[03:21] <profetik777> test
[03:21] <profetik777> anyone here?
[03:28] <duflu> Nobody in here but us chickens
[03:40] <JMD> lol
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:15] <om26er> on image 153, i can't enable adb, help ?
[08:32] <jibel> om26er, which device?
[08:45] <om26er> jibel, arale
[08:46] <om26er> jibel, the developer mode switch gets turned on, when I open the developer mode page again, its back to "off"
[08:46] <jibel> om26er, maybe it'll break in a couple of days then :) most recent build on arale is 153
[08:46] <jibel> om26er, which channel?
[08:47] <om26er> jibel, rc-proposed
[08:47] <om26er> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en-proposed
[08:48] <jibel> om26er, why propopoed-porposed? It's a channel for testing custom tarballs
[08:48] <jibel> ouch proposed/-proposed
[08:49] <om26er> jibel, hmm, i have been testing on that channel for a while, which channel do you recommend ?
[08:49] <jibel> om26er, rc-proposed/meizu.en
[08:49] <jibel> om26er, anyway it shouldn't make a difference for adb
[08:54] <jibel> om26er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels
[08:56] <om26er> jibel, thanks
[08:57] <ghwomb_> I've got an Bq Aquaris 5 and been bitten by the No Sound Bug. How can I find out which app that muted my phone? I do get sound through the headphone if it is attached.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Animation Day! 😃
[10:28] <ghwomb_> hello
[10:35] <abeato> pstolowski, hi, how are things going with silo 4? I noticed that there is now just one package not built for vivid
[10:39] <pstolowski> abeato, indeed. i'm on it, will update you soon
[10:41] <abeato> pstolowski, great, thanks
[10:51] <ghwomb_> Does anybody here know how to unmute the sound on my BQ Aquarius 5? I think I muted it with Cut the Rope, but that app has since kind of turned ransomware.
[11:30] <zelle> is there a public searchable/downloadable archive of ubuntu-phone mailing list?
[11:32] <Ghwomb> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ perhaps?
[11:38] <zelle> Ghwomb, thank you, I know this site. But there I couldn't find a way to do text seach, e.g. to get all mails which have "apt" in their body. Any suggestion? Thank you.
[11:41] <greyback_> zelle: use google: https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=cr,ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Flists.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu-phone%2F+apt
[11:41] <Ghwomb> Paste into Google: site:https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ apt
[11:42] <zelle> greyback_, Ghwomb: Thank you very much!
[11:42] <Ghwomb> You're welcome
[11:54] <john-mcaleely> anyone else seeing adb broken on rc-proposed latest
[11:54] <john-mcaleely> ?
[11:54] <john-mcaleely> jibel, I see it broken on #159 krillin
[11:55] <jibel> john-mcaleely, fresh flash with bootstrap?
[11:55] <john-mcaleely> oh, interesting. with a reboot, the setting has changed to off
[11:55] <john-mcaleely> jibel, yes, fresh flash. Actually with new device tarball, but given what om26er said, I think it's not the device tarball :-)
[11:56] <jibel> john-mcaleely, om26er said it was broken on arale but I didn't reproduce the problem on any device
[11:56] <john-mcaleely> hrm
[11:57] <jibel> there was a new system settings yesterday but it was already on previous image
[11:57] <john-mcaleely> jibel, I will repro on a stock image, then open  a bug
[11:57] <jibel> john-mcaleely, ok
[11:57] <ogra_> what john-mcaleely describes looks more like a backend issue than system-settings though
[11:57] <ogra_> (auto-off after reboot)
[11:58] <john-mcaleely> oh, interesting
[11:58] <jibel> ogra_, yeah but I was checking if a recent landing could have potentially broken this
[11:59] <ogra_> the low level is handled by android-gadget-service ... it proivides a dbus api that system-settings uses
[12:00] <jibel> ogra_, that would be in the device tarball?
[12:00] <popey> I just updated and adb works here...
[12:00] <ogra_> no
[12:01] <ogra_> thats a package in the rootfs
[12:01] <john-mcaleely> maybe you need to fresh flash as well then
[12:01] <john-mcaleely> I --bootstrap
[12:02] <jibel> anyhow just new langpacks and dialer/messaging/contact and ntpdate changed. nothing adb related
[12:03] <ogra_> jibel, it sets a persistent poroperty though ... if that one is broken in the device tarball that can cause havoc
[12:04] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, ^^^
[12:04] <jibel> john-mcaleely, from the ML you're not alone
[12:05] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, just checking on stock device tarball (that's not changed in aaaageees)
[12:06] <jibel> aaaageees being 2 months :)
[12:06] <john-mcaleely> yeah
[12:06] <john-mcaleely> aaaaageees would be 3 months!
[12:06] <ogra_> thats aaages !
[12:06] <ogra_> (is that two weeks ?)
[12:06] <john-mcaleely> possibly
[12:07] <john-mcaleely> might not ever be ages if it's weeks
[12:07] <ogra_> hah
[12:11] <john-mcaleely> confirmed on stock
[12:11] <john-mcaleely> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1510919
[12:15] <john-mcaleely> jibel, ^ :-(
[12:16] <jibel> ack
[12:17] <Ghwomb> Is there anyone who can help me unmute the sound on my BQ Aquaris 5? Cut the Rope and PathWind is unmuted, system reset did not help.
[12:20] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, jibel, not on upgraded systems though
[12:22] <jibel> ogra_, yeah, a bootstrap of krillin and it's broken
[12:22] <ogra_> right
[12:22] <jibel> you don't have too reboot, just close/open system-settings and the setting is gone
[12:23] <john-mcaleely> aha
[12:23] <jibel> to*
[12:23] <john-mcaleely> also broken on 158
[12:24] <ogra_> does /data/property/persist.sys.usb.config exist ?
