[00:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:09] <knome> hey sean
[00:09] <bluesabre> hey pasi
[00:10] <knome> what's up?
[00:10] <bluesabre> nm, just got home from work and dinner
[00:12] <Unit193> Figured may as well backport the -pulseaudio- from the repos.
[00:17] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras/+packages oh right, forgot about the different dep.
[07:34] <flocculant> Unit193: changelog - didn't know apt-listchanges - but surely /usr/share won't help to see what's changed in a ppa before it's updated? 
[07:34] <Unit193> flocculant: Hah, correct.  Though, apt-listchanges can be noisy.
[07:35] <flocculant> rightio 
[07:36] <Unit193> flocculant: apt-listdifferences is even more fun. :P
[07:37] <flocculant> :)
[07:37] <flocculant> I can guess that :D
[07:40] <flocculant> Unit193: so all in all - checking the changelist on the ppa package detail page is the best option ?
[07:41] <Unit193> Likely.
[07:42] <flocculant> :)
[07:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks - fiddled a bit more with it - but you'll see that anyway :)
[09:02] <Unit193> xubuntu.xenial: Unit 193 <unit193@....com> xubuntu.xenial * 992 /  supported: Add xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin to supported
[09:23] <sorinel1o> Unit193, Hello. You wanted to PM me yesterday, but I was off. I'm on GMT+2.
[10:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: nice
[10:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also hit up whisker.
[10:58] <bluesabre> also good to see that supported started working for our packageset at some point
[10:58] <bluesabre> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/xubuntu
[10:58] <Unit193> Yes it did!
[10:58] <bluesabre> did you do that?
[10:59] <Unit193> Added supported to packageset?  No.
[10:59] <bluesabre> hm
[10:59] <bluesabre> maybe something just started working, or somebody fixed a bug in secret
[10:59] <bluesabre> :D
[11:01] <bluesabre> flocculant: well done, looks good
[11:38] <akxwi_dave> flocculant, I'm going thru some of the testcases for the packages, but the file  a bug link doesn't let me file one..
[11:49] <akxwi_dave> i'll post a failed for the moment with the bug details in comments and then file the bug report when it lets me.
[11:52] <akxwi_dave> ok change that to In-progress with the bugs in comments
[12:02] <akxwi_dave> off for lunch back later
[12:52] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: in for a short while - when you're back can you explain what "the file  a bug link " refers to :)
[13:03] <akxwi_dave> hi mate, when you are on the tracker, and go thru the testcase, at the bottom you have th option  to submit the failure or pass etc, on the  option to submit the pafiled, it has a link to File a big
[13:03] <akxwi_dave> bug*
[13:04] <akxwi_dave> when you lclick on it, it take you to a page that says... Bug reporting instructions for Xubuntu Desktop
[13:04] <akxwi_dave> You are currently on: Ubuntu Package Testing
[13:04] <akxwi_dave> This product doesn't have detailed bug reporting instructions yet.
[13:04] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: yea - never noticed that before :p
[13:06] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: basically report a bug with ubuntu-bug packagename (for non-ppa) or if that fails https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug
[13:06] <flocculant> changing the packagename to suit 
[13:06] <akxwi_dave> cheers will try it that way..
[13:06] <flocculant> then once you've got a number you can add it to a test result
[13:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: something I just thought of - if we keep getting fails - gmb say - we can disable that from testing, then re-enable it when we know there's a fix
[13:08] <flocculant> could get that kind of info on qa trello for testers so they know not to bother 
[13:19] <akxwi_dave> cheers flocculant, reported those bugs
[13:57] <akxwi_dave> bbl
[17:45] <dkessel> yay, xenial images are there :)
[17:46]  * drc bets that if one installs that image, it'll still say 15.10 wily :)
[17:48] <dkessel> probably :)
[17:49] <dkessel> just like everytime
[17:58] <flocculant> I would be extremely surprised if that wasn't the case :)
[17:59] <flocculant> dkessel: did you catch my ping the other day re autopkg tests? 
