[00:08] <pleia2> knome: still about?
[00:09] <knome> pleia2, yep
[00:12] <pleia2> knome: we have bzr access (yay for static.x.o) but no build tools for docs on the server, so I still have to do it locally and then upload the bits we need
[00:12] <pleia2> knome: aware of anything I should know before this always manual process?
[00:12] <knome> can't think of anything
[00:12] <pleia2> ok, I'll build and upload and maybe you can check it
[00:13] <knome> sure
[00:13] <knome> i'll update the startpage branch
[00:13] <pleia2> oh, hm, translations
[00:13]  * pleia2 needs to make sure she gets those too
[00:14] <knome> the startpage branch is done
[00:15] <pleia2> we should write down dependencies for building somewhere, I don't have pdf stuff
[00:15] <knome> pleia2, just "make" should take care of translations
[00:15] <knome> pleia2, sudo apt-get build-dep xubuntu-docs ?
[00:15] <pleia2> knome: doesn't bring in pdf stuff, so I assumed it wasn't set up
[00:15] <knome> hmm.
[00:16] <knome> it should
[00:16] <pleia2> I don't have fop installed
[00:16] <knome> right, it's in build deps
[00:16] <knome> but i guess your ubuntu version doesn't have a package recent enough yet
[00:16] <pleia2> it's vivid
[00:16] <knome> yeah... it was introduced for wily
[00:17] <pleia2> aha :)
[00:17] <knome> (because we didn't do PDFs before)
[00:17] <pleia2> well, yeah
[00:17] <pleia2> ok, installing fop and hopefully that'll solve it
[00:17] <knome> should do
[00:17] <knome> if not, i'm here :)
[00:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: D:
[00:27] <knome> hey sean
[00:27] <bluesabre> hey knome 
[00:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: good work upkeeping the PPAs
[00:27] <knome> bluesabre, any feature requests for the tracker at this point of the cycle? ;)
[00:28] <bluesabre> Unit193 is making it easy for me to focus on other tasks :)
[00:29] <knome> heh
[00:29] <bluesabre> knome: no requests at this time, just looking forward to using it all cycle
[00:29] <knome> good good :)
[00:29] <pleia2> knome: http://docs.xubuntu.org/1510/
[00:29] <pleia2> and anyone else
[00:30] <pleia2> before I update startpage to link to it
[00:30] <knome> pleia2, looks good to me
[00:32] <knome> also happy about how the PDFs are turning out
[00:33] <pleia2> I hate bzr
[00:33] <knome> heh
[00:34] <pleia2> ok, can bzr branch directly for the start page, so that's set up now \o/
[00:34] <pleia2> and done
[00:35] <knome> great
[00:35] <knome> hmm
[00:35] <knome> something backlashed
[00:35] <knome> but...
[00:35] <knome> that happens
[00:35] <knome> :P
[00:35] <pleia2> uh oh
[00:35] <knome> it's minor
[00:35] <knome> you won't notice it
[00:35] <pleia2> k
[00:35] <knome> but if you go to the startpage
[00:35] <pleia2> the pdfs do look good, nice work
[00:35] <knome> and then open the docs
[00:35] <knome> you'll notice the bgcolor is different
[00:36] <knome> and the startpage lacks the shadow
[00:36] <pleia2> probably overwrote some css thing?
[00:36] <pleia2> but yeah, I don't notice :)
[00:36] <knome> maybe
[00:36] <knome> i don't know
[00:36] <pleia2> no art brain
[00:36] <knome> i also just had rum, so no brain here
[00:36] <pleia2> sorry, I didn't make a backup
[00:36] <pleia2> haha
[00:36] <knome> i'll fix it for 16.04
[00:36] <knome> np
[00:36] <pleia2> wfm
[00:36] <knome> the branch should have that stuff
[00:38] <knome> or maybe i didn't fix that to begin with!
[00:38] <knome> there's no trace of that in the branch at least
[00:39]  * knome shrugs
[00:40] <pleia2> knome: want to tweet about docs + yay pdf!
[00:40] <pleia2> ?
