[01:55] <Matt526> So is 15.10 stuck with it's current Qt version or is there hope of it being updated in the future?
[03:57] <Igor_> Hi, I start Kubuntu, but there is a black screen after "kubuntu" logo. Alt + Ctrl + F1 doesn't work/
[03:59] <Igor_> Yesterday I reinstall Redis and kill some baloo process that eated a lot of memory, made update..
[04:15] <superfluffypunch> Hello
[04:15] <superfluffypunch> anyone else here feel that KDE is............bloated?
[04:18] <meows> Yeah. but some tools is useful.
[04:19] <meows> It 's convient for me.
[04:19] <superfluffypunch> and I hate how it randomly crashes
[04:20] <superfluffypunch> would really like to try a desktop environment that's 'flashy' like kde plasma
[04:20] <superfluffypunch> but functional
[04:26] <meows> Yes. for work, i would like to use stable DE. My kde5 crash sometime too. but I just try it. I like it and hope it more stable.
[04:28] <Igor_> Which stable DE do you prefer?
[04:31] <meows> cinnamon. It's simple and fast.
[04:35] <Igor_> Is it better than Mate?
[04:39] <denza242> Igor_: better is subjective. I'd just try both and see which one you like tbh
[04:40] <Igor_> Yeah, I mean for work
[04:41] <Igor_> More stable, faster etc
[04:48] <superfluffypunch> I tried linux mint
[04:48] <superfluffypunch> with cinnamon
[04:48] <superfluffypunch> wasn't too crazy about it
[04:48] <superfluffypunch> but looking back
[04:48] <superfluffypunch> I might consider it better than kubuntu/kde
[04:48] <superfluffypunch> now that I think of it
[05:03] <robin__> In dolphin, can anyone verify that the ark context menu shortcuts still exist in 15.10? I upgraded and then noticed they weren't there, but I'm not sure if the two are related.
[06:46] <brett23mcg> Report bugs in plasma?
[06:47]  * brett23mcg slaps Bigcheese around a bit with a large fishbot
[07:54] <est31> dolphin is missing an icon in my start menu what happened?
[08:55] <alvin> robin__: I'm missing that menu too
[09:18] <lgiordani> I have a problem with a fresh installation of Kubuntu Wily. Dolphin cannot preview PDFs. I installed the kdegraphics-thumbnailers package, but this installs things in /usr/lib/kde4 (e.g. /usr/lib/kde4/gsthumbnail.so) and /usr/share/kde4/services (e.g. /usr/share/kde4/services/gsthumbnail.desktop). New services are however in /usr/share/kservices5. Indeed Dolphin does not show in Control -> Configure -> General -> Preview any plu
[09:18] <lgiordani> Any help about this issue?
[09:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:21] <lgiordani> Moreover, there are two installed jpegthumbnail.so, one coming from kde-runtime (/usr/lib/kde4/jpegthumbnail.so) and another coming from kio-extras (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/jpegthumbnail.so). What's the difference?
[10:05] <Eluus> is it possible to change how the alt+tab menu looks?
[10:09] <hateball> Eluus: Yes
[10:21] <Eluus> hateball: how do you change it?
[10:22] <hateball> Eluus: alt+space -> effects
[10:22] <hateball> somewhere there, I am on KDE 4.x now so not sure where it is in Plasma 5
[10:22] <hateball> but... you'll find it
[10:23] <alvin> How do I migrate kwallet4 to kwallet5? Manually? Apparently this didn't happen.
[10:31] <Eluus> hateball: I can't find any setting for the task switcher (alt+tab thing)
[10:31] <hateball> well it's there
[10:31] <hateball> I just am not on 5.x now so I cant tell you exactly where, probably someone else can in a while
[10:32] <Eluus> o wait I found it in system settings
[10:32] <Eluus> I guess they've changed it
[10:33] <Eluus> but there's no option to change the way it looks
[10:36] <hateball> Eluus: you should be able to choose between different task switchers
[10:36] <Eluus> k let's see if I can find it
[10:45] <ktosiek> is the 14.04.3 x64 installation media broken?
