[00:52] probably why things like pareole break for me - I have no cares :p [00:53] No, it's becasue apps don't like you..hence perfect QAL. [00:53] \o/ [00:54] I knew I would WIN [00:54] 8 or 10? [00:54] 9. [00:54] 7 [00:54] always 7 [00:54] as long as it's not 98ME [00:55] ha ha [00:55] 6 was my favorite number before but now i don't care [00:57] always 7 [00:59] bluesabre, you should really join #ubuntu-quality [00:59] bluesabre, otherwise me and flocculant start telling you silly things we don't understand, and with our little "manipulation", nor won't you [01:00] \o/ [01:01] you CAN apparently make ubuntu-bug work with PPAs [01:01] knome: like that? [01:01] heh, well, maybe... [01:02] :) [01:22] suppose I'll join then [01:22] I wonder if I might regret this [01:22] :D [01:25] bluesabre: I promise not to too often link youir quote :D [01:27] which one? [01:28] the "give us all your bug reports" one [01:28] ? [01:28] :D [01:29] nope [01:30] the "we want all your usabilty issues as bugs one [01:30] which I make up from 2 ro 3 different quotes [01:30] * flocculant should run for office .... [01:31] yes [01:31] the bad typing dept. [01:31] :) [01:31] would I win? [01:32] silly flocculant [01:32] ofc you would :P [01:32] It's unanimous [01:32] +1 [01:33] woot I win then [01:33] I knew I would WIN [01:33] egotist [01:34] and with that, I concede and "goodbye" [01:34] I would like to take this opportunityy to win things for drc - we are all equal, or old or stuff [01:34] o [01:35] * bluesabre forgets that his youth escapes a bit more each day [01:35] he missed winning :( [01:35] bluesabre shouldn't do that [01:36] bluesabre: Soon you'll be a cranky old man like the rest of us. [01:36] or, with some exact surgery, cranky old lady [01:36] :D [01:37] ha ha [09:04] flocculant, I retried the window snapping last night on real hardware (fresh install) and its working as is.. On my old vm it isnt, however, i have just built a fresh Xneial VM from the 1st iso release and snapping is working fine. So I'll assume that there is something wrong with my original VM. [09:05] oh and Morning by the way.. :-) [09:11] Howdy. [10:52] morning all [11:06] Morning [11:46] OK, Before I dive back into flocculant's "Xfce4 Power Manager Settings" Testcase, I'd like to clear up a little confusion I'm having re: Power Manager plugins. [11:47] It appears that there is a Power Manager plugin that is installed in the panel by default and is independent of either the Notification Area or Indicator Plugin. [11:49] It also appears that there is a Notification Area Power Manager Indicator/plugin that is activated via the XFCE Power Manager Settings/General Tab (System tray icon) [11:50] Both these do the same thing, abeit is slightly different fashions. Am I correct so far? [11:53] And that the Power Manager plugin is now monochromatic while the "System Tray icon (maybe not the best working, not sure we have a system tray now) is colorized. [11:54] SO my question is: Is this by design, we really want both of these? [11:55] After thinking for a bit, I wonder if this results from folks wanting the old "Indicator Plugin" battery indicator? [11:59] Right, so one is an xfce4-panel plugin, one is a tray icon, for say tint2. The panel plugin should have more features, or generally be slightly better than the plain tray icon. [12:00] Unit193: From what I see, they do the same thing, except one uses a right click and one uses a left click. [12:38] Hey flocculant, quick question on "Xfce4 Power Manager Settings" Testcase. Why was Display-> Brightness reduction not tested? [12:40] Other than some (still) wording on the testcase itself, everything work as advertised. [12:41] Submitted a "Pass". But what do you want in the Hardware profile? I use a inxi -F :) [12:58] or you can go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware drc [12:59] and then just add the gist github link [13:01] reading now [13:04] ...That is a horrible page. [13:04] that's what I use whenever I need to add my hardware profile either on the tracker or LP [13:04] yes, it is [13:06] thats one o fthe reasons i typr mine in the comments.. :-) [13:10] OK, pretty straight forward until it comes time to "edit the top table only" How would one go about doing this? I see nothing that would let me edit it. [13:14] * drc wonders if he'd get away with just saying "Apple ][" ? [13:16] dare you... :-) [13:17] To misquote Red Skelton "He don't know me very well, do he?" [13:29] good day everyone [13:30] installs are still fubar with the mtab thing I see :) [13:30] off shortly and will be back Sunday :) [13:35] going anywhere nice? [13:44] god-daughter and her family - Brighton [13:52] have a good weekend [14:07] enjoy flocculant, have a good time.. [14:30] drc, you're not obliged to add yourself to that table [14:31] I know, I was just wondering if I was missing something obvious. [14:31] all you need is the gist github