[00:40] <pleia2> I can do the other social medias
[00:41] <knome> sure
[00:41] <knome> ...what
[00:41] <knome> 42 notifications @twitter
[00:41] <knome> apparently we didn't tweet release
[00:41] <knome> oops
[00:43] <pleia2> yeah, I certainly didn't, was in the middle of many airplanes
[00:43] <knome> tweeted that now
[00:43] <knome> next the new docs
[00:44] <knome> aaaand done
[00:45] <pleia2> same
[00:45] <knome> anything else?
[00:45] <pleia2> someone did g+
[00:45] <knome> we should likely sit down some day to wonder about X marketing/community stuff
[00:45] <knome> and a plan for the website stuff too
[00:45] <pleia2> yeah, probably has to wait for december
[00:46] <knome> sure... though we might have a little one here then ;)
[00:46] <pleia2> that's ok
[00:46] <knome> haha
[00:46] <pleia2> I'm still in japan, and have trips to DC and Philly in November
[00:46] <knome> well, you won't hear the screaming there
[00:47] <pleia2> hah
[00:50] <pleia2> ok, back to conferencing
[01:00] <knome> mhm, hf
[01:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Except I don't touch trusty. :P
[01:50] <knome> time to sleep
[01:50] <knome> ttyl
[02:30] <drc> clear
[02:30] <Unit193> We're losing him!
[02:30] <drc> He's not alive!
[02:32] <drc> It's all right, the brain from from someone named Abie Normal anyway.
[10:22] <flocculant> morning 
[10:28] <akxwi_dave> morning mate
[10:29] <flocculant> morning akxwi_dave 
[10:30] <flocculant> had an issue with parole yesterday - time to clean install a new slate for me to break :p
[10:31] <akxwi_dave> :-) what problem - i did a test last night on parole and it seemed ok (apart from some of the movies from the suggested download area were porn)
[10:35] <flocculant> yea
[10:36] <flocculant> I went to the channel for that - and got an isiot saying they were the the webmaster and comments along the lines of "oh there's porn on the web"
[10:36] <flocculant> so I just left 
[10:37] <flocculant> need to find a link to a specific video and audio and change the testcase to those 
[10:37] <flocculant> and it just crashes :)
[10:38] <akxwi_dave> ouch..  have fun with the re-install...
[10:38] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: I guess you're like me - look for the right sounding folder - pick the first file - play it and 0_0 :)
[10:39] <akxwi_dave> oh yes... I did..  got funny looks from the wife when it started playing..
[10:40] <flocculant> should do that today really - you might have been 13 ... 
[10:40] <akxwi_dave> :-)
[10:40] <akxwi_dave> add 33 to that figure.. :-)
[10:40] <flocculant> ha ha 
[10:45] <flocculant> bluesabre: so it seems that this odd parole crash I have is vid only :p
[10:45] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: can you check a vid where you are? 
[10:46] <flocculant> nvm - not awake will check in vbox :D
[10:46] <akxwi_dave> yep i can do.. got botth vivid and xenial on vms here
[10:46] <flocculant> samples.mplayerhq.hu/MPEG1/zelda%20first%20commercial.mpeg
[10:47] <flocculant> make sure it's not nsfw :)
[10:48] <akxwi_dave> :-) that was the second one i ran yesterday
[10:48] <flocculant> oh - so more porn :(
[10:48] <akxwi_dave> no that ones good.
[10:48] <bluesabre> I usually use https://download.blender.org/durian/trailer/sintel_trailer-480p.ogv
[10:48] <flocculant> oh good :D
[10:49] <akxwi_dave> its the other in that folder thats the oron one
[10:49] <bluesabre> can even be played with parole's open location
[10:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks - I'll use that one then 
[10:52] <bluesabre> np
[10:52] <bluesabre> ogg means you won't have to fiddle with codecs :)
[10:52] <flocculant> that too 
[10:53] <flocculant> parole appears to play flac ootb too 
[10:53] <bluesabre> cool
[10:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll change the testcase so we grab an audio and play it, but use open location for that ogv 
[11:01] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool, yay test variety!
