[05:47] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[05:54] <mazal> Mornings
[06:15] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:50] <anton> morning pieter2627
[06:50] <anton> is anybody with Neotel?
[07:55] <anton> nobody with neotel?
[08:30] <Sxuza> anton : u mean landline ?
[08:45] <anton> fibre
[08:46] <anton> currently on a poc with a 6 meg fibre, 5 for internet and 1 for to the DC in Midrand.
[08:46] <Sxuza> DC ?
[08:46] <anton> DataCentre
[08:46] <Sxuza> poc ?
[08:47] <Sxuza> that must be superfast internet 
[08:47] <anton> proof of concept
[08:47] <anton> meh it's ok 
[08:47] <Sxuza> 6Mbps ?
[08:48] <Sxuza> its just ok, im not even close to know those speeds
[08:48] <Sxuza> <---GPRS 
[08:48] <anton> the 6 is devided in to 5 for internet usesage and then 1 meg straight to the Neotel DC in Midrand and we are in Randburg
[08:49] <anton> the 1 meg is useless, if it reaches half capacity on the line i then experience anything from 40% to 70% packet loss
[08:49] <anton> then my mysql replication just dies
[08:50] <Sxuza> im currently experiencing slow speeds from Vodacom 
[08:51] <Sxuza> its been bad , web browsing etc 
[08:51] <anton> yip each 1 of us has their own battles with ISP
[08:51] <Sxuza> what happened to MTN/Voda wanting to share network charges with watsapp ?,lol
[08:51] <Sxuza> heard this long time ago , i dont know where it eneded
[08:52] <Sxuza> ola ghostcomplex 
[08:52] <anton> afaik mtn wants whatspapp to close and vodacom wants whatsapp to reimburse them go figure
[08:53] <Sxuza> and cell C is bad news when it comes to travellers on internet 
[08:53] <Sxuza> specially down here in the Transkei areas
[08:54] <Sxuza> i dont know about the well developed cities
[08:54] <anton> living in the bundus is the life
[08:54] <Sxuza> Bundus,lol
[08:54] <anton> cellc is ok
[08:55] <Sxuza> how much ure paying for your Neotel connection ?
[08:55] <anton> urg let me see if i can find somebody at neotel who is NOT suspended
[08:55] <anton> couple of grand
[08:55] <Sxuza> lol
[08:55] <Sxuza> SNO
[08:56] <Sxuza> the so called 2nd network operator that everyone thot it wud be a problem solver cud be sleeping with the enemy( Telkom)
[08:57] <ghostcomplex> hi Sxuza 
[08:57] <Sxuza> whats happening ghost?
[08:58] <Sxuza> are u the guy on the Power series ?
[08:58] <Sxuza> lol
[08:58] <ghostcomplex> lol
[08:58] <ghostcomplex> nope
[08:58] <anton> well runningon ADSL line with VPN and my replication is abit behind but at least I'm not getting packet loss and my slave replications are not stopping
[08:59] <ghostcomplex> why is mtn only gunning for Whatsapp and not the other messege apps
[08:59] <ghostcomplex> eg: facebook-messenger
[08:59] <anton> I repsume about 70% of their user base is using whatsapp
[09:00] <anton> presume
[09:00] <Sxuza> same here anton 
[09:00] <Sxuza> i think so too
[09:00] <ghostcomplex> so whatsapp is probably eating into sms and calls
[09:00] <anton> personally prefer google hangouts
[09:01] <anton> yip sms is a billion rand income to them
[09:01] <MaNI> they all belong in jail for even charging for sms'es
[09:01] <Sxuza> #messaginfeesmustfall ?
[09:01] <MaNI> they should never have been there to begin with
[09:02]  * Sxuza thinks MaNI 's gonna start a revolution
[09:02] <Sxuza> im waiting to support u MaNI 
[09:02] <MaNI> if I had the ability to do that I would have long ago, over much bigger issues
[09:02] <Sxuza> i also dont think i shud be buying sms bundles
[09:04] <Sxuza> whats happening to other coutries out there , are they not paying for texting ?
[09:04] <Sxuza> one of our networks has introduced free WatsApp ? 