[10:46] <ktosiek> I've checked the md5, but the installer tells me there's an I/O error when installing
[10:46] <lordievader> Sounds more like a problem with either the cd/usb or hdd than the image.
[10:47] <Eluus> hateball: there's no "cover switch" effect option on plasma 5.4 :(
[10:47] <Eluus> that seems pretty good
[10:50] <Eluus> but here it says there should be the "cover switch" option, does anyone know why I don't have it?
[10:50] <Eluus> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kde-workspace/kcontrol/kwintabbox/index.html
[10:50] <ktosiek> I see squashfs errors in dmesg, and earlier an USB reset
[10:51] <ktosiek> hmm
[10:51] <lordievader> ktosiek: Try another usb stick?
[10:52] <ktosiek> hmm, it looks dead now O_O
[10:55] <s_20> is there a way to configure how long a notification pop up stays open?
[10:55] <s_20> a friend of mine is having problems with that, they won't go away and if you actually hover the mouse on it it becomes blurry
[10:55] <s_20> so there's no way to close it
[10:57] <Eluus> the update notification doesn't change after I apply all the updates, how do I fix that?
[10:58] <yossarianuk> not a happy camper -> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/3qazjs/kubuntu_1510_is_a_mess_what_are_the_alternatives/
[10:59] <yossarianuk> to be honest with the exception of Intel GPU (major) issues and slow login time Kubuntu 15.10 seems good to me (intel issues solved by changing kwin's vsync to NEVER)
[11:05] <ktosiek> ok, I've read the whole drive with dd before installation and it still failed half way through
[11:06] <ktosiek> I mean, dd succeeded, installation failed
[11:29] <yossarianuk> ktosiek: sounds like install media issues - try another stick / DVD
[11:30] <ktosiek> I'll try another stick
[11:31] <alvin> yossarianuk: It IS a mess. Dualscreen does not work (unless you restart plasmashell), you can't erase or move mails with kmail, all passwords from kwallet are gone. We now have 2 speaker items in the tray? Starting minimized applications still doesn't work. Font preview is still garbled. No, the user experience is less than stellar. I'm also looking around a bit, although I have to admit that other distributions do have some of the same bugs.
[11:31] <alvin> The forced release date may be to blame. I don't know.
[11:32] <hateball> meh, apt-get remove kmix
[11:32] <hateball> also isnt this more like !ot discussion :)
[11:33] <alvin> Not as long as we stick to Kubuntu issues :-)
[11:34] <alvin> Usually I can live with the occasional bug, but my wife is complaining really hard about not being able to delete mail
[11:34] <alvin> So finding a solution is a priority
[11:35] <hateball> Well, the solution to your speaker problem is: apt-get remove kmix
[11:35] <alvin> Are you sure?
[11:35] <hateball> I did so on my own machine and it works fine
[11:36] <hateball> Not on plasma 5 / 15.10 now so cant say for the other stuff
[11:36] <alvin> ok, aptitude why couldn't find a reason to keep it. Purge it is
[11:36] <hateball> I don't remember if you need to re-assign media keys for volume or not
[11:37] <hateball> if you use them, that is
[11:38] <alvin> seems to work now. I'll reboot and see if they still do
[11:40] <s_20> so
[11:41] <s_20> i just switched to 15.10 myself and my task/activity/whatever bar is *gone*
[11:41] <s_20> wow, there it is
[11:41] <s_20> after about 5 minutes of having logged in
[11:44] <alvin> hateball: Well, audio still works, but I can no longer connect the bluetooth headphones I was using before removing kmix. What weirdness is this
[11:45] <alvin> Wait, ignore that. Used wrong mouse button
[11:45] <alvin> multimedia keys also still work. Removing kmix was sound advice
[11:50] <yossarianuk> s_20: there is a slow login bug - being fixed hopefully soon.
[11:51] <alvin> That's a bug I don't have. Can someone exchange his 'slow login' with my 'unable to delete mail'?