[11:01] <akxwi_dave> lol
[11:05] <flocculant> ok - as soon as the change is approved I'll get that to the tracker
[11:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: see this is why it's good to have people like akxwi_dave about :) he should almost hang about as much of the cycle as he can so I can dragoon him into xubuntu-qa :D
[11:08] <akxwi_dave> flocculant, :-) well I'll be here as much as possible..  been using ubuntu on and off since the 9.04 release and xubuntu since 10.10 want to give something back.. been testing as much as possible from  the 13.10 
[11:12] <flocculant> then hang about in here and you can get more involved - tbh someone involved enough to have a bit of time to help me with other bits and bobs would be awesome
[11:12] <flocculant> like for instance proposing the testcase fix
[11:13] <flocculant> up to you obviously, but the -qa team was setup so that people involved more than 'normal' had a possible way to join the xubuntu team itself
[11:14] <flocculant> anyway - back in a short while in a new install :)
[11:14] <akxwi_dave> That would be great, deffo something i'm interested in..   have fun and see you on the new install :-)
[11:15] <knome> ooh ooh, potential new team members
[11:17] <akxwi_dave> o7
[11:19] <knome> i've seen your nick in the tracker too - thanks for the work and welcome to the irc side of things too!
[11:21] <akxwi_dave> Cheers Knome. Glad to be here.. 
[11:22] <knome> i'm sure flocculant has said it, but if you ever have anything... just ask :)
[11:23] <akxwi_dave> will do.. :-)
[11:23] <flocculant> silly installer
[11:23] <flocculant> well ... silly flocculant 
[11:24] <knome> :P
[11:24] <flocculant> thought I had xenial on it - nope ... trusty
[11:24] <knome> hah
[11:24] <knome> good luck with that...
[11:24] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[11:24] <knome> bbl
[11:25] <flocculant> later
[11:25] <akxwi_dave> laters
[11:28] <akxwi_dave> flocculant, did the same myself, re-installed my test laptop,  and couldn't fine an uptodate installer, so installed from 14.10 and just upadted each version.
[11:28] <flocculant> oh my 
[11:29] <akxwi_dave> well I was playing world of warshiprs on my other pc, so couldn't download a new iso.. :-)
[11:29] <flocculant> ha ha 
[11:32] <flocculant> ok - off again :)
[11:33] <akxwi_dave> :-)
[11:35] <tracker0> I do like the tracker irc tool :)
[11:38] <tracker0> hanging formatter in the installer 
[11:44] <flocculant> which then appears to have killed the stick too so restoring that now :|
[11:44] <flocculant> and formatted the new partiton while I'm here :)
[11:44] <akxwi_dave> not going well then.. :-)
[11:45] <flocculant> not too well :p
[11:50] <flocculant> and off I go again :D
[12:02] <akxwi_dave> off for lunch// cya later
[12:14] <flocculant> that was a barrel of laughs ... 
[12:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: you'll be pleased to know that it was me that appeared to have killed parole :p
[12:50] <akxwi_dave> and back..  
[12:50] <akxwi_dave> flocculant,  up and running again?
[12:50] <flocculant> yep 
[12:50] <flocculant> had some bizarre systemd issue ... 
[13:10] <flocculant> welcome back
[13:10] <akxwi_dave> thx, what a prat, I have two vms running and retsrated the wrong one..  :-)
[13:10] <flocculant> :D
[13:11] <akxwi_dave> well at least the test works on both.. :-)
[13:11] <flocculant> :)
[13:17] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: landed that testcase fix now - you can tell the wife :p
[13:18] <akxwi_dave> flocculant, cheers.. she won't think i'm as big a pervert now...  :-)
[13:21] <akxwi_dave> another iso build up I see..
[13:22] <flocculant> they build at 09:50 ish every day 
[13:23] <akxwi_dave> ahh.. will have to keep an eye on that then
[13:24] <akxwi_dave> am i right in assumming that each build is the same as the previous but with all the latest updates on them?
[13:26] <akxwi_dave> so i can have a vm unning xenial that is apt-get update && Upgrade upto date and then keep a sepertae ne for the iso testing?
[13:31] <flocculant> yep
[13:31] <flocculant> and zsync the iso ofc
[14:00] <akxwi_dave> sorry bout that.. managed to kill virtualbox, by plugging in an external hdd
[14:00] <flocculant> got to love vbox 
[14:02] <akxwi_dave> seriously thinking about getting out an old copy of vm workstation that i bought age ago.
