[10:33] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[10:34] <Kilos> for those that are health conscious please read carefully http://www.radianthealthstrategies.com/healing_power_of_salt.php
[10:38] <Kilos-> some not so good news about refined salt
[11:01] <gremble> :/ That article is a sham Kilos. :<
[11:03] <gremble> "Himalayan crystal salt" is just normal halite (rock salt or Sodium Chloride (NaCl just like table salt)) that has trace amounts of iron oxide in
[11:04] <gremble> There is nothing organic about salt
[11:05] <gremble> It is an ionisation bond between a metal and non-metal, so it is always strongly bonded as a crystal "chemical bonds are so strong that it cannot be easily broken down or metabolized by our bodies" We cannot metabolise salt regardless of what kind of salt it is, it is broken down by water into it's two constituents, Soduim and Chloride, fairly easily
[11:06] <gremble> Sodium does not occur naturally, we need to take it in. Just like we need to take in magnesium and iron etc
[11:07] <gremble> I cannot attest to the health benefits or problems that salt causes, but I can say that this article is being deceitful in its attempt to promote conscientious use of salt :<
[11:16] <Kilos-> so the refining process doesnt do it any harm?
[11:16] <Kilos-> im not worried about the crystal stuff from himalaya
[11:16] <Kilos-> i use course salt
[11:17] <Kilos-> were have a course salt grinder
[11:17] <Kilos-> other wise its like eating stones
[11:19] <gremble> refined salt is coarse salt that has been grinded down in industrial grinders
[11:23] <Kilos-> not heated?
[11:24] <gremble> Yup, to remove the water. Doesn't change the chemical composition of the salt, only the mixture. As soon as you reintroduce water it is the same again
[11:26] <Kilos-> ah so saying the heating process does harm is wrong
[11:27] <Kilos-> the salt i know comes from salt pand where they sun dry the salty water then bag the crystals
[11:27] <gremble> Yup
[11:28] <gremble> But you also get salt mines that mine ancient saltpans that are underground now
[11:28] <gremble> Just like iron can form underground deposits, so does salt. In that form it is called Halite
[11:28] <gremble> They mine it by pumping hotwater into the mine to dissolve the salt, and then pump the saline water out to dry on a salt pan
[11:29] <gremble> So it is pretty much exactly the same
[12:00] <Kilos-> ah
[12:00] <Kilos-> ty for that info
[14:15] <superfly> gremble: while you are probably right about the salt, most of the stuff we get in the shops is processed, and that means they've likely added stuff to it.
[14:17] <superfly> Also, there is no legal obligation for companies to reveal exactly what they do to food. 
[14:20] <superfly> For instance, the honey you generally buy in shops is largely the same as syrup, because the radurisation kills all the enzymes.
[14:31] <gremble> superfly: which is a shame. Then again, we'd all be so angry if we kept getting sick from milk or we found out that certain foods naturally have a less than appatising colour. :<
[14:36] <superfly> Well, "appertising" is quite a subjective thing. 
[14:37] <superfly> And pasturising kills the gerbies in milk, what does the other stuff add? 
[14:37] <gremble> Homogenousing agents prevent the fat in the milk from splitting with the water, so that it looks nice and uniformly white
[14:38] <superfly> Let's not forget the role that advertising has. There's that great story about how De Beers engineered the diamond market 
[14:38] <gremble> Oh yes
[14:38] <gremble> All in all, the consumer society is sort of set against us :P
[14:38] <gremble> (as consumers) 
[14:38] <superfly> gremble: have you had unhomogenised milk? 
[14:39] <gremble> I've had milk from cows directly from the cow
[14:39] <gremble> Was pretty good
[14:39] <gremble> Much richer than what I am used to
[14:39] <superfly> Indeed. Generally better than what's in the shops. 
[14:40] <superfly> I actually dislike consumerism, and generally try not to take part. 
