[00:22] <wileee> TJ-, Thanks for explaining the dependency fun we have, I knew I could not make it truly clear to them.
[00:28] <TJ-> I'm still a bit cloudy on it sometimes, just when I think I know what is going on something jumps out
[00:29] <TJ-> I make a lot of use of "apt-cache {depends,rdepends}" and also "debfoster" which helps visualise the dependency graphs
[00:33] <Bashing-om> ^^ then there is also 'rmadison' .
[00:35] <TJ-> Yes, which generates listings that match the archive format
[00:39] <wileee> never really needed so far than to understand you're first abcd analogy, heh, works for me but I know it's complex
[00:42] <TJ-> apt has the concept of auto-installed vs manual installs. Something is auto-installed if it came in via being depended upon by some other package. That dependency tree could be arbitarily deep, so A > B > C > D, D is installed due to C, which is installed due to B, which is installed due to A. A is manually installed (specifically asked for by the user) the others are auto-installed and therefore
[00:42] <TJ-> candidates for autoremove
[00:43] <TJ-> However, there might also have been B > X > D , so removing C shouldn't make D a candidate for auto-remove
[00:44] <TJ-> That's where it gets complicated and confusing
[00:54] <TJ-> On this note, is why when moving installed package lists between systems/releases, I always suggest using 'debfoster' not 'dpkg --get-selections' because debfoster only lists those packages manually installed, and therefore when those are installed on a target system the auto-install dependency is recreated. With "dpkg --set-selections" every package is set to manually installed and that graph is
[00:54] <TJ-> lost, and so autoremove cannot work
[00:58]  * daftykins 's brain explodes
[00:58] <daftykins> :D
[01:00] <TJ-> Ain't packaging great!?
[01:02] <Bashing-om> ^ However, there was a time before 'dpkg' and package manager . ouch !
[01:03] <daftykins> heh yeah i don't know if i'd ever be truly bored enough to try an LFS install ;)
[01:05] <TJ-> Yeah, installing was fun back then
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-daily-build-now-available-for-download-495391.shtml
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> hi ruenoak
[05:47] <ruenoak> hello how are you
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> fine fine
[11:26] <Ben64> popey: so when do we get new kernels without rebooting
[11:27] <popey> -> #ubuntu-kernel :)
[11:27] <Ben64> hey you're not even there
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> good evening from xenial
[14:01] <wileee> morning here on deh west coast
[14:01] <wileee> not on but from
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hi wileee
[14:02] <wileee> got my nasty folgers quick mix coffee, stuff is horrible
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> wileee: there is also regular coffe you know :p
[14:04] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, xenial.  meh.  the name just is not growing on me.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: lolll, get aquinted with the squirells
[14:05] <EriC^^> xenial.. sounds very metropolitan heterosexual type of thing
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ lsb_release -a
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> No LSB modules are available.
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Description:	Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch)
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Release:	16.04
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Codename:	xenial
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> lol EriC^^
[14:05] <EriC^^> nice
[14:06] <wileee> ah metrosexual
[14:06] <EriC^^> yeah, that's the word ;)
[14:06] <cfhowlett> screw it.  next series: starwars names.  first stop: P:  Pragmatic Palpatine.
[14:06] <wileee> what ever that is lol
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> thats when you have sex in the metro?
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: much better name :p
[14:06] <EriC^^> wileee: you know, the guys that are hetero but like to say words starting with a zzz
[14:06] <Ben64> didn't know 16.04 iso was ready
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: im on daily
[14:07] <Ben64> yeah i found it
[14:07] <EriC^^> it waz zooo delizouzzzz
[14:07] <Ben64> cmon internet, download faster
[14:07] <Ben64> so slow :(
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: sudo do-release-upgrade -d from wily does also the trick
[14:07] <wileee> lol, ah, I see them daily in portlandia the hipters
[14:07] <wileee> hipsters*
[14:07] <Ben64> 3d045a|OK  |    23MiB/s|isos/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:07] <Ben64> there we go
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> yayyy
[14:07] <cfhowlett> "Hirstute Hipsters" ...
