=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [11:45] balloons: so that was bizarre ... aborted an install, then the stick which I'd used wouldn't boot the second time [11:46] also could you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/1511324/+merge/276102 [11:46] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNe5npkid-s [11:46] always good :D [11:47] knome: if you have a minute you could do that MP :) [11:47] flocculant, shouldn't it be Ctrl+L and not Ctrl +L [11:47] :P [11:48] not as worried about that as someone digging porn out of that samples place :D [11:49] well... [11:49] ok [11:49] :P [11:49] I'll change the +L before I merge it [11:49] i approced [11:49] approved too [11:49] ok doke thanks - I'll do the rest now [11:50] bbs [12:46] Good morning [12:48] hi balloons :) [13:20] pitti: haven't reported it with xenial being new and not sure where it stands, but ... had to ln -fs /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab just now [13:22] flocculant: that should happen automatically during boot via /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/debian.conf [13:22] flocculant: what happened? did you end up without an /etc/mtab after boot? [13:22] flocculant: please do report such issues [13:23] flocculant: we have long stopped the "let's break everything now and try to fix half of it after feature freeze" approach :) [13:23] flocculant: indeed in xenial I replaced debian-fixup.service with that tmpfiles.d snippet, but except for being faster that shoudl be more or less the same [13:23] and I tested it with mtab being a file and absent [13:29] mmm [13:30] I can try again later with the same stick on a different partition and see if I get it again [13:31] pitti: I didn't actually look to see if I ended up without that - though I did manage to boot the system with upstart [13:32] flocculant: oh - did it not boot with systemd, and with some error "your /etc/mtab is a file"? [13:32] because that's a thing; I meant to send u-devel@ about that [13:33] it failed with "/etc/mtab isn't a symlink or not pointing to /proc/blah" [13:33] pitti: ack - I'll mail the list then :) [13:33] flocculant: ok; what kind of install was that? [13:33] flocculant: this is precisely meant to find installer bugs etc. which still creates /etc/mtab as a file [13:33] xubuntu 64bit [13:34] (I'll disable the hard failure after some weeks, but we really want to find those) [13:34] flocculant: oh, so a desktop install? [13:34] pitti: do you want me to bug report it instead? [13:34] yep [13:34] to a pre-formatted partition [13:34] flocculant: yes, please; ubiquity for a desktop install will do fine; please give me the bug number, I'll add some additional info to it [13:38] pitti: bug 1511376 [13:38] bug 1511376 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "/etc/mtab is not a link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511376 [13:39] I'll link that from the iso tracker too - so hopefully people will see it [13:40] no I won't - still no testcases there to report against ... [13:40] balloons: ^^ when will there be testcases showing up for iso tracker? [13:41] pitti: obviously - anything I can do or provide from here - just ask :) [13:43] flocculant: done now: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-October/038961.html [13:44] pitti: I can post on the dev bit of the forum - do you want people to me too the bug I just reported - or report each time? [13:44] and bug updated [13:45] flocculant: nah, duplicates aren't necessary [13:45] k - I'll link your mail and this bug then [13:45] me too is sufficient (althuogh this isn't platform specific at all) [13:45] flocculant: cheers! [13:48] ok done that now === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [14:06] flocculant, on the images, I would have expected them by now [14:09] balloons: yep - not looked any further than me and ubuntu, I've got 32bit no 64bit, ubuntu neither [14:10] it's a script that runs, but it should be daily [14:10] some only run once a week [14:10] let's see [15:45] I just saw this: https://code.launchpad.net/~pharmasolin/ubuntu-manual-tests/VLC_updated/+merge/275715 [15:46] flocculant, how different is that from the xubuntu + orca experience? [15:46] not sure - not had time to look properly [15:46] but the experience won't be saying unity, nor hud for 2 :) [15:47] shame he'd added the orca bit - the vlc was ready to deal with [15:47] I'm of the mind to merge it, but I understand your concerns [15:48] I'd rather it was more vague overall [15:48] it's your baby L( [15:48] :) [15:48] the specific wording may change [15:48] I meant [15:48] I'll