[11:52] <alvin> (imagine being able to swap bugs)
[11:53] <lordievader> alvin: I think you can only acumulate bugs, not swap... :P
[11:58] <yossarianuk> alvin: not having dual screen issues at work (intel) I do have the issue randomly at home (nvidia)
[11:59] <yossarianuk> just going to system-settings -> display fixes it usually,
[11:59] <alvin> yossarianuk: I have the dual screen issue at work (Intel too). I fix it by running 'kquitapp5 plasmashell; kstart5 plasmashell' (Someone here told me)
[11:59] <yossarianuk> however with Intel GPU by default my system starts to freak out like its on Acid - totally unusable screen , really odd - like a broken analogue video
[12:00] <alvin> Don't get me started about the pc at home! (nvidia). I have a BLANK screen during boot. encrypted HDD, so I have to guess when to type my password. After a while KDE starts...
[12:00] <yossarianuk> alvin: try goint to the display settings - change any setting, enable 2nd monitor - click apply
[12:00] <hateball> alvin: hopefully nvidias new driver with KMS support is out soon, that should solve that
[12:01] <alvin> 15.04 didn't have that problem, but ok
[12:01]  * alvin is accumulating bugs
[12:01] <yossarianuk> alvin: thats a plymouth issue
[12:01] <yossarianuk> you can enable boot messages so you can see whats going on
[12:01] <yossarianuk> When I first started using Linux every distro easily showed you boot messages
[12:02] <yossarianuk> hiding them is windows like
[12:02] <alvin> yossarianuk: True, and I tried that. But that is a long time ago. Now everything starts at once and boot messages are, well. It's not like it used to be. When you could see and know where and what went wrong
[12:02] <hateball> If you're a power user that needs to see boot messages you can quite easily disable the splash
[12:02] <yossarianuk> alvin: -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/558366/how-to-show-boot-messages-in-14-10
[12:02] <alvin> If only this notebook would have another wifi chip I'd be running BSD
[12:03] <yossarianuk> why BSD ?
[12:03] <alvin> With splash disabled it's still not clear when to type the cryptsetup pasword. Actually the plymouth password field (when visible) is more clear
[12:03] <yossarianuk> be like heading 15 years backwards in terms of h/w support, gaming , etc
[12:04] <alvin> Good question. I like the separation of base OS/kernel and ports. It's much, much more stable.
[12:04] <yossarianuk> alvin: gentoo/arch ?
[12:04] <hateball> It's nice how we have an offtopic channel for things like this so it's easy to see actual support requests
[12:04] <alvin> In those there's always something that breaks. No, I have the best experience with Kubuntu actually.
[12:05] <alvin> ok, but this started with kmail - can't delete messages. That's a support request.
[12:05] <yossarianuk> hateball: I did start off explaining how to get boot messages on kubuntu...
[14:32] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:33] <GhostRoeyOoOoOo> hi BluesKaj
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hey Roey
[15:28] <Redpike> hello all! how much i need a free space of disk for Kubuntu?
[15:29] <squash> my 3 day old install is using under 15gb with a bunch of apps and data installed
[15:30] <Redpike> so nice :) i have partition with 30gb free space, and another large partition for data
[15:30] <Redpike> tell me, can i easly install Kubuntu near my Windows 7?
[15:31] <squash> I can't help you with that I'm afraid
[15:32] <Redpike> hmmm :( if you know what i mean, if i will install ubuntu, i will can choose option to install ubuntu near windows
[15:32] <Redpike> but the question is, can i do this with Kubuntu
[15:33] <squash> I understand the question, I have not had windows since 1996 so I can't give you advice
[15:34] <Redpike> i wanna try Kubuntu, this GUI is perfect for me, im a junior java dev so i will install 2nd OS for devs programs
[15:34] <Redpike> windows for music, games etc etc, linux for deving
[15:41] <Redpike> guys, please tell me
[15:41] <Redpike> can i easly install Kubuntu near my Windows 7?