[09:05] <ghostcomplex> I think texting/ calling in other countries is much cheaper
[09:06] <Sxuza> but still there's a price attached to sms'es
[09:07] <Sxuza> so we're not doing what other countries are not doing. im refering to MaNI's expectations of thinking that this service shud've been free 
[09:09] <ghostcomplex> I wonder how the profits compare between sms/calling, contracts, data purchases etc
[09:10] <anton> there was an article on mybb  the oterh day about how sms income has dropped on the mtn network, trying to find it
[09:11] <anton> ooohhhh.....a R71million fine and looks like the JSE is going to investigate MTN for insider trading......hope you all are sellin gur mtn shares quickly
[09:13] <ghostcomplex> *billion
[09:18] <anton> yip sorry billion
[09:19] <Sxuza> ure forgiven 
[09:23] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:20] <Kilos> hi superfly thatgraemeguy inetpro and others
[10:20] <Kilos> hi anton ghostcomplex 
[10:26] <anton> ello
[10:26] <anton> wanted to ask u r u the same kilos as in avcom?
[10:33] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:33] <Kilos> no anton 
[10:33] <Kilos> im only here
[10:34] <anton> ah ok
[10:47] <Kilos> but welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:33] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[15:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:49] <superfly> Kilos: things are quiet in here these days 
[15:49] <Kilos> looks like it superfly 
[15:50] <Kilos> sad
[16:05]  * pieter2627 cannot believe it is meeting again tonight - time went on a jet ride
[16:35] <pieter2627> Kilos: will you be mailing the list (and africa)
[16:39] <Kilos> oh my
[16:40] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[16:41] <Kilos> ill mail or list pieter2627 
[16:41] <Kilos> bit late for warnings
[16:51] <pieter2627> Kilos: "mail or list"
[16:53] <pieter2627> btw, hoe gaan dit met oom?
[16:58] <Kilos> ek word gou beter dankie pieter2627 
[16:59] <Kilos> i mailed our list
[16:59] <Kilos> pieter2627 you the chair?
[17:00] <Kilos> should be tweet and g+ announcements as well
[17:09] <pieter2627> yes
[17:10]  * pieter2627 wbb soon
[17:31] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[17:32] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[17:32] <gremble> How are you?
[17:32]  * pieter2627 is back
[17:32] <gremble> Welcome back pieter2627 
[17:32] <pieter2627> ty gremble
[17:45] <superfly> sjoe
[17:58] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[17:58] <Kilos> wb
[17:58] <Kilos> wassup superfly 
[17:59] <superfly> Kilos: dis warm
[17:59] <Kilos> ah
[18:00] <superfly> Kilos: just ping me when you start
[18:00] <Kilos> will do superfly 
[18:00] <Kilos> hehe if im still awake'
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: pomg
[18:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:03] <Kilos> hello inetpro 
[18:03] <inetpro> hallo
[18:03] <Kilos> you also tired
[18:03] <inetpro> always
[18:04] <Kilos> i didnt g+ about the meeting in 25    mins
[18:05] <Kilos> nor the za tweet
[18:05] <Kilos> sigh
[18:07] <Vince-0> haai
[18:15] <Kilos> hi clr_ 
[18:16] <clr_> hi kilos
[18:16] <clr_> what's up
[18:16] <clr_> monthly meeting I see
[18:16] <Kilos> meeting in 15 mins
[18:16] <Kilos> ya
[18:16] <Kilos> hehe
[18:16] <Kilos> other wise id be asleep already
[18:17] <clr_> I wish
[18:17] <Kilos> haha i wish i could spend more time awake
[18:18] <clr_> I try to get 6 hours a day of sleep
[18:18] <Kilos> whew
[18:18] <clr_> does not allways work out
[18:18] <Kilos> atm i think thats how many im awake
[18:19] <clr_> wow, how so
[18:19] <Kilos> i think meds have a sleeping effect
[18:19] <Kilos> or maybe im old
[18:20] <clr_> hahaha you have to be real old if you can only stay awake for 6 hours a day, no, it must be the meds
[18:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:20] <Kilos> what do you call real old
[18:20] <clr_> but how old is old?  I mean
[18:20] <clr_> haha
[18:21] <clr_> you see, it's all relative
[18:21] <Kilos> ah maybe relatives are making me tired
[18:21] <clr_> I think I might be considered real old by some of the participants here
[18:21] <Kilos> must be meds
[18:22] <Kilos> oh my
[18:22] <Kilos> you real old
[18:22] <clr_> but then, yo might be real old to me?  who knows
[18:22] <Kilos> are you 40 yet
[18:23] <clr_> No, Im young, but not quite 50
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <clr_> you?
[18:23] <Kilos> well looking at it like that im young but not 70 yet
[18:23] <Kilos> 64
[18:24] <clr_> haha, ok you win
[18:25]  * superfly is in the middle these days, at 35
[18:26] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:27] <Kilos> and pro is not quite 50 either
[18:29] <pieter2627> all ready...
