[00:03] <sgclark> well I do a large chunk of the packaging now, but obviously when I get a paid gig my time will reduce. We definitly need more packagers.
[00:03] <sgclark> clivejo is/was doing some great work there.
[00:04] <sgclark> if we find a few more for when folks are busy with life , that would be great
[00:04] <sgclark> spread the load a bit.
[00:04] <sgclark> anyway, I am off for the evening.
[00:28] <yofel> Unpacking analitza4-common (4:4.14.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.04~ppa1) ...
[00:28] <yofel> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/analitza4-common_4%3a4.14.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.04~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[00:28] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/libanalitza/plots/polar.plots', which is also in package analitza-common 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1
[00:29] <yofel> I'll fix that
[00:31] <ahoneybun> mm
[00:35] <mparillo> yofel: Does that mean I hold off testing the trusty KDE Apps Upgrade?
[00:36] <mparillo> hold off is American English for delay.
[00:36] <yofel> well, you can try the default upgrade. This was with kubuntu-full
[00:36] <yofel> but yeah, this will need re-testing once it's built
[00:39] <mparillo> Then I will wait a bit. But getting close to my children's bedtime (and therefore mine)
[01:35] <mparillo> yofel: please post when you are ready for me to try the upgrade. I will look for it tomorrow. All: Even though I no longer use 14.04 I am glad to participate in this effort.
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:27] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[11:39] <sgclark> morning
[11:41] <mparillo> sgclark: good morning. Last night yofel was uploading one more thing to trusty. 
[11:41] <yofel> long published, please re-test
[11:41] <mparillo> yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/libanalitza/plots/polar.plots', which is also in package analitza-common 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1
[11:42] <sgclark> yofel: akonadi is missing ppa tag
[11:42] <mparillo> OK, I am ready to re-test
[11:42] <yofel> sgclark: as was the one before that, hardly fixable now
[11:42] <yofel> hm
[11:43] <sgclark> hmm odd
[11:43] <sgclark> I am using bzr-buildpackage-ppa
[11:43] <yofel> one could upload ubuntu4~ppa just to make it obvious
[11:43] <yofel> are the other backports in branches somewhere?
[11:43]  * yofel uploaded analitza by hand
[11:43] <sgclark> I am using the bzr
[11:44] <sgclark> as we stopped susing bzr at 4.14.2
[11:44] <sgclark> so it kinda fit
[11:44] <yofel> aaah
[11:44] <yofel> ok, let me fix that then
[11:44] <sgclark> k
[11:45] <mparillo> Muon Update Manager still gives me the WARNING: Installing unverified software represents a security risk.
[11:45] <sgclark> mparillo: did you use add-apt-repository to add the ppa?
[11:45] <mparillo> I added it to my software sources using Muon Updater.
[11:45] <sgclark> otherwise you need to import the key
[11:46] <sgclark> no clue how muon handles keys
[11:46]  * sgclark doesnt use it
[11:47] <mparillo> OK, I will cancel, remove the PPA from Muon Updater and try the command line
[11:49] <mparillo> Hmm did that and I noticed Independent in my software sources. I do not recall seeing that one before.
[11:49] <sgclark> what is that?
[12:00] <mparillo> I am not sure where Independent came from. It is on my 14.04 VM (with a fresh install and only rekonq kteatime open-vm-tools-desktop added), but not on this 15.10 netbook.
[12:02] <mparillo> In any case I am doing the add-apt-repository, and it imported the keys. I did an apt update and upgrade and dist-upgrade (all separately and all without my usual -y switch) and they sem to be running smoothly
[12:12] <mparillo> So it looks as if the key is not installed by default (it might be for the regular backports PPA), as they completed sucessfully, and now a re-boot is indicated.
[12:19] <sgclark> yeahprobably
[12:23] <mparillo> Re-booted, and Kate, Dolphin, and Konsole appear to be working (though for some reason in Kate when I open home is looks empty, but if I open root, then go to home, I see the folder with my user name). Is there a version number of any of them that I can check to see if I got the right updates?
[12:23] <sgclark> 4.14.3
[12:25] <mparillo> Dolphin is 4.14.3. Kate is 3.14.13 and Konsole is 2.13.2 but all three are using KDE Development Platform 4.14.13
[12:25] <mparillo> Dolphin is 4.14.13. Kate is 3.14.13 and Konsole is 2.13.2 but all three are using KDE Development Platform 4.14.13
[12:27] <sgclark> hmm k, guess that is right
[12:28] <sgclark> let me try to reproduce, may have to file a bug upstream
[12:41] <mparillo> I see that the apt-cache policy for kate is 4:4.14.3 which differs from the internal version on the help about menu
[12:49] <sgclark> does not happen for me, kate opens Documents which in my case is empty
[12:49] <sgclark> home directory has all the expected folders
[13:00] <mparillo> I tried it again, and kate seemed to work as expected. And I now remember that the packaging version numbers (from apt-cache policy) do not necessarily align with the internal applications version numbers
[13:04] <sgclark> excellent, thank you very much for all your help mparillo
[13:27] <mparillo> My pleasure. And it is funny, I think I miss Plasma 4. 
[16:35] <santa_> yofel, sgclark: around? I would like to discuss a simple technical detail of kubuntu-automation
[16:44] <soee> yofel: ping
[16:47] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PRIME-Sync-Tearing
[18:11] <prth> hi Riddell 
[19:03] <santa_> Mamarok: sorry in advance if this ping bothers you, is this ok with you https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-October/010066.html ?
[19:05] <Mamarok> santa_: yes, that is OK, you do not need to ask me, see what ahoneybun wrote about it already :)
[19:06] <ahoneybun> :)
[19:06] <santa_> Mamarok: ok, thank you, I just wanted to be sure ;)
[19:07] <santa_> sorry about the first poll btw
[19:10] <Mamarok> no problem, I was just a tad astonished you seemd so in a hurry to put dates that were already in the past when you sent the link to :)
[19:10] <santa_> haha
[19:52] <mparillo> I get santa_ is in a hurry, yes; in a hurry to help with build automation.
[20:09] <Mamarok> he can start right away, the membership is just the icing on the cake :)
[20:26] <valorie> mparillo: really? I never miss plasma 2 at all (except the weather widget, and my beloved little Luna/Moon widget)
[20:26] <valorie> but my widgets will come in time, I hope
[21:12] <mparillo> Spell-check widget is the widget I miss the most.
[21:13] <valorie> hmmm, never heard of that one
[21:13] <valorie> mparillo: why not port it?
[22:18] <mparillo> Out of my league (at least until the children grow and/or I retire). 
[22:25] <santa_> ah, indeed kubuntu-automation is kind of a hurry - unlike the membership, which is less urgent - I have been working a bit on it today
[22:26] <valorie> oh good
[22:27] <valorie> tooling to make the work lighter for everyone seems important