[14:42] <gremble> I put my foot down when it comes to clothes. I hate buy clothes, shoes etc, because everything has a label or a brand or some shit on it that turns me into a walking ad, using adspace that I had to pay for
[14:56] <Kilos-> hahahaha
[14:56] <Kilos-> hi superfly 
[14:58] <Kilos-> sorry i was missing for 2 days i think. hit  a bp low
[14:58] <Kilos-> then started investigating salt
[14:59] <Kilos-> forgot to have extra salt for 3 days. wont do that again. 73/60 bp not healthy
[15:00] <Kilos->  back to 95/76 so far
[15:05] <Langjan> hi Kilos-  are you ok?
[15:06] <Langjan> Steamy 37 at Warmbaths, Hotbaths
[15:16] <Kilos-> yes ty Langjan 
[15:16] <Kilos-> we had 34 on a verandah in the shade today
[15:16] <Kilos-> wind didnt even help
[15:17] <Langjan> Pretty steamy all over, praying for some rain. Good to see you're fine, have you booked your flight yet?
[15:17] <Kilos-> not yet
[15:17] <Langjan> dates? 
[15:21] <Langjan> do you have departure dates in mind yet?
[15:23] <Langjan> I'm looking forward to pick Juanita up at the airport Wednesday, been a long 3 weeks
[15:23] <superfly> http://openlp.org/blog/2015/11/01/first-22-series-bugfix-release-openlp-221
[15:24] <superfly> ag
[15:24] <superfly> http://ewn.co.za/2015/11/01/Warning-of-heavy-rainfall-possible-flooding-issued-in-the-Cape
[15:24] <superfly> paste buffer not working properly
[15:24] <superfly> and lag times > 10 seconds
[15:25] <Langjan> hi superfly  tell them to send some rain to Limpopo
[15:26] <superfly> hi Langjan, I would if I could!
[15:26] <Langjan> thks!
[15:46] <nlsthzn> hi all... long time etc... hope all is well
[15:46] <Kilos-> hi nlsthzn 
[15:47] <Kilos-> Langjan we hoping to apply for online visa this week
[15:48] <Kilos-> i need to get some photo copeis made and notarised by cops
[15:48] <Kilos-> might still need to go the paper route though but we hoping
[15:51] <nlsthzn> so you both going somewhere?
[15:51] <Kilos-> hahaha ya nlsthzn im hoping to get to debs by Christmas
[15:52] <Kilos-> and jans wife coming back from india
[15:52] <nlsthzn> awesome :) hope it all works out (for everyone)
[15:52] <Kilos-> ty
[16:02] <nlsthzn> well that looks like dinner time for me :) - hope all of a quiet Sunday (I will lurk here in the shadows)
[16:02] <Kilos-> cool enjot
[16:02] <Kilos-> y
[16:16] <Langjan> Strongs Kilos-  hope all goes well for you. 
[16:45] <magespawn> good evening
[16:45] <magespawn> i am having a bit of a problem installing certain programs on debian that i have running on my ubuntu machine
[16:46] <magespawn> specifically byobu
[16:47] <gremble> According to the byobu page, it seems to have been made especially for ubuntu
[16:47] <gremble> What are the problems that you seem to have?
[16:48] <magespawn> i was trying to apt-get install it, i can build it from source i suppose
[16:48] <gremble> It seems to be in the debian repos
[16:49] <gremble> What was the issue?
[16:49] <magespawn> my apt-get does not find it
[16:49] <magespawn> so i need to add the repo just not sure which one
[16:49] <magespawn> i thought i had all the standard ones going already
[16:50] <gremble> According to https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/byobu.html, it's there
[16:50] <magespawn> let me see
[16:50] <Kilos-> oh my magespawn 
[16:50] <Kilos-> you forgot to update
[16:50] <Kilos-> hehe
[16:50] <Kilos-> hope all well there
[16:51] <gremble> magespawn: https://packages.debian.org/stable/byobu
[16:51] <gremble> It's definitely there
[16:53] <magespawn> no Kilos, always up to date, at least once a week
[16:53] <magespawn> thanks gremble 
[16:53] <magespawn> cool will see what else could have gone wrong
[16:53] <gremble> Haha it's a pleasure, but I didn't help you solve your problem :P
[16:55] <magespawn> i have to add this deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main to my sources file
[16:56] <gremble> That is the name of new stable if I recall correctly
[16:56] <gremble> You should have one named stable that points to the same thing
[16:59] <magespawn> gremble i installed from a dvd and left that listed as the main source for my  computer
[17:03] <magespawn> running update again now, lets see what happens
[17:05] <gremble> magespawn: stable is a reference to whichever repository currently has stable status. So these days it points to Jessie. Unstable points to sid at the moment. When sid goes to stable, jessie will be old-stable, sid will be stable and then something else that hasn't been named yet will become unstable
[17:06] <magespawn> thanks gremble, working as it should now
[17:06] <gremble> Oh. 