[12:25] <jibel> john-mcaleely, and since our automated tests flash with dev mode it escaped the tests :(
[12:26] <john-mcaleely> hahahaha. trying to boot to recovery on my broken 158 device, it's auto-installing 159
[12:26] <john-mcaleely> I wonder when we'll fix *that* bug
[12:26] <john-mcaleely> (to see if that file ogra_ is curious about is present)
[12:27] <ogra_> oh, i meant on a running system :)
[12:27] <john-mcaleely> well, that would mean installing terminal...
[12:27] <john-mcaleely> I thought recovery would be easier :-)
[12:27] <ogra_> it should contain "mtp,adb" (no newline at the end)
[12:31] <jibel> john-mcaleely, ogra_ there is this warning in system-settings logs
[12:31] <jibel> 2015-10-28 12:20:55,500 - WARNING - QQmlExpression: Expression file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/about/DevMode.qml:94:30 depends on non-NOTIFYable properties:
[12:31] <jibel> 2015-10-28 12:20:55,501 - WARNING -     StorageAbout::developerMode
[12:32] <jibel> not sure if it means anything
[12:33] <ulrichard> Is there any hope for GPS on the aquaris 4.5?
[12:34] <jibel> john-mcaleely, yeah and no syslog because it's owned by the wrong group again :(
[12:35] <ogra_> ulrichard, works fine here if i disable wlan
[12:36] <ogra_> (using uNAV from the store)
[12:39] <ulrichard> ogra_: seriaously, the Wlan interferes with the GPS antenna? How did you find that out? Trying...
[12:40] <ogra_> ulrichard, no, it doesnt, the phone uses AGPS to find the GPS position faster ...
[12:41] <ogra_> if you move and have WLAN enabled it probably isnt fast enough to get an answer from the AGPS DB to find the position or some such
[12:41] <jibel> john-mcaleely, aha, on another device upgraded to 159 with adb enabled, I cannot *disable* dev mode
[12:41] <ogra_> it isnt an antenna problem, more one with the HERE provider
[12:42] <ogra_> the guy who wrote uNAV found that, wasnt me :)
[12:42] <ogra_> but following his advice gets me a stable GPS here
[12:44] <ulrichard> ogra_ : So maybe my phone has a hardware problem? The following command never returned anything not even on a mountain top:  ubuntu-location-serviced-cli --bus system --get --property visible_space_vehicles
[12:45] <ogra_> ah, thats a tvoss thing ... i havent played much with the location service commandline tools ...
[12:46] <ulrichard> ogra: So far I assumed all aquaris 4.5 GPS were not working, and would be fixed with some future system upgrade...
[12:47] <ogra_> did you agree to the HERE terms and conditions ?
[12:48] <ogra_> it shoudl definitely get your position from wlan if you dont move ... and it should also het a GPS position if there is line-of-sight between you and the sattelites (outdorrs)
[12:48] <popey> Interestingly I see no satellites on my rc-proposed e4.5
[12:48] <popey> but loads on my stable e4.5
[12:49] <ogra_> where it fails is when you move out of range of the WLAN and still have AGPS on
[12:49] <ulrichard> ogra_ : Is that required for the GPS to work? One reason to switch away from android was that I didn't want BigBrother to watch my every step.
[12:49] <ogra_> there is no big brother :)
[12:50] <ogra_> it doesnt send any info about you apart from asking "what sattelites should i be seeing when in range for these wlans"
[12:50] <ogra_> and with the returned data it will only query these specific satellites, so it connects a lot faster
[12:51] <ogra_> if you disable HERE/AGPS you should still get a GPS fix after the usual 15-30 min
[12:51] <ulrichard> ogra_ : So how does it not send the info about the WLAN's in rage?
[12:51] <ogra_> (if you are outdoors or close to a window)
[12:51] <ogra_> it does send that info ... but no other info
[12:52] <ogra_> nobody could guess from whom the request comes
[12:52] <ogra_> (at least not without additional data that you would have to provide yourself)
[13:02] <ogra_> jibel, werll, do you see the contents of /data/property/persist.sys.usb.config change when you toggle the switch ?
[13:10] <jgdx> jibel, ogra_: not seeing this on rc-proposed r272 on Mako.
[13:12] <ogra_> jgdx, seems to only happen when you do a --bootstrap install
[13:12] <jgdx> okay
[13:19] <jibel> ogra_, it's a problem with the port of system-settings to uitk 1.3
[13:19] <ogra_> yeah
[13:20] <ogra_> well, or the missing port of android-gadget-service to some new dbus model
[13:20] <ogra_> could be either side thats broken :)
[13:47] <balloons> Elleo, hey, I didn't ping you back the link yesterday, sorry about that. Here's the session and day/time slot. Let me know if it all looks good. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22608/game-development-for-the-ubuntu-phone/
[13:49] <Elleo> balloons: yep, looks good :)
[14:02] <Elleo> kenvandine: are there any instructions on packaging apps for use via libertine?
[14:03] <kenvandine> Elleo, libertine apps are just debs from the archive
[14:03] <kenvandine> so you can install them with apt-get
[14:03] <kenvandine> actually
[14:03] <kenvandine> not apt-get :)
[14:03] <kenvandine> libertine_container_manager
[14:03] <kenvandine> can install them
[14:04] <kenvandine> Elleo, however... only the demo apps are launchable :)
[14:04] <kenvandine> unless you craft your own desktop files
[14:04] <kenvandine> libertine_container_manager install-package -i puritine -p gimp
[14:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, assuming your container is named puritine
[14:05] <Elleo> kenvandine: cool, thanks
[14:23] <letatcest> Hi, i have a problem with adb devices after flasing to the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en channel
[14:24] <letatcest> ie. the device cannot be found anymore
[14:24] <cwayne> letatcest: seems to be a known issue, just saw a mail about it on the mailing list
[14:25] <jgdx> letatcest, bug 1510919
[14:25] <letatcest> Ah! nice it is known ;) but how do I flash to another
[14:26] <letatcest> ah, thanks (it was of course we wanted to try the convergence! which didn't work with the rc-proposed channel, or we missed something of course)
[14:29] <mhall119> oSoMoN: would you be able to run a session at UOS next week discussing how the ubuntu browser was designed to adapt between phone, tablet and desktop form factors?
