| cyphermox | flocculant: there's some limitation in how you can retrace crashes if packages in the chain come from a PPA, so it very much depends on which packages you're talking about | 00:43 |
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| flocculant | mmk | 00:44 |
| flocculant | I assumed there was a real reason rather than some - "it's not offical" just never actaully thought too much about it | 00:45 |
| cyphermox | right | 00:45 |
| flocculant | generally anything that 'xubuntu ppa' is about is just an upstream fix prior to it landing in ubuntu I guess | 00:45 |
| flocculant | that's certainly be the ppa's I would be wondering about for sure | 00:46 |
| cyphermox | it's because if you try to retrace and in the chain you have something that comes from a PPA, you won't get the debug symbols for that | 00:46 |
| cyphermox | because usually you didn't have debug packages built for PPAs | 00:46 |
| flocculant | so could that be added to ppa - if it was an 'official one's so that it worked? | 00:47 |
| cyphermox | I don't know | 00:47 |
| flocculant | bear in mind I don't understand packaing or code at all - so will ask silly questions :) | 00:47 |
| cyphermox | don't worry, I can ask my share of silly questions too | 00:48 |
| flocculant | or rather ones that have a reason - just one I've not thjought of because: ) | 00:48 |
| flocculant | but one day the question will turn out to just be emperor's clothes I hope :D | 00:49 |
| knome | cyphermox, i'd like your silly questions please ;) | 00:49 |
| knome | (but make sure they are *really* silly) | 00:49 |
| cyphermox | what's the universe? | 00:49 |
| cyphermox | :D | 00:49 |
| knome | something that the masters maintain | 00:49 |
| flocculant | knome: only because you are bored with my silly question ... | 00:50 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: that's not silly, that's why we are here :p | 00:50 |
| knome | flocculant, very true, without universe there wouldn't be xubuntu | 00:50 |
| flocculant | the answer is 'outside' ofc | 00:50 |
| cyphermox | I can do you another: what is time? | 00:51 |
| knome | Package: time | 00:52 |
| knome | Description-en: GNU time program for measuring CPU resource usage | 00:52 |
| knome | cyphermox, you're not even trying, right? | 00:52 |
| cyphermox | I'm perhaps too metaphysical. | 00:52 |
| knome | or not silly enough | 00:52 |
| flocculant | only a thing called god called be too metaphysical | 00:53 |
| flocculant | desperately waiting for balloons to tell me to stop :p | 00:53 |
| knome | flocculant, does that mean i'm too metahysical, since every time i tell a really bad joke you say "oh my god" | 00:53 |
| knome | +p | 00:53 |
| flocculant | s/god/word | 00:54 |
| flocculant | :p | 00:54 |
| knome | :P | 00:54 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: anyway - sriously thanks :) | 00:55 |
| * knome thanks, bows and tiptoes backwards back to the closet with his clown outift | 00:56 | |
| flocculant | I'll just go back to my lot and tell them cyphermox said "No" | 00:56 |
| flocculant | no - I'll ask knome to tell them :) | 00:56 |
| knome | flocculant, tell them that we can do it if we build the debug packages too | 00:56 |
| cyphermox | knome: might take a bit more than just that | 00:56 |
| flocculant | no - Sean will slap me | 00:56 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: ha | 00:57 |
| knome | cyphermox, we'll start with that and if it isn't enough, we'll take the whip out and tell our tech lead to do more | 00:57 |
| cyphermox | you should take a look at apport-retrace, see if it absolutely needs dbgsym packages, and discuss the situation with pitti | 00:57 |
| knome | >:) | 00:57 |
| knome | or we can ask him to do that instead | 00:57 |
| knome | your choice | 00:57 |
| cyphermox | knome: tbh, building debug packages in the packaging code comes with its own set of problems | 00:58 |
| cyphermox | namely, it's duplicated work since the buildds will spew some for you as it strips the packages when building things, it's just that for PPA those may be thrown out | 00:58 |
| flocculant | I refuse to get drawn into this - so I can ask why vb only questions at the last minute :D | 00:58 |
| knome | mhm | 00:59 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: I do apologise - I just tried to ask a simple question, which no was a suitable answer to - but knome just knomed it :D | 01:00 |
| flocculant | and I do jest of course :) | 01:00 |
| cyphermox | hey, it would be useful for me too sometimes, when debugging stuff | 01:01 |
| flocculant | yep | 01:01 |
| cyphermox | I'm not too fond of doing uploads for stuff that may or may not work properly :) | 01:01 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: I am sure - it's been a long day - I'm much more serious if I am in -release or -desktop | 01:02 |
