[06:42] <mapppaDE> Hi all;(
[06:42] <mapppaDE> Had internet for a week ans then no more
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:21] <directhex> is it? :(
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning? yes, 10:22am.
[11:34] <diddledan_> lol: https://twitter.com/mark_azevedo/status/657600892842082306
[11:36] <diddledan_> then of course there's MS employees leaking classified documents at tech conferences: https://twitter.com/andrerav/status/658645629208522752
[12:12] <ali1234> if yesterday was 0xdfec and today is 0xdfed, what's the date encoding?
[12:13] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure it's not "days since 10th october 1858"
[12:16] <DJones> Anybody know any programmers with Delphi experience + other languages that are looking for a job based in the north west, just been asked by our IT support if I knew anybody
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> delphi, a civilised ide for more civilised times... :-)
[12:22] <directhex> because everybody loves object pascal!
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> it kept away the visual basic programmers... :-P
[12:47] <awilkins> DJones ; I know the CEO of e-say has some Delphi experience but they're a contractor
[12:47] <awilkins> And you're not here either
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> maybe an advert on myspace... :-)
[13:11] <diddledan_> seriously freaky - last night I couldn't get the song "englishman in new york" aka "I'm an alien" out of my head. Just popped into currys and the first song they played while I was there was that one!
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> co ink a dink
[13:14] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan_: You can see the future! Quick, what are this weekend's Lotto numbers?
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> pi, iota....
[20:49] <mapps> yay i have internet again
[20:50] <daftykins> again again!?
[20:51] <mapps> well it broke and they took ages to fix
[20:51] <mapps> :(
[20:51] <daftykins> O_O
[20:55] <mapps> had it ainstalled 13th october worked for a week then stopped
[20:57] <Renfried> who is your isp?
[20:58] <mapps> u-mee
[20:58] <mapps> not in the uk anymore;p
[20:59] <Renfried> never heard of it
[21:02] <mapps> yea
[21:02] <mapps> because its not uk
[21:02] <mapps> :P
[21:02] <mapps> u-mee.com
[21:05] <Renfried> ahh argentina ;)
[21:09] <mapps> nopep
[21:10] <mapps> gibraltar
[21:16] <Renfried> quiet channel for so many people here
[21:16] <daftykins> it's Friday night.
[21:16] <daftykins> was just pondering going to the pub, myself
[21:17] <Renfried> back in the day nerds and geeks didnt go out at all :)
[21:17] <Renfried> they left that to the cool kids
[21:33] <daftykins> mapps: so what's new?
[21:35] <Renfried> I am using an acer i5-m450 laptop. If I used a Dual core 1.6Ghz desktop, both with 4Gb ram, would i notice a major speed difference? (good or bad)
[21:37] <daftykins> well "1.6GHz desktop" doesn't mean much compared to a first gen i5, since we don't know what generation of processor it is
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> and these days if one is using a hard disk and one is using an ssd?
[21:39] <Renfried> i have no idea what gen it is, all I know is Intel dual core 1.6GHz.... I was offered a desktop, but have not seen it. It currently has windows 7 on it, I would imagine it is fairly old
[21:39] <daftykins> yeah that'd be no comparison too :)
[21:39] <mapps> not much daftykins;)
[21:39] <mapps> same job same place
[21:39] <daftykins> :)
[21:39] <Renfried> both would use hard disk, neither has ssd
[21:39] <daftykins> Renfried: would need a quick spec check then really.
[21:39] <mapps> Renfried would be enough for xubuntu
[21:39] <daftykins> Renfried: it coming into your hands for free?
[21:40] <Renfried> cheap.... about £50. for free I would just take it and try it :)
[21:40] <daftykins> to be honest something with that clock speed in a desktop is a slight oddity
[21:41] <Renfried> I am using mate, so would need to run that, otherwise it wont get used
[21:41] <daftykins> so a small alarm bell is ringing to me
[21:41] <Renfried> whats wrong with the clock speed?
[21:42] <daftykins> it's an indication of age
[21:43] <daftykins> what i'm getting at is if it's a 1.6GHz Pentium 4 someone has windows 7 on, i'd leave it where it is :)
[21:44] <Renfried> yeah i would too.