[14:29] <letatcest> so.. how would I flash back to the stable image without adb present?
[14:31] <letatcest> by the way, it may not be very important now. How could we check if 'convergence' actually works? We have a usb-hdmi-cable, but if we use it, nothing happens on the compter screen
[14:38] <oSoMoN> mhall119, I could probably do that, if there’s interest in it. not sure how long a session on that topic can be, it’s not really rocket science
[14:39] <mhall119> oSoMoN: I know, but it's a really nice example of adapting intelligently, rather than just "scaling up"
[14:40] <mcphail> That "libertine" thing looks interesting. How would a package like The GIMP work if it is running under confinement? Will Ubuntu Personal relax the confinement rules so packages can access more files and directories?
[14:41] <mhall119> pmcgowan: can your team propose a few topics around convergence to either discuss what you'll be working on this cycle or show off what is already landing/landed?
[14:41] <mhall119> mcphail: find out on next week's exciting episode of "Ubuntu Online Summit" :)
[14:42] <mcphail> Ha! Would I need to register?
[14:42] <pmcgowan> mhall119, bfiller could, probably most interesting for new app layouts
[14:43] <pmcgowan> mhall119, if that was the topic for osomon, you could do a session to cover all the apps inc browser
[14:43] <mhall119> pmcgowan: ack, I've got a designer who is going to talk about designing adaptive UIs
[14:43] <mhall119> pmcgowan: that would be great
[14:44] <pmcgowan> lets see what bill says
[15:25] <abeato> pstolowski, hey, I the next/prev buttons in indicator-sound are not enabled when I play something from the scope
[15:25] <abeato> pstolowski, however they are when using music-app
[15:25] <abeato> jhodapp, ^^
[15:25] <pstolowski> abeato, are you using my test mp3 files or your own?
[15:25] <abeato> pstolowski, my own
[15:26] <abeato> pstolowski, but I see songs grouped in albums
[15:26] <pstolowski> abeato, may be a difference in how music app uses qml playlist
[15:26] <abeato> so should be the same
[15:26] <pstolowski> abeato, the scope exposes playlist with tracks from *same* album only (of currently played song)
[15:26] <abeato> pstolowski, yep, I am seeing that
[15:27] <jhodapp> pstolowski, so you call playlist.addSource() for an album at a time?
[15:27] <jhodapp> pstolowski, if you're only adding one track, then the buttons will remain disabled
[15:27] <pstolowski> jhodapp, i'm not, scope is not doing anything qml side. tsdgeos ?
[15:28] <jhodapp> pstolowski, oh what's interacting with the playlist then?
[15:28] <pstolowski> jhodapp, the scopes asks mediascanner lib for other songs of same album, and adds all them to the list. this works well with the mp3s I linked to in the email.
[15:28] <pstolowski> jhodapp, unity8 & tsdgeos's code
[15:29] <jhodapp> abeato, try looking at the media-hub output when you press play on an album in the new scope...you should see if one track is added or many
[15:29] <jhodapp> and if added to the same player & playlist object instance
[15:30] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: many
[15:30] <tsdgeos> othewise you could not skip in the indicator
[15:30] <tsdgeos> and you can
[15:30] <tsdgeos> i don't know why there's a delay of like 5 seconds though
[15:30] <tsdgeos> here's the code https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/audioCardSupport/+merge/271605
[15:30] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what delay?
[15:31] <tsdgeos> everything freezes
[15:31] <pstolowski> yeah, what i mentioned in the emailk
[15:31] <tsdgeos> basically what pawel mentions in the email
[15:31] <pstolowski> :)
[15:32] <jhodapp> yeah I've seen that as well occasionally...do either of you have a lot of wifi APs nearby or a roaming wifi network?
[15:32] <jhodapp> pstolowski, tsdgeos ^
[15:32] <tsdgeos> nope
[15:33] <pstolowski> i've 5 APs in the neighborhood, but how would that affect it only when hitting play?
[15:34] <jhodapp> pstolowski, there's been some general dbus slowness that we've been trying to track down...one that seems associated with roaming wifi
[15:34] <jhodapp> pstolowski, so you only see this when you hit play? can you describe what happens a bit more step by step?
[15:35] <pstolowski> jhodapp, i'm following the steps from bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1496736
[15:35] <pstolowski> jhodapp, after step 3 it starts playing immediately, but UI is unresponsive for a few seconds
[15:36] <jhodapp> pstolowski, ok
[15:36] <jhodapp> abeato, so this would be what we should track down ^
[15:37] <pstolowski> abeato, if your songs are not considered to be a single album as expected during playback in music scope, can you check their tags (compare with songs I shared?), or share them with me so I can take a look. it would be good to understand why that is happening
[15:40] <jhodapp> pstolowski, do you see the next/previous enable in indicator-sound when you play an album with the new music-scope?
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> dobey: awake mate?
[15:41] <pstolowski> jhodapp, yes, and they work
[15:41] <jhodapp> pstolowski, ok great, then abeato must be hitting a scenario like you just mentioned then
[15:42] <jhodapp> pstolowski, tsdgeos btw, give silo 9 a try...these have all the rest of the background playlist fixes and would appreciate you testing your silo with silo 9
[15:42] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: ok
[15:42] <pstolowski> jhodapp, sure
[15:42] <jhodapp> thanks
[15:44] <jhodapp> abeato, looks like the currentSource being empty isn't happening anymore according to tsdgeos so would you mind seeing if you can reproduce and trace what's causing the ~5s delay when pressing play from the new music-scope?