[14:08] <wileee> heh
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: you should brainstorm next release codename mate
[14:08] <cfhowlett> Hey, if they'd only let me ...
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ok now lemme get a nice wall here instead of those horrible wily ones :p
[14:10] <EriC^^> yeah wily walls ... *shakes head*
[14:10] <Ben64> 16.10 Yummy Yak
[14:10] <EriC^^> haha, i was looking at adjectives and animals too
[14:11] <EriC^^> yak -> https://dspace.library.colostate.edu/bitstream/10217/54408/1/Garst_18848.jpg
[14:11] <Ben64> i can't find any other animal that isn't "Yellow-*"
[14:11] <Ben64> so yak it is
[14:11] <Ben64> i guess it could go legendary though
[14:12] <Ben64> Yummy Yatagarasu
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:13] <Ben64> already had jackalope
[14:15] <wileee> heh yak is yummie in some area, specially with a nice white wine garlic butter sauce
[14:15] <wileee> I think some people eat the yak is all
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> in tibet probably
[14:16] <wileee> not that there's anything wrong with that, yeah tibet I think
[14:16] <cfhowlett> yak.  wine.  garlic butter.  hmmmm.
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> and some xerus with xenial sauce desert
[14:17] <wileee> yak is probably gamey a little light huh
[14:17] <cfhowlett> Fabulous Fava / Chivalrous Chianti
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> magnificent merlot
[14:18] <cfhowlett> Monomaniacal Mark
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> wahaha
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> one day he will join here incognito...
[14:19] <Ben64> hungry hippo :(
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> my god, webbrowser-app goes fast on xenial
[14:23] <EriC^^> which kernel does it have?
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ uname -a
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TB0X 4.2.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 8 15:35:06 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> softpedia announces 4.3 for xenial
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-to-be-powered-soon-by-linux-kernel-4-3-rc7-495416.shtml
[14:25] <EriC^^> nice
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: afternoon
[14:31] <TJ-> hey ho :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[14:33] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: do-release-upgrade -d did the trick from wily tnx
[14:35] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, right , seems Xenial is relatively stable, moreso than Wily was in early days. Probly because plasma 5 was still so unstable for us KDE users
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah i already like it right now :p
[14:37] <BluesKaj> is ubuntu using mir exclusively yet , no more X11?
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> i think in 16.10 BluesKaj
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> unity 8 and mir
[14:39] <BluesKaj> right , I may try it out when the time comes
[14:40] <TJ-> The 16.04 archive is basically the 15.10 archive right now
[14:43] <TJ-> Package: unity .... "Version: 7.3.2+15.10.20151016-0ubuntu1"
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> yep
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> !info unity
[14:45] <BluesKaj> well, gonna speed up my old pc with this when it arrives Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-75E250B/AM)
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> nice nice BluesKaj
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> gona rocknroll
[14:46] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, oh noooo .. too fast man
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:46] <OerHeks> and you will need a converter kit 2.5 " <> 3.5 "
[14:47] <BluesKaj> yup i have one OerHeks
[14:48] <BluesKaj> included in the order
[14:48] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, and i missed the sounds of the hardware .. tip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy_RHdE7zsc
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , my old HDD is making odd buzzing noises, hope I can dd the partitons to the ssd before the hdd dies
[14:52] <TJ-> BluesKaj: if in doubt, use ddrescue not dd
[14:52] <BluesKaj> this pc is 2008 vintage
[14:53] <BluesKaj> TJ-, yeah thanks, I'll keep that in mind
[14:54] <BluesKaj> it quiets down after about 10 mins ..weird
[14:56] <TJ-> BluesKaj: that suggests the spindle is wearing out
[14:57] <BluesKaj> yeah, bearing
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> http://oi68.tinypic.com/sm4z0g.jpg
[14:59] <BluesKaj> no biggie, it's the drive with 16.04 ands 14.04 ...all the media and family stuff is on a newer less used drive
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> my old old AMD3200+ with 8gig transcend SSD 64bit Xenial
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> rocketfast
[15:03] <BluesKaj> this is an HP amd 5200+ dual core cpu with 6G Ram so i'm hoping the new ssd speeds things up some
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> sure mate
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> the 850 is a bomb
[15:04] <BluesKaj> price was right
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: let me know if you got it up n runing ill share you ssd tweaks
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: also make sure your firmware is up to latest before you install
[15:05] <BluesKaj> cool , lotuspsychje thanks ..supposed to arrive on Monday
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> great
[15:07] <BluesKaj> wife has the same pc and she's a gamer ...thinking an ssd might help her pc as well
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> it surely will :p
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: what kind of games she in?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> W7 tho...afraid of Linux, but her games are aturbine and they haven' t ported toi linux
[15:08] <wileee> an ssd on my old dualcore atom, toshiba laptop makes it run very nice
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Turbine , LOTRO and DDO
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: did you see shadow of mordor on linux?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> lookin nicely on steam
[15:09] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yes, i mentioned it to wifey ..she's probly gonna check it out
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> wileee: wich brand?