[21:45] <Renfried> but a dual core 1.6 is the recommended specs for mate
[21:46] <Renfried> but just wondering if it would be that much slower than my i5.....my clock speed is 1.8 with 2.4 in burst mode
[21:46] <daftykins> but being a P4 (just as an example, i know it's a guess) would hint at really terrible RAM and an old PATA slow disk
[21:46] <daftykins> so you'd need more detail to make an informed decision
[21:50] <Renfried> it has everything but speakers, so may even be worth it for a cheap monitor and spare parts
[21:51] <daftykins> perhaps, though spare parts not even compatible with what you have now if they're too far apart age wise
[21:52] <daftykins> if it's something easy like a Dell, you could look up the service tag for a detailed spec
[21:52] <daftykins> or just query the BIOS.
[21:52] <ali1234> i wouldn't touch anything that's not i5 quad core or above
[21:54] <Renfried> I want to stick away from intel intergrated graphics, as the one on this laptop is terrible.
[21:55] <Renfried> ali1234: Depends on what you use it for I suppose. I would love a new laptop but funds are not there. So a cheap desktop that I can upgrade bit by bit may be the way to go
[21:55] <ali1234> no you want intel graphics on a laptop. dual graphics set ups are a pain
[21:56] <ali1234> you can get a decent thinkpad for around £100 if you shop around
[21:57] <Renfried> the only game i want to play it cities skylines, but doesnt support intel graphics.
[21:57] <ali1234> dont buy a laptop for gaming
[21:57] <Renfried> define decent
[21:57] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-x220-Laptop-Core-i5-2520-4Gb-160GB-USB-3-0-Webcam-/321901360957?hash=item4af2d0f73d:g:CxgAAOSwl9BWKqMl
[21:59] <Renfried> thats not a bad option, although one dealbreaker, no numeric keypad...
[21:59] <ali1234> use numlock
[22:00] <Renfried> U sed to have a thinkpad t42, and hated numlock
[22:00] <daftykins> no there's nothing wrong with intel graphics, it's just the age of your current system
[22:01] <Renfried> my laptop is only about 3-4 years old
[22:01] <ali1234> cities skylines is known to not work on intel tho
[22:01] <daftykins> the first gen core i5 one? it's rubbish.
[22:01] <daftykins> (the graphics)
[22:01] <Renfried> i think it as Intel HD3000 graphics
[22:04] <daftykins> i thought you said you had a core i5 450M
[22:04] <daftykins> http://ark.intel.com/products/49022/Intel-Core-i5-450M-Processor-3M-cache-2_40-GHz
[22:05] <daftykins> first gen HD graphics = terribad :)
[22:09] <Renfried> am sure it is core i5 450M, it is an acer aspire 5742 laptop
[22:14] <Renfried> says i5 m450 when i check
[22:14] <Renfried> cant get it to name the hd3000, cat remember how i did it before, just saying intergated graphics
[22:15] <Ildera> Hi, I'm looking to get my hands on a 14.04 LTS pressed dvd, but having some difficulty.
[22:16] <daftykins> Renfried: are you typing from it right now?
[22:16] <daftykins> Renfried: grep model /proc/cpuinfo
[22:16] <daftykins> Ildera: how come you need one?
[22:18] <Ildera> It's for my 92 year old grandmother, I really don't want to have to explain to her how to install from a usb stick, and pressed discs have a longer lifespan than burnt ones.
[22:22] <Ildera> I do realise it's rather a 1995 sort of problem, but this is what happens when you're 92
[22:23] <Renfried> daftykins: yes Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 450  @ 2.40GHz
[22:24] <daftykins> yep so rubbish graphics
[22:24] <daftykins> i'd not ask more than a working desktop of that generation
[22:25] <daftykins> can anyone confirm you need a sky subscription card to make use of recording on a sky+ box?
[22:26] <daftykins> thus be paying the evil company some money? :)
[22:26] <daftykins> my folks are thinking of buying a box from someone but i think it's a mistake as they won't be able to record for free.
