for warnings16:41
pieter2627Kilos: "mail or list"16:51
pieter2627btw, hoe gaan dit met oom?16:53
Kilosek word gou beter dankie pieter2627 16:58
Kilosi mailed our list16:59
Kilospieter2627 you the chair?16:59
Kilosshould be tweet and g+ announcements as well17:00
pieter2627yes17:09
* pieter2627 wbb soon17:10
Kiloshi gremble 17:31
grembleHey Kilos 17:32
grembleHow are you?17:32
* pieter2627 is back17:32
grembleWelcome back pieter2627 17:32
pieter2627ty gremble17:32
superflysjoe17:45
Kiloshi Vince-0 17:58
Kiloswb17:58
Kiloswassup superfly 17:58
superflyKilos: dis warm17:59
Kilosah17:59
superflyKilos: just ping me when you start18:00
Kiloswill do superfly 18:00
Kiloshehe if im still awake'18:00
inetproKilos: pomg18:02
Kiloshahaha18:03
Kiloshello inetpro 18:03
inetprohallo18:03
Kilosyou also tired18:03
inetproalways18:03
Kilosi didnt g+ about the meeting in 25    mins18:04
Kilosnor the za tweet18:05
Kilossigh18:05
Vince-0haai18:07
Kiloshi clr_ 18:15
clr_hi kilos18:16
clr_what's up18:16
clr_monthly meeting I see18:16
Kilosmeeting in 15 mins18:16
Kilosya18:16
Kiloshehe18:16
Kilosother wise id be asleep already18:16
clr_I wish18:17
Kiloshaha i wish i could spend more time awake18:17
clr_I try to get 6 hours a day of sleep18:18
Kiloswhew18:18
clr_does not allways work out18:18
Kilosatm i think thats how many im awake18:18
clr_wow, how so18:19
Kilosi think meds have a sleeping effect18:19
Kilosor maybe im old18:19
clr_hahaha you have to be real old if you can only stay awake for 6 hours a day, no, it must be the meds18:20
Kiloshahaha18:20
Kiloswhat do you call real old18:20
clr_but how old is old?  I mean18:20
clr_haha18:20
clr_you see, it's all relative18:21
Kilosah maybe relatives are making me tired18:21
clr_I think I might be considered real old by some of the participants here18:21
Kilosmust be meds18:21
Kilosoh my18:22
Kilosyou real old18:22
clr_but then, yo might be real old to me?  who knows18:22
Kilosare you 40 yet18:22
clr_No, Im young, but not quite 5018:23
Kiloslol18:23
clr_you?18:23
Kiloswell looking at it like that im young but not 70 yet18:23
Kilos6418:23
clr_haha, ok you win18:24
* superfly is in the middle these days, at 3518:25
Kiloshee hee18:26
Kilosand pro is not quite 50 either18:27
pieter2627all ready...18:29
Kilosyip18:30
pieter2627should we ping guys Kilos18:30
Kiloswe gonna be min18:30
Kilosinetpro superfly everyonr=e else ping18:30
Kilosoh my 18:30
Kilosstart pieter2627 18:31
Kilosgonna be a short meeting i thik18:31
Kilosn18:31
pieter2627Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - Oct 201518:31
* Maaz_ gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles18:31
KilosMaaz_ I am Miles Sharpe18:31
Maaz_Kilos: Okay18:31
pieter2627Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction 18:31
Maaz_Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction18:31
pieter2627Evening  all and thanks for joining in on our monthly meeting 18:31
pieter2627Please introduce yourselves to Maaz for the minutes using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg. 18:31
pieter2627Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht18:31
Maaz_pieter2627: Righto18:31
inetproMaaz_: I am Gustav H Meyer18:32
Maaz_inetpro: Sure18:32
pieter2627the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20151027 18:32
pieter2627check that nothing is missing and feel free to raise anything you might want to add18:32
* inetpro listening in with one ear18:33
pieter2627Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting 18:33
Maaz_Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting18:33
pieter2627the previous meeting's minutes is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150922 18:33
pieter2627please do not go and read it cause i'm in trouble for forgetting to have done stuff :P18:33
Kilosoh my inetpro what you doing18:33
Kiloshaha pieter2627 18:33
* inetpro busy with some work in the background18:34
Kilosclr_ Vince-0 you guys wanna login?18:34
pieter2627Maaz: topic Plans for 2015 18:35
Maaz_Current Topic: Plans for 201518:35
pieter2627the drill for this is short unless someone has something to say for its topics18:35
superflyMaaz_: I am Raoul Snyman18:35
Maaz_superfly: Righto18:35
Vince-0Maaz: I am Vin Swart18:35
Maaz_Vince-0: Alrighty18:35
Kilosoom clr_ ?18:35
pieter2627Maaz: topic Events18:36
Maaz_Current Topic: Events18:36
pieter2627Has anyone attended PyCon or DASA?18:36
inetpropieter2627: not me18:37
Kiloseveryone snowed under looks like18:37
pieter2627haha18:37
inetprowould have liked to go to DASA18:37
pieter2627then any news for the other events - install Fest, Ubuntu hour18:38
inetproUbuntu 15.10 has been released18:39