[15:45] <abeato> jhodapp, yep, trying to track that down
[15:45] <jhodapp> abeato, awesome thanks...I'll join you in that hunt after I test our silo
[15:45] <abeato> jhodapp, what I have seen some times is duplicated entries in the list
[15:45] <abeato> jhodapp, have you ever seen that?
[15:46] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, do you call addTrack(QUrl) one at a time, or can you use the new addTracks(QList<QUrl>)?
[15:46] <jhodapp> abeato, from the media-hub side?
[15:46] <jhodapp> or in the new scope?
[15:46] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: one at a time
[15:46] <abeato> I'd say it's media-hub
[15:46] <jhodapp> abeato, I haven't seen that no
[15:47] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I'd recommend using the new addTracks()...it performs much better
[15:48] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: any reason for such a difference? i'm not even playing at that point
[15:48] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, also, just a note, but the tracks aren't gauranteed to have been added to the tracklist until you get a trackInserted() signal
[15:48] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, dbus performance issues
[15:48] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, tvoss is looking into it...most likely a dbus-cpp issue
[15:49] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: what does that mean "the tracks aren't guaranteed to have been added"
[15:49] <tsdgeos> that i need to wait before play?
[15:49] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yes
[15:49] <tsdgeos> hoesntly that API is bad then
[15:49] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, it's the MPRIS spec
[15:50] <tsdgeos> as a API user, i add tracks and play
[15:50] <tsdgeos> if you need to wait for something
[15:50] <jhodapp> not my design :)
[15:50] <tsdgeos> it's your problem, not something the user needs to care about
[15:50] <tsdgeos> i'm not using the mpris speac
[15:50] <tsdgeos> i'm usong the Audio object
[15:50] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, but you're a user of the API and that's how it works
[15:51] <tsdgeos> i'm just saying the API is bad
[15:51] <jhodapp> why does it matter anyway, it's not like it's going to take seconds
[15:51] <jhodapp> milliseconds
[15:51] <tsdgeos> makes all its users worry about something they should not worry about
[15:51] <jhodapp> in your opinion
[15:52] <jhodapp> there's reasons for it
[15:52] <tsdgeos> all i say it's always in my opinion
[15:52] <tsdgeos> obviously :D
[15:52] <tsdgeos> what is one of the reasons?
[15:52] <jhodapp> right, and I'm just explaining I can't change it as we're following the MPRIS spec
[15:53] <jhodapp> the mediaCount for the playlist is not correct until that signal has fired
[15:54] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: you're telling me the api is one such that addTrack() followed by a "give me the numbers of tracks" returns 0?
[15:55] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, well 0 or whatever it was last time...it's asynchronous
[15:56] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, read the note here: http://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/Track_List_Interface.html#Method:AddTrack
[15:57] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: there's no addTracks in there
[15:57] <tsdgeos> are we making the API better?
[15:57] <pstolowski> jhodapp, no improvement with silo 9 when it comes to 5 secs freeze
[15:57] <jhodapp> pstolowski, ok
[15:58] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yes only because of our dbus issues
[15:58] <abeato> pstolowski, I still do not see the indicator-sound buttons enabled with your mp3 files
[15:58] <pstolowski> abeato, interesting
[15:58] <tsdgeos> abeato: where are you playing from?
[15:58] <abeato> pstolowski, I go to the album and start playing one of the songs
[15:59] <jhodapp> abeato, what does the media-hub output look like? do you see multiple tracks added?
[15:59] <pstolowski> abeato, no, you need to go to tracks department and play the track
[15:59] <abeato> jhodapp, only one mp3 added to the track list
[15:59] <jhodapp> oh well that's why
[15:59] <pstolowski> abeato, and you need to be playing the track from the results list (play button over the song card), not from the preview - see my screenshot
[16:00] <jhodapp> pstolowski, how do you get to the results list?
[16:00] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: he already said "you need to go to tracks department and play the track"
[16:01] <tsdgeos> do you know what the tracks department is?
[16:01] <tsdgeos> i can confirm the freeze is not gone with silo 9
[16:02] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I don't, no...I need to try again though because I had nothing valid showing last time I tried silo 4 the other day
[16:04] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: abeato: http://i.imgur.com/1OLzfsb.png
[16:05] <tsdgeos> the tracks department
[16:05] <abeato> tsdgeos, got it
[16:05] <jhodapp> ok
[16:06] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, oh I see you can select a category
[16:11] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone noticed after the recent unity8 update that 'flicking' doesn't work anymore in various places, such as the app spread and indicators ?
[16:11] <jhodapp> ahayzen, I just noticed that today as well in the initial setup wizard
[16:12] <ahayzen> :(
[16:12]  * ahayzen wonders if there a bug report somewhere
[16:14] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, how are you seeing that?
[16:14] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, for example, open loads of apps and open the spread, then press, drag a little bit a lift...before it would carry the velocity .. now things just stop instantly
[16:15] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, I see it when scrolling through the wifi list on the initial setup wizard
[16:15] <ahayzen> same happens when scrolling horizontally/vertically in the indicators
[16:15] <ahayzen> and on the launcher
[16:15] <Ghwomb> Is there anyone who can help me unmute the sound on my BQ Aquaris 5? Cut the Rope and PathWind is unmuted, system reset did not help.
[16:16] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, I see bah
[16:16] <pmcgowan> Saviq, ^^
[16:17] <pmcgowan> hmm not sure
[16:18] <Saviq> pmcgowan, confirmed, got an idea though
[16:21] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: track_index_lut.size():  360
[16:21] <tsdgeos> does this mean i have 360 songs in the playlist?