[15:43] <genii> Redpike: You could install it onto that 30G partition
[15:45] <denza242> Redpike: when you say near, do you mean the two partitions will be next to each other?
[15:45] <denza242> I think that's possible
[15:45] <marco-parillo> If the partition you want to install into already exists, you should see it here: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#Manual
[15:45] <yofel> Redpike: the installer has an option to install alongside windows. But if you already have the partition prepared you'll probably want to go the manual partitioning way. There just set your new partition as kubuntu root and you'll later be able to select what you want to boot
[15:46] <yofel> and do follow that link ^
[15:46] <denza242> If it's formatted as NTFS however, you'll need to reformat it
[15:46] <denza242> because running loonix on NTFS is a pain
[15:47] <yofel> uhm, I think NTFS as / is impossible ... (or at least not sure why you would want to do that)
[15:47] <dlong> Hey guys, I need some help with my microphone setup.  I launched pavucontrol and my mic is detected as an input device and detects sound just fine.  However, I can't get applications to use it as a recording device.  There is nothing listed in the recording devices tab of pavucontrol.  Any help would be appreciated.
[15:47] <yofel> but the partitioner will auto-format the drive
[15:47]  * yofel wonders who came up with the arbitrary 25G number on the installation manual
[15:51] <Redpike> @yofel - thanks for the response, so i need to change ntfs to fat32 and then install kubuntu, and after turning on my pc i will see boot gui with my OSes?
[15:53] <Redpike> im new in linux so please respect my ignorance :D
[15:53] <yofel> Redpike: just set the partition to / in the manual partitioning, that should default to formatting it as ext4. And yes, you'll see a boot gui with our systems after the install
[15:53] <rodolfojcj> Redpike: I think the Windows partition will continue on a NTFS partition and the Kubuntu partition on ext
[15:53] <rodolfojcj> ext4
[15:53] <yofel> just make sure you don't accidentally format your windows partition
[15:53] <yofel> (sounds obvious, but happens...)
[15:54] <Redpike> sure :) what do you think about my idea, Windows for media, games etc and Kubuntu for dev and programming (in Java, Oracle etc)
[15:55] <rodolfojcj> Redpike: the installer will take your original Windows partition space, then will resize it to open some space to be used for the Kubuntu OS and at the end both systems will co-exist, each one with its own partition
[15:55] <yofel> sounds reasonable. Kubuntu could probably also handle the media part and games to some extend, but for latter you'll usually want windows
[15:55] <yofel> rodolfojcj: he already has a seperate partition
[15:56] <rodolfojcj> ok
[15:56] <yofel> in that case the installer would make yet another partition and leave the spare one untouched
[15:56] <yofel> (I think)
[15:56] <rodolfojcj> I think Kubuntu will fit most of those usages, except the gaming part
[15:57] <denza242> wine :}
[15:57] <Redpike> really thanks guys for the answers
[15:58] <Redpike> !
[15:58] <Redpike> it's really good to meet some people like you :)
[15:58] <rodolfojcj> well, I'm more of a software developer than a gamer. I remember I used Wine to run Unreal Tournament GOTY 1999 and Age of Empires I and II and it worked fine
[15:59] <Redpike> i spent my life with windows, and now i want to change something, try something new :)
[15:59] <rodolfojcj> I don't know about the current state of Wine or the gaming experience
[16:00] <rodolfojcj> for the programming part with Java, you're covered with any Linux distribution based on a hardware compatible with the JVM
[16:00] <Redpike> i see, but Kubuntu GUI is really nice :)
[16:00] <rodolfojcj> or the Java stuff created by the OpenJDK project
[16:00] <Redpike> and these programs, good stuf
[16:00] <Redpike> stuff*
[16:02] <rodolfojcj> also, you could use IDEs like Netbeans and Eclipse, or use nice text editors like Kate, Sublime, Vim, etc. I personally use Kate and Vim (this last one via Konsole terminal or via Yakuake terminal)
[16:04] <BluesKaj> yup  yakuake is great, f12 and it's there
[16:05] <rodolfojcj> Redpike: and you can learn other nice software development topics, like Python, Ruby, Erlang, Elixir as programming languages; Django as a web framework, etc, etc, etc
[16:05] <Redpike> for me best Java IDE is Intellij :)
[16:05] <Smurphy> What's the best PHP IDE ?
