=== chriadam_ is now known as chriadam === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [03:21] test [03:21] anyone here? [03:28] Nobody in here but us chickens [03:40] lol === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === zz_Foxmaster is now known as Foxmaster [07:35] good morning === Foxmaster is now known as zz_Foxmaster === Beliq_ is now known as Beliq === ara is now known as Guest43853 [08:15] on image 153, i can't enable adb, help ? [08:32] om26er, which device? [08:45] jibel, arale [08:46] jibel, the developer mode switch gets turned on, when I open the developer mode page again, its back to "off" [08:46] om26er, maybe it'll break in a couple of days then :) most recent build on arale is 153 [08:46] om26er, which channel? [08:47] jibel, rc-proposed [08:47] ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en-proposed [08:48] om26er, why propopoed-porposed? It's a channel for testing custom tarballs [08:48] ouch proposed/-proposed [08:49] jibel, hmm, i have been testing on that channel for a while, which channel do you recommend ? [08:49] om26er, rc-proposed/meizu.en [08:49] om26er, anyway it shouldn't make a difference for adb [08:54] om26er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels [08:56] jibel, thanks [08:57] I've got an Bq Aquaris 5 and been bitten by the No Sound Bug. How can I find out which app that muted my phone? I do get sound through the headphone if it is attached. === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [10:04] Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Animation Day! 😃 === greyback__ is now known as greyback [10:28] hello [10:35] pstolowski, hi, how are things going with silo 4? I noticed that there is now just one package not built for vivid [10:39] abeato, indeed. i'm on it, will update you soon [10:41] pstolowski, great, thanks [10:51] Does anybody here know how to unmute the sound on my BQ Aquarius 5? I think I muted it with Cut the Rope, but that app has since kind of turned ransomware. === zz_Foxmaster is now known as Foxmaster [11:30] is there a public searchable/downloadable archive of ubuntu-phone mailing list? [11:32] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ perhaps? [11:38] Ghwomb, thank you, I know this site. But there I couldn't find a way to do text seach, e.g. to get all mails which have "apt" in their body. Any suggestion? Thank you. [11:41] zelle: use google: https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=cr,ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Flists.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu-phone%2F+apt [11:41] Paste into Google: site:https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ apt [11:42] greyback_, Ghwomb: Thank you very much! [11:42] You're welcome [11:54] anyone else seeing adb broken on rc-proposed latest [11:54] ? [11:54] jibel, I see it broken on #159 krillin [11:55] john-mcaleely, fresh flash with bootstrap? [11:55] oh, interesting. with a reboot, the setting has changed to off [11:55] jibel, yes, fresh flash. Actually with new device tarball, but given what om26er said, I think it's not the device tarball :-) [11:56] john-mcaleely, om26er said it was broken on arale but I didn't reproduce the problem on any device [11:56] hrm [11:57] there was a new system settings yesterday but it was already on previous image [11:57] jibel, I will repro on a stock image, then open a bug [11:57] john-mcaleely, ok [11:57] what john-mcaleely describes looks more like a backend issue than system-settings though [11:57] (auto-off after reboot) [11:58] oh, interesting [11:58] ogra_, yeah but I was checking if a recent landing could have potentially broken this [11:59] the low level is handled by android-gadget-service ... it proivides a dbus api that system-settings uses [12:00] ogra_, that would be in the device tarball? [12:00] I just updated and adb works here... [12:00] no [12:01] thats a package in the rootfs [12:01] maybe you need to fresh flash as well then [12:01] I --bootstrap [12:02] anyhow just new langpacks and dialer/messaging/contact and ntpdate changed. nothing adb related [12:03] jibel, it sets a persistent poroperty though ... if that one is broken in the device tarball that can cause havoc [12:04] john-mcaleely, ^^^ [12:04] john-mcaleely, from the ML you're not alone [12:05] ogra_, just checking on stock device tarball (that's not changed in aaaageees) [12:06] aaaageees being 2 months :) [12:06] yeah [12:06] aaaaageees would be 3 months! [12:06] thats aaages ! [12:06] (is that two weeks ?) [12:06] possibly [12:07] might not ever be ages if it's weeks [12:07] hah [12:11] confirmed on stock [12:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1510919 [12:11] Launchpad bug 1510919 in Canonical System Image "adb not responding" [Undecided,New] [12:15] jibel, ^ :-( [12:16] ack [12:17] Is there anyone who can help me unmute the sound on my BQ Aquaris 5? Cut the Rope and PathWind is unmuted, system reset did not help. [12:20] john-mcaleely, jibel, not on upgraded systems though [12:22] ogra_, yeah, a bootstrap of krillin and it's broken [12:22] right [12:22] you don't have too reboot, just close/open system-settings and the setting is gone [12:23] aha [12:23] to* [12:23] also broken on 158 [12:24] does /data/property/persist.sys.usb.config exist ? === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:25] john-mcaleely, and since our automated tests flash with dev mode it escaped the tests :( [12:26] hahahaha. trying to boot to recovery on my broken 158 device, it's auto-installing 159 [12:26] I wonder when we'll fix *that* bug [12:26] (to see if that file ogra_ is curious about is present) [12:27] oh, i meant on a running system :) [12:27] well, that would mean installing terminal... [12:27] I thought recovery would be easier :-) [12:27] it should contain "mtp,adb" (no newline at the end) [12:31] john-mcaleely, ogra_ there is this warning in system-settings logs [12:31] 2015-10-28 12:20:55,500 - WARNING - QQmlExpression: Expression file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/about/DevMode.qml:94:30 depends on non-NOTIFYable properties: [12:31] 2015-10-28 12:20:55,501 - WARNING - StorageAbout::developerMode [12:32] not sure if it means anything [12:33] Is there any hope for GPS on the aquaris 4.5? [12:34] john-mcaleely, yeah and no syslog because it's owned by the wrong group again :( [12:35] ulrichard, works fine here if i disable wlan [12:36] (using uNAV from the store) [12:39] ogra_: seriaously, the Wlan interferes with the GPS antenna? How did you find that out? Trying... [12:40] ulrichard, no, it doesnt, the phone uses AGPS to find the GPS position faster ... [12:41] if you move and have WLAN enabled it probably isnt fast enough to get an answer from the AGPS DB to find the position or some such [12:41] john-mcaleely, aha, on another device upgraded to 159 with adb enabled, I cannot *disable* dev mode [12:41] it isnt an antenna problem, more one with the HERE provider [12:42] the guy who wrote uNAV found that, wasnt me :) [12:42] but following his advice gets me a stable GPS here [12:44] ogra_ : So maybe my phone has a hardware problem? The following command never returned anything not even on a mountain top: ubuntu-location-serviced-cli --bus system --get --property visible_space_vehicles [12:45] ah, thats a tvoss thing ... i havent played much with the location service commandline tools ... [12:46] ogra: So far I assumed all aquaris 4.5 GPS were not working, and would be fixed with some future system upgrade... [12:47] did you agree to the HERE terms and conditions ? [12:48] it shoudl definitely get your position from wlan if you dont move ... and it should also het a GPS position if there is line-of-sight between you and the sattelites (outdorrs) [12:48] Interestingly I see no satellites on my rc-proposed e4.5 [12:48] but loads on my stable e4.5 [12:49] where it fails is when you move out of range of the WLAN and still have AGPS on [12:49] ogra_ : Is that required for the GPS to work? One reason to switch away from android was that I didn't want BigBrother to watch my every step. [12:49] there is no big brother :) [12:50] it doesnt send any info about you apart from asking "what sattelites should i be seeing when in range for these wlans" [12:50] and with the returned data it will only query these specific satellites, so it connects a lot faster [12:51] if you disable HERE/AGPS you should still get a GPS fix after the usual 15-30 min [12:51] ogra_ : So how does it not send the info about the WLAN's in rage? [12:51] (if you are outdoors or close to a window) [12:51] it does send that info ... but no other info [12:52] nobody could guess from whom the request comes [12:52] (at least not without additional data that you would have to provide yourself) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:02] jibel, werll, do you see the contents of /data/property/persist.sys.usb.config change when you toggle the switch ? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [13:10] jibel, ogra_: not seeing this on rc-proposed r272 on Mako. [13:12] jgdx, seems to only happen when you do a --bootstrap install [13:12] okay [13:19] ogra_, it's a problem with the port of system-settings to uitk 1.3 [13:19] yeah [13:20] well, or the missing port of android-gadget-service to some new dbus model [13:20] could be either side thats broken :) === fritz_ is now known as messenjah [13:47] Elleo, hey, I didn't ping you back the link yesterday, sorry about that. Here's the session and day/time slot. Let me know if it all looks good. