[08:37] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Animation Day! 😃
[10:07] <knightwise> morning :)
[10:10] <JamesTait> I miss davmor2's youtube links.
[10:10] <JamesTait> Who said he could go on holiday?
[10:13] <zmoylan-pi> his boss?
[10:27] <knightwise>  yo peeps , how are you doing ?
[10:28] <JamesTait> 👋  knightwise
[13:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:25] <diddledan_> yawn
[15:02] <Azelphur> I'm after something kinda like githubs issue tracker, but just the issue tracker, so me and a few people can collaborate on things. Anyone have any ideas?
[15:06] <diddledan_> Azelphur: it might be way too featurefull but redmine is good
[15:07] <diddledan_> alternatively there's the age-old bugzilla (it needn't be bugs)
[15:10] <diddledan_> Azelphur: this might help choose one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems
[15:18] <awilkins> You can turn off most of the features in Redmine and just leave the issue tracking
[15:18] <awilkins> I am biased because I can spin instances of it up relatively quickly
[15:19] <awilkins> And I like it better than single-task things like Bugzilla
[15:19] <awilkins> I used to use Trac, that's pretty simple to use on Ubuntu as it has good packages
[15:19] <diddledan_> yeah I would recommend redmine
[15:19] <awilkins> Redmine > Trac because Redmine supports multiple projects in a single instance
[15:20] <awilkins> Trac needs an extra instance per project
[15:20] <awilkins> Redmine + redmine_backlogs plugin is a nice, functional Agile / Scrum board type thing
[15:22] <Azelphur> was after something that is hosted not be me
[15:22] <Azelphur> because I'm lazy :P
[16:07] <awilkins> Azelphur, https://www.digitalocean.com/features/one-click-apps/redmine/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=NB_SEM&utm_campaign=Alpha_Features_UK&utm_content=v2_NP_hp&utm_term=redmine%20hosting&adgroup=24105426445&matchtype=e&network=g&device=c&position=1t1
[16:07] <Azelphur> fun :)
[16:08] <awilkins> The $5 a month option is more than adequate for a small team
[16:08] <awilkins> Mine is running on a Raspberry Pi 2 behind my TV, and the DB is on my NAS box.
[16:09] <awilkins> But it worked fine with a sqlite3 db on the Pi
[16:09] <awilkins> (jus tnot so good for multiple concurrent users with sqlite3)
[16:09] <Azelphur> I think we're going to go with GitLab
[16:10] <awilkins> Not played wiht it
[16:10] <bigcalm> Gitlab FTW
[16:17] <diddledan_> gitlab is awesome!
[16:17] <diddledan_> I've just replaced my github subscription and private repos with a gitlab instance
[16:18] <Azelphur> nice
[16:27] <bashrc> I havn't replaced github, and still use it primarily for the eyeballs, but I also mirror everything to my own gogs instance
[16:27] <bashrc> that way if github is down, or turns evil, it's no biggy
[16:27] <diddledan_> yeah my public stuff is still on github, only my private stuff has moved :-)
[16:30] <diddledan_> bashrc: is that an automated mirroring or via an extra manual push?
[16:33] <diddledan_> gogs looks very github cloney :-p
[16:40] <bashrc> it is a github clone
[16:41] <bashrc> if you can use github you can use gogs
[16:41] <bashrc> yes, it's automated mirroring
[16:42] <bigcalm> Looking to move my VPS. Digital Ocean or Linode?
[16:43] <diddledan_> DO seems to be the one that has the most mindshare these days
[16:51] <daftykins> digitalocean are nice
[16:52] <daftykins> at least in the couple of months i've been running my first long-term one :>
[16:53] <arsenip> i like my soyoustart dedi :o
[16:54] <arsenip> used to use linode pretty heavily, they were nice.
[16:55] <daftykins> can't argue with the lowest end digitalocean VPSs for $5/mo - i cancelled my bigv.io one from bytemark and moved things over :D
[17:25] <arsenip> hat is cheap - daftykins, where are they located?
[17:25] <daftykins> you can actually place your VPSs in most cities around the world now, they'd only just launched London back in the summer or so
[17:26] <daftykins> i think they've got two spots in England now, couple of the Netherlands maybe...
[17:26] <arsenip> cool
[17:26] <arsenip> whats the disk provided?
[17:26] <daftykins> although now CISA got voted in in the US, perhaps we're not safe dealing with a company based out of the US ;)
[17:26] <daftykins> https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/ have a gander
[17:27] <arsenip> probs
[17:27] <arsenip> tho i do work for one.
[17:27] <daftykins> D:
[17:27] <arsenip> and im in the US
[17:27] <arsenip> so
[17:27] <arsenip> cant get much worse.