[18:30] <Kilos> yip
[18:30] <pieter2627> should we ping guys Kilos
[18:30] <Kilos> we gonna be min
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro superfly everyonr=e else ping
[18:30] <Kilos> oh my 
[18:31] <Kilos> start pieter2627 
[18:31] <Kilos> gonna be a short meeting i thik
[18:31] <Kilos> n
[18:31] <pieter2627> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - Oct 2015
[18:31]  * Maaz_ gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31] <Kilos> Maaz_ I am Miles Sharpe
[18:31] <Maaz_> Kilos: Okay
[18:31] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction 
[18:31] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:31] <pieter2627> Evening  all and thanks for joining in on our monthly meeting 
[18:31] <pieter2627> Please introduce yourselves to Maaz for the minutes using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg. 
[18:31] <pieter2627> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:31] <Maaz_> pieter2627: Righto
[18:32] <inetpro> Maaz_: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:32] <Maaz_> inetpro: Sure
[18:32] <pieter2627> the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20151027 
[18:32] <pieter2627> check that nothing is missing and feel free to raise anything you might want to add
[18:33]  * inetpro listening in with one ear
[18:33] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting 
[18:33] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:33] <pieter2627> the previous meeting's minutes is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150922 
[18:33] <pieter2627> please do not go and read it cause i'm in trouble for forgetting to have done stuff :P
[18:33] <Kilos> oh my inetpro what you doing
[18:33] <Kilos> haha pieter2627 
[18:34]  * inetpro busy with some work in the background
[18:34] <Kilos> clr_ Vince-0 you guys wanna login?
[18:35] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Plans for 2015 
[18:35] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Plans for 2015
[18:35] <pieter2627> the drill for this is short unless someone has something to say for its topics
[18:35] <superfly> Maaz_: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:35] <Maaz_> superfly: Righto
[18:35] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vin Swart
[18:35] <Maaz_> Vince-0: Alrighty
[18:35] <Kilos> oom clr_ ?
[18:36] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Events
[18:36] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Events
[18:36] <pieter2627> Has anyone attended PyCon or DASA?
[18:37] <inetpro> pieter2627: not me
[18:37] <Kilos> everyone snowed under looks like
[18:37] <pieter2627> haha
[18:37] <inetpro> would have liked to go to DASA
[18:38] <pieter2627> then any news for the other events - install Fest, Ubuntu hour
[18:39] <inetpro> Ubuntu 15.10 has been released
[18:39] <superfly>  ^^
[18:39] <pieter2627> if anyone has anything about the 16.04 Release Party then now would be a good time
[18:39] <pieter2627> has anyone upgraded yet?
[18:40]  * pieter2627 wanted to on the weekend - but things...
[18:40] <Kilos> ami is security becoming more of an isue
[18:40] <clr_> maaz: I am Charl le Roux
[18:40] <Maaz_> clr_: Yessir
[18:40] <Kilos> many security updates
[18:41] <superfly> pieter2627: I upgraded my work PC today. No problems.
[18:41] <superfly> Plasma 5.4 is yum yum
[18:41]  * inetpro willing to wait some more before attempting to upgrade
[18:42] <pieter2627> ah ok, good to hear
[18:42] <superfly> but I'm using Kubuntu, not Ubuntu, so slightly different.
[18:42] <inetpro> superfly: you using yum in place of apt? :-)
[18:43] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:43] <Kilos> i had to think about that
[18:43] <superfly> Plasma 5.4 comes with the Application Dashboard instead of Kicker (the K-menu), and it makes life so much better. It's a bit like Unity's launcher.
[18:43] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[18:44] <clr_> I upgraded to 15.10, did a clean install as a matter of fact, and I am very happy
[18:44] <superfly> inetpro: then again, I'm a bit of a keyboard junkie. vim is my IDE of choice
[18:44] <clr_> the newer kernel solved some of my hardware issues with my laptop
[18:45] <inetpro> vim ftw!
[18:45] <pieter2627> i'll go over to the next topic as we cont. talking about upgrade...
[18:45] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[18:45] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[18:45] <clr_> I run ubuntu. Thought I could upgrade from 14.04, but that broke my system completely, so I had to reinsall
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my
[18:46] <Kilos> backed up /home hopefully
[18:46] <clr_> apparently you need to upgrade release by release
[18:47] <Kilos> yes
[18:47] <clr_> yes, /home on another disk
[18:47] <Kilos> only lts to lts works
[18:47] <pieter2627> that is interesting
[18:47] <pieter2627> oh, almost forgot anyone know of events for the upcoming month
[18:48] <clr_> right, I saw that, but then the upgrade tool allowed me to upgrade from 14.04 to 15.10, and I was.... Ok it must be possible then
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> now you know
[18:48] <clr_> I normally end up doing a fresh install in any case, I prefer that
[18:49]  * pieter2627 never jumped a version...