[15:13] <wileee> lotuspsychje, crucial m4
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> wileee: your the one on arch right?
[15:14] <wileee> 256 gigs nah
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> wileee: wich distro
[15:14] <wileee> ubuntu and W10, I've run all major OS those though
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:15] <wileee> The windows I don;t really need now, was fer college, lol
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> thats for each one to decide, no judgement here
[15:16] <wileee> ;)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> W10 didn't do much for me, stayed with W7 on it's own hdd rescued from a pc with a dead mobo
[15:17] <wileee> I mentioned this before, but when I returned to school just happened to get ubuntu never had a computer before so it seems like home really
[15:18] <BluesKaj> wileee, interesting, linux from the start :-)
[15:18] <TJ-> After years with Windows, Linux was like coming home, as well
[15:19] <wileee> I knew no better
[15:19] <TJ-> I starte before Windows was a thing, so I've gone full-circle
[15:19] <BluesKaj> think most of us were windows ppl
[15:19] <TJ-> s/starte/started/
[15:19] <TJ-> I still remember Windows 1.0 on an Apricot Zen PC
[15:20] <TJ-> Tiling; no overlapping windows, max 16 colors :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> started with pcs on the job , never thought a home pc was in my future till the internet became available
[15:20]  * lotuspsychje enables wobbly windows on xenial, if i fall away compiz needs reb00t
[15:21] <wileee> the wobbly cube was cool at one time
[15:21] <TJ-> New toys :)
[15:21] <wileee> however many sides you could fit
[15:21] <TJ-> eventually folks realise they're distracting
[15:22] <wileee> it's like watching the moth at the light, you root for them but know their fate, a total waste of time
[15:23] <TJ-> I've got KDE5 here, white-on-black colour scheme. amazing how much more usuable it is without all the distractions and especially without glaring white background colour for windows
[15:23] <TJ-> There goes lotuspsychje ... out that wobbly window!
[15:23] <BluesKaj> I think my Windows user friends were most with Linux desktop tricks was the pager/virtual desktops and cube animation
[15:24] <BluesKaj> impressed that is
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> wobbly active :p
[15:24] <TJ-> One thing I've noticed over the years... those folks that spend hours/days with desktop themes... and I ask them "but once you open a program window you can't see any of it, so what *good* is it!?
[15:25] <TJ-> >>> There goes lotuspsychje ... out that wobbly window!
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> will compiz still be active on MIR?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> http://askubuntu.com/questions/293718/can-we-use-compiz-or-kwin-on-mir
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> seems like not
[15:27] <JanC> impossible
[15:27] <BluesKaj> I use a pretty plain jane theme ,. but I still like blue titlebars and marble colours, easy on the eyes
[15:27] <JanC> well, in theory you could run it on a full-screen XMir maybe
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> JanC: does that mean no more compiz effects on mir?