[16:06] <Smurphy> I still work with emacs-nox :)
[16:06] <rodolfojcj> I developed software based on Java, but there are nicer and more open alternatives
[16:06] <rodolfojcj> in my point of view
[16:06] <yofel> for PHP I would say PhpStorm if you don't mind proprietary IDEs, otherwise probably Aptana
[16:07] <Smurphy> For me - java is an enterprise crap. bloatware and unstable as hell.
[16:07] <Redpike> @rodolfojcj sure :)
[16:07] <Smurphy> Aptana ? I'll check it out, thx. Don't like proprietary stuff.
[16:07] <Redpike> @Smurphy thats why i hate php :D
[16:08] <Redpike> i can't describe why
[16:08] <rodolfojcj> nonetheless, in the Java world there are interesting initiatives, like Grails, Groovy (very useful language), Clojure, Scala, Play framework, etc
[16:08] <Redpike> i can't learn it
[16:08] <BluesKaj> what's bugging me atm is system settings 5 as root will not remember font, colour, icon etc for editing files in kate or dolphin , it's become a real pita
[16:09] <Smurphy> Redpike: Most issues with PHP is that it's very easy to use. However, if you don't know the systems it will run on, and have no basic idea of security, you program crap.
[16:09] <Redpike> @rodolfojcj i'm using javaee with cdi, ejb, hibernate, jpa, jsf, richfaces, mockito, glassfish
[16:09] <Smurphy> The Java guys just assume that the JVM will take care of all that (system and security), then come the fact that the projects are large and hadned over several generations of consultants, and you have crapsicle software in the end.
[16:10] <rodolfojcj> Redpike: then you'll need a machine with powerful hardware
[16:11] <rodolfojcj> my current Kubuntu machine with 4GB of RAM is of no practical use to develop Java based software. Too slow, too heavy
[16:12] <Redpike> @rodolfojcj i think i have it, intel i7, 8gb of ram
[16:12] <yofel> that depends on the use case. You probably don't want to write a high performance website in java, but there are plenty of cases where it's a good choice for webservices
[16:12] <Smurphy> rodolfojcj: got a Mac mini 6.2, i7 2.6 Quadcore CPU, 16GB Ram and 250GB SSD :) Ok for development while listening to Music :D
[16:12] <rodolfojcj> but it's very useful to develop software based on other technologies. Runs lighter and I can use it at the same time with other applications
[16:12] <rodolfojcj> je je je
[16:13] <rodolfojcj> my machine is at least 2 generations older, but thanks to Linux and free software, I've prolonged its useful lifetime
[16:14] <Redpike> as all of older computers :)
[16:43] <Michel_> hi, i installed 15.10 and now can't log in. (loop bug). i tried to remove .Xauthority, reinstall xorg. nothing helps
[16:47] <drleviathan> Michel_, do you have the virtual terminals availble?  CTRL + ALT + SHIFT + F1  through F5 or F6  (or something like that)
[16:48] <drleviathan> My experience has been that "unable to login" means that the X-server can't start, so it really means "unable to login to GUI mode".
[16:48] <Pinka341> how can I change the default file manager for all new users? For some reason gwenview is set as the default for a fresh kubuntu install, even though it is really an image viewer and not file manager.
[16:50] <drleviathan> Michel_, my solution to that problem has been to go into virtual terminal, move my home dir to the side (/home/old-username) and then create an empty home dir (/home/username) and then login via the gui --> a fresh configuration will be copied to the new homdir.
[16:51] <drleviathan> Then I move all the stuff I want to keep from old-username to username.