try leaving a comment [15:48] tbh we don't test it anyway [15:49] but unless it's something very specific like an xfce thing - imho tests should be agnostic [15:49] ESPECIALLY something that's going to talk to you in some mad computer voice ;) [15:49] You and I agree on this [15:49] I thought we did :) [15:51] flocculant, I'm going to land it, and update / file a bug for checking on the flavor support. I'd hate to lose the improvements, and the contributor is new [15:51] yea [15:52] balloons: or I'll land it [15:52] might look better [15:52] flocculant, ohh.. that would be helpful, than kyou [15:52] welcome :) [15:52] flocculant, yea, the first MP can be nicer.. if it was you, I'd make you fix it! [15:52] :D [15:56] pitti: re the mtab issue, just want to double check that it's expected in vm's - I assume so [16:04] balloons: ok done all that, created a new bug to doublecheck orca - mentioned in that also the screenreader bug - could be done at the same time perhaps [16:04] bug 1308687 [16:04] bug 1308687 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Screenreader Testcase needs updating" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308687 [16:05] flocculant: this shouldn't be hardware/platform specific at all, indeed [16:05] ok cool - just wanted to make sure - I suspect we'll get lots of people noticing it now :D [16:06] flocculant, just looking at the buglist again, and seeing all those lubuntu bugs. [16:06] well [16:06] I see the studio ones :) [16:08] and myth.. just agreeing they are quite cluttered [16:08] yea [16:08] I did clear out the edubuntu ones [16:09] and zequence is trying to push the studio stuff [16:43] balloons: I'd quite like to get that bug list cleaned up so it's just got real ones left this cycle [16:43] agreed [16:48] I'll manage one way or the other to do that :p === boiko_ is now known as boiko [17:49] hey folks. are we aware of the fact that the testcases are no where to be found on the tracker? [17:53] wxl, we are [17:53] but only the isotracker to be fair [17:53] i didn't get a notice that there was a build failure or anything. what's the deal? [17:53] balloons: ↑ [17:54] well, if you'll notice there's no images for today: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ [17:54] so I'm assuming we'll builds once a new image that passes gating occurs [17:54] oh uh weird [17:55] but there are images listed on the tracker?? [17:55] like our images are there http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20151029/ [17:57] well the ubuntu images aren't there it seems balloons, but there are valid images [17:57] and those valid images don't have testcases [17:57] I'm not sure what you mean [17:57] ahh right [17:58] if you look at the tracker there are images for the 29th for kubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntu core, etc [17:58] there are no images since the 27th for ubuntu desktop [17:58] i think that's a separate issue [17:58] because no image listed has a testcase associated with it [17:59] release team (cjwatson no less) had no clue so i'm assuming it has something to do with either tracker management or with the testcase repo [18:03] almost - for some reason my 32bit does have [18:04] ohh, so silly [18:05] i misunderstood what you meant until now, hah [18:06] who you guys talking to? XD [18:06] balloons: what I meant? [18:06] wxl: I was talking to you perhaps :D [18:06] but earlier balloons and I were discussing it :) [18:06] you should look at lubuntu [18:06] flocculant: well i can assure you my question is directed at both you and balloons but other than that i don't know XD [18:07] :p [18:07] I *do* have a 32 bit one for some reason [18:07] OH [18:07] you do! [18:07] now I think that balloons might have see what's up [18:07] yep [18:07] i didn' [18:07] t scroll down that far XD [18:08] have done for days [18:08] wxl: scroll? [18:08] on the tracker, flocculant [18:08] I don't see anyone but mine unless I enable them :D [18:08] right right [18:08] i usually look at them all when there are problems [18:08] oh I do that [18:10] so normally the testsuites are copied over for a new cycle from the previous cycle. However, this is done by a handrun script [18:10] balloons: by qa or release? [18:10] as product manager, you can always edit it yourself if you wish to change [18:11] it's something stephane used to do. Technically, it should be set I suppose by each product manager [18:11] well yes but if it's universally a problem… XD [18:11] well if you want to make it a thing that each product manager does, i guess an email needs to go out [18:11] maybe with instructions if everyone's