[17:28] <daftykins> y...you are? :P
[17:28] <arsenip> im currently sat on times sq.
[17:29] <daftykins> holiday?
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> he's dressed as a superhero posing for pics for tourists :-)
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> i'm gonna say.... wonder woman.... :-P
[18:15] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: nailed it.
[19:01] <arsenip> hah, work - daftykins. :)
[19:02] <daftykins> ;)
[19:02] <daftykins> seems odd for IT work to require travel! :>
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> i saw someone once spend 30 minutes trying to get a person to type 2 lines into a computer (pre remote control software) before giving up and driving there and doing it...
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> i had warned him that expecting people to be able to type 'cd \video' press return and then 'video' followed by return was too much for some
[19:05] <popey> heh
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> and when we got remote control software (pcanywhere) it didn't fix everything as they usually only had 1 line and were then expected NOT to answer the phone as the computer was going to do it
[19:07] <zmoylan-pi> in one case after about an hour of trying to get the computer to answer the call and the manager picking up and answering the phone he heard a bucket in the back ground and found out the cleaner was on site so he spoke to the cleaner to stop the manager answering the phone
[19:08] <daftykins> :D
[19:08] <daftykins> i had one that couldn't take a 10 digit number for love nor money once
[19:08] <daftykins> verbally on the phone, again
[19:08] <zmoylan-pi> plus of course the usual i didn't type in your password as i don't like it calls
[19:13] <p42phone> I've got people to remotely drive vi over the phone; now type exactly what I say.....
[19:14] <daftykins> i'd tell you where to go and pick a sane editor
[19:14] <daftykins> ;)
[19:21] <popey> Ahhh PCAnywhere
[19:21] <p42phone> Well it does depend why their system was broken enough to have me on the phone, but sometimes guiding people through a GUI can be hard
[19:21] <popey> happy memories of 1990
[19:22] <popey> Floppy only desktops booting dos & PCA off a diskette. Connected to LAN and multiplexor out to remote locations. people dialled in via PCA to the desktop to access LAN applications.
[19:22] <daftykins> i more meant a choice of something like nano over vi ;)
[19:22] <popey> Was fun turning on all the screens and watching everyone working
[19:22]  * p42phone throws a sun 3/50 at popey
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> my favourite all time call though was to set up pcanywhere over the phone.  asked to do it as by guy in accountancy department downstairs. i get a number and a name, that's it. so i ring
[19:26] <zmoylan-pi> and he answers and is ready and has all the bits in front of him (very rare occurence) and we install the hardware, then the software and as he uses the pc i hear an electronic voice as he types the commands in dos
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> it was early days of sound cards so i thought it was some silly software installed and asked about it.
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> turns out he was blind and it was screen reading software.  made it one of the easiest installs ever once i could hear what was happening on screen
[19:28] <daftykins> :)
[19:28] <daftykins> had a blind person coming in #kodi quite a lot of late trying to set it up with TV, film and stuff
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> got it running in about 5 minutes, tested and went on to next job when guy from downstairs runs in and announces 'oh i forgot to tell you, he's blind!!'
[19:28] <daftykins> seemed a very odd desire to me :P
[19:29] <daftykins> so are we talking windows 9x era with a command prompt window being read?
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> this was pre win9x.  win3.1 or win3.1 wfwg if you were lucky
[19:30] <daftykins> ah ok
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> but he was using all dos apps as the screen reader worked best on them.  the blind aren't mad on guis
[19:31] <daftykins> mmm
[19:31] <popey> Nice
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> what it did was really simple it read out the line that the cursor was on.
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> move the cursor up and down and it read the whole line, move if left right and it said letter/number
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> uh oh, the balloon may have gone up... :-) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34660659
[19:47] <foobarry> got a kindle fire 5th gen today for mrs
[19:47] <foobarry> not my ideal choice, but she said the amazon lockin wouldn't bother her
[19:47] <daftykins> i have that one here, a kids edition for a client
[19:50] <foobarry> is this 1 mobile market alternative safe?
[19:51] <foobarry> i gotta get youtube and couple of others on here
[19:51] <foobarry> maybe i'll just sideload them individually
[19:52] <daftykins> yeah easy enough
[19:58] <foobarry> except login services need adding for full experience
[20:06] <daftykins> smells a lot like buying the wrong device for the job, that ;)
[20:13] <foobarry> yeah
[20:14] <foobarry> i thought it was competing services they didn't include
[20:14] <foobarry> youtube aint amazon video
[20:15] <foobarry> amazon can't pretend to provide similar apps and services as the good
[20:15] <foobarry> goog
[21:53] <p42phone> Tip: don't land at Manchester and expect to get a taxi when there is football on
[22:31] <daftykins> :D