[18:49] <Kilos> i do clean installs everytime
[18:49] <Kilos> fly upgrades
[18:50] <pieter2627> shall i cont. with the other Misc?
[18:50] <clr_> So, I saw someone mentioned ubuntu install fests, and meetups etc. do have them?
[18:50] <Kilos> yip
[18:50] <Kilos> we used to clr_ but everyone too busy now
[18:51] <clr_> ha ok
[18:51] <pieter2627> well the meeting is about organizing them too if i'm correct
[18:51] <Kilos> correct
[18:51] <clr_> how about linuxconza
[18:52] <clr_> or linuxfestza
[18:52] <clr_> even australia have them, why not us
[18:52] <clr_> don't we need a linux conference in south africa
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro comment?
[18:54] <pieter2627> SFD was last month, how would a linuxcon differ?
[18:54] <Vince-0> closest you're gonna get is sfd ya
[18:54] <Vince-0> obsidian is getting involved
[18:54] <Vince-0> and its well organised
[18:55] <clr_> well, SFD is supposed to promote foss software. Linuxcon should be for business etc. etc.  Like a proper conference.  Like the MyBroadband conference
[18:56] <inetpro> we just need people who are willing to step up and start arranging these events
[18:57] <pieter2627> should the ubuntu community arrange a linuxcon, or is this were Kilos's idea of getting involved with LUG's get into play?
[18:57] <clr_> that is where the challenge lies.  A lot of these around the world grew from the local lug meetup into something bigger
[18:58] <Kilos> i think working with lugs is  a good way 
[18:59] <pieter2627> Kilos: has this interaction lugs from us taken off yet?
[18:59] <Kilos> we all linux so why the apartheid
[18:59] <clr_> I agree, it must be all inclusive
[18:59] <Kilos> some of the durbs peeps were interested and jozilug but i see none of them here
[19:00] <Vince-0> get corporate sponsors, vendors, a venue, a schedule
[19:00] <Kilos> Vince-0 is here from durbs
[19:00] <Vince-0> oh and a committee 
[19:00]  * pieter2627 thinks this might be a good thing to start the interaction
[19:00] <Kilos> i forgot to mail wwk
[19:02] <pieter2627> will we try this to improve the lug interaction? (quick vote pls)
[19:02] <Kilos> Vince-0 can you chat to the durbs guys for us please
[19:02] <Kilos> prob is we work here and they use G+
[19:03] <Kilos> so we need someone on both platforms
[19:03] <pieter2627> can't we sort the probs after the plan of action...
[19:03] <Kilos> whatever works
[19:04] <pieter2627> a few here will probably be able to help
[19:05] <pieter2627> Kilos: can you contact the know lugs to see if they are keen?
[19:05] <Kilos> Vince-0 is here from dbnlug
[19:05] <Kilos> i forget who the jozilug guys were
[19:05] <Kilos> ive had a slack 2 months
[19:05] <pieter2627> and gremble is at tuks lug
[19:06] <Kilos> there were 3 of them here 3 months ago
[19:06] <pieter2627> so will you take the task for the month?
[19:06] <Kilos> Vince-0 ^^
[19:07] <Kilos> haha ill need 4 more weeks of mostly sleeping i think
[19:07] <pieter2627> ai, inetpro you up for it?
[19:07] <pieter2627> :P
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <Kilos> Vince-0 and gremble are the guys to get to help
[19:08] <Kilos> they are insiders in the lugs
[19:08] <Kilos> i will mail wwk in durbs again though
[19:09] <pieter2627> Vince-0: could you contact the others if Kilos gave you missing details?
[19:09] <inetpro> pieter2627: unfortunately no
[19:09]  * pieter2627 looking for a o/ here
[19:10]  * inetpro has too many forks in hands to handle
[19:11] <pieter2627> that seems to cover lugs involvement
[19:11]  * pieter2627 know the feeling
[19:11] <pieter2627> now for what i forgot - to create that Ubuntu-in-the-wild list on trello. will do it this month...
[19:11] <Kilos> oh my
[19:12] <pieter2627> can I move to next topic?