not clear on the process [18:12] that'd be useful - cos most of the tracker is clear as mud :p [18:13] flocculant: incidentially, that was implied XD [18:13] :) [18:13] in fact i'm desperately trying to figure out how to do this as we speak XD [18:13] I can do most of what I need to now without breaking my stuff [18:14] I'm also convinced I don't see all the tracker admin options [18:14] 6 tabs including the empty summary one [18:15] yeah i'm clueless here balloons [18:16] or maybe mine is set right? [18:16] here's the testsuites associated with xenial http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/56/testsuites [18:17] also fwiw someone needs to edit the contacts for kubuntu :/ [18:18] how do you get that view? [18:18] flocculant: main tracker page; click on testsuites in the xenial section [18:20] oic - that's just the list of all the tests that people see [18:20] was looking at admin stuff [18:21] wxl, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/218/testsuites [18:21] wxl, it's something you can always change, but it's been done for everyone each cycle, so I don't see why we'd change now [18:21] okie dokie. thanks balloons [18:21] I trust at times you have changed your testsuite :-) [18:22] not in a while! [18:23] balloons: I get The resource you tried to access doesn't exist. for that [18:24] flocculant, yep, it's wx's [18:24] you would have to manage your own [18:24] ok now i can go back to my regular work [18:24] thanks all :) [18:24] flocculant, like http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/40/testsuites [18:24] I try - but I can never find the manual :p [18:24] wxl, btw, any lubuntu sessions happening for uos"? [18:25] balloons: i haven't had time to arrange anything yet. if we did anything, it might be a planning session, but we're pretty good about communication throughout the team and working through emails/irc/etc, so that may not be too useful [18:26] balloons: as far as show and tell sort of stuff is concerned, i think we'll plan on doing one for 16.10 as that's when we hope to release lxqt [18:26] balloons: so mine are set up? [18:26] wxl, ok. Always nice to see something [18:26] flocculant, I think they might all be yes [18:26] balloons: is flexiondotorg doing one on his pi2 images? [18:26] cos I thought I'd done what was needed [18:26] wxl, yes [18:27] balloons: good, because otherwise i'd do one for him XD [18:27] wxl, :-) SHowing up in support is a good idea then too [18:27] yep === rfinley is now known as average_guy [18:29] balloons: so why do I only have 32 bit stuff - or am I now just waiting for something to finish cooking? [18:30] flocculant, you have testsuites set for amd64 and i386 [18:32] flocculant, we need an upgrade from trusty testcase ;-) [18:32] k - I looked in the manual but couldn't find that :( [18:32] balloons: where abouts :P [18:34] there really should be something written down about this :p [18:34] found'em. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1636/info and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1635/info [18:36] right [18:37] balloons: really - how to set the isotracker up for flavours - assuming flavours can turn stuff one - should be documented somewhere [18:38] mostly I just worked along clicking things and hoping for the best :[ [18:38] :p [19:20] I remember there was an admin guide on the wiki [19:20] but I never can find it [19:20] it's like 3 tabs you can see [19:20] I think, right [19:20] ?? [19:21] I can see 5 useful ones [19:22] I managed to beat it into submission now :) [19:22] core had no testcases in it [19:37] Pharmasolin: re Orca, if you're not sure then leave it - someone else will pick it up :) [20:14] balloons, like 7 for me... [20:27] which is why I wonder what's up with all that [22:33] nuclearbob: hey - so I always feel bad about asking cos I can't do anything to actually help - but what's the status/prognosis on the jenkins for flavour effort? [22:33] unless you're still not too good [22:33] I do read the backlog ;) [23:37] cyphermox: who's the best person to talk to about how apport works? [23:38] I'm confused as to why when it gets turned on the crashdb.conf gains a # [23:39] also we tell people to add Crash to ‘problem_types’: [‘Bug’, ‘Package’] so we see them [23:40] and not cyphermox at all - but anyone in ubuntu-qa - what real reason is there for not being able to ubuntu-bug foo when you've a PPA? [23:41] because some teams like us, have official PPAs which we use to test fixes out in - and having to have bizarre bug reporting doesn't help us at all [23:42] balloons: I'm assuming that qa-team does ping them still?