[16:21] <jhodapp> yes
[16:21] <tsdgeos> something is very wrong
[16:21] <tsdgeos> i have like 10
[16:21] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, tell me how to reproduce and I can investigate
[16:22] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: function playSource(newSource, newPlaylist) { in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/audioCardSupport/+merge/271605
[16:22] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what's that?
[16:22] <tsdgeos> basically stop audio, unset playlist, clear playlist, addtracks, set index, start playing
[16:22] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: code?
[16:22] <tsdgeos> D:
[16:22] <tsdgeos> i don't understand the question
[16:23] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I was just wondering why you listed code
[16:24] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: ah i thought you meant what the code was doing instead of how to reproduce with clicks :)
[16:24] <Saviq> pmcgowan, ok, idea wrong, will file bug / find where it broke
[16:24] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, no just the steps to reproduce from a user of silo 4 perspective
[16:24] <Saviq> ahayzen, thanks for the heads-up
[16:24] <ahayzen> Saviq, no problem
[16:26] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: just play from the tracks deparment
[16:26] <tsdgeos> first play goes to 10, second play is now 30
[16:26] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, ok my guess is that clear() is not working in your case
[16:26] <abeato> jhodapp, that's what I've seen too
[16:27] <Saviq> pmcgowan, ahayzen actually, there's a bug for it already bug #1510571
[16:27] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: there's also a weird behaviour in that if i play from playlist and then play from source that is ignored and the old song is played
[16:27] <ahayzen> Saviq, ah cool, it just happens in more places that just the spread it seems :-)
[16:27] <Saviq> ahayzen, can you comment on the bug please where else you see it?
[16:28] <ahayzen> Saviq, will do :-)
[16:28] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what do you mean play from source?
[16:28] <Saviq> might help us pinpoint the issue
[16:28] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: in terms of how to reproduce from the ui is "go to tracks, play song 1, now go to preview of song 2 (by clicking on it not on the play icon), play from there, first song plays instead of second (and the url shows as the second one playing)"
[16:28] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: i mean audio.source = url;
[16:29] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, oh interesting, that is a bug...you can get around that for now by always using the playlist even if there's only one track in it
[16:30] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, would you mind filing a bug for that along with how to reproduce?
[16:30] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, file it against the media-hub source package
[16:30] <tsdgeos> ok, doing
[16:32] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, thanks
[16:33] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: abeato: pstolowski: since we can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1496736 anymore want me to close it?
[16:33] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, sure
[16:33] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: and i guess open another one for the delay that happens when trying to play?
[16:34] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yes please
[16:34] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, jhodapp okay as long as we have a new one for ui responsiveness
[16:34] <faenil> Saviq: I have to implement a behaviour which is only applied when a mouse is attached (independent of window mode)...is there any way to get that info at the moment? if not, is it coming anytime soon?
[16:35] <faenil> (this is related to scrollbars, fwiw)
[16:35] <Saviq> faenil, depends, is presence alone enough, or hover required
[16:35] <Saviq> ?
[16:36] <faenil> Saviq: both, but I'm looking for presence
[16:36] <jhodapp> pstolowski, yeah tsdgeos is adding one
[16:36] <faenil> as in, the main flag that makes the switch is the presence of a mouse
[16:36] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, pstolowski so abeato can't reproduce the freeze in music-app or the scope
[16:37] <jhodapp> when the freeze happens for you, is the entire system unresponsive as in even the dash isn't responding?
[16:37] <Saviq> faenil, what's supposed to happen depending on that main flag?
[16:37] <greyback_> faenil: there are plans for mir to export that info, but for now, the qinputinfo plugin might be what you need
[16:38] <faenil> Saviq: at the moment scrollbars become non-overlay when a mouse is connected
[16:38] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: abeato: yes you can't scroll the dash
[16:38] <faenil> s/at the moment/in the future
[16:38] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yeah there's some weird dbus interaction going on then
[16:39] <Saviq> faenil, so stuff changes visually just because you connect a mouse
[16:39] <Saviq> ?
[16:39] <faenil> Saviq: yes
[16:39] <faenil> Saviq: it's nothing final, but there will be something that depends on whether a mouse is connected, most likely
[16:39] <faenil> or so it seems
[16:39] <Saviq> faenil, just a note that we should avoid that if possible, but scrollbars might just make sense for that
[16:40] <faenil> Saviq: sure, we should avoid...
[16:40] <Saviq> faenil, we have a copy of a "inputinfo" module from future Qt that mzanetti maintains for us in unity8
[16:41] <Saviq> not sure if it'd work for apps, though (confinement)
[16:41] <faenil> greyback_: sorry, just read your msg
[16:41] <mzanetti> Saviq, we should make it work for apps...
[16:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, not directly IMO
[16:41] <faenil> :/
[16:41] <faenil> are we becoming paranoid about everything now? :)
[16:41] <mzanetti> Saviq, either by replacing the backend to read info from mir or something...
[16:42] <mzanetti> but the api should be available to apps
[16:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, I mean that there needs to be a central place where we apply quirks
[16:42] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: pstolowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511029 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511034
[16:42] <mzanetti> Saviq, yes, custom backend is probably the answer
[16:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, right, I'm just saying it's not necessary for every app to enumerate the input devices
[16:42] <abeato> tsdgeos, that's great, thanks
[16:42] <jhodapp> thanks tsdgeos
[16:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, totally +1 that the API should be available
[16:43] <Saviq> faenil, so yeah, you could try to borrow the inputinfo module from us, not sure if it'll Just Work™, though
[16:44] <Saviq> faenil, and it's not about being paranoid, but do you want a malicious app to change your input configuration? ;)
[16:45] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: the first one may also be because we calling addTrack instead of addTracks
[16:45] <tsdgeos> i'll investigate that tomorrow
[16:45] <tsdgeos> and comment on the bug
[16:45] <faenil> Saviq: not change, but read the state..
