[00:56] <booboo> can the Ubuntu Device SDK be installed and used as equally well in Debian Jessie?
[01:15] <Dragonkeeper> hey guy
[01:15] <Dragonkeeper> is there a devel branch for krillin at 16.04 ?
[01:22] <duflu> Dragonkeeper: Doesn't seem to exist yet (images stopped getting created when 15.10 was released) but when xenial is ready for testing and builds properly you should find it around: https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en/krillin/
[01:25] <Dragonkeeper> duflu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[01:25] <Dragonkeeper> i saw that and got curious :P
[01:27] <duflu> Dragonkeeper: Not sure how well that would work and it's less easy to install. Best to wait till the link I mentioned gets updated (ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en --device=krillin). Or something like that
[01:28] <duflu> Oh I think krillin needs a --recovery-image too
[01:28] <Dragonkeeper> duflu: thanks ill move to that branch :)
[01:29] <duflu> Dragonkeeper: Beware it's a bit bleeding edge. Things like shutdown/reboot are a bit broken compared to the vivid images
[01:29]  * Dragonkeeper never reboots
[01:29] <duflu> Ok then :)
[01:32] <Dragonkeeper> duflu: whats the difference between  krillin and ubuntu-developer  branches ?
[01:32] <duflu> Dragonkeeper: Not sure. There are so many slight variations I'm confused myself
[01:32] <Dragonkeeper> lol  okay
[01:32] <Dragonkeeper> ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en   ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en-proposed
[01:33] <Dragonkeeper> i might try the latter  :')
[01:33]  * Dragonkeeper straps in for a buggy experience :P
[02:10] <Dragonkeeper> duflu: updated... the devel-proposed/krillin.en-proposed  is still 15.10
[02:11] <duflu> Dragonkeeper: Yeah I know, that's what I was saying. The site stopped getting updated 2 days before 15.10 was released. I guess it will start up again when things are in order to start testing 16.04
[02:12] <Dragonkeeper> duflu: thats ok.. at least i have updates which include hotspot support :)
[02:16] <Dragonkeeper> does notifications from apps work properly yet ?  like e.g. if i wanted new mail messages from dekko ?
[02:28] <Dragonkeeper> nope doesnt work
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> added screenshot to my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1511063
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Internet Day! 😃
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> hi there JamesTait
[10:03] <jibel> oSoMoN, hi, re "phone turned off during the night" do you have the syslog from when it happened?
[10:04] <JamesTait> 👋  lotuspsychje
[10:07] <oSoMoN> jibel, let me check
[10:08] <jibel> oSoMoN, no crash file and crash reporting is on?
[10:08] <oSoMoN> jibel, yes
[10:09] <oSoMoN> jibel, oldest event in syslog is from 04:19:17 last night, shall I file a bug and attach it?
[10:12] <oSoMoN> last event before it turned off is at 05:14:00
[10:23] <jibel> oSoMoN, yes please file a bug and also attach the content of /var/log and /home/phablet/.cache/upstart
[10:24] <jibel> oSoMoN, I was thinking that the watchdog could have rebooted the phone but if there is no crash file it is unlikely
[10:32] <oSoMoN> jibel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1511312
[10:34] <oSoMoN> I’m going to inspect the various log files to try and detect suspicious nocturnal activity
[10:52] <p4_> hi.
[10:53] <Guest42341> ho.
[10:54] <p4_> is every chance to port ubuntu to meizu m1 note?
[11:01] <abeato> tsdgeos, hey, just commented on bug #1511034 , do you know if the dash is using music-app's DB?
[11:01] <Guest42341> pr_ !devices
[11:01] <Guest42341> :(
[11:01] <Guest42341> !devices
[11:02] <tsdgeos> abeato: don't know what the scope uses, pstolowski would know more
[11:02] <Guest42341> p4_, only if you port it yourself, here's a porting guide https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[11:03] <pstolowski> abeato, it's using mediascanner api (db), so should have same data as music app
[11:04] <abeato> pstolowski, ok, I guess bug #1511313 is an issue for you too then
[11:05] <abeato> pstolowski, tsdgeos could you try to remove the DB and check if the freeze is gone (at least initially)?
