| pieter2627 | jolly good morning all | 05:13 |
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| magespawn | good morning | 08:07 |
| === ubuntiste-msakni is now known as elacheche | ||
| magespawn | does the copyright on a website cover the html/css/js or other code? php? | 09:36 |
| stickyboy | magespawn: Good question. | 09:37 |
| stickyboy | I think each file is supposed to have a copyright in its header technically. | 09:37 |
| stickyboy | Because of the obvious ambiguity. | 09:37 |
| magespawn | yes, so if you are a developer could you develope a website for somebody else and retain copyright on the code, and leave the content copyright with the site owner or a third party? | 09:39 |
| magespawn | any ip lawyers in the house? | 09:40 |
| thatgraemeguy | speak to a lawyer for legal advice | 09:40 |
| magespawn | thatgraemeguy: they usually charge for any advice, which is to be expected, just thought i would ask the question, see if anyone had experience or thoughts | 09:42 |
| stickyboy | magespawn: Well, even if it's not a website, you are supposed to have copyright headers at the top of your source files. | 09:42 |
| stickyboy | main.c etc... | 09:42 |
| thatgraemeguy | see i'd disagree, because copyright doesn't need to be declared | 09:42 |
| stickyboy | thatgraemeguy: Have you read the GPL? :) | 09:43 |
| thatgraemeguy | and that's exactly why legal advice should never be sought on a random gathering of random people :) | 09:43 |
| magespawn | so any programming should have the copyright licence notice, GPL or other, included? | 09:43 |
| stickyboy | thatgraemeguy: Sure, we're not lawyers, but it's useful to have a discussion, surely. | 09:43 |
| thatgraemeguy | ok, enjoy | 09:43 |
| stickyboy | magespawn: Hold on a minute, we're not giving you the absolute truth here. | 09:43 |
| stickyboy | First, read the license. | 09:44 |
| stickyboy | I have read the GPLv2 license. | 09:44 |
| stickyboy | I successfully shamed a Kenyan hardware company to release their source code. | 09:44 |
| magespawn | so you should obey the rules of the licence you use | 09:44 |
| stickyboy | https://mjanja.ch/2015/05/brck-in-violation-of-the-gpl/ | 09:44 |
| magespawn | i remember stickyboy | 09:44 |
| thatgraemeguy | is it useful to have a discussion when not a single one of the discussion participants is a domain expert? | 09:44 |
| stickyboy | thatgraemeguy: I don't work in absolutes. | 09:45 |
| stickyboy | Even a panel of experts can have an idiot. | 09:45 |
| stickyboy | We're just discussing. Relax. :) | 09:45 |
| stickyboy | What are we here for? To talk about the weather? | 09:45 |
| magespawn | maybe some have experience, that was the main point of asking | 09:45 |
| magespawn | nice and sunny here, thanks | 09:45 |
| stickyboy | magespawn: My first advice is to read the licese you're applying. | 09:45 |
| stickyboy | I don't need to be a lawyer to tell you that. | 09:46 |
| thatgraemeguy | if a group of diesel mechanics are discussing medical issues, it'd be rather daft for any of them to base a future decision on the results of the discussion | 09:46 |
| magespawn | right stickyboy | 09:46 |
| stickyboy | GPLv2 license text has a section that says "How to Apply These Terms to Your New Programs". | 09:47 |
| stickyboy | That's a good starting point for the GPL. | 09:47 |
| magespawn | of course thatgraemeguy, but it might give them a point of reference when they do go to speak to a professional | 09:47 |
| stickyboy | I don't know what license you're going to use. | 09:47 |
| stickyboy | We don't even know if the GPL is enforceable in court. | 09:47 |
| thatgraemeguy | -_- | 09:47 |
| magespawn | thanks stickyboy, i had not thought about it, until recently | 09:47 |
| magespawn | stickyboy: that is a good point, this is when we need a lawyer | 09:48 |
| magespawn | or at least an ip expert | 09:48 |
| stickyboy | Well yesterday the IP expert at our research institute concluded that it is impossible to have CC-BY-SA and allow commercial use of a work. She thinks "Share Alike" limits commercial use. | 09:49 |