superfly ^^18:39
pieter2627if anyone has anything about the 16.04 Release Party then now would be a good time18:39
pieter2627has anyone upgraded yet?18:39
* pieter2627 wanted to on the weekend - but things...18:40
Kilosami is security becoming more of an isue18:40
clr_maaz: I am Charl le Roux18:40
Maaz_clr_: Yessir18:40
Kilosmany security updates18:40
superflypieter2627: I upgraded my work PC today. No problems.18:41
superflyPlasma 5.4 is yum yum18:41
* inetpro willing to wait some more before attempting to upgrade18:41
pieter2627ah ok, good to hear18:42
superflybut I'm using Kubuntu, not Ubuntu, so slightly different.18:42
inetprosuperfly: you using yum in place of apt? :-)18:42
Kiloshahaha18:43
Kilosi had to think about that18:43
superflyPlasma 5.4 comes with the Application Dashboard instead of Kicker (the K-menu), and it makes life so much better. It's a bit like Unity's launcher.18:43
inetprosounds interesting18:43
clr_I upgraded to 15.10, did a clean install as a matter of fact, and I am very happy18:44
superflyinetpro: then again, I'm a bit of a keyboard junkie. vim is my IDE of choice18:44
clr_the newer kernel solved some of my hardware issues with my laptop18:44
inetprovim ftw!18:45
pieter2627i'll go over to the next topic as we cont. talking about upgrade...18:45
pieter2627Maaz: topic Miscellaneous18:45
Maaz_Current Topic: Miscellaneous18:45
clr_I run ubuntu. Thought I could upgrade from 14.04, but that broke my system completely, so I had to reinsall18:45
Kilosoh my18:46
Kilosbacked up /home hopefully18:46
clr_apparently you need to upgrade release by release18:46
Kilosyes18:47
clr_yes, /home on another disk18:47
Kilosonly lts to lts works18:47
pieter2627that is interesting18:47
pieter2627oh, almost forgot anyone know of events for the upcoming month18:47
clr_right, I saw that, but then the upgrade tool allowed me to upgrade from 14.04 to 15.10, and I was.... Ok it must be possible then18:48
Kiloslol18:48
Kilosnow you know18:48
clr_I normally end up doing a fresh install in any case, I prefer that18:48
* pieter2627 never jumped a version...18:49
Kilosi do clean installs everytime18:49
Kilosfly upgrades18:49
pieter2627shall i cont. with the other Misc?18:50
clr_So, I saw someone mentioned ubuntu install fests, and meetups etc. do have them?18:50
Kilosyip18:50
Kiloswe used to clr_ but everyone too busy now18:50
clr_ha ok18:51
pieter2627well the meeting is about organizing them too if i'm correct18:51
Kiloscorrect18:51
clr_how about linuxconza18:51
clr_or linuxfestza18:52
clr_even australia have them, why not us18:52
clr_don't we need a linux conference in south africa18:52
Kilosinetpro comment?18:53
pieter2627SFD was last month, how would a linuxcon differ?18:54
Vince-0closest you're gonna get is sfd ya18:54
Vince-0obsidian is getting involved18:54
Vince-0and its well organised18:54
clr_well, SFD is supposed to promote foss software. Linuxcon should be for business etc. etc.  Like a proper conference.  Like the MyBroadband conference18:55
inetprowe just need people who are willing to step up and start arranging these events18:56
pieter2627should the ubuntu community arrange a linuxcon, or is this were Kilos's idea of getting involved with LUG's get into play?18:57
clr_that is where the challenge lies.  A lot of these around the world grew from the local lug meetup into something bigger18:57
Kilosi think working with lugs is  a good way 18:58
pieter2627Kilos: has this interaction lugs from us taken off yet?18:59
Kiloswe all linux so why the apartheid18:59
clr_I agree, it must be all inclusive18:59
Kilossome of the durbs peeps were interested and jozilug but i see none of them here18:59
Vince-0get corporate sponsors, vendors, a venue, a schedule19:00
KilosVince-0 is here from durbs19:00
Vince-0oh and a committee 19:00
* pieter2627 thinks this might be a good thing to start the interaction19:00
Kilosi forgot to mail wwk19:00
pieter2627will we try this to improve the lug interaction? (quick vote pls)19:02
KilosVince-0 can you chat to the durbs guys for us please19:02
Kilosprob is we work here and they use G+19:02
Kilosso we need someone on both platforms19:03
pieter2627can't we sort the probs after the plan of action...19:03
Kiloswhatever works19:03
pieter2627a few here will probably be able to help19:04
pieter2627Kilos: can you contact the know lugs to see if they are keen?19:05
KilosVince-0 is here from dbnlug19:05
Kilosi forget who the jozilug guys were19:05
Kilosive had a slack 2 months19:05
pieter2627and gremble is at tuks lug19:05
Kilosthere were 3 of them here 3 months ago19:06
pieter2627so will you take the task for the month?19:06