[18:00] <dkessel> flocculant: yup thanks. i'll have a look and only add it back if i am sure something will happen
[18:00] <flocculant> yep - works for me :)
[18:24] <dkessel> bluesabre, would it be possible to build the mousepad version in the xubuntu-dev PPA against GTK3, just like the version in wily/xenial?
[18:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: something odd in xenial - just did an update - now have both evince-gtk and evince installed 
[18:34] <flocculant> -gtk now appears to have evince as a depends
[18:35] <flocculant> knome: when you've a handful of minutes :p
[18:40] <dkessel> do we need to remove some dependencies on python2 in our default packages, or is there nothing left to do for us? i noticed normal ubuntu wants to move to a python3 default installation
[18:41] <flocculant> no idea myself 
[19:38] <Noskcaj> flocculant, debian is making evince-gtk go away
[19:38] <flocculant> mmm
[19:39] <flocculant> Noskcaj: k - thanks - now I can't see why we went to -gtk
[19:39] <Noskcaj> lowering deps, but really it's just the two minor ones listed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755071
[19:40] <knome> flocculant, hello
[19:41] <flocculant> knome: hey :)
[19:41] <flocculant> I'm thinking about the contribute page again ... 
[19:41] <knome> yep
[19:42] <flocculant> and now wondering if wiki -> /Xubuntu/Testing/few child pages 
[19:42] <flocculant> is a better way of dealing with it 
[19:43] <flocculant> pro's being that each page can grow easily as needed/or shrink
[19:43] <flocculant> con - being that we've not much control - other than reverting a change
[19:43] <flocculant> just wondered what you thought of that 
[19:45] <flocculant> then just have basic information on website pointing elsewhere as necessary
[19:48] <flocculant> I want to try and start including those like akxwi in stuff tbh 
[19:49] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you have any issues with reverting the evince-gtk dep?
[19:54] <flocculant> Noskcaj: so reading that - the reasoning is one person didn't like there being 2 evinces? 
[19:55] <Noskcaj> it doubled the build time, and was mostly unneeded.
[19:55] <flocculant> apart from the bits that obviously caused us to move to -gtk from evince
[19:55] <Noskcaj> We seem to already have all the r-deps, so in it's current state this isn't an issue for us
[19:56] <Noskcaj> since the nautilus thing was dropped
[19:56] <flocculant> right - as I said I'm not finding why we did it
[19:57] <Noskcaj> killing the nautilus dep i think
[19:58] <knome> flocculant, sorry for disappearing...
[19:58] <knome> flocculant, anyway, i really wouldn't want to start using the wiki more :(
[19:58] <flocculant> knome: that's ok :)
[19:59] <knome> slickymaster, you around?
[19:59] <flocculant> knome: I realise that - but frankly editing website is just a pain 
[19:59] <flocculant> not the actual editing - the only *foo* can
[19:59] <knome> flocculant, yep, i'm not exactly saying we should use the website either
[20:00] <knome> flocculant, maybe the docbook way would be the best, even if it means people need to be able to write docbook...
[20:00] <flocculant> my issue is making the information both as encyclopaedic as we need and in as short a text per subject as possible
[20:00] <flocculant> and a website page 6 metres long won't be much fun :)
[20:01] <knome> yep
[20:01] <Unit193> TBH, Docbook isn't as nice as other markup languages.
[20:01] <flocculant> knome: re docbook - I don't care one way or the other - but then where does it land for people to read
[20:01] <knome> Unit193, but we already use fit for docs
[20:02] <knome> flocculant, as i said before, it can be any subdomain on xubuntu.org
[20:02] <knome> flocculant, or docs.xubuntu.org/developers
[20:02] <knome> flocculant, and we can ship it in pdf
[20:02] <knome> Unit193, s/fit/it/
[20:02] <flocculant> so we could docs.xubuntu.org/qa then sub pages? 
[20:02] <Unit193> I gathered that, and know that yep.
[20:03] <knome> flocculant, well, i'd make one documentation for all contributor documentation
[20:03] <knome> flocculant, so sth like docs.xubuntu.org/contributors and then same index as the regular docs
[20:03] <knome> and structure
[20:03] <flocculant> right ok - so long as there are *pages* 
[20:03] <knome> sure
[20:04] <knome> comparing to http://docs.xubuntu.org/1504/C/index.html
[20:04] <knome> i would imagine QA would be in the same level as "What is Xubuntu?"