[15:28] <JanC> once that works reliable
[15:28] <JanC> lotuspsychje: obviously
[15:29] <JanC> there will be some other effects, I guess
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> so, they took away my bottom dock on gnome, now they take away my wobbly windows sniff
[15:30] <JanC> you can always run Compiz on Xorg
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> lets see what the future will bring
[15:31] <TJ-> "convergence" according to Canonical
[15:31] <JanC> Compiz+Mate+Xorg will keep working for some time
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah that mate gold edition video is nice lol
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/superb-ubuntu-mate-gold-edition-proposed-by-user-video-495315.shtml
[15:33] <JanC> BluesKaj: virtual desktops have existed on Windows since the 1990s  ;)
[15:34] <TJ-> Mir is just the display server, its whats on top controls the 'bling'. It looks like multi-monitor will lose out in a  big way if xorg is deprecated
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: sounds like a lot of work
[15:35] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: multi-monitor is straightforward if it is designed in from the start. The problem is most design was done with a phone as the target
[15:35] <JanC> TJ-: I thought multi-monitor is partially implemented in Mir now?
[15:36] <TJ-> JanC: partially, maybe, but not usable in anything but simple single-GPU, dual-monitor scenarios
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah ubuntu-touch has alot of influence these days
[15:38] <JanC> TJ-: although maybe what I read was about a branch being merged into the main repo, so that might not be available unless you compile from source  :)
[15:39] <TJ-> A good multi-monitor experience means the WM/DE and applications MUST be able to know about the GPU/monitor layout and work with it. Most of the multi-monitor issues are because that data is no available to them. E.g. on KDE5, it will run across multiple X-screens with multiple GPUs and monitors, but the kwin/plasma support is broken and so plasma will ignore its own saved settings for the per-screen
[15:39] <TJ-> config it wrote, and cursor on anything but the primary X screen is the Xserver default X not a pointer
[15:39] <TJ-> currently, 14.04 with KDE4 is the best supporter of such configs
[15:41] <TJ-> If I start KDE5 on my 3-GPU, 6-monitor, 4 X screen config I can only use/work with the first 2 X screens... greeter gets lost, lock screen doesn't, cursor disappears if I move it to X screen 2+, and the list goes on
[15:43] <TJ-> eeek! best run the dogs whilst the rain has stopped!
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> or someone gonna get soaked
[15:49] <BluesKaj> we have the remnanats of the patricia hurricane passing over atm, some rain so far , but not much wind
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> !info tweepy
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> johnny_linuxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[17:25] <johnny_linux> woohoo
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:25] <johnny_linux> vue vel tell us
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> yes!
[17:26]  * johnny_linux is on the telly , brb
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: did you see my tinypic xenial wally :p
[18:50] <EriC^^> nope
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: can you scroll up and paste to me plz im on another machine :p
[18:51] <TJ-> Grief! I read that as tiny xenial willy!
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> loool
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: if i had a pic of that, it would be too small to show you :p
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: [14:58] <lotuspsychje> http://oi68.tinypic.com/sm4z0g.jpg
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> got it
[18:57] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: you need a bigger camera :)
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: howso
[19:02] <TJ-> "Objects in the viewfinder may appear larger than in reality"
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: its a 24" display too =p
[19:03] <TJ-> Not saying another word!
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> good evening daftykins
[19:05] <daftykins> heya!
[19:05] <TJ-> God's here!
[19:07] <daftykins> so help you all if i were a deity, my my
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:07]  * lotuspsychje kneels down for the irc gods
[19:08] <TJ-> You don't have to be omniesscent or whatever, part-time will do
[19:08] <daftykins> ah ok
[19:09] <TJ-> As long as you can conjure up decent chips :)
[19:09] <daftykins> mmm chips
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:09] <daftykins> annoyingly my nearest supermarket has stopped stocking crinkle cut mccain oven chips :(
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> slice few potatoes yourself :p
[19:10] <daftykins> i'm doing an android phone upgrade today for my mum, just discovered it's going from nanoSIM to micro, so that's going to need a new one from the telco... and her password list doesn't work with the google account
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[19:10] <TJ-> Those aren't real chips!