[16:51] <drleviathan> Being careful not to copy old kde configs from ~/.config
[17:12] <kipi2> hello, I am wondering if upload to picasa works using kipi (inside gwenview) for any of you. I am in trusty-kubuntu but authentification fails :-(
[17:12] <kipi2> can anyone please check?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> kipi2, looks like you have to upload from the picasa/google site
[17:54] <keithzg> Google has been changing that product a *lot* over the past while.
[17:55] <Abrileo> Hello, just did a clean kubutu installation and when iI put my pass it appears a blackscreen and my mouse, when i press alt and f2 appears the command bar, anyhelp please o
[18:02] <Abrileo> No one know what can be happening?
[18:02] <drleviathan> Abrileo, you say a "clean" kubuntu install?  You repartitioned or wiped the data clean?
[18:05] <drleviathan> My experience has been that I sometimes get a black screen when installing a new kubuntu over pre-existing homedir that is preserved.
[18:06] <Abrileo> Wiped data, clean install
[18:08] <drleviathan> Abrileo, you have access to the virtual terminals?  CTRL + ALT + SHIFT + F2 or something?  Maybe it is ALT + F2... they don't work on this MBP of mine.
[18:09] <drleviathan> or maybe they do... CTRL + ALT + F2 works... but I get a blank screen (can't see the text)
[18:09] <drleviathan> maybe it works for you Abrileo?
[18:09] <drleviathan> you should get to a command-line login prompt
[18:10] <Abrileo> Fixed
[18:10] <Abrileo> With apt update
[18:11] <drleviathan> excellent
[18:11] <Abrileo> Ty
[18:12] <ogigm> a
[18:13] <ogigm> qucik question: Kmail crashed requiring reboot. On reboot all window icons missing, cant resize windows. Kubuntu 15.10, plasma 5.4. Known bug? Fix?
[18:16] <drleviathan> ogigm, sounds like your kde config is corrupt (I'm guessing here).  Try copying your kde config off to the side and logging in again without one -- should get a new default config.
[18:24] <ogigm_> hi drleviathan, super! all fixed. many thanks!
[19:27] <Khaotic> anyone else having issues with the system tray icons not loading, or the wifi not fully connecting even though the connection is good?
[19:29] <Matt526> Not sure about the WiFi but there's a bug report for the icons. A workaround is to go into systray settings, disable the one you don't see, hit apply, then re-enable it.
[19:30] <Khaotic> yeah thats what ive been doing
[19:30] <Khaotic> the wifi seems to have connection issues after ive put it into sleep mode and woke it
[19:31] <Khaotic> it's a pain having to reboot every time to get the wifi to work correctly
[19:31] <Matt526> I did just experience a WiFi issue that might be similar to what you're talking about though. I had to fix it with iwconfig. I thought I caused it though
[19:31] <Matt526> Oh that's not the same.
[19:31] <Khaotic> what happened to you?
[19:32] <Matt526> Mine just wasn't connecting. The interface was up but I think the KDE network manager didn't feel like using it. I manually set ssid with iwconfig and it all went back to normal.
[19:33] <Matt526> No networks were listed when it happened even though there are several around.
[19:34] <Matt526> I used to have trouble after suspend like you but I believe the recent kernels fixed it
[19:35] <Khaotic> hmmmm
[19:36] <Khaotic> mine sees the networks, but it's like my computer is acting as a firewall blocking incoming data
[19:36] <Khaotic> only happens after i bring the computer back from sleep
[19:36] <Matt526> I don't think I can be of much help with that
[19:37] <Khaotic> :/
[19:39] <clivejo> how do I prevent Kmail displaying the message "Not enough information to check signature validity." for signed emails?#
[20:02] <dr47x> hello
[20:16] <salapin> alguien puede ayudarme con plasma 5 KDE
[20:19] <BluesKaj> !es | salapin
[20:19] <salapin> ok
[20:19] <salapin> gracias
[20:19] <BluesKaj> de nada
[20:56] <Orozco> Hello, i have just installed kubuntu and my laptop have physical leds(for battery, wifi, bluetooth, CAPS lock etc..) but they don't work any help for it please?