[20:04] <knome> and different subtopics under that
[20:04] <flocculant> so say Developer section > Chapters, QA section > Chapters
[20:04] <flocculant> yep 
[20:04] <knome> i know the chapters are currently shown all on one page
[20:04] <knome> but that can be changed
[20:05] <knome> if we feel like it's necessary
[20:05] <knome> then also,
[20:05] <knome> appendix for basic stuff
[20:05] <knome> like "how to register a launchpad account"
[20:05] <flocculant> so front page could just be Dev/QA/Docs for instance
[20:05] <flocculant> yep
[20:05] <knome> and "how to work with bzr"
[20:05] <flocculant> saved me typing ... 
[20:05] <flocculant> lol
[20:06] <knome> yes, the front page would be a very simple index with a nice hello message
[20:06] <flocculant> ok - so I can work with that plan - as long as it's not 16.10 :D
[20:07] <knome> as i said before and as you know, we have the doc building process ready 
[20:07] <knome> so we just need to copy that and start working on the docbook stuff
[20:07] <knome> but i'd like to quickly run this through slickymaster 
[20:07] <knome> to make sure he doesn't completely disagree
[20:07] <flocculant> yea yea - I understand we have the behind curtain available
[20:08] <knome> yep, what i'm saying is that there isn't nothing that is slowing us down except ourselves :P
[20:09] <flocculant> :D
[20:14] <knome> bbiab
[20:22] <flocculant> http://xubuntu.org/?p=3559&preview=true
[20:22] <flocculant> biab too
[20:25] <Unit193> Also, will pop the new -pulseaudio- into Extras, want -staging too?
[20:50] <flocculant> Unit193: I guess you're not asking me - but I have extras so ... 
[20:50] <flocculant> hi akxwi-dave - re the bug reporting link - fixed
[20:50] <Unit193> flocculant: Honestly?  You'd likely care the most.
[20:51] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: re the other bug - I changed the package - but the fix is done now
[20:51] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - so I'll see if from extras is what I meant :)
[20:51] <flocculant> at least it'll be fairly simple to tell you my world imploded :D
[20:52] <akxwi-dave> cheers floc, will re-run those test
[20:52] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: shouldn't need to do that - I saw the issue so I know it's fixed :)
[20:52] <flocculant> wasn't actually a package problem but a testcase one
[20:53] <akxwi-dave> ok mate.. :-) 
[20:53] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: also - better to tab people's whole name in IRC - if I wandered off I'd not see floc :p
[20:54] <flocculant> Unit193: what's the soundmenu plugin? possible replacement? 
[20:56] <Unit193> soundmenu is the mpris2 (media controls) panel plugin, we liked pulseaudio better and want that to grow them.
[20:56] <flocculant> k 
[20:58] <akxwi-dave> Just a quick question on testcases, if I have run some under a vm, would you want those re-doing on real hardware as well? I knwo some would be better on real hardware like power manger etc? 
[20:58] <flocculant> if something doesn't run properly in a vm - there should be a note to say that
[20:59] <flocculant> generally for a package testing in a vm is enough to check it works as expected
[20:59] <akxwi-dave> thanks flocculant.. just wanted to ensure that i don't go to overboard..:-)
[21:00] <flocculant> you won't go overboard :)
[21:00] <flocculant> there's no such thing as too much testing in relation to having ~10 people regularly test things :D
[21:01] <akxwi-dave> nice to know, well time for the wife and wine, have a good evening all
[21:01] <flocculant> thanks akxwi-dave :)
[21:18] <flocculant> Unit193: oh - did it fail to build for xenial? 