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22608/game-development-for-the-ubuntu-phone/ [13:49] balloons: yep, looks good :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:02] kenvandine: are there any instructions on packaging apps for use via libertine? [14:03] Elleo, libertine apps are just debs from the archive [14:03] so you can install them with apt-get [14:03] actually [14:03] not apt-get :) [14:03] libertine_container_manager [14:03] can install them [14:04] Elleo, however... only the demo apps are launchable :) [14:04] unless you craft your own desktop files [14:04] libertine_container_manager install-package -i puritine -p gimp [14:05] Elleo, assuming your container is named puritine [14:05] kenvandine: cool, thanks === BOHverkill is now known as BOHverkill___ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:23] Hi, i have a problem with adb devices after flasing to the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en channel [14:24] ie. the device cannot be found anymore [14:24] letatcest: seems to be a known issue, just saw a mail about it on the mailing list [14:25] letatcest, bug 1510919 [14:25] bug 1510919 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "developer mode toggle does nothing" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510919 [14:25] Ah! nice it is known ;) but how do I flash to another [14:26] ah, thanks (it was of course we wanted to try the convergence! which didn't work with the rc-proposed channel, or we missed something of course) [14:29] oSoMoN: would you be able to run a session at UOS next week discussing how the ubuntu browser was designed to adapt between phone, tablet and desktop form factors? [14:29] so.. how would I flash back to the stable image without adb present? [14:31] by the way, it may not be very important now. How could we check if 'convergence' actually works? We have a usb-hdmi-cable, but if we use it, nothing happens on the compter screen [14:38] mhall119, I could probably do that, if there’s interest in it. not sure how long a session on that topic can be, it’s not really rocket science [14:39] oSoMoN: I know, but it's a really nice example of adapting intelligently, rather than just "scaling up" [14:40] That "libertine" thing looks interesting. How would a package like The GIMP work if it is running under confinement? Will Ubuntu Personal relax the confinement rules so packages can access more files and directories? [14:41] pmcgowan: can your team propose a few topics around convergence to either discuss what you'll be working on this cycle or show off what is already landing/landed? [14:41] mcphail: find out on next week's exciting episode of "Ubuntu Online Summit" :) [14:42] Ha! Would I need to register? [14:42] mhall119, bfiller could, probably most interesting for new app layouts [14:43] mhall119, if that was the topic for osomon, you could do a session to cover all the apps inc browser [14:43] pmcgowan: ack, I've got a designer who is going to talk about designing adaptive UIs [14:43] pmcgowan: that would be great [14:44] lets see what bill says === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland [15:25] pstolowski, hey, I the next/prev buttons in indicator-sound are not enabled when I play something from the scope [15:25] pstolowski, however they are when using music-app [15:25] jhodapp, ^^ [15:25] abeato, are you using my test mp3 files or your own? [15:25] pstolowski, my own [15:26] pstolowski, but I see songs grouped in albums [15:26] abeato, may be a difference in how music app uses qml playlist [15:26] so should be the same [15:26] abeato, the scope exposes playlist with tracks from *same* album only (of currently played song) [15:26] pstolowski, yep, I am seeing that [15:27] pstolowski, so you call playlist.addSource() for an album at a time? [15:27] pstolowski, if you're only adding one track, then the buttons will remain disabled [15:27] jhodapp, i'm not, scope is not doing anything qml side. tsdgeos ? [15:28] pstolowski, oh what's interacting with the playlist then? [15:28] jhodapp, the scopes asks mediascanner lib for other songs of same album, and adds all them to the list. this works well with the mp3s I linked to in the email. [15:28] jhodapp, unity8 & tsdgeos's code [15:29] abeato, try looking at the media-hub output when you press play on an album in the new scope...you should see if one track is added or many [15:29] and if added to the same player & playlist object instance [15:30] jhodapp: many [15:30] othewise you could not skip in the indicator [15:30] and you can [15:30] i don't know why there's a delay of like 5 seconds though [15:30] here's the code https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/audioCardSupport/+merge/271605 [15:30] tsdgeos, what delay? [15:31] everything freezes [15:31] yeah, what i mentioned in the emailk [15:31] basically