[14:03] <flocculant> not used that for a long time
[14:05] <akxwi_dave> use vmware esxi server at work, and brought workstation 7 years ago in a sale to show my old work the wonders of ubuntu as a platform for the intranet server
[15:14] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: thinking about it more - if you want to get more involved then I'd be happy to add you to the -qa team
[15:14] <flocculant> but I will actually ask you to do things :p
[15:25] <akxwi_dave>  Cheers..thats fine with me - more than happy to help.. and don't mind doing stuff to help
[15:26] <akxwi_dave> will give me an excuse to finish off my test lab at home.. :-)
[15:26] <flocculant> added then :)
[15:27] <akxwi_dave> thx.. :-)  finally sold my soul to Xubuntu
[15:27] <flocculant> ha 
[15:33] <knome> akxwi_dave, welcome!
[15:34] <flocculant> it's nice to have new people about :)
[15:39] <akxwi_dave> Cheers flocculant , email received... nice to be onboard
[15:39] <flocculant> :)
[15:40]  * knome dances a silly dance and leaves for a shower
[15:40] <knome> ttyl
[15:48] <akxwi_dave> just had the /etc/mtab error on todays iso build 32bit
[15:50] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: I suspect that we'll see lots of people saying that - they changed a quite warning to a halt to get it reported - if I read between the lines correctly
[15:51] <flocculant> me too bug 1511376 is enough
[15:52] <akxwi_dave> reported against that bug and marked it as affecting me as well
[15:52] <flocculant> cool
[15:53] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: was it a vm? 
[15:54] <akxwi_dave> yes.. 
[15:55] <akxwi_dave> 32bit
[15:55] <akxwi_dave> i see the oteh report was for 64
[15:55] <akxwi_dave> other*
[15:55] <flocculant> ok cool
[16:16] <akxwi_dave> time to go.. got to visit another office before going home.. cya later
[20:01] <Noskcaj> Did we end up deciding to switch back to evince in the metapackage?
[20:27] <flocculant> bluesabre> Noskcaj: probably fine to go ahead and return to evince
[20:27] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:29] <ochosi> akxwi-dave: welcome to the QA team :)
[20:29] <knome> hello o
[20:29] <knome> chosi
[20:29] <ochosi> hey k
[20:29] <ochosi> nome
[20:33] <akxwi-dave> cheers ochosi 
[20:33] <akxwi-dave> and thanks
[20:35] <flocculant> ochosi: poor you - I haz question :p
[20:35] <flocculant> what do you know about the gtk indicator - works for gmb not for what I use
[20:35] <flocculant> and good evening :)
[20:36] <knome> hello
[20:36] <flocculant> hello
[20:37] <Noskcaj> is there a current bzr branch for xubuntu-meta?
[20:41] <flocculant> works for banshee it seems - not rhythmbox though either
[20:43] <knome> flocculant, soundmenu
[20:43] <flocculant> ?
[20:46] <knome> flocculant, the thing that doesn't work for you but works for gmb
[20:46] <knome> flocculant, is called soundmenu
[20:46] <flocculant> is it? 
[20:46] <knome> if that helps..
[20:47] <knome> well if i'm thinking the ame as you
[20:47] <knome> click an indicator -> shows play buttons etc
[20:47] <flocculant> yea
[20:47] <knome> yyyep, that's soundmenu
[20:47] <flocculant> well there's no package called that
[20:47] <flocculant> but bug 1245495 was commented on by seb the other day 
[20:48] <flocculant> I just did too
[20:48] <knome> indicator-sound sounds like the right package
[20:48] <flocculant> yep - pretty sure that's the kiddy
[20:58] <akxwi-dave> night all.. time to go..
[20:58] <flocculant> cya akxwi-dave 
[21:12] <flocculant> !team | can someone with a laptop AND a battery run through this http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases/1582/results 
[21:12] <flocculant> I tried - but ~2 minutes battery life :D
[21:12] <flocculant> oh meh 
[21:14] <knome> that much? :P
[21:14] <flocculant> yea :p
[21:16] <drc> I can/will, but the inactivity requirement for 15 min and the suspend will make it later tonight (~1 1/2 - 2 hours from now)  I'll ask before starting if you still need it done.