[21:46] <flocculant> knome: when you get time can you check out the draft post on x.org :)
[21:48] <knome> yep
[21:48] <flocculant> ta 
[22:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:09] <flocculant> evening bluesabre 
[22:09] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: probably fine to go ahead and return to evince
[22:09] <bluesabre> flocculant: I like the idea of disabling a test if its known to already fail
[22:10] <flocculant> I'd not thought of that before 
[22:10] <bluesabre> dkessel: yes, I think that would be logical for -gtk3 mousepad builds to be in the ppa :)
[22:10] <flocculant> seems a bit silly to leave it there till we know it's fixed 
[22:10] <bluesabre> agreed
[22:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll go ahead as and when then - just need some sort of agreement about how much fail is enough :D
[22:11] <flocculant> take gmb - fails when closing - I'd remove it 
[22:11] <flocculant> and fails all the time - not one person here and there 
[22:11] <bluesabre> maybe 3 "me toos" and 1 "still affects me, when is it getting fixed?"
[22:12] <bluesabre> :)
[22:12] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - that sounds fair :)
[22:12] <flocculant> I'll disable gmb then :D
[22:12] <bluesabre> :D
[22:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: it is mentioned in a post I've got drafted - but adding them to disabled test list at https://trello.com/b/IV66JCHl/xubuntu-qa
[22:13] <bluesabre> :)
[22:14] <Unit193> flocculant: ...I haven't gotten to it yet. :3
[22:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...I'm not supposed to update gmb?
[22:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: I did check to make sure we didn't lose results from the tracker by the way :)
[22:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: please update gmb
[22:16] <flocculant> thought that got turned off ... going to get noisy while I try remembering how to do something ... 
[22:17] <knome> flocculant, i poked many places in the article - mostly just saying things in a better form
[22:18] <flocculant> well - depends if it still says what I want it to ;)
[22:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: K, was going to take a vcs snapshot of Debian.
[22:18] <flocculant> oh my 
[22:19] <flocculant> read that as vlc and shuddered violently 
[22:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: good deal
[22:19] <Unit193> Yeeeah, not touching VLC.  Was thinking about doing xscreensaver merge, if I can line up a sponsor.
[22:20] <bluesabre> bbiab
[22:20] <slickymaster> I am now knome 
[22:20] <slickymaster> evening all
[22:20] <flocculant> hi slickymaster 
[22:20] <slickymaster> hey flocculant 
[22:21] <knome> slickymaster, see the discussion about contributor docs just begore that ping
[22:21]  * slickymaster goes through the backlog
[22:21] <knome> *before
[22:21] <knome> flocculant, should do
[22:26] <slickymaster> I don't disagree at all, knome 
[22:26] <slickymaster> flocculant ^^
[22:27] <knome> ok
[22:27] <slickymaster> tbh today I took a look at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ and it's a big wall of thext
[22:27] <knome> slickymaster, some of that is totally moving to the contributor docs
[22:28] <knome> slickymaster, that's part of the reason we want one :P
[22:28] <slickymaster> thing is, pages tend to grow
[22:28] <slickymaster> not the other way around
[22:28] <knome> once we have that, we can keep the stuff on the website at minimum
[22:28] <knome> even just one page
[22:28] <slickymaster> yeah, and even though Unit193could be right about the docbook markup value, we do have it now
[22:29] <slickymaster> ãnd we already have a structure build with it
[22:29] <slickymaster> so it's only natural to use it, imo
[22:29] <flocculant> slickymaster: "big wall of thext" which is why I'm wanting to do something else 
[22:29] <knome> flocculant, as i just said... ;)
[22:29] <slickymaster> yeaps, and that's why I agree with you two
[22:29] <flocculant> probably - fighting trello too ... ;)
[22:30] <slickymaster> hm hm
[22:30] <knome> flocculant, stop typing, you'll just end up repeating me anyway!
[22:30] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[22:30] <slickymaster> and besides, we do have a few of us able to cope with docbook markup anyway
[22:31]  * slickymaster is +1 on that idea
[22:31] <flocculant> the other day I did fight with the current qa page and docbook so can get a draft on there pretty swiftly to see how it pans out
[22:33] <slickymaster> flocculant, practice makes perfection 
[22:33] <flocculant> perfect
[22:33] <flocculant> :p
[22:33] <slickymaster> ok ok :P
[22:34] <Unit193> slickymaster: My point wasn't that the docs could be something other than docbook, but that we wouldn't have to use it with new stuff.