what pawel mentions in the email [15:31] :) [15:32] yeah I've seen that as well occasionally...do either of you have a lot of wifi APs nearby or a roaming wifi network? [15:32] pstolowski, tsdgeos ^ [15:32] nope [15:33] i've 5 APs in the neighborhood, but how would that affect it only when hitting play? [15:34] pstolowski, there's been some general dbus slowness that we've been trying to track down...one that seems associated with roaming wifi [15:34] pstolowski, so you only see this when you hit play? can you describe what happens a bit more step by step? [15:35] jhodapp, i'm following the steps from bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1496736 [15:35] Launchpad bug 1496736 in Canonical System Image "currentSource of Playlist gets set to empty" [High,In progress] [15:35] jhodapp, after step 3 it starts playing immediately, but UI is unresponsive for a few seconds [15:36] pstolowski, ok [15:36] abeato, so this would be what we should track down ^ [15:37] abeato, if your songs are not considered to be a single album as expected during playback in music scope, can you check their tags (compare with songs I shared?), or share them with me so I can take a look. it would be good to understand why that is happening [15:40] pstolowski, do you see the next/previous enable in indicator-sound when you play an album with the new music-scope? [15:41] dobey: awake mate? [15:41] jhodapp, yes, and they work [15:41] pstolowski, ok great, then abeato must be hitting a scenario like you just mentioned then [15:42] pstolowski, tsdgeos btw, give silo 9 a try...these have all the rest of the background playlist fixes and would appreciate you testing your silo with silo 9 [15:42] jhodapp: ok [15:42] jhodapp, sure [15:42] thanks [15:44] abeato, looks like the currentSource being empty isn't happening anymore according to tsdgeos so would you mind seeing if you can reproduce and trace what's causing the ~5s delay when pressing play from the new music-scope? [15:45] jhodapp, yep, trying to track that down [15:45] abeato, awesome thanks...I'll join you in that hunt after I test our silo [15:45] jhodapp, what I have seen some times is duplicated entries in the list [15:45] jhodapp, have you ever seen that? [15:46] tsdgeos, do you call addTrack(QUrl) one at a time, or can you use the new addTracks(QList)? [15:46] abeato, from the media-hub side? [15:46] or in the new scope? [15:46] jhodapp: one at a time [15:46] I'd say it's media-hub [15:46] abeato, I haven't seen that no [15:47] tsdgeos, I'd recommend using the new addTracks()...it performs much better [15:48] jhodapp: any reason for such a difference? i'm not even playing at that point [15:48] tsdgeos, also, just a note, but the tracks aren't gauranteed to have been added to the tracklist until you get a trackInserted() signal [15:48] tsdgeos, dbus performance issues [15:48] tsdgeos, tvoss is looking into it...most likely a dbus-cpp issue [15:49] jhodapp: what does that mean "the tracks aren't guaranteed to have been added" [15:49] that i need to wait before play? [15:49] tsdgeos, yes [15:49] hoesntly that API is bad then [15:49] tsdgeos, it's the MPRIS spec [15:50] as a API user, i add tracks and play [15:50] if you need to wait for something [15:50] not my design :) [15:50] it's your problem, not something the user needs to care about [15:50] i'm not using the mpris speac [15:50] i'm usong the Audio object [15:50] tsdgeos, but you're a user of the API and that's how it works [15:51] i'm just saying the API is bad [15:51] why does it matter anyway, it's not like it's going to take seconds [15:51] milliseconds [15:51] makes all its users worry about something they should not worry about [15:51] in your opinion [15:52] there's reasons for it [15:52] all i say it's always in my opinion [15:52] obviously :D [15:52] what is one of the reasons? [15:52] right, and I'm just explaining I can't change it as we're following the MPRIS spec [15:53] the mediaCount for the playlist is not correct until that signal has fired [15:54] jhodapp: you're telling me the api is one such that addTrack() followed by a "give me the numbers of tracks" returns 0? [15:55] tsdgeos, well 0 or whatever it was last time...it's asynchronous [15:56] tsdgeos, read the note here: http://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/Track_List_Interface.html#Method:AddTrack [15:57] jhodapp: there's no addTracks in there [15:57] are we making the API better? [15:57] jhodapp, no improvement with silo 9 when it comes to 5 secs freeze [15:57] pstolowski, ok [15:58] tsdgeos, yes only because of our dbus issues [15:58] pstolowski, I still do not see the indicator-sound buttons enabled with your mp3 files [15:58] abeato, interesting [15:58] abeato: where are you playing from? [15:58] pstolowski, I go to the album and