link itself, since it's where your hardware specs are listed [14:32] did you login successfully in the wiki? [14:32] My guess is no. [14:33] so that's probably why you weren't able to edit it :P [14:33] tbh the wiki is a pain, anyhow [14:33] Like I said, something obvious :) [14:34] :) [14:34] All I really care about is "what do they want me to put in the "hardware profile" of the test cases" If Dell 1420n is enough, I'm good. [14:36] * slickymasterWork doesn't have a clear answer to that [14:36] ballons would be the one [14:36] * balloons [14:37] I may just go with that Apple ][ ... see how long it takes someone to ask "Really?" [14:38] lol [14:39] Silly Ubuntu One/wiki/whatever logins...running in circles [14:39] That's why I gave it up years ago :( [14:40] It seems like it's more about the infrastructure itself than what you do with it [14:40] yeah it's really annoying [14:41] BAH! Apple ][ it is :) [14:47] ;-) [14:48] hey akxwi_dave ... and congrats on becoming a "made man" :) [14:50] drc, cheers mate === genii is now known as zombiegenii === zombiegenii is now known as genii [16:49] slickymasterWork, at least you around? [16:49] yes, I am [16:49] why [16:49] ? [16:49] hah [16:49] "whyyyyy" [16:50] i was thinking setting up the contributor docs [16:50] what's your take on this: [16:50] I saw you add it to the blueprint [16:50] should we add it to the same repository or create a new one? [16:50] I'd go with a new one [16:50] right [16:51] just a matter of organization, keeping things tidy [16:51] i'll register a new project in lp for that then as well [16:51] xubuntu-contributor-docs ? [16:51] (obviously we can always change that..) [16:51] yes, that's about what I'd call it [16:51] ok [16:51] i'll make some room on the kitchen table and start working on it next then [16:51] btw knome, the "HowTo build docs locally" [16:52] the what? :) [16:52] can I draft it right on the website or do you want me to do it in a pad? [16:52] sudo apt-get build-dep && make [16:52] works in wily... [16:52] not that you silly you [16:52] :D [16:52] that's building docs... locally [16:53] the tutorial I'm writting on how to do it [16:53] it's an item in the blueprint [16:53] i'm wondering if we need a tutorial [16:53] silly nilly [16:53] :D [16:53] am i missing something here? [16:53] the tutorial is this: [16:53] 1) sudo apt-get install bzr [16:53] well flocculant mentioned it, the need for it, and I do see that there's a need [16:54] 2) bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs [16:54] I know that knome [16:54] 3) sudo apt-get build-dep xubuntu-docs [16:54] lol [16:54] stop [16:54] :D [16:54] let's just add that to the contributor docs :P [16:54] chances are that we may have a lot of potential contributors that just don't know [16:54] yes [16:55] either way works for me [16:55] well i'm not opposed to a blog article either [16:55] i guess just write it up in the blog [16:55] unless you decide to go deeper in the docbook land [16:55] oki doke [16:56] one thing I remembered that afterwards will have to go on the contributor-docs is this https://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds [16:56] jjfrv8, ochosi and I kind of settle that'd be the standard [16:58] slickymasterWork, i guess that's debatable, but at least we can link to it :) [16:58] of course it is, bit it's one standard at least [16:58] one con to the seprate repositories is that then it isn't as easy to share the same stylesheet [16:58] or at least we need to update both repositories with that when doing updates [16:59] well, that focus mainly in the wiki-type of documentation [16:59] still [16:59] we want it to look the same as the end-user docs [16:59] with some changes, sure [16:59] no argues there [16:59] but mostly the same [17:00] but we have to take in consideration the weight of xfce in that particular solution/standard [17:00] hmm? [17:01] and sean adopt it to his appps [17:01] hey so many 'ppp' [17:01] oh, you're talking about something else than me [17:01] what are you talking about, then? [17:02] 18:58 knome: one con to the seprate repositories is that then it isn't as easy to share the same stylesheet [17:02] so basically, we have an established stylesheet (and a somewhat matching PDF style layer) [17:02] if we do a separate repository, it isn't as easy to use the exact same files for this [17:03] oh, yes [17:03] or at least it means that if we make changes, we need to push them to two repositories [17:03] yes, I agree with that reasoning [17:03] also, if we want to mention the contributor docs from the docs startpage, the easiest way is that they exist in the same repository/package [17:03] of course, it would have its own subdirectory [17:04] I wasn't at all go against it [17:04] and all of it would be separated fromt he main docs [17:04] so i guess i'll do that - at least for now [17:04] it's relatively easily splittable too [17:04] I was just merely