[17:06] <gremble> See, that's weird
[17:06] <gremble> haha
[17:06] <magespawn> i did a lot of the install manually with this one
[17:08] <gremble> I haven't touched debian in ages :<
[17:08] <gremble> Luckily it is antique so you never really forget how it works
[17:10] <magespawn> i was convinced by a friend to try it
[17:10] <gremble> You should try arch linux
[17:11]  * gremble winks and nudges
[17:14] <magespawn> would it run on an antique laptop?
[17:15] <gremble> It should
[17:16] <gremble> Nothing ever really gets taken out of the kernel so the drivers and stuff should be there
[17:29] <magespawn> i just thought that it might be too much for it though
[17:29] <gremble> Why so?
[17:29] <magespawn> 512kb ram
[17:30] <gremble> Haha that is quite a tiny computer that you have there
[17:31] <Kilos-> sjoe
[17:31] <Kilos-> tha is min ram
[17:31] <Kilos-> t
[17:31] <magespawn> yes i have had it for four years, and it was second hand then
[17:39] <magespawn> 1.7Ghz processor
[17:41] <magespawn> sorry looks like i actually have 1 gig
[17:41] <Kilos-> ram?
[17:42] <Kilos-> thats better
[17:42] <gremble> I currently have 2 :D
[17:43] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight
[17:43] <gremble> nn Kilos- 
[17:51] <magespawn> he goes really quickly
[18:08] <magespawn> right back
[18:16] <gremble> Welcome back
[18:22] <gremble> HDD's are ridiculously expensive
[18:22] <gremble> >.<
[18:37] <gremble> Dammit, superfly left
[18:38] <gremble> Look at this: https://benkurtovic.com/2014/06/01/obfuscating-hello-world.html
[18:38] <gremble> Haha
[19:20] <Cryterion> Looks interesting gremble!
[19:20] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[19:23] <magespawn> hi Cryterion 
[19:24] <Cryterion> heya magespawn
[19:25] <gremble> Hey Cryterion 
[20:36] <Cryterion> grrr, bif difference between a char and unsigned char with if statements, but no problem passing between the two among functions....
[20:36] <Cryterion> night all
[20:38] <gremble> what language Cryterion 
[20:39] <Cryterion> gnu c
[20:39] <gremble> Ah yes. It likes to implicitly cast
[20:39] <Cryterion> was checking a char if was 0xFF, which it cannot be
[20:40] <Cryterion> cast to unsigned then it can be
[20:41] <Cryterion> That does explain why the ASCII table can only go to 0x7F
[20:41] <gremble> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14713102/what-does-and-0xff-do
[20:43] <Cryterion> I know the And/Or procedure, just not used the using 'char' as all my embedded stuff is based around 'unsigned char' unless it's a 'char*'
[20:44] <gremble> It seems that they recommend using unsigned types. 
[20:44] <gremble> I've never done embedded work, so I cannot comment :P
[20:44] <gremble> My interest is type systems XD
[20:45] <Cryterion> From what I know most people do prefer
[20:46] <Cryterion> Mainly data reading reading, process and then action IO, automation control
[20:47] <Cryterion> But has to have recipe type options in it 
[20:47] <gremble> Is C the only language that you can do embedded work in?
[20:48] <Cryterion> Atm yes
[20:48] <Cryterion> Assembly ages ago