[22:20] <varrioX> hey im trying to install kubuntu on my grandpa laptop
[22:20] <varrioX> but i have a problem
[22:21] <varrioX> hey im trying to install kubuntu on my grandpa laptop
[22:21] <varrioX> but i have a problem
[22:22] <genii> Do you have a better description of the problem?
[22:25] <Doyle> Hey. The DNS entries specified in the connection editor aren't being populated in resolv.conf. Is this a known issue? Fresh install.
[22:52] <kwaadpepper> It is the same for me
[22:53] <kwaadpepper> i think it is NetworkManager that handle the hole thing actualy
[22:53] <kwaadpepper> the service
[22:54] <kwaadpepper> but in order to owrk you need to select automatic (adresses only)
[22:54] <kwaadpepper> work*
[22:54] <kwaadpepper> just using unbound this way
[22:54] <TJ-> Doyle: they shouldn't be
[22:55] <TJ-> Doyle: /etc/resolv.conf should be a symbolic link to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf and should contain "nameserver 127.0.1.1"
[22:55] <TJ-> Doyle: Network Manager has a private instance of dnsmaq listening on that address, and NM passes the configured DNS servers to dnsmasq via DBus when the interface is brought up
[23:06] <kwaadpepper> hey just a quick question, i guess somee of you are actually using konversation since were in kubuntu channel, how to you quick answer to someone, i mean print his pseudo :  Is there a shortcut or something ?
[23:19] <thenerdjones> hello everone, im pretty new to linux but to make things short i used it shortly on an old computer, i built a gaming pc from scratch and i cant get kubuntu to boot, i always get an error saying "gave up waiting on root device" then gives me some common problems, but with the keyboard im using i cant type anything this early in the boot, so i boot into this live usb session and try to find some referance to the hard drive
[23:19] <thenerdjones> the install is on and i cant find it anywhere, and after the  gave up waiting warning i also get ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx$ does not exist so i came here hoping someone had some sort of dea
[23:21] <robotdevil1> how do I install nautilius without half of gnome
[23:21] <robotdevil1> 14.04
[23:21] <thenerdjones>  my /dev has no "/disk" at all
[23:26] <kwaadpepper> robotdevil1: i guess there is no way since apt-get respect dependencies
[23:28] <kwaadpepper> thenerdjones: is your hard drive actually working ?
[23:28] <kwaadpepper> have you checked it ?
[23:30] <kwaadpepper> thenerdjones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/286284/system-no-longer-boots-gave-up-waiting-for-root-device-initramfs-dev-mappe
[23:31] <kwaadpepper> thenerdjones: have you installed using encryption ?
[23:32] <thenerdjones> kwaadpepper: home folder encryption, thats it
[23:33] <kwaadpepper> thenerdjones: if you don't need it just don"t check and retry your install
[23:33] <kwaadpepper> uncheck*
[23:33] <kubuntuuser> hey! As usual, i've upgraded to 15.10 and everything got broken again
[23:34] <thenerdjones> ok ill give it a shot
[23:34] <kubuntuuser> could you please help me get back to a running system?
[23:34] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuser: hast is actually broken ?
[23:34] <kwaadpepper> what*
[23:35] <kubuntuuser> i can start in recovery mode, but only get command prompt.
[23:35] <kubuntuuser> from, there, i can run xinit
[23:35] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuser: you do have optimus or nvidia driver ?
[23:35] <kubuntuuser> but when i try "startkde", i get libgl errors and it gets stuck
[23:36] <kubuntuuser> i have an intel and an amd card
[23:36] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuserhave you tried apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall ?
[23:37] <kubuntuuser> kwaadpepper: yes, still got same problem
[23:37] <kubuntuuser> i have uninstalled and installed the whole kde back
[23:38] <kwaadpepper> http://askubuntu.com/questions/133844/fglrx-causes-serious-bug-black-screen
[23:38] <kubuntuuser> libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so
[23:38] <kwaadpepper> ok
[23:39] <kwaadpepper> so this is the intel driver that could not load
[23:39] <kwaadpepper> someone told me he had bugs like htat using intel+ATI
[23:39] <kwaadpepper> the equivalent of optimus which i also had problem with
[23:39] <kwaadpepper> what you may have to do is just load using ati driver
[23:40] <kubuntuuser> kwaadpepper: is opengl required to run kde?