[21:16] <flocculant> drc - yea - I think I got it right, but couldn't with no battery - later is fine
[21:17] <drc> Actually, it'll be interesting to see...I've never suspend this laptop in 8 years of owning it :)
[21:17] <flocculant> drc: if there are problems can you report it to testcases https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug 
[21:17] <drc> yup
[21:17] <flocculant> title incuding 1582, so we don't need to search stuff :p
[21:18] <flocculant> drc: cheers :)
[21:18] <Unit193> Netbook doesn't suspend so well.
[21:18] <flocculant> drc: also - it would be extremely handy to know how long it takes to run it all - I can add that to the top of the test 
[21:19] <drc> ok
[21:19] <flocculant> Unit193: laptop does everything ok with the mains :p
[21:24] <ochosi> flocculant: gtk indicator? you mean indicator sound?
[21:24] <ochosi> ah right, now i see it in the backlog.. :)
[21:24] <knome> silly
[21:24] <ochosi> so what's up with that?
[21:25] <ochosi> i mean how does it not work for you and what is the consequence?
[21:25] <knome> doesnt' work -> makes him grumpy
[21:25]  * knome hides
[21:25] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[21:26] <ochosi> right, but what's the relation to gmb then?
[21:26] <flocculant> I never use it - but we test it 
[21:26] <ochosi> also makes him grumpy? :)
[21:26] <knome> ochosi, yep
[21:26] <flocculant> ochosi: there's no relation to it - other than that bit at least works :p
[21:27] <flocculant> ochosi: and I found a bug too - so all done I guess 
[21:27] <drc>  Are we playing "music app, music app, who's got the music app" again?
[21:27] <flocculant> nope
[21:27] <drc> whew!
[21:27] <flocculant> heh
[21:27] <flocculant> though we should, but perhaps at a meeting :D
[21:28] <Unit193> I did not read that.
[21:28] <flocculant> Unit193: I said - we should, but perhaps at a meeting :p
[21:28]  * drc whimpers
[21:28] <knome> hahah
[21:28] <ochosi> :D
[21:28] <knome> flocculant, well done sir
[21:29] <flocculant> though on the other hand perhaps it should just go straight to m/l so we don't talk in circles for hours :p
[21:29] <knome> circles > elliptic circles
[21:29] <flocculant> pretty straightforward with option A/B on the spec if you ask me
[21:30] <flocculant> knome: depends on what one has imbibed ... 
[21:30] <drc> Yeah, that's what we all thought last time.
[21:30] <flocculant> I'm being positive
[21:30] <flocculant> ly ludicrous 
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, on drugs?
[21:30]  * knome hides
[21:31] <flocculant> no hiding will work 
[21:31] <drc> no, on rap
[21:31] <flocculant> well now I'm just insulted 
[21:31] <knome> hah
[21:31] <flocculant> he he 
[21:32] <flocculant> was music better when ugly people could make it 
[21:33] <knome> flocculant, judging on rap, no
[21:33] <flocculant> :)
[21:33] <drc> Yeah, that's Ludicrous 
[21:35] <flocculant> I seem to pick good things to report as bugs lately - they get fixed :p
[21:35] <ochosi> hehe
[21:35] <flocculant> ochosi: had loads of fun this morning trying to do an install 
[21:35] <flocculant> admittedly some of it was facepalm :)
[21:37] <ochosi> is that why you're in such a good mood? :)
[21:37] <knome> ochosi, yeah, he likes slapping his face
[21:39] <flocculant> :)
[21:39] <flocculant> well I didn't say who I had doing that ;)
[21:40] <drc> Someone told me he has a "Whip me, Beat me, Love me"  tattoo...which is probably why he became the QAL.
[21:40] <flocculant> and nice to have other people joining in this cycle too 
[21:40] <flocculant> yea yea 
[21:40] <flocculant> s/other/new
[21:41] <flocculant> akxwi doesn't know that he's in charge of editing testcases yet :p
[21:41] <knome> oops
[21:42] <flocculant> :)
[21:45] <ochosi> haha
[21:45] <flocculant> knome: just quickly - because it's the weekend already - is there a lot of work that needs to be done to set up the dev docs thing? 