[11:05] <tsdgeos> abeato: if you tell me how to remove it :)
[11:06] <abeato> rm ~/.local/share/com.ubuntu.music/Databases/*
[11:06] <abeato> tsdgeos, easy :p
[11:06] <tsdgeos> i'm busy elsewhere, iwll check a bit later today
[11:06] <abeato> maybe it is a mediascanner bug... hmm
[11:08] <victor_bq> Hi!
[11:09] <victor_bq> please help, anybody knows where to get logs for the keyboard?
[11:09] <victor_bq> my bq is not showing it and I wanted to report a bug
[11:10] <mcphail> That happened to me a couple of times recently
[11:12] <victor_bq> for me it happens in the Ubuntu store
[11:15] <ogra_> victor_bq, first of all check for maliit files in /var/crash ...
[11:15] <ogra_> then there are maliit-server logs somewhere in ~/.cache/upstart
[11:18] <victor_bq> great thanks ogra! I'll try to pull everything to file a bug
[11:19] <victor_bq> cd ..
[11:24] <pstolowski> abeato, tsdgeos here is the data exposed by music scope to the shell, obtained with scopes-client tool: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12998325/
[11:25] <pstolowski> abeato, tsdgeos so scope doesn't expose duplicates, and this data comes from mediascanner
[11:26] <pstolowski> btw, every "received result: category id=songs" in this output corresponds to a single "song" card, and its 'playlist' element has all the songs from the album
[11:26] <abeato> great
[11:27] <abeato> pstolowski, what I am  wondering now is how the dash is handling the tracklist, it looks like it adds tracks when playing things at different places, but never resets the playlist
[11:27] <abeato> so the track list grows all the time
[11:28] <pstolowski> abeato, i think tsdgeos was discussing the aspects of clear() with jhodapp yesterday, but not sure
[11:28] <abeato> ok
[11:29] <ahayzen> abeato, are the scopes having the same issue that you have reported in bug 1511313?
[11:29] <abeato> ahayzen, not really sure
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-developers-preparing-for-a-possible-rebase-on-xenial-xerus-495470.shtml
[11:30] <ahayzen> abeato, basically when you click on a track we call Playlist.clear() and then push the new one, so somewhere duplicates are being created, I'm at university at the moment so will look when i'm back later
[11:31] <pstolowski> abeato, shall i still look at removing the DB (not sure if this is still going to help with anything?)?
[11:31] <abeato> ahayzen, yep, the issue seems to be when the list is stored in the DB
[11:31] <abeato> clear() and then playing works
[11:31] <ahayzen> that is just our local copy until the save()/load() methods work
[11:32] <ahayzen> i'll check everything when i get back, as i just had to relink our DB implementation as we don't think save/load will be working in time
[11:32] <abeato> great
[11:33] <ahayzen> abeato, is this when running on silo009 ?
[11:33] <abeato> yes, with the music-app branch from the doc
[11:33] <ahayzen> cool
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> !devices | f0o
[11:37] <f0o> nexus4 seems to be supported afaik
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> f0o: yes, check topic install guide or ask your issue here
[11:38] <f0o> I formated userdata and cache, retrying ubuntu-flash now
[11:38] <f0o> if that fails, I'll reask ;D
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> f0o: wich channel are you installing?
[11:39] <f0o> ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu for now, tending to go development if it fails again
[11:39] <f0o> luckly this phone is not in use anymore so it's just to toy around :)
[11:40] <f0o> formating caches and userdata seems to have worked
[11:47] <f0o> working like a charm
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[11:47] <f0o> :D
[12:10] <tsdgeos> abeato: removed the databases, didn't get a noticeable speedup
[12:23] <sergiusens> DanChapman hi there; I wanted to know if dekko on the desktop is something I can dogfood (already using it for my work email on the phone). I'm on wily but don't mind moving to xenial
[12:27] <f0o> what app do you guys use for emailing on the ubuntu touch? I'm used to K9 from android and would like to have something similar to it (preferably including GPG stack)
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> f0o: gmail app here
[12:31] <ogra_> f0o, dekko, thought there is no gpg integration yet
[12:31] <f0o> saw dekko, installed it just now :)
[12:33] <f0o> dekko will do the job for now hehe
[12:34] <f0o> are there any ambitions in integrating android apps sidebyside to the native ones like sailfish does?