considering that we should somehow reference that standard in there some way [17:05] yeah, that's a totally different discussion :P [17:05] yeaps [17:05] the goal is to also try to catch some contributors to the xfce documentation [17:05] can be [17:06] on a different topic, I've been going through flocculant's -docs MP and I must say that other than a few minor wording changes it seems great [17:07] :) [17:07] he has done a great, and thorough, work on it [17:18] mhm [17:29] my two cents are that we don't necessarily have to follow the style of the xfce docs [17:29] ochosi, no, i'm about to follow the style of xubuntu docs [17:29] the faenza icon theme is not an ideal choic there since its not maintained for yeras [17:30] (just as an example) [17:30] ssh, i need silence for working [17:30] i'm just breaking all the docs and i want to do it well [17:30] hey ochosi [17:31] * ochosi sneaksout [17:31] hehe [17:32] I wasn't implying we should follow that style ochosi, just saying that we should somehow link some sort of reference to yet another side/aspect of -docs contribution [17:33] hey slickymasterWork [17:33] sorry very slow internet on this train... [17:33] :) [17:33] and yeah, to that i agree [18:20] bbl === genii is now known as zombiegenii [20:44] ooookay, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial === zombiegenii is now known as genii [20:58] bluesabre: i need some translator hints for catfish :p [20:59] strings 25 and 27: in which context are "other" and "any" used? [21:00] only those two string to do in german now :p === genii is now known as zombiegenii === zombiegenii is now known as genii [21:13] dkessel: checking... [21:14] dkessel: "other" is part of the file type filters [21:15] ochosi, now you can start writing documentation for contributors :P [21:15] as in: documents, folders, images, music, videos,..., other [21:15] knome: doc for contributors in what sense? [21:16] ochosi, like developer docs [21:16] dkessel: so "any" is the same in terms of the date range [21:16] ochosi, "how to contribute with artwork" [21:16] File filters... where do i have to click? :? [21:16] dkessel: those are in the sidebar [21:17] ah. strange enough, those are both translated in my version here... although on launchpad they aren't [21:17] dkessel: here's the context for "other" http://i.imgur.com/FGg6NhX.png [21:17] thanks ochosi [21:17] no worries [21:17] grep is your friend ;) [21:17] (in case you run into such a problem again) [21:18] or you can also check the "Located in.." hint on the launchpad translation site :D [21:19] knome: yeah, i guess that'd be a nice effort, but why the "now"? [21:20] ochosi, i just set up the infrastructure for that, we now have a new docbook book in the -docs branch [21:20] oh ok [21:20] cool [21:20] well that would be a nice target for 16.04 [21:20] ochosi, ultimately, we can ship that with all releases and have it in docs.xubuntu.org [21:20] then again, are you sure ppl will read docs like that? [21:21] no, but then again, i'm not going to put a huge effort on them [21:21] i mean, we should document our processes as we have done now [21:21] and if we can extend that to some of the technical issues, that's good [21:21] it's as much a guide to us as to new contributors [21:22] at least that's how i imagine it... [21:25] yeah, that makes sense === genii is now known as zombiegenii === zombiegenii is now known as genii === benonsoftware is now known as MisterHiyas [22:04] slickymaster, see above [22:05] doing it already [22:05] :) [22:07] knome, "The Xubuntu status tracker is where the development progress for the current development cycle is tracked and is located at." [22:08] isn't there an extra 'is' between 'tracked and' 'located' [22:08] what about "The Xubuntu status tracker is where the development progress for the current development cycle is tracked and located at [22:09] no, the link tag was faulty and the link didn't show up [22:09] i pushed a new revision now [22:10] happy that you are happy that we can actually work on this now ;P [22:10] lol [22:10] are you referring to rev. 465 [22:11] ^ [22:11] yeah, lag [22:11] the sentence remains the same knome [22:12] well, you can fix it yourself... [22:12] lol [22:13] don't want to do it if you do not agree with it [22:13] no, i just wanted to set some initial content up [22:13] branching it anyway [22:13] this is by no means final, or well-thought [22:13] ok [22:14] it will also serves the purpose of seeing it in the browser [22:14] * serve [22:21] knome, the license file is a clone from the one in the -docs? [22:22] slickymaster, yes [22:23] thanks, it saves the effort of reading it [22:23] heh [22:24] another quetsion knome, are you thinking in having the common-infrastructure bzr centric? === Unit193 is now known as HeadlessHorseman [22:25] no, but for anything that is common for several subtopics [22:26] yes, agree === drc is now known as drc2