| stickyboy | Yet Creative Commons' own website states the opposite. | 09:49 |
| stickyboy | So an IP expert isn't an absolute litmus test. | 09:49 |
| stickyboy | IP "expert" let me say. ;) | 09:50 |
| magespawn | as always | 09:50 |
| stickyboy | But this was our top legal officer. | 09:50 |
| magespawn | some of these issues are only resloved through the courts, and sometimes no even conclusively then | 09:50 |
| magespawn | s/no/not | 09:51 |
| stickyboy | I prefer to give my stuff away. | 09:53 |
| stickyboy | Or license it so that I don't have to be a policeman. | 09:53 |
| magespawn | stickyboy: i can see how that might work, in that most commercial work is not allowed to be shared, so you might have to specify which part is CC-BY-SA, so that people can share that part only | 09:53 |
| stickyboy | magespawn: Regarding the CC-BY-SA, we were talking about publications from our publicly-funded research institute. What is a derivative work of a publication? | 09:54 |
| magespawn | i think with code it would be hard to enforce for 'small' sections of code, rather than whole programs. | 09:54 |
| magespawn | stickyboy: sometimes the people providing the funding would expect ownership | 09:55 |
| stickyboy | For example, taking some text about some breakthrough in Cassava diseases, translating it into Xhosa, putting it in a book, and selling it. | 09:55 |
| stickyboy | In this instance, CC-BY-SA doesn't mean "Give the book away for $0" | 09:55 |
| stickyboy | It means "you should allow people to make photo copies of it, to write blog posts containing excerpts of the text, etc" | 09:56 |
| stickyboy | And I argued that, as a publicly-funded institute, this is part of our mandate. | 09:56 |
| magespawn | yes, and if they want to reprint and sell their version they can do so with out paying licence fees, but by passing along the same conditions | 09:57 |
| stickyboy | Yes. | 10:02 |
| stickyboy | I hope that I managed to convince the IP people. | 10:02 |
| stickyboy | I was copied in rather late in their discussion, and it seems they had already decided on their limiting view. | 10:03 |
| magespawn | they might be motivated by the people paying the bills | 10:03 |
| stickyboy | magespawn: People paying the bills are literally tax payers. | 10:10 |
| stickyboy | Like I said, we're publicly funded. :) | 10:10 |
| stickyboy | US gov, Canadian gov, Swedish, UK, Australia, etc. | 10:10 |
| stickyboy | Then Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, who has a strict policy on open access: http://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/General-Information/Open-Access-Policy | 10:11 |
| stickyboy | Sadly they recommend CC-BY only. | 10:11 |
| elacheche | Yo! | 11:23 |
| elacheche | Why here is no pics from ZA for the wikilovesafrica competition!! → https://twitter.com/MounirTouzri1/status/658393034615365633 ??!!!! | 11:23 |
| elacheche | there* | 11:24 |
| andrewlsd | auf wieder sehn | 13:41 |
| elacheche | Kilos, Why there is no pics from ZA for the wikilovesafrica competition!! → https://twitter.com/MounirTouzri1/status/658393034615365633 ??!!!! | 15:34 |
| Kilos | oh | 15:35 |
| Kilos | inetpro superfly Cryterion and aother clever peeps ^^ | 15:36 |
| Kilos | wow elacheche so many pics there already | 15:37 |
| Kilos | you trying to win | 15:37 |
| Kilos | what is the prize | 15:38 |
| elacheche | no idea Kilos :D I'm not a photographer :p :D | 15:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:40 |
| elacheche | :) | 15:41 |
| captine | evening all | 18:34 |
| captine | long time | 18:34 |
| Kilos | night all.sleep tight | 19:08 |
| captine | superfly | 19:32 |
| captine | how you doing | 19:32 |
| superfly | hey captine | 19:34 |
| superfly | fine, but busy | 19:34 |
| superfly | how are you? | 19:34 |
| captine | busy | 19:44 |
| captine | very busy | 19:44 |
| captine | been a tough 6 months | 19:44 |
| captine | gotto run | 19:51 |
| captine | cheers all | 19:51 |
| thatgraemeguy | moo | 20:20 |
| superfly | baa | 20:27 |
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