[19:10] <daftykins> essentially fallen at all the hurdles i could apart from charging the thing ;)
[19:11] <TJ-> Only mud-laden potatoes fresh out the sack are genuine :D
[19:11] <daftykins> crikey, that's too tall an order for this part-time deity
[19:11] <TJ-> Is that getting larger - SIM-wise?
[19:11] <daftykins> yeah
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> in our country, the seagulls found a chips-factory and travel from the sea to eat them in the trash outside
[19:11] <daftykins> i can however give you infinite virtual cookies from ubottu? :)
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> just to say how good it can be
[19:12] <TJ-> daftykins: I kept the outer part of the SIM/micro/nano holder I got last time, just in case I ever needed to use it in a backup device. Saved me a couple of times so far.
[19:12] <daftykins> this new one (LG G4) has a screen brighter than the sun
[19:13] <daftykins> TJ-: yep, i do that for standard SIM -> micro, but this is the first handset i've encountered that is micro - our telco supplies them like that with no frame pieces i think
[19:13] <daftykins> and my mum is certainly not going to have one lying around
[19:16] <TJ-> Nowadays if you can pick up a PAYG SIMcard at a newsagent,etc, you can punch out the old nano part and insert yours
[19:19] <daftykins> i feel a bit iffy about those frame pieces if i'm honest, rather see a reliable method for the sake of the telco being <100m from my front door :D
[19:20] <daftykins> we don't have UK telcos though so you can't get those in shops i don't think
[19:20] <TJ-> Ahhh, of course.
[19:20] <TJ-> Not even for island visitors ?
[19:21] <daftykins> i think i've seen really cheap pay as you go handset kits, but mmm
[19:21] <daftykins> folk mostly have to go to the telco shops on the high-street by me
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/mycroft-ai-already-working-on-linux-desktops-integration-has-started-495433.shtml
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> LG call daftykins's mom
[19:30] <daftykins> i've tried calling the home line twice now to no avail :)
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:30] <johnny_linux> LG order a hillary for prison T shirt on Amazon
[19:31] <wileee> and the bernie for emperor
[19:31] <johnny_linux> cheeeit
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:32] <johnny_linux> the newest word is, bruce wants to go back to being a man
[19:32] <TJ-> The problem with all voice-recognition is it only works well in quiet environments with single-focus
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> Snappy spider, go get some beer from wallmarket
[19:32] <johnny_linux> lol
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> where will all these 'things' lead us :p
[19:33] <johnny_linux> LG back away from the Obama Phone
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Bradley Cooper for US Senator ;-)
[19:33] <wileee> pres election candidates look, wait, 'putting on the tinfoil hat' like a psych god a bad control on the population
[19:33] <wileee> good*
[19:34] <johnny_linux> heh, george nory just said he may run
[19:37] <BluesKaj> heh, george will probly nominate aliens, ghost chasers, devil worshippers etc for his cabinet
[19:37] <daftykins> be really nice if this channel were the only one where US politics wasn't on topic :(
[19:38] <BluesKaj> ridiculous show that coast to coast...anything goes there
[19:38] <daftykins> i know it's hard for US folk to remember there's a world outside sometimes :P
[19:38] <johnny_linux> get this, he said, he would pick condelesia rice for vice
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> lol http://www.deviantart.com/art/Xubuntu-hit-break-windows-10-568747619
[19:38] <TJ-> Yeah, this channel is for discussing South African togetherness :)
[19:38] <johnny_linux> BluesKaj,  its entertainment for the publically schooled masses
[19:39] <BluesKaj> daftykins, didn't you know the rest of us don't matter to the US
[19:40] <daftykins> ;)
[19:40] <BluesKaj> try living beside them like we Canadians do
[19:40] <johnny_linux> aboot
[19:41] <BluesKaj> abawt
[19:41] <TJ-> Did you see the BBC news article (scare story!) about Russian submarines observed diving on deep-sea fibre-optic cable entries into the USA. Part of me is willing them to actually cut them all :D
[19:41] <johnny_linux> ya
[19:41] <daftykins> hahaha
[19:41] <daftykins> i'd imagine we'd get a lot fewer trolls in #ubuntu ;)
[19:41] <TJ-> Nice to see the USA worrying about the same things they've been doing to others for several years now
[19:41] <johnny_linux> it isnt any diff when the cables were cut and (nudge nudge wink wink) spliced back together
[19:42] <daftykins> actually that can be detected with fibre :P
[19:43] <TJ-> I was also laughing at the interview with the Deputy-director NSA, where he said there needs to be an international agreement on cyber-hacking due to the alleged Chinese/Russian/other attacks on USA Gov/commerical entities ... I thought, yeah, tell to the Iranians and their Uranium centrifuges after Stuxnet virus!