[16:45] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I don't think it's causing that first issue, but I'd still recommend changing to use addTracks([]) instead
[16:46] <Saviq> faenil, well, that's the problem, the low level APIs are not as fine grained
[16:46] <Saviq> faenil, so we need something in between
[17:25] <drwd> Hello everybody, I have a question. ok
[17:25] <drwd> I want to know if I will be allowed to watch netflix on ubuntu phone
[17:26] <mcphail> drwd: Ubuntu will allow you, but netflix won't
[17:26]  * ogra_ doesnt deny 
[17:26] <ogra_> so go ahead if you can convince netflix
[17:26] <ogra_> :)
[17:26] <jibel> drwd, you'd need a client that supports netflix and only chrome does on ubuntu afaik
[17:26] <drwd> Please tell me a tip to bypass it
[17:27] <mcphail> drwd: you can't. Not on the phone, I'm afraid
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> my scopes get freezed in the middle of 2 scopes after sliding a few on BQ 4.5 anyone seen that before?
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> left bar can still be moved, but i can only reboot phone to get things working again
[17:28] <jibel> drwd, https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742
[17:29] <drwd> I can watch it on android ok, listen. Ubuntu is better, you are all have a tip to bypass it. I talk about trick netflix requirement, agent for browser
[17:29] <dobey> lotuspsychje: hi
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> hey dobey
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> dobey: just wanted to tell you my above issue
[17:30] <dobey> drwd: build a version of the proprietary google chrome for the phone, and then you'd be able to watch it in that.
[17:31] <dobey> lotuspsychje: no idea. sounds like a bug in unity8 perhaps. you should report it
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> ok
[17:33] <drwd> Can I build Chrome on ubuntu phone?
[17:33] <mcphail> drwd: no
[17:33] <mcphail> drwd: there is no way to watch netflix on the Ubuntu phone just now
[17:34] <drwd> How can I watch it then?
[17:34] <mcphail> drwd: on something else
[17:34] <jibel> drwd, it is not a question of trick it is a question of DRM and the extensions are only available on the proprietary chrome
[17:35] <drwd> You mean the ubuntu is limited ?
[17:36] <dobey> drwd: no, netflix is
[17:36] <ogra_> netflix applies copy protection that only chrome can play back
[17:36] <ogra_> so without the closed source plugin from chrome there is no way to play their videos
[17:37] <dobey> hmm
[17:38] <ogra_> hacking the user agent will get you access to the page ... but videos will only show a black screen when playing
[17:38] <drwd> Bug?
[17:39] <ogra_> ?
[17:39] <mcphail> drwd: yes - file it wth netflix
[17:39] <drwd> Black screen a bug?
[17:39] <dobey> there is no google chrome for armhf
[17:39] <ogra_> drwd, no, it is what netflix set
[17:39] <dobey> no it's not a bug
[17:39] <ogra_> sets
[17:39] <jibel> drwd, or ask google to port chrome to the Ubuntu phone ;)
[17:39] <dobey> it is because netflix do not support browsers other than google chrome
[17:40] <ogra_> drwd, netflix does not allow other browsers to play back their videos ... not a bug
[17:40] <jibel> well, it supports IE and Safari
[17:40] <dobey> not chromium, but the official proprietary google chrome browser
[17:40] <jibel> but not on Ubuntu
[17:40] <ogra_> indeed
[17:41] <drwd> Come on guys, we have the power... we need a hero.
[17:41] <dobey> no, we don't have the power
[17:41] <dobey> google's attornies haven't given it to us
[17:41] <ogra_> drwd, cracking netflix' copy protection you mean ?
[17:41] <ogra_> good luck with that
[17:41] <jibel> drwd, be the hero then
[17:41] <mcphail> drwd: you have the power to not give netflix your subscription fees, with an explanation why you are leaving
[17:41] <drwd> I have the premium account, so I need to play
[17:42] <dobey> drwd: then complain to netflix that they don't support ubuntu phone
[17:42] <dobey> maybe you can convince them to write an app for ubuntu phone
[17:42] <ogra_> or to provide a simple decryption plugin
[17:42] <dobey> lol "simple"
[17:42] <ogra_> (which someone else could use in his app)
[17:42] <drwd> I am only a man ( sexy man) I cant change the world.
[17:43] <ogra_> dobey, i dont mind writing an app with a black box where i pipe the stream in :)
[17:43] <drwd> Netflix work on android and xbox ( apps)
[17:43] <dobey> ogra_: we already have an app. all that's required is google building official chrome for armhf; then it's a rather trivial thing to do with a webapp and a little magic install
[17:44] <jibel> you can always record the shows from your tv with the camera of the phone and then play it back later :P
[17:44] <dobey> drwd: netflix provide the apps for those yes
[17:44] <ogra_> dobey, true
[17:44] <dobey> drwd: so go complain to netflix
[17:44] <dobey> does netflix work on a chromebook?
[17:44] <drwd> I guess
[17:44] <ogra_> you can also just use free streaming portals ... and watch 10 year old movies instead :)
[17:45] <ogra_> dobey, it uses the closed chrome ...