| knome | i don't think there are stupid questions... | 01:02 |
| knome | and asking is never bad | 01:03 |
| knome | fortunately kind people like cyphermox sometimes even answer me | 01:03 |
| flocculant | asking is never bad - but there are stupid questions too | 01:03 |
| flocculant | and I can answer those as not signed CoC | 01:03 |
| cyphermox | tsk tsk | 01:04 |
| flocculant | :) | 01:04 |
| flocculant | can you really see me doing that? | 01:04 |
| cyphermox | gasp. | 01:05 |
| flocculant | but there are stupid questions - I'm brazen enough to ask them :D | 01:05 |
| flocculant | and learn too ;) | 01:05 |
| knome | ^ same goes here... | 01:05 |
| knome | but really, if we didn't ask, we'd not have this and that in xubuntu | 01:06 |
| * flocculant actually learnt a fair old bit this week | 01:06 | |
| flocculant | knome: yep | 01:06 |
| cyphermox | so yeah, I'm always happy to answer questions and do what I can to help | 01:06 |
| flocculant | I leant stuff about evince and +gtk this week | 01:06 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: yea I know - you do have the badge | 01:07 |
| cyphermox | the badge? | 01:07 |
| knome | cyphermox, he's referring to the "stupid" stamp on your forehead | 01:08 |
| knome | oh, oops, i wasn't supposed to say that aloud | 01:08 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: the 'supernamry extranice zoobuntuyguy' badge | 01:08 |
| flocculant | cos you're just this nice guy :D | 01:08 |
| knome | /msg flocculant didn't we agree we didn't use that name, but "stupid" | 01:09 |
| knome | "oops" | 01:09 |
| knome | i'm just kidding of course :) | 01:09 |
| cyphermox | I also know just enough to be real dangerous ;) | 01:09 |
| knome | \o/ | 01:09 |
| knome | that's the best | 01:09 |
| flocculant | /msg knome thoguht we decideds cyphermox could have it once | 01:09 |
| knome | knowing too much makes you too self-aware | 01:09 |
| flocculant | cyphermox: :) | 01:09 |
| knome | what's with all the irc clients tonight :P | 01:10 |
| flocculant | Friday I suppose | 01:10 |
| flocculant | oir fat fingurese | 01:10 |
| knome | :Ð | 01:10 |
| flocculant | drif itype that | 01:11 |
| knome | cyphermox, you definitely want to talk with bluesabre about the PPA bug reporting issues | 01:23 |
| knome | cyphermox, he can actually give you half-sensible answers | 01:23 |
| bluesabre | maybe | 01:24 |
| knome | sssh, don't spoil it too early | 01:25 |
| flocculant | trying to remember to read backlog ... | 01:25 |
| knome | flocculant, i'll gather the juicy parts as usual to the xubuntu-gossip mailing list | 01:26 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 01:26 |
| tsimonq2 | knome: wot? | 01:27 |
| flocculant | hi tsimonq2 | 01:27 |
| knome | tsimonq2, hullo | 01:27 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: have you relaxed a bit now? | 01:28 |
| flocculant | :) | 01:28 |
| tsimonq2 | knome: is there REALLY a xubuntu-gossip list, or was that a joke? | 01:28 |
| knome | tsimonq2, it's totally a joke | 01:28 |
| flocculant | there really is | 01:28 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: oh...hahahaha...I am always that hyper if not more XD | 01:28 |
| flocculant | don't belive knome | 01:28 |
| knome | well, there you go... | 01:28 |
| knome | ;) | 01:28 |
| * tsimonq2 Googles it | 01:28 | |
| flocculant | :) | 01:28 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 01:29 |
| tsimonq2 | nope | 01:29 |
| flocculant | I tried googling it once - had safe search off | 01:29 |
| flocculant | bad move | 01:29 |
| tsimonq2 | ? | 01:29 |
| flocculant | on his part | 01:29 |
| knome | it mignt help finding it if you knew the secret URL for it | 01:29 |
| flocculant | yep | 01:31 |
| flocculant | it's on gggogle I believe | 01:31 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: anyway - chill a bit :) | 01:33 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: ask w x l about it | 01:33 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 01:33 |
| knome | okok, here's the link to the archives: http://tinyurl.com/xubuntu-gossip | 01:34 |
| flocculant | wxl: apparently I need to ask w x l something - but noit sure? | 01:36 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2 said so ... | 01:37 |
| flocculant | :P | 01:37 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: ask him about why I am so hyper :P | 01:39 |
| flocculant | you can of course do that | 01:39 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: well don't yell at me to chill out unless you ask him | 01:39 |
| sallon | Hello body, i would like change my driver in ubuntu | 01:41 |
| knome | sallon, this isn't a support channel, try #ubuntu | 01:41 |