[19:43] <TJ-> daftykins: passive fibre intercepts (which is what they do now) cannot be detected since there is no breach
[19:44] <johnny_linux> dun dun dun
[19:44] <daftykins> :D
[19:44] <daftykins> TJ-: hmm that can really cope with multimode fibre o0
[19:45] <TJ-> daftykins: the papers I've read on it demonstrate it can be, and remarkably easy once the cable protectors and so on have been removed
[19:45] <daftykins> crikey
[19:47] <TJ-> That stuff is common in datacentres already; the advance (if any) is in doing it from the sheath
[19:50] <TJ-> Yurk! It's time for dinner, I forgot all about it been immersed in coding
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit
[19:50] <TJ-> om yom yom
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:52] <BluesKaj> btw johnny_linux, have you ever really listened to our Canadian accent, we have several regional accents just like most English speaking countries do, so your response is stereotypical, most likely from listening to your media.
[19:53] <daftykins> mmm 8pm already
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> i love french canadian accents
[19:53] <BluesKaj> we don't ;-)
[19:53] <BluesKaj> I have to listen to them everyday
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> had a goo laugh with that movie bon cop bad cop
[19:54] <BluesKaj> we had a prime minister who was unintelligable in 2 languages
[19:54] <BluesKaj> :-)
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> there we go first xenial deviant :p
[20:06] <BluesKaj> here's my plasma desktop on Xenial 16.04 with a view from our family cottage http://ibin.co/2KdTGsjlXjdL
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> nice1 BluesKaj !
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> nice n clean dock
[20:10] <BluesKaj> the lake is actual impact crater around 3 billion yrs old
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> wow
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> can you go dive there then?
[20:10] <ghostin> what lake?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> over 200M deep in places , some who drown are never recovered
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> ghostin: <BluesKaj> here's my plasma desktop on Xenial 16.04 with a view from our family cottage http://ibin.co/2KdTGsjlXjdL
[20:15] <BluesKaj> there's some misinformation on this wiki about the age of the crater, there's quite a debate about it in geological/scientific community, my Dad was in 3 billion yr old "camp"
[20:15] <BluesKaj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wanapitei
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: looks lovely enviroment
[20:21] <BluesKaj> it's a nice area, but suburban sprawl is creeping in
[20:22] <BluesKaj> I despise those ugly grey McMansions ppl build here these days
[20:26] <BluesKaj> anyway it's been a long day for me, time to do other things ...take care
[20:28] <wileee> help i've fallen and wokin up with my face on the computer screen
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> looool
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> thats the best for today wileee :p
[20:28] <wileee> the user fir sure
[21:01] <wileee> heh, users script link "you 'own' me $10 for viewing this"
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:17] <daftykins> the 'idiot' is strong today
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> loool
[21:18] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: your gonna copy that zip or not!
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> im out for today
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[21:26] <pauljw> nite lotuspsychje
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[22:11] <pauljw> bbl
[22:29] <daftykins> don't copy that floppy ~