[21:45] <knome> not too much
[21:46] <flocculant> ochosi: and do you know that either you or bluesabre are pegged to set the first meeting? 
[21:46] <flocculant> knome: cool - the more I look at contribute the more I'm glad I don't read it :)
[21:46] <knome> :9
[21:47] <flocculant> I knew it was long - but it needed to be somewhere ;)
[21:47] <ochosi> flocculant: right, i think i read that somewhere in the backlog
[21:47] <ochosi> i'll set one up
[21:50] <flocculant> not that I mind cos you'll set it for when I'm not about :p
[21:53] <drc> Interesting...I had deleted the Power Manager icon from my panel...for the test I put it back.  After install making my panel 32 pixels changes the icon to a green battery...adding it back shows the monochrome icon.  On purpose?
[21:54] <knome> drc, bigger panels do not have the symbolic icons
[21:54] <flocculant> that 
[21:55] <drc> symbolic = green or monochrome?
[21:55] <knome> monochrome
[21:55] <flocculant> mmm 
[21:55] <ochosi> actually let me correct you there:
[21:56] <flocculant> actually here mine is monochrome regardless
[21:56] <ochosi> symbolic icons would adjust to the panel color
[21:56] <ochosi> dynamically
[21:56] <ochosi> xfce4-power-manager 1.5.x does that already
[21:56] <ochosi> but the 1.4 branch is still gtk2 so it doesn't
[21:57] <flocculant> ok - so I have 1.5.x here 
[21:57] <drc> OK, 1.5.2
[21:57] <ochosi> and that version should also always remain symbolic, regardless of panel size
[21:57] <flocculant> but now you mention it - when I installed the icon was green, I removed it - just added it back and it is now monochrome
[21:57] <ochosi> earlier versions made the distinction whether to show a monochrome or colored icon based on icon size
[21:58] <drc> OK, I didn't have 1.5.x when I installed, that explains it.
[21:58] <ochosi> which is not a great idea, but there were no alternatives
[21:58] <ochosi> so in our icon theme all icons >32px are not monochrome anymore
[21:58] <ochosi> because we assume they're shown in another context (lists, menus, notifications..)
[21:58] <drc> Oh, I need to quit wasting tine here... flocculant  wanted a time hack.
[21:59] <flocculant> hah - no rush at all drc :)
[21:59] <ochosi> but in gtk3 the icons recolor dynamically (that's what symbolic icons mean in gtk-land)
[22:00] <flocculant> I really should push for the panel to default to what I use so I am always on default :p 
[22:02] <ochosi> hehe
[22:02] <ochosi> or you create a testuser on your machine that has the defaults, so you can at least always quickly check
[22:02] <ochosi> but this is not about panel config, it's about xfpm version
[22:03] <flocculant> omg add a user that's the same as everyone else - dodgy 
[22:15] <flocculant> I shall end up with cramp from muscle memory :p
[22:16] <ochosi> ask someone in your team for a muscle memory massage then
[22:16] <flocculant> pretty sure I can cope ... 
[22:24] <flocculant> knome: not sure if you're still around, but thinking about "Methods to inform team of auto iso testing" - for that we are reliant on what gets done by nuclearbob et al - which could be who knows when
[22:24] <knome> flocculant, of course i am, it's not even 1am yet!
[22:25] <flocculant> but we can tell whether something has gone horribly wrong with the build from the buildlog size - either a massive rise or drop
[22:25] <knome> right...
[22:25] <knome> would it help if that information was in the tracker?
[22:26] <flocculant> possibly - gives people - read me - a ball park it's probably ok 
[22:27] <flocculant> and of course while I know the time - I was just being polite :)
[22:27] <flocculant> knome: currently I grep it with krytarik's script 
[22:27] <Unit193> knome: Now, gogogo! :P
[22:27] <drc> flocculant: Does it matter that I'm running the "Big 3 PPA's" for this test ? ) 
[22:28] <knome> :D
[22:28] <flocculant> drc: not at all :)
[22:28] <drc> OK
[22:29] <drc> flocculant: Still testing, but quick note In the on the test page itself 'Display->Handle display power management Has no "Handle" ' and is not "tickable" but an on/off button.