[17:45] <dobey> or movies that will come out in 10 days
[17:45] <dobey> depending on where you get the movies
[17:45] <ogra_> (chromebook)
[17:45] <drwd> Ok tell me to do, slap google face or slap netflix face
[17:45]  * mcphail thought the DRM plugin came from Adobe, rather than Google
[17:45] <dobey> drwd: both
[17:46] <dobey> mcphail: no, it's all from google
[17:46] <drwd> Slap
[17:46] <mcphail> dobey: are Adobe going to make the plugin for Firefox? I'm sure they were involved somewhere in all of this mess
[17:46] <dobey> mcphail: it's not using flash for netflix i don't think. but the flash in chrome is licensed to google from adobe, so google builds it
[17:46] <dobey> mcphail: no, it's not flash
[17:47] <dobey> mcphail: it's html5 video with the enhanced media extensions stuff for the drm
[17:47] <mcphail> dobey: no - I know it isn;t flash. I mean the HTML5 DRM plugin
[17:47] <drwd> They spy my ass, they spy my device, but they dont allow me to watch movies smh
[17:48] <mcphail> dobey: found it - https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/05/12/update-on-digital-rights-management-and-firefox/
[17:49] <drwd> Firefox is not allowed too
[17:50] <dobey> mcphail: don't know what that has to do with google chrome.
[17:50]  * mcphail sighs
[17:50] <dobey> and i certainly can't watch DRMed video in firefox
[17:50] <ogra_> because you never tried :P
[17:51] <drwd> I hear the netflix have had an api but it was removed...
[17:51] <dobey> ogra_: i tried again just now
[17:51] <ogra_> ah
[17:51] <dobey> i don't get any pop-up to install anything. youtube just gives me "An error occurred" for a purchased video
[17:51] <mcphail> I don't think the CDM made it into Linux builds, and think Netflix don't accept it anyway
[17:52] <ogra_> well, they could just provide a binary blob ... like spotify does
[17:52] <drwd> Meanwhile we need a dual option to do things, for example an android system like gingerbread ( 500 mb or less )
[17:52] <dobey> i don't have netflix, so meh. but it would be nice to get all of youtube in firefox
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> dobey: something like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1511063
[17:52] <dobey> lotuspsychje: sure
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> dobey: tnx
[17:53] <dobey> drwd: good luck with that
[17:53] <drwd> Can I report like bug it ? dual boot option
[17:54] <dobey> it's not a bug
[17:54] <drwd> It is a tool
[17:54] <dobey> ubuntu phone is not going to include android as a dual boot solution
[17:54] <dobey> if you want dual boot, use multirom in android
[17:55] <drwd> No ty
[17:55] <drwd> I want ubuntu like main system
[17:56] <drwd> We have space enough to do the dual boot, u are all know it.
[17:57] <mcphail> drwd: I look forward to trying it when you implement it :)
[17:57] <drwd> Froyo or gingerbread.. space enough
[17:57] <dobey> the solution for dual boot is multirom. if you want to run android apps within ubuntu, that is a separate thing, and isn't going to happen natively. you're welcome to try building a package with an android VM that runs android apps within itself, though
[17:58] <dobey> why would you even want to run such an old android that isn't even supported by google any longer?
[17:59] <drwd> Fuck google, I want to watch netflix and I will solve the issue.
[17:59] <mcphail> drwd: please moderate your language
[17:59] <drwd> Excuse me
[18:00] <dobey> well, good luck
[18:00] <drwd> I said gingerbread because the jelly bean has big size
[18:01] <ogra_> blog about it when you implemented it
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:02] <ogra_> surely an interesting read
[18:02] <drwd> Smh
[18:03] <dobey> i can't remember what silly names google uses for what versions
[18:03] <dobey> or did they just skip k?
[18:04] <ogra_> dobey, you mean if they skipped kitkat ?
[18:04] <dobey> oh, right, i forgot about kitkat
[18:04] <ogra_> :)
[18:04] <dobey> so which one is 4.4.4?
[18:05] <ogra_> 4.x is kitkat
[18:05] <dobey> 445M Sep 16  2014 occam-ktu84p-factory-b6ac3ad6.tgz
[18:05] <ogra_> iirc
[18:05] <pmcgowan> good thing we dont use silly names
[18:05] <drwd> Kit kat is big too and the hardware is not able to support kitkat and ubuntu
[18:05] <ogra_> pmcgowan, beyond that guy that like to give things animal names you mean ?
[18:06] <dobey> 445M is too big?
[18:06] <dobey> lol
[18:06] <ogra_> *likes
[18:06] <drwd> I will buy a new device if someone says ubuntu will have dual boot.
[18:06] <dobey> dual boot already exists
[18:06] <dobey> it's called multirom
[18:07] <drwd> I mean dual boot for ubuntu
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> why watch netflix on such small phone screen
[18:07] <drwd> Dude lol, I cant watch it
[18:07] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, better a small screen than no screen ;)
[18:07]  * mcphail likes watching films on a phone
[18:07] <ogra_> at least when watching a movie a small screen is more worth than none :)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> i like n7 just for movies and i find it small lol
[18:08] <ogra_> you dont fly much :)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> ok ok i rest my case :p
[18:08] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: if you are as myopic as me, a phone screen is the perfect size to watch without your glasses on a lazy Sunday morning
[18:08] <drwd> Dude the phone is better when u are traveling. U cant take the tv
[18:08] <ogra_> in-flight systems usually have a "big" 7" screen ...
[18:09] <ogra_> with a 640x480 resolution :)
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> you guys also tap screen every few minutes to get brightness back
[18:09] <ogra_> so there your n7 would easily smart out the picture quality
[18:09]  * ogra_ doesnt tap  the screen when playing back a movie, no 
[18:09] <dobey> an official ubuntu phone that dual boots android would be pointless
[18:10] <ogra_> i just write my apps in a way they properly keep the screen on ;)
[18:10] <dobey> nobody would use ubuntu, because they'd have all their apps in android
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: aha
[18:10] <ogra_> try the clipfish app ...
[18:10] <drwd> Canonical will have more clients or customizers
[18:10] <ogra_> (though only german movies there ... with ads)
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: is there a youtube apps that doesnt get dark
[18:10] <ogra_> i think the last one should play fine
[18:11] <ogra_> there was an update the last days
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ok ill try it
[18:11] <ogra_> also the browser should havee that fix too
[18:11] <pmcgowan> yes
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ah i didnt test that1 tnx!