| sallon | ok thank | 01:42 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: on the other hand - whoever is the release manager for whatever flavour you represent will tell you what they require ;) | 02:42 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: what is that supposed to mean? | 02:44 |
| flocculant | ask people what and how to ask things in official channel like -release, it reflects on all flavours - cheers :) | 02:46 |
| flocculant | <tsimonq2> What is the current state of Xenial? Open for development? What? | 02:46 |
| flocculant | what sort of comment is that to people who are doing their job | 02:47 |
| flocculant | ? | 02:47 |
| flocculant | we might all be part-time, but please treat those in -channels who work for Canonical and then do things for 'us' with the respect they all deserve | 02:49 |
| tsimonq2 | ok :) | 02:49 |
| flocculant | s/part-time/part-time volunteers | 02:49 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: it reflects on us all ;) | 02:50 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: so your point is I should ask in an official channel? | 02:51 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: no | 02:52 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: my point is to be polite | 02:52 |
| tsimonq2 | ok :) | 02:52 |
| flocculant | twice with the :) - read this please http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct | 02:53 |
| flocculant | youy can gpg sign that thing | 02:53 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: already done months ago | 02:54 |
| flocculant | my basic issues is - be rude and I WILL be ruder | 02:54 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: so why do you NOT do it? | 02:54 |
| tsimonq2 | flocculant: show me the rule that I am breaking and I will fix it | 02:55 |
| flocculant | that's like saying 'who gives one'~@ | 02:55 |
| tsimonq2 | so what are you implying here? | 02:55 |
| flocculant | tsimonq2: you are rude, care little for anyone else but yourself | 02:56 |
| flocculant | hang on | 02:56 |
| tsimonq2 | rude...calling ME rude...tsk tsk tsk' | 02:56 |
| flocculant | I will find the first line of the CoC which says don't | 02:57 |
| flocculant | "Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself captures the spirit of being human. | 02:57 |
| flocculant | that one | 02:57 |
| flocculant | read it tsimonq2 | 02:57 |
| flocculant | the whole thing tsimonq2 | 02:57 |
| teward | flocculant: hate to point this out, but you could use a dose of the CoC yourself. | 02:58 |
| flocculant | cool - cya tomorrow | 02:58 |
| flocculant | teward: :D | 02:58 |
| tsimonq2 | ooh get rekt | 02:58 |
| teward | so how about both of you, take your keyboards, click the entry box... | 02:58 |
| teward | type /quit | 02:58 |
| teward | and cool it for a while | 02:58 |
| teward | then come back | 02:58 |
| tsimonq2 | teward: no! | 02:58 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 02:58 |
| teward | (I do NOT want to have to call chanops to break you two apart) | 02:58 |
| flocculant | :) | 02:58 |
| tsimonq2 | teward: but we aren't breaking any rules... | 02:59 |
| * teward rereads, sees sniping at each other, calling each other rude, being overall generally non-supportive of a civil environment | 02:59 | |
| teward | ***In any case*** | 03:00 |
| teward | lets move on | 03:00 |
| teward | and stop shooting at each other | 03:00 |
| tsimonq2 | teward: well sorrryyy...this sir was being really critical...I got defensive | 03:01 |
| tsimonq2 | teward: do you understand my point of view? :P | 03:03 |
| flocculant | he possibly does - on the other hand I don't :) | 03:04 |
| flocculant | you really just need to chill out n -release | 03:04 |
| flocculant | they don't need it and have a job to do - which DOES not include flavours | 03:04 |
| flocculant | unless it's changed - thanks tsimonq2 | 03:05 |
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| pitti | knome, cyphermox: apport-retrace doesn't require dbgsym packages, it just tries to grab as many as it can; otherwise you'll end up with worse stack traces | 06:46 |
| pitti | but if you e. g. have locally built debs with debug symbols already installed, that's fine | 06:47 |
| === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert | ||
| balloons | Morning to you all | 12:17 |
| cyphermox | pitti: I suppose I misspoke by saying apport-retrace, I meant apport in general and the requirement for up to date packages / not PPA packages | 12:25 |
| pitti | cyphermox: ah, that's something completely different then :) requiring for up-to-date packages is a design decision, not really a bug | 12:26 |
| cyphermox | I know | 12:26 |
| pitti | there's a secret way to disable it if you must, but we really don't want to advertise this | 12:26 |
| * pitti bbl | 12:27 | |
| wxl | flocculant: says who? | 16:08 |
| === benonsoftware is now known as MisterHiyas | ||
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