[23:40] <kwaadpepper> to do that you need to create  a black list file i guess like /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-intel.conf
[23:41] <kwaadpepper> no it can use xrender
[23:41] <kwaadpepper> in Compositor settings
[23:42] <thenerdjones>  gigs of swap space seems a little drastic, is there a reason it keeps giving me so much?
[23:42] <thenerdjones> 17 gigs, sorry
[23:42] <kubuntuuser> maybe i can start it without opengl then
[23:43] <kwaadpepper> thenerdjones: that is too much 2 G should be fine
[23:43] <kubuntuuser> thenerdjones: hybernation maybe
[23:43] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuser: well you may have to change settings in option panel
[23:44] <kwaadpepper> you do manage to boot in desktop right ?
[23:44] <kubuntuuser> kwaadpepper: at the moment there is no panel: only a white shell window
[23:45] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuser: In system configuration -> Material ->Display -> Compositor
[23:45] <kubuntuuser> i managed to start xorg but not kde
[23:45] <kwaadpepper> Have you tried to start using you ati drive r?
[23:45] <kwaadpepper> instead of the intel GPU ?
[23:46] <kubuntuuser> yep, but only managed to get a black screen
[23:46] <kubuntuuser> and a frozen system
[23:47] <kubuntuuser> the intel one seems to be the best choice
[23:47] <kwaadpepper> I have optimus (intel+nvidia) and the nouveau driver was actually throwing shit every where, are you using it ?
[23:47] <thenerdjones> when i go to the manual install i see a lot of weird stuff going on here, device for boot loader info should be /dev/sda and not "/dev/dm-0" right? also there are a lot of "/dev/mapper/mint--vg-root"  and swaps
[23:48] <kwaadpepper> henerdjones: i never saw these terms in that panel
[23:49] <thenerdjones> since i never had a working system, its safe to delete EVERYTHING and install freash right?
[23:49] <kubuntuuser> i am now trying to uninstall nouveau
[23:49] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuser: what i had to to is blacklist the nouveau driver and install nvidia driver
[23:49] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuser: don"t uninstall it
[23:49] <kwaadpepper> kubuntuuser: you just need to blacklist that shit
[23:50] <kwaadpepper> create a file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf
[23:50] <kwaadpepper> #blacklist nouveau
[23:50] <kwaadpepper> #options nouveau modeset=0
[23:50] <kwaadpepper> remove move that #
[23:50] <kubuntuuser> but it is not loaded
[23:50] <kwaadpepper> in front of each line
[23:50] <kwaadpepper> ok
[23:51] <kwaadpepper> well seriously i don't think i could help you more since i never had ati card using linux
[23:52] <kwaadpepper> But i know you can change the rendering backend
[23:53] <kwaadpepper> also opengl should be working, there is no reason it isn't
[23:53] <kubuntuuser> my fault: i should had not upgraded: i knew every time it gets worse :)
[23:53] <kubuntuuser> thank you for your efferts
[23:53] <kwaadpepper> https://tomaszzackiewicz.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/unable-to-load-driver-i965_dri-so-a-3d-graphics-mesa-error/
[23:54] <kwaadpepper> temptation is too big, playing around with updates is too funny, and frustrating though
[23:56] <kubuntuuser> reading the link
[23:57] <kubuntuuser> (sorry for slow answers, i'm typing in cel phone)
[23:57] <kwaadpepper> np
[23:57] <kwaadpepper> http://askubuntu.com/questions/283640/libgl-error-failed-to-load-driver-i965
[23:58] <kwaadpepper> You definitely could try to reinstall fglrx
[23:58] <Drybones> iirc, fglrx is broken or something
[23:59] <Drybones> https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-15.10-fglrx-Fix indeed