[12:34] <ogra_> nope (though i guess you could ship a vm inside your package along with an android app, but i doubt anyone has ever tried that)
[12:36] <diwic> android app -> android vm -> ubuntu userspace -> android kernel?
[12:38] <vishnudev> Hi, I am looking to port ubuntu touch to my nexus 6
[12:38] <ogra_> well, "android app + vm in teh same package" -> unity8/Mir -> ubuntu/android kernel
[12:38] <ogra_> :)
[12:38] <vishnudev> I've some doubts
[12:38] <f0o> hehe
[12:38] <ogra_> it would still have to run under the app confinement unity8 applies
[12:39] <ogra_> which will likely make it rather non-functional
[12:39] <ogra_> along with that you will have massive Ui probs ...
[12:39] <diwic> hmm
[12:39] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt have a back button ... try to close a popup in an android app without that
[12:39] <ogra_> it wont be a nice experience
[12:40] <ogra_> the security models dont match, the UI models dont match
[12:40] <ogra_> but technically it could be possible to ship an android app that way :)
[12:40] <vishnudev> in the enabling new device part I've some doubt
[12:40] <vishnudev> can anyone help me?
[12:41] <vishnudev> please
[12:41] <ogra_> vishnudev, u suspect it wont work until the ubuntu branches get re-based on a newer android HAL
[12:41] <ogra_> unless you can find an android 4.4 branch for the nexus 6
[12:41] <vishnudev> HAL ?
[12:41] <ogra_> hardware abstraction layer ... the bit we use from android
[12:42] <vishnudev> ok
[12:42] <ogra_> (binary drivers and the glue around them to make the hardware work)
[12:42] <vishnudev> but will ubuntu branches get re-based on android 5+ soon?
[12:43] <ogra_> no idea
[12:43] <ogra_> they might ... but i havent heard about a timeframe
[12:43] <Stskeeps> a lot of pain and therapy lies in that direction
[12:43] <ogra_> it mainly depends on the devices that are on sale ...
[12:44] <vishnudev> thats really bad. none of the devices released in a year dont have 4.4 ROM :(
[12:44] <ogra_> if all of them have 5.x branches ....
[12:45] <ogra_> (i think bq already has 5.x for the models that are shipped with ubuntu, not sure about meizu)
[12:45] <vishnudev> so !
[12:46] <vishnudev> if bq using 5.x why cant any other device?
[12:47] <ogra_> bq provides both and the ubuntu tree hasnt been updated to 5.x
[12:48] <vishnudev> how do we know what version of android HAL it needs from source code?
[12:48] <DanChapman> sergiusens: hey! so atm dekko is kinda broken while implementing the new designs. There is a build in the core-apps ppa but that's quite outdated. I hope to have trunk usable again in the next week or so. I'll be sure to give you a ping when it's ready for testing :-)
[12:50] <abeato> tsdgeos, ack
[12:56] <vishnudev> @ogra_ where can i see source code for bq?
[12:57] <ogra_> i dont think the full tree is online due to licence restrictions ...
[12:57] <ogra_> the GPL bits are linked from the devices wikipage
[12:57] <ogra_> !devices
[12:58] <ogra_> but for your port you want to use the phablet tree thats linked from the porting page
[13:04] <sergiusens> DanChapman, thanks for that; I really like the app and how it has improved with time
[13:06] <vishnudev> @ogra_ too bad that nothing I can do about it :(
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, i fear you have to wait for the new tree first
[13:07] <ogra_> probably morphis or john-mcaleely know an ETA
[13:08] <john-mcaleely> Android 5 trees are on phablet. look for ondra's personal branches until we get them reviewed
[13:08] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, vishnudev ^
[13:14] <vishnudev> ogra_ ?