[22:29] <flocculant> drc: ok - if you could note those things - then report it we can sort them out 
[22:29] <drc> Did not know if you want comments on the test itslf in the report itself.
[22:30] <drc> Gottcha :)
[22:30] <flocculant> nah - if there are things then I'd have to make a bug from the comments anyway :)
[22:31] <flocculant> knome: anyway so if that did tickle a fancy perhaps a line on overview would save me at least time if we didn't get rss jenkins reports
[22:31]  * Unit193 sets up SwissBot with RSS too. :---D
[22:31] <flocculant> :)
[22:31] <knome> flocculant, oh right, we have rss..
[22:32] <flocculant> knome: well we would if it was working :)
[22:33] <knome> heh
[22:34] <flocculant> as you'll see message left for nuclearbob
[22:35] <knome> mm
[22:36] <flocculant> don't know enough about the issues to even make a judgement call
[22:37] <knome> heh
[22:38] <flocculant> hibye 
[22:53] <flocculant> ochosi: see - I knew it :p
[22:54] <flocculant> I'll have to be represented by the Ghost of QA Present :)
[22:57] <flocculant> with this clean install firefox appears to not be insisting that text in tabs/url bar/bookmarks isn't some dark font - which it has been forever
[22:57] <flocculant> and it's not a clean ff profile either - so it's not that
[22:58] <flocculant> seems to be respecting the Ubuntu font I have set 
[23:00] <drc> Hey flocculant, I'm going to have to finish this testing later tonight (or possibly tomorrow morning...my time :)
[23:00] <flocculant> yep - thanks for looking at it for us all :)
[23:01] <drc> And you're sure that the ppa's don't change the wording in the screens?  Because I'm finding several major descrepencies between the screen and the test wording.
[23:02] <flocculant> shouldn't do - I will double check things
[23:02] <flocculant> drc: as always - if someone writes something - when they read it they tend to see what they mean, rather than the words 
[23:03] <flocculant> mneaning me :)
[23:03] <drc> Yup, that's why when I was in Grad School we always traded papers to read.
[23:03] <drc> especially thesis/dissertations.
[23:04] <flocculant> yep - I made the ex-wife read mine 
[23:05] <flocculant> and I still managed +70% on the diss :p
[23:06] <drc> I didn't make my wife read anything (although it might have been a good idea, she knows nothing about what I was studying)...myaby that's why she's not my ex- :)
[23:07] <Unit193> I won't be at the meeting.
[23:07] <flocculant> drc: :)
[23:07] <drc> But yeah, check each line of the instructions with the screen, several times it reerences different wording and/or things that aren't there.
[23:07] <flocculant> drc: thanks :)
[23:07] <drc> When I go thru it again, I'll keep notes of that sort of thing.
[23:08] <flocculant> ta 
[23:08] <drc> laters all
[23:09] <Unit193> Suppose the agenda hasn't been updated?
[23:11] <flocculant> nope 
[23:11] <flocculant> someone else should do that or I'll add media player :D
[23:11] <Unit193> Looked all the same.
[23:18] <knome> flocculant, media manager :P
[23:18] <flocculant> :D
[23:18] <flocculant> no-one had cleared the old stuff so I did :D
[23:19] <flocculant> knome: seriously on that - when we do start that decision - might be useful to know what the poll we ran said about that stuff
[23:20]  * flocculant suspects a split between kept gmb and installed something else and removed gmb and installed something else for the most part 
[23:20] <flocculant> but I'm biased :p
[23:20] <knome> flocculant, that being media manager?
[23:20] <flocculant> yea
[23:20] <flocculant> trying not to name it - it's almost voldemort :D
[23:20] <knome> i would say the meeting after the kickoff meeting would be good
[23:21] <knome> well, the kickoff meeting too, if it's very quiet
[23:22] <flocculant> :)
[23:22] <knome> it needs to be soon
[23:22] <flocculant> yea
[23:23] <flocculant> re that wiki page - I wonder if when ali1234 did gmb it read mp3 length when file read - probably, I think it's default setting 
[23:24] <flocculant> adds enormously to lib build time
[23:24] <ali1234> hi
[23:24] <flocculant> hey ali1234 
[23:24] <ali1234> when i did those tests i did it in the most obvious way possible
[23:24] <ali1234> i didnt change any settings
[23:24] <flocculant> ali1234: right - thought so 
[23:24] <ali1234> i just did it like i was a new user who had no idea how to use the software
[23:24] <ali1234> because in most cases that was actually the case
[23:25] <flocculant> yep - as one would expect 
[23:25] <flocculant> I have a change in our docs for that issue - with my library it is just stupid - I went shopping 
[23:26] <flocculant> ali1234: also the apport thing - I didn't actually point you to anything :D
[23:26] <ali1234> yes that... why do you think i know anything about apport?