[22:34] <Unit193> flocculant: As knome pointed out to me, if people don't like the notifications, it's simple to ignore.  Unless there's another issue.
[22:35] <flocculant> nah - not too worried you all know I do something then kill it and have another go :p
[22:36] <Unit193> (Notices don't get logged nor ping me. :D )
[22:37] <slickymaster> ok Unit193, I misinterpreted you
[22:37] <flocculant> Unit193: yep - saw that afterwards :p
[22:37] <slickymaster> flocculant, are these already made tests your's? http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases
[22:38] <slickymaster> * yours
[22:38] <flocculant> knome: ack - that works for me - I'm logged in and can press the button
[22:38] <flocculant> slickymaster: those are the pkg testsuites we're using this cycle yes
[22:39] <slickymaster> that's not what I'm asking flocculant
[22:39] <flocculant> ok - what are you asking then - not sure what you mean :)
[22:40] <slickymaster> what I'm asking is if it was you who run them and report the bugs?
[22:40] <flocculant> oic 
[22:40] <flocculant> a couple - akxwi did a bunch too
[22:41] <slickymaster> there are already three tests registred
[22:41] <slickymaster> ok
[22:41] <slickymaster> correction, six tests
[22:41] <flocculant> yep
[22:42] <Unit193> I got a VM on xenial at least..
[22:42] <slickymaster> I'll run a couple tomorrow
[22:42] <ochosi> evening all
[22:42] <slickymaster> evening ochosi 
[22:43] <flocculant> evening ochosi :)
[22:44] <flocculant> knome: also - thanks for looking and those changes - should trust you more :p
[22:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: I presume you saw new python is default?
[22:54] <flocculant> right - I'm just flailing about now :p
[22:55] <flocculant> knome: not sure if you wanted to do anymore to that page - if not I'm happy for that to publish
[22:55] <flocculant> night all :)
[22:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, what about libdvdcss2 and gst1.0 for restricted?
[22:57] <slickymaster> night flocculant 
[23:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'm no longer maintaining -pa- for trusty. :P
[23:26] <bluesabre> back
[23:26] <Unit193> Wow, yer slow, SwissBot.
[23:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, python3 is now default for xenial, catfish, menulibre, mugshot should all be functional
[23:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: 3.4*
[23:27] <bluesabre> 3.4?
[23:27] <bluesabre> I thought 3.5 was the goal
[23:27] <Unit193> Fine, that's the one! :P
[23:27] <Unit193> !info python3 xenial
[23:28]  * bluesabre might be wrong
[23:28] <Unit193> Nope, you're good.
[23:28] <bluesabre> woot
[23:30] <bluesabre> and oh yeah, libdvdcss2 exists now
[23:31] <ochosi> +1 on Unit193's suggestions
[23:31] <bluesabre> Unit193 is on a roll lately
[23:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Been tracking that since saucy or so. :P
[23:32] <bluesabre> :D
[23:32] <bluesabre> hi ochosi 
[23:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: And, it's cooler, I'm finally up and running again. :P
[23:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://sigma.unit193.net/source/gmusicbrowser_1.1.15~ds0-0ubuntu1.dsc ?
[23:32] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[23:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: great stuff, I've been slightly less useful the past few days, hoping to have a burst of productivity this weekend
[23:33] <ochosi> btw, not sure what that thing really is that i linked there on g+, i just remembered that elementary had developed a small helper to login on wifis that need that
[23:33] <ochosi> and if it's only that it could be interesting
[23:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, I'd have to take a better look at it (take an elementary iso to starbucks)
[23:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Review?
[23:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll take a look now
[23:34] <Unit193> Danke.
[23:38] <bluesabre> initial review looks good
[23:38] <bluesabre> building it now
[23:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: builds cleanly, installs fine, runs, still crashes on close, so it seems no worse than where we currently stand :)
[23:49] <Unit193> "Great"
[23:55] <Unit193> Ubuntu Installer (5K) [ubuntu/xenial-proposed] gmusicbrowser 1.1.15~ds0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)   :3
[23:58] <bluesabre> yay