[22:29] <Renfried> i am sure you do need a sky+ subscription to record
[22:30] <Renfried> you can use it a freesat box without, just not record, best to buy a freeview dvr
[22:31] <daftykins> *nod* thought the same, thanks :)
[22:31] <daftykins> probably best they get a freesat HD box, not sure we can get it down here mind
[22:31] <Renfried> where are you?
[22:32] <daftykins> Channel Islands
[22:33] <Renfried> if you can get normal TV reception you should be able to get freeview, just not sure about HD
[22:34] <Renfried> teach them how to torrent :)
[22:34] <daftykins> hell to the no!
[22:34] <daftykins> well freesat is via the satellite dish, but the cone of influence from the beam tends to ignore us for most channels
[22:35] <daftykins> actually i think a mate said they can get all the channels on freesat and i got a tonne when i tried it out on my TV (which has freesat built in)
[22:35] <daftykins> they're never gonna pay for a box though
[22:36] <Renfried> i have BB with sky, not bad fibre connection 40Mb down and 10Mb up
[22:37] <daftykins> we have our own telcos with monopolies down here
[22:37] <daftykins> still 40/5 VDSL2 though \o/
[22:37] <daftykins> btw that's VDSL2 as well, not fibre :) just marketed as such to sound futuristic
[22:38] <Renfried> i could go 200Mb with virgin, but they throttle
[22:40] <Renfried> they class it as fibre to the cabinet (FTTC) but yeah, all openreach is the same,
[22:42] <Renfried> for someone who started with a 2400 baud modem, call it what you will, as long as it is 40/10 i am happy
[22:42] <daftykins> :)
[22:42] <daftykins> yeah does me well
[22:42] <daftykins> a local secondary telco has just installed a direct fiber feed to their managing director's home, lucky swine
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> i started with a 2400 baud modem but spent most of the 90s using it in bell 103 mode at 300bps...
[22:47] <Renfried> i then went to a suprafax 14.4k, then a mightly udrobotics 56k.....1.5KB download speed, could download a full amiga 700k disk in 30 minutes.....lightning fast
[22:47] <Renfried> *usrobotics
[22:48] <Renfried> i could upgrade my fibre to 80 down and 20 up, but no need. never needed more than i have
[22:48] <daftykins> back shortly, gonna grab a pint next door i think
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> and file transfer protocol was just moving away from kermit to xmodem...
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> then xmodem (crc) for error checking, ymodem for multiple files and then the holy grail of zmodem for resuming after interrupted file transfers :-)
[23:09] <diddledan_> back on dialup I used getright a LOT
[23:09] <diddledan_> and it seems to still exist: http://getright.com/
[23:09] <diddledan_> with a terrible website :-p
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> very 90s...
[23:37] <Renfried> i used z and ymodem from memory
[23:38] <zmoylan-pi> i thought i'd use ymodem more when i discovered it could transfer a bunch of files but by then i was already using pak and then pkzip to compress all the files into one small file
[23:39] <Renfried> i still have my usrobotics modem somewhere.... i am sure dialup isps must exist somewhere still...
[23:40] <zmoylan-pi> i have a battery powered 9600 baud fax modem here i couldn't bring myself to throw out... :-)
[23:41] <Renfried> I also have a commodore 64 with the 1571 diskdrive that sounds like a couple of woodpeckers mating when you loaded something
[23:42] <Renfried> or was it 1541.... cant remember
[23:43] <Renfried> and an amiga 500. havnt used them in 20 years, but still have them
[23:43] <zmoylan-pi> i still remember poke 808,251 for c64 to disable run stop... :-)
[23:43] <Renfried> 10 Print "Hello World"
[23:43] <Renfried> 20 GOTO 10
[23:44] <zmoylan-pi> and in a local shop the c64 power button was blocked by the counter it was sunk into so they couldn't stop the scolling message
[23:44] <zmoylan-pi> but in out case it was 10 print "wardy is a leper ";
[23:45] <zmoylan-pi> poor sod had terminal acne
[23:48] <Renfried> lol