[23:27] <flocculant> because I remember you talking about adding Crash :)
[23:27] <ali1234> ah yes
[23:27] <flocculant> which I now see I've not got in there ... 
[23:27] <flocculant> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/
[23:27] <ali1234> well, i only know about that because i had to spend 6 months trying to find out how to get proper crash dumps from apport in release
[23:27] <flocculant> there's a bit about dealing with crashdb.conf
[23:28] <flocculant> mostly because wily was almost over before they turned it on 
[23:28] <ali1234> you shoulnd't need to add anything in a beta
[23:28] <ali1234> the point is they turn off "Crash" in release
[23:28] <ali1234> so crashes don't go to lp, they go to euc instead
[23:28] <ali1234> and then nobody ever sees them
[23:28] <flocculant> yep 
[23:29] <ali1234> so basically all i know is here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/150476/how-do-i-submit-a-full-bug-report-with-crash-dump-and-steps-to-reproduce
[23:29] <flocculant> ali1234: if you could look at that - because I got a bit fuddled 
[23:29] <ali1234> look at that?
[23:29] <flocculant> oh ok - I'll read that too 
[23:29] <flocculant> ali1234: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ the bit about crashdb.conf 
[23:30] <ali1234> hmm okay
[23:30] <flocculant> you don't have to obviously :)
[23:30] <ali1234> commenting out the whole line is probably a bad idea
[23:30] <ali1234> instead just add 'Crash' as described in the AU question
[23:31] <ali1234> although maybe that's how they do it, i'm not sure
[23:31] <ali1234> also, i sure wish it was possible to report bugs on PPA packages
[23:33] <flocculant> ali1234: I just did that from what they do in cycle to enable it - seems that the change to turn it off removes the # 
[23:34] <ali1234> okay, it is probably overriding another variable somewhere else then
[23:34] <flocculant> ali1234: and yes - reporting a PPA bug would just be great 
[23:34] <flocculant> ali1234: yep - that's my understanding 
[23:42] <flocculant> welcome back drc :)
[23:43] <drc> Yeah, got that done fast also....
[23:43] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Howdy.
[23:43] <flocculant> ali1234: if I find out re apport do you want to know? 
[23:43] <bluesabre> hiya Unit193 
[23:43] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :)
[23:43] <bluesabre> howdy flocculant 
[23:44] <flocculant> hung about to annoy you :D
[23:44] <knome> hah
[23:44] <bluesabre> oh no!
[23:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: I marked that parole issue invalid - cos I think it was that install 
[23:44] <bluesabre> flocculant: oh, thats good news
[23:45] <bluesabre> I didn't want to say that I did not have a good idea of how to fix something with messages like that
[23:46] <flocculant> :D
[23:46] <flocculant> also fixed the testcase so if someone finds porn it's not our fault :p
[23:47] <drc> I missed pr0n!?!  I quit.
[23:48] <flocculant> I have a copy of the old testcase still :D
[23:48] <knome> it will always exist in the branch history
[23:48] <drc> Psst...hey kid, wanna free sample of testcase?  Sheesh :)
[23:49] <flocculant> knome: somewhere given I broke it a bit today :D
[23:49] <Unit193> knome: Why you no pokeypokey?!
[23:49] <knome> Unit193, i'm lazy
[23:49] <flocculant> not shaving enough ... 
[23:50] <ali1234> flocculant: i know enough about apport i think :)
[23:50] <flocculant> ali1234: :p
[23:50] <bluesabre> :D
[23:51] <flocculant> I sense an 'oh god' before the apport :
[23:52] <flocculant> D