[18:12] <dobey> watching movies on my phone is a great way to have a barbecue
[18:12] <drwd> I hope the OTA 8 allow us to download any file, I cant download any movie ....
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> there was popcorn time for ubuntu right, but got reported?
[18:13] <ogra_> dobey, nah,, you need two phones to properly distribute the heat
[18:13] <dobey> ogra_: not with a nexus 5 :)
[18:13] <ogra_> one top, one bottom
[18:13] <mcphail> ogra_: one for the vegetarians?
[18:13] <pmcgowan> drwd, that got pushed to ota9 sadly
[18:13] <dobey> you just turn the sausage
[18:14] <ogra_> pfft
[18:14] <drwd> Oh man, are u kidding me? the time is short...
[18:14] <ogra_> lol
[18:15] <dobey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heiyM61dfio
[18:18] <drwd> Guys I have a question, I blocks google ads ok, for example    127.0.0.1  google.ads.doubleclickt.net,  but google will show me ada again..
[18:19] <drwd> *ads again
[18:19] <dobey> yeah, google are smart enough to not serve ads from a single domain
[18:19] <drwd> I am using the dns 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4
[18:20] <dobey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwrxKtciZhQ
[18:21] <drwd> I have a lot of links blocked right in /etc/hosts
[18:22] <drwd> But each day I see a new ads, wtf?
[18:23] <dobey> you haven't blocked all of them
[18:23] <drwd> I do the temporaly mount, sudo mount /dev/loop0 / -o remount,rw
[18:23] <dobey> the only way to guarantee you don't see ads on web sites, is to not look at web sites
[18:24] <ogra_> or use intelligent duct tape (the one that moves in place of the ads on a page)
[18:25] <drwd> I block the link right for example play.google.com, but if I do ping google.play.com I will see google.l.play.com wtf?
[18:25] <ogra_> can you please tame your language ...
[18:25] <dobey> or get some joo janta 200 super-chromatic peril sensitive sunglasses
[18:25] <ogra_> dobey, +1
[18:25] <ogra_> :)
[18:25] <drwd> What does is tame dude im a bit lost
[18:26] <ogra_> drwd, please stop the cursing
[18:26] <ogra_> it isnt appropriate for ubuntu channels
[18:26] <drwd> Ok I got u, Im gentleman believe me.
[18:26] <ogra_> (this is what "tame your language2 means)
[18:33] <dobey> while you're making a netflix app, go ahead and make one for amazon videos, and another for amazon music, too
[18:34] <drwd> Dude I will make with ads lol
[18:35] <ogra_> go ahead :)
[18:35]  * ogra_ doesnt mind ads ... someone has to pay for it after all
[18:35] <ogra_> thanks to ads it isnt me
[18:36] <dobey> ads are the debil
[18:36] <ogra_> heh
[18:36] <drwd> Daddy needs money $$$$
[18:38] <dobey> feel free to apply at amazon or netflix. both are pretty much always hiring people
[18:40] <drwd> I will talk with netflix smh
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> teamviewer to your desktop playing netflix :p
[18:42] <drwd> Teamviewer does not work on ubuntu phone
[18:42] <ogra_> real hardcore people run IE in an i386 chroot under wine :P
[18:43] <drwd> I think I will watch netflix if canonical fix the desktop version on phone.
[18:43] <ogra_> "fix the desktop version on phone" ?
[18:43] <ogra_> what does that mean
[18:43] <drwd> Yep
[18:43] <dobey> go buy an x86 phone and you can watch it no problem
[18:43] <drwd> It is not complete
[18:44] <ogra_> what makes you think you could then watch netflix ?
[18:44] <dobey> what is not complete?
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Netflix-Working-on-Ubuntu-Touch-Native-App-460846.shtml
[18:44] <drwd> For example the mir?
[18:44] <tathhu> Browser needs more DRM :P
[18:44] <ogra_> google doesnt offer chrome for armhf ... as long as they dont do that there wont be a browser to watch netflix
[18:44] <dobey> what does mir have to do with completeness?
[18:45] <ogra_> no matter in what state the desktop is in
[18:45] <ogra_> if google doesnt give you the browser you cant use it
[18:45] <ogra_> as dobey said, get an x86 phone and you can even make it work today (with some hackery)
[18:46] <dobey> get an x86 phone and you can even play steam on it :)
[18:46] <ogra_> on an arm phone it wont work
[18:46] <ogra_> yeah !
[18:46] <dobey> or buy me an arm chromebook
[18:47] <dobey> or tell me where to pull the chrome bits off the web for it
[18:47] <drwd> Yes very nice but wait a moment, oops, the battery will die more
[18:47] <dobey> lol. you want to watch netflix on a phone, and are worried about battery life?
[18:47] <drwd> I think we need the modular phone like google
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> every day magic happens for ubuntu touch
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> its just a metter of time
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> how you guys like my xenial dekstop: http://oi68.tinypic.com/sm4z0g.jpg
[18:59] <popey> uuuugh
[18:59] <popey> soo many adverts
[19:12] <dobey> lotuspsychje: is that digital blasphemy?
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> dobey: not sure whom to punish :p
[19:14] <dobey> lotuspsychje: eh? i wasn't making a joke
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> dobey: explain what you mean then
[19:15] <OerHeks> is it a touchscreen ?
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: not its my xenial desktop
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu desktop
[19:15] <dobey> lotuspsychje: http://digitalblasphemy.com/seeall.shtml?y=2015&t=0&w=&h=&r=1&f=0
[19:15] <dobey> (i didn't realize digital blasphemy was still around though)
[19:16] <mimecar> Good afternoon...
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> dobey: ah you mean that actual website? no its from deviantart
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> hey mimecar
[19:17] <dobey> the style of that wallpaper made me think of the db wallpapers