start playing one of the songs [15:59] abeato, what does the media-hub output look like? do you see multiple tracks added? [15:59] abeato, no, you need to go to tracks department and play the track [15:59] jhodapp, only one mp3 added to the track list [15:59] oh well that's why [15:59] abeato, and you need to be playing the track from the results list (play button over the song card), not from the preview - see my screenshot [16:00] pstolowski, how do you get to the results list? [16:00] jhodapp: he already said "you need to go to tracks department and play the track" [16:01] do you know what the tracks department is? [16:01] i can confirm the freeze is not gone with silo 9 [16:02] tsdgeos, I don't, no...I need to try again though because I had nothing valid showing last time I tried silo 4 the other day [16:04] jhodapp: abeato: http://i.imgur.com/1OLzfsb.png [16:05] the tracks department [16:05] tsdgeos, got it [16:05] ok [16:06] tsdgeos, oh I see you can select a category === syntax_error is now known as TonyBoston === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [16:11] Hi, anyone noticed after the recent unity8 update that 'flicking' doesn't work anymore in various places, such as the app spread and indicators ? [16:11] ahayzen, I just noticed that today as well in the initial setup wizard [16:12] :( [16:12] * ahayzen wonders if there a bug report somewhere [16:14] ahayzen, how are you seeing that? [16:14] pmcgowan, for example, open loads of apps and open the spread, then press, drag a little bit a lift...before it would carry the velocity .. now things just stop instantly [16:15] pmcgowan, I see it when scrolling through the wifi list on the initial setup wizard [16:15] same happens when scrolling horizontally/vertically in the indicators [16:15] and on the launcher [16:15] Is there anyone who can help me unmute the sound on my BQ Aquaris 5? Cut the Rope and PathWind is unmuted, system reset did not help. [16:16] ahayzen, I see bah [16:16] Saviq, ^^ [16:17] hmm not sure [16:18] pmcgowan, confirmed, got an idea though [16:21] jhodapp: track_index_lut.size(): 360 [16:21] does this mean i have 360 songs in the playlist? [16:21] yes [16:21] something is very wrong [16:21] i have like 10 [16:21] tsdgeos, tell me how to reproduce and I can investigate [16:22] jhodapp: function playSource(newSource, newPlaylist) { in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/audioCardSupport/+merge/271605 [16:22] tsdgeos, what's that? [16:22] basically stop audio, unset playlist, clear playlist, addtracks, set index, start playing [16:22] jhodapp: code? [16:22] D: [16:22] i don't understand the question [16:23] tsdgeos, I was just wondering why you listed code [16:24] jhodapp: ah i thought you meant what the code was doing instead of how to reproduce with clicks :) [16:24] pmcgowan, ok, idea wrong, will file bug / find where it broke [16:24] tsdgeos, no just the steps to reproduce from a user of silo 4 perspective [16:24] ahayzen, thanks for the heads-up [16:24] Saviq, no problem [16:26] jhodapp: just play from the tracks deparment [16:26] first play goes to 10, second play is now 30 [16:26] tsdgeos, ok my guess is that clear() is not working in your case [16:26] jhodapp, that's what I've seen too [16:27] pmcgowan, ahayzen actually, there's a bug for it already bug #1510571 [16:27] bug 1510571 in QtMir "[Phone] Kinetic scrolling is broken on the spread" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510571 [16:27] abeato: jhodapp: there's also a weird behaviour in that if i play from playlist and then play from source that is ignored and the old song is played [16:27] Saviq, ah cool, it just happens in more places that just the spread it seems :-) [16:27] ahayzen, can you comment on the bug please where else you see it? [16:28] Saviq, will do :-) [16:28] tsdgeos, what do you mean play from source? [16:28] might help us pinpoint the issue [16:28] abeato: jhodapp: in terms of how to reproduce from the ui is "go to tracks, play song 1, now go to preview of song 2 (by clicking on it not on the play icon), play from there, first song plays instead of second (and the url shows as the second one playing)" [16:28] jhodapp: i mean audio.source = url; [16:29] tsdgeos, oh interesting, that is a bug...you can get around that for now by always using the playlist even if there's only one track in it [16:30] tsdgeos, would you mind filing a bug for that along with how to reproduce? [16:30] tsdgeos, file it against the media-hub source package [16:30] ok, doing [16:32] tsdgeos, thanks [16:33] jhodapp: abeato: pstolowski: since we can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1496736 anymore want me to close it? [16:33] Launchpad bug 1496736 in Canonical System Image "currentSource of Playlist gets set to empty" [High,In progress] [16:33] tsdgeos, sure [16:33] jhodapp: and i guess open another one for the delay that happens when trying to play? [16:34] tsdgeos, yes please [16:34] tsdgeos, jhodapp okay as long as we have a new one for ui responsiveness [16:34] Saviq: I have to implement a behaviour which is only applied when a mouse is attached (independent of window mode)...is there any way to get that info at the moment? if not, is it coming anytime soon? [16:35] (this is related to scrollbars, fwiw) [16:35] faenil, depends, is presence alone enough, or hover required [16:35] ? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|bbl [16:36] Saviq: both, but I'm looking for presence [16:36] pstolowski, yeah tsdgeos is adding one [16:36] as in, the main flag that makes the switch is the presence of a mouse [16:36] tsdgeos, pstolowski so abeato can't reproduce the freeze in music-app or the scope [16:37] when the freeze happens for you, is the entire system unresponsive as in even the dash isn't responding? [16:37] faenil, what's supposed to happen depending on that main flag? [16:37] faenil: there are plans for mir to export that info, but for now, the qinputinfo plugin might be what you need [16:38] Saviq: at the moment scrollbars become non-overlay when a mouse is connected [16:38] jhodapp: abeato: yes you can't scroll the dash [16:38] s/at the moment/in the future [16:38] tsdgeos, yeah there's some weird dbus interaction going on then [16:39] faenil, so stuff changes visually just because you connect a mouse [16:39] ? [16:39] Saviq: yes [16:39] Saviq: it's nothing final, but there will be something that depends on whether a mouse is connected, most likely [16:39] or so it seems [16:39] faenil, just a note that we should avoid that if possible, but scrollbars might just make sense for that [16:40] Saviq: sure, we should avoid... [16:40] faenil, we have a copy of a "inputinfo" module from future Qt that mzanetti maintains for us in unity8 [16:41] not sure if it'd work for apps, though (confinement) [16:41] greyback_: sorry, just read your msg [16:41] Saviq, we should make it work for apps... [16:41] mzanetti, not directly IMO [16:41] :/ [16:41] are we becoming paranoid about everything now? :) [16:41] Saviq, either by replacing the backend to read info from mir or something... [16:42] but the api should be available to apps [16:42] mzanetti, I mean that there needs to be a central place where we apply quirks [16:42] abeato: jhodapp: pstolowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511029 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511034 [16:42] Launchpad bug 1511029 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "Audio gets confused when playing from source after playing from playlist" [Undecided,New] [16:42] Launchpad bug 1511034 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "Big UI freeze when playing from the dash" [Undecided,New] [16:42] Saviq, yes, custom backend is probably the answer [16:42] mzanetti, right, I'm just saying it's not necessary for every app to enumerate the input devices [16:42] tsdgeos, that's great, thanks [16:42] thanks tsdgeos [16:42] mzanetti, totally +1 that the API should be available [16:43] faenil, so yeah, you could try to borrow the inputinfo module from us, not sure if it'll Just Work™, though [16:44] faenil, and it's not about being paranoid, but do you want a malicious app to change your input configuration? ;) [16:45] abeato: jhodapp: the first one may also be because we calling addTrack instead of addTracks [16:45] i'll investigate that tomorrow [16:45] and comment on the bug [16:45] Saviq: not change, but read the state.. [16:45] tsdgeos, I don't think it's causing that first issue, but I'd still recommend changing to use addTracks([]) instead [16:46] faenil, well, that's the problem, the low level APIs are not as fine grained [16:46] faenil, so we need something in between [17:25] Hello everybody, I have a question. ok [17:25] I want to know if I will be allowed to watch netflix on ubuntu phone [17:26] drwd: Ubuntu will allow you, but netflix won't [17:26] * ogra_ doesnt deny [17:26] so go ahead if you can convince netflix [17:26] :) [17:26] drwd, you'd need a client that supports netflix and only chrome does on ubuntu afaik [17:26] Please tell me a tip to bypass it [17:27] drwd: you can't. Not on the phone, I'm afraid [17:27] my scopes get freezed in the middle of 2 scopes after sliding a few on BQ 4.5 anyone seen that before? [17:28] left bar can still be moved, but i can only reboot phone to get things working again [17:28] drwd, https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742 [17:29] I can watch it on android ok, listen. Ubuntu is better, you are all have a tip to bypass it. I talk about trick netflix requirement, agent for browser [17:29] lotuspsychje: hi [17:29]