KilosVince-0 ^^19:06
Kiloshaha ill need 4 more weeks of mostly sleeping i think19:07
pieter2627ai, inetpro you up for it?19:07
pieter2627:P19:07
Kiloslol19:08
KilosVince-0 and gremble are the guys to get to help19:08
Kilosthey are insiders in the lugs19:08
Kilosi will mail wwk in durbs again though19:08
pieter2627Vince-0: could you contact the others if Kilos gave you missing details?19:09
inetpropieter2627: unfortunately no19:09
* pieter2627 looking for a o/ here19:09
* inetpro has too many forks in hands to handle19:10
pieter2627that seems to cover lugs involvement19:11
* pieter2627 know the feeling19:11
pieter2627now for what i forgot - to create that Ubuntu-in-the-wild list on trello. will do it this month...19:11
Kilosoh my19:11
pieter2627can I move to next topic?19:12
Kilosive totally even forgotten about trello19:12
Kilosyes19:12
pieter2627Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting19:12
Maaz_Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting19:12
* Kilos votes for pieter262719:12
pieter2627so anyone up for chairing the next meeting19:12
inetpro+1 for pieter262719:13
* pieter2627 still in19:13
Kiloscan you manage it pieter2627 19:13
Kiloswe need you 19:13
pieter2627Maaz_: agreed pieter2627 to chair Nov's meeting19:13
Maaz_Agreed: pieter2627 to chair Nov's meeting19:13
Kilosyay ty19:14
pieter2627Kilos: yes19:14
pieter2627Maaz: topic Next meeting19:14
Maaz_Current Topic: Next meeting19:14
pieter2627Next one seems to be 24 Nov right?19:14
* pieter2627 wonders what happens in Dec19:14
Kilosi think we have an ealy one if needed19:15
Kilosearly19:15
pieter2627ah ok19:15
Kilosonly if there is something needs discussing19:15
pieter2627Maaz_: agreed Next meeting is 24 November 2015 @ 20:3019:15
Maaz_Agreed: Next meeting is 24 November 2015 @ 20:3019:15
inetpro22 dec should be fine19:16
pieter2627thanks all for joining hope to see at the next one19:16
pieter2627Maaz: end meeting19:16
Maaz_Meeting Ended19:16
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Kilosyou not on holiday inetpro 19:16
Kilosty pieter2627 19:16
pieter2627np19:16
* inetpro is always on holiday19:16
Kiloslol19:17
Kilosi need a holiday19:17
Kiloslong one19:17
* pieter2627 just sometimes which IRC had an indicator for when others are typing so he knows when it is same to change topics19:17
pieter2627s/which/wish/19:17
Kilosya that would be cool19:18
pieter2627agg s/same/safe/19:18
Kilosnow its sit and wait19:18
* pieter2627 is too tired it seems19:18
Kilostired bug is in the air19:18
pieter2627oh no, what to wait for?19:19
Kilosanswers19:19
pieter2627Kilos: you have another meeting?19:20
Kilosnono19:20
Kilosi meant19:20
Kiloswith out the typing indicator19:20
Kiloslike with pidgin19:21
Kilosi think africa gonna have another missed meeting tomorrow night19:21
pieter2627oh, thought you were talking about something else19:22
Kilosill try remember to mail that list19:22
Kilosim half asleep here now19:22
Kiloshehe19:22
Kilospieter2627 do you do g+19:23
pieter2627else we will fill in with the mail if you miss it so don't stress19:23
pieter2627i'm on it - have never used the social networks19:23
Kilosactually it seems all linux peeps are very busy19:23
pieter2627have only tweeted twice or so19:24
Kilosum19:24
pieter2627but am planning on using g+ soon for something19:24
Kilosthe pro is the man19:24
Kilosbut too busy19:24
pieter2627why do you ask?19:24
Kilosyou uncapped19:24
pieter2627yes19:24
Kilosbecause i dont use it19:25
Kilosand the lugs all live there i think19:25
Kilosdbnlug hhave hangouts there19:25
Kilosonce again must be someone with time19:26
pieter2627i see, well one can learn if needs be19:26
* pieter2627 just would like to see all helping as they can19:27
Kiloslets see if we can get all the info and then you can join them in this coming month19:28
Kilosbut come to think of it even the dbn mailing list has gone wuiet19:28
Kilosunless i broke something here again19:29
Kilosquiet19:29
pieter2627ok, lets do so19:29
Kiloswhew19:29
Kilosill mail wwk and let you know19:29
Kilosand Vince-0 can give us his details19:30
pieter2627great, chat again tomorrow - am tired typing in wrong order it seems19:30
Kilosyeah ty for chairing19:30
pieter2627np19:31
Kilosnight all . sleep tight19:31
pieter2627night all19:31
inetprogood night pie[tab]19:32
inetprooh and good night oom Kilos as well19:32
Kilossleep tight inetpro 19:33
Kilospas jou op man19:33
superflynew Axxess/Afrihost network... https://ipinfo.io/AS3761120:01
superflyApparently I'm getting amazing speeds... http://pasteboard.co/1Hdu7XDS.png20:06

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