[19:12] <Kilos> ive totally even forgotten about trello
[19:12] <Kilos> yes
[19:12] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:12] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:12]  * Kilos votes for pieter2627
[19:12] <pieter2627> so anyone up for chairing the next meeting
[19:13] <inetpro> +1 for pieter2627
[19:13]  * pieter2627 still in
[19:13] <Kilos> can you manage it pieter2627 
[19:13] <Kilos> we need you 
[19:13] <pieter2627> Maaz_: agreed pieter2627 to chair Nov's meeting
[19:13] <Maaz_> Agreed: pieter2627 to chair Nov's meeting
[19:14] <Kilos> yay ty
[19:14] <pieter2627> Kilos: yes
[19:14] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:14] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:14] <pieter2627> Next one seems to be 24 Nov right?
[19:14]  * pieter2627 wonders what happens in Dec
[19:15] <Kilos> i think we have an ealy one if needed
[19:15] <Kilos> early
[19:15] <pieter2627> ah ok
[19:15] <Kilos> only if there is something needs discussing
[19:15] <pieter2627> Maaz_: agreed Next meeting is 24 November 2015 @ 20:30
[19:15] <Maaz_> Agreed: Next meeting is 24 November 2015 @ 20:30
[19:16] <inetpro> 22 dec should be fine
[19:16] <pieter2627> thanks all for joining hope to see at the next one
[19:16] <pieter2627> Maaz: end meeting
[19:16] <Maaz_> Meeting Ended
[19:16] <Maaz_> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-10-27-18-31-32.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-10-27-18-31-32.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-10-27-18-31-32.html
[19:16] <Kilos> you not on holiday inetpro 
[19:16] <Kilos> ty pieter2627 
[19:16] <pieter2627> np
[19:16]  * inetpro is always on holiday
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> i need a holiday
[19:17] <Kilos> long one
[19:17]  * pieter2627 just sometimes which IRC had an indicator for when others are typing so he knows when it is same to change topics
[19:17] <pieter2627> s/which/wish/
[19:18] <Kilos> ya that would be cool
[19:18] <pieter2627> agg s/same/safe/
[19:18] <Kilos> now its sit and wait
[19:18]  * pieter2627 is too tired it seems
[19:18] <Kilos> tired bug is in the air
[19:19] <pieter2627> oh no, what to wait for?
[19:19] <Kilos> answers
[19:20] <pieter2627> Kilos: you have another meeting?
[19:20] <Kilos> nono
[19:20] <Kilos> i meant
[19:20] <Kilos> with out the typing indicator
[19:21] <Kilos> like with pidgin
[19:21] <Kilos> i think africa gonna have another missed meeting tomorrow night
[19:22] <pieter2627> oh, thought you were talking about something else
[19:22] <Kilos> ill try remember to mail that list
[19:22] <Kilos> im half asleep here now
[19:22] <Kilos> hehe
[19:23] <Kilos> pieter2627 do you do g+
[19:23] <pieter2627> else we will fill in with the mail if you miss it so don't stress
[19:23] <pieter2627> i'm on it - have never used the social networks
[19:23] <Kilos> actually it seems all linux peeps are very busy
[19:24] <pieter2627> have only tweeted twice or so
[19:24] <Kilos> um
[19:24] <pieter2627> but am planning on using g+ soon for something
[19:24] <Kilos> the pro is the man
[19:24] <Kilos> but too busy
[19:24] <pieter2627> why do you ask?
[19:24] <Kilos> you uncapped
[19:24] <pieter2627> yes
[19:25] <Kilos> because i dont use it
[19:25] <Kilos> and the lugs all live there i think
[19:25] <Kilos> dbnlug hhave hangouts there
[19:26] <Kilos> once again must be someone with time
[19:26] <pieter2627> i see, well one can learn if needs be
[19:27]  * pieter2627 just would like to see all helping as they can
[19:28] <Kilos> lets see if we can get all the info and then you can join them in this coming month
[19:28] <Kilos> but come to think of it even the dbn mailing list has gone wuiet
[19:29] <Kilos> unless i broke something here again
[19:29] <Kilos> quiet
[19:29] <pieter2627> ok, lets do so
[19:29] <Kilos> whew
[19:29] <Kilos> ill mail wwk and let you know
[19:30] <Kilos> and Vince-0 can give us his details
[19:30] <pieter2627> great, chat again tomorrow - am tired typing in wrong order it seems
[19:30] <Kilos> yeah ty for chairing
[19:31] <pieter2627> np
[19:31] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[19:31] <pieter2627> night all
[19:32] <inetpro> good night pie[tab]
[19:32] <inetpro> oh and good night oom Kilos as well
[19:33] <Kilos> sleep tight inetpro 
[19:33] <Kilos> pas jou op man
[20:01] <superfly> new Axxess/Afrihost network... https://ipinfo.io/AS37611
[20:06] <superfly> Apparently I'm getting amazing speeds... http://pasteboard.co/1Hdu7XDS.png