[13:41] <dobey> huh
[14:08] <vishnudev> @orga_ you there
[14:09] <vishnudev> I lost connectivity
[14:19] <Vishnudev2> john-mcaleely hi
[14:31] <Vishnudev2> I was asking about building ubuntu touch for nexus 6
[14:31] <Vishnudev2> Is here anyone can help me?
[14:31] <dobey> isn't nexus6 arm64?
[14:34] <Vishnudev2> No
[14:34] <Vishnudev2> The catch is that nexus 6 doesnt have 4.4 aosp
[14:35] <john-mcaleely> I certainly don't know how to help
[14:35] <john-mcaleely> and someone I would suggest is on vacation at the moment
[14:35] <john-mcaleely> so maybe ask again next week
[14:35] <john-mcaleely> Vishnudev2, ^
[14:36] <Vishnudev2> You where telling someone have ubuntu branch for android 5+
[14:37] <john-mcaleely> all I know is what I have heard 'ondra's personal branch on phablet'
[14:37] <Vishnudev2> Oh
[14:40] <john-mcaleely> https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/admin/projects/ubuntu/libhybris,branches
[14:40] <john-mcaleely> eg
[14:40] <john-mcaleely> personal/w-ondra/phablet-5.x
[14:40] <john-mcaleely> Vishnudev2, ^
[14:40] <john-mcaleely> w-ondra is on vacation at this time
[14:43] <Vishnudev> Sorry i got disconnected
[14:43] <Vishnudev> Did you said anything?
[14:45] <Vishnudev> ?
[15:09] <john-mcaleely> Vishnudev, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/29/%23ubuntu-touch.html#t14:40
[15:11] <Vishnudev> Thank you very much john. I'll get back next week then
[15:23] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: the addSources call is not in the xenial packages, right?
[15:23] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, it is not, correct
[15:24] <tsdgeos> ok
[15:25] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, we'll have to sync a bit later
[15:29] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: may be that i call clear un the playlist when is not connected to an audio that breaks the clearing?
[15:37] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, that could be, I'd be curious what the application-side logging looks like which would include qtubuntu-media output
[19:29] <mhall119> bfiller: oSoMoN: can one of you propose a session to talk about app convergence at UOS?
[19:33] <mimecar> hi
[19:33] <bfiller> mhall119: I can propose something, not sure who will be best to run session
[19:33] <bfiller> mhall119: where do I propose it?
[19:33] <mhall119> bfiller: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/propose_meeting/
[19:33] <mhall119> use Convergence track
[19:34] <bfiller> mhall119: ok
[19:34] <mhall119> thanks bfiller
[19:41] <oSoMoN> bfiller, mhall119: I don’t mind talking about the work we did for browser
[19:42] <bfiller> oSoMoN: thanks, perhaps Kaleo can talk about work he did on address book as well
[19:42] <bfiller> with some demos
[19:47] <mhall119> +1 that sounds perfect
[19:47] <mhall119> oSoMoN: btw, I've been filing bugs against the browser in desktop, but I've been using it 95% of the time for weeks now, I'm thoroughly impressed
[19:48]  * mhall119 just needs to get his alt+# patch in better shape
[19:50] <taiebot> Am i right to think AGPS do not work on rc proposed on mako
[19:51] <mhall119> taiebot: it does if you use the bq-aquaris.en channel
[19:51] <mhall119> (it has mako images too, despite the name)
[20:21] <oSoMoN> mhall119, thanks, and looking forward to your updated patch, that will be a useful addition to the existing keyboard shortcuts
[23:41] <stakewinner00> web browser sucks. If a web have a foot link, when you try to click it, the web browser "thinks" that you want to close/create some tab, and you can not click on the link of the webpage. The same with web browser media player.