[06:06] <hikiko> hello
[06:54] <didrocks> good morning
[08:06] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:07] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:07] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[08:28] <larsu> good morning!
[08:34] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts? had a good w.e?
[08:36] <didrocks> hey larsu! Back from Italy?
[08:36] <Trevinho> morning
[08:37] <larsu> seb128: yes! Warm and sunny Milan was nice :)
[08:37] <larsu> didrocks: indeed. Came back late last night
[08:37] <larsu> hi Trevinho
[08:37] <larsu> how are all of you? Enjoyed the weekend?
[08:37] <Trevinho> hikiko__: lars
[08:37] <larsu> didrocks: feling better finally?
[08:37] <Trevinho> hi larsu *
[08:37] <larsu> Trevinho: wow, tab complete on the wrong word? :P
[08:38] <Trevinho> :D
[08:38]  * Trevinho has not the head connected yet
[08:39] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[08:39] <Trevinho> hi seb128, well still in the limbo... Trying to fight against myself :P
[08:40] <Trevinho> seb128: you?
[08:40] <seb128> larsu, w.e was nice, good party on saturday, easy day yesterday and enjoyed the nicer weather
[08:40] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm good thanks!
[08:40] <seb128> Trevinho, are you still with andyrock?
[08:40] <Trevinho> seb128: nope, I come back on sat
[08:40] <seb128> did you guys have fun for halloween
[08:40] <seb128> oh, ok
[08:40] <Trevinho> I should have stayed till tue, but I got some things to do
[08:40] <seb128> k
[08:41] <Trevinho> Well, yes.... But Stockholm, really? That city doesn't want to get fun
[08:41] <Trevinho> Not sure it deserves cool people like us :P
[08:41] <seb128> lol
[08:41] <seb128> probably not ;-)
[08:41] <seb128> go to Berlin next time!
[08:42] <Trevinho> Yeah, I want to go there... I've been there some years ago but I indeed need to stay there a little more
[08:42]  * Trevinho needs more friends (for travelling with) who can work remotely :P
[08:43] <hikiko> hi all again :)
[08:43] <hikiko> Trevinho, did you ping me?
[08:44] <Trevinho> hikiko: no, sorry... It was a mistake
[08:44] <hikiko> or that was a hi+tab? lol
[08:44] <Trevinho> I wanted to auto-complete Hi :P
[08:44] <larsu> morning hikiko
[08:44] <didrocks> larsu: was sick during the entire week-end, so didn't really enjoy it
[08:44] <hikiko> morning larsu Trevinho didrocks and all
[08:44] <didrocks> larsu: finally better today
[08:44] <didrocks> hey hikiko, Trevinho
[08:44] <larsu> didrocks: :(
[08:44] <larsu> didrocks: at least it is getting beter
[08:44] <larsu> *better
[08:45] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, still sneezing a little bit, but nothing compared to last days
[08:46] <didrocks> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. -> let's ship it! :)
[08:47] <Trevinho> hi didrocks
[09:03] <Laney> comrades!
[09:03] <Laney> buddies!
[09:04] <Laney> friends!
[09:04] <Laney> pals!
[09:05] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:05] <larsu> how was the rest of your vacation?
[09:06] <hikiko> hi Laney
[09:08] <seb128> hey Laney, welcome back! had good holidays?
[09:09] <didrocks> hey Laney, Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
[09:10] <Laney> NEIN
[09:10] <Laney> hi larsu hikiko seb128 didrocks
[09:10] <Laney> did everything break?
[09:11] <Laney> larsu: good, nice altstadt there and lots of posh/green houses
[09:11] <Laney> http://www.rolfdisch.de/index.php?p=home&pid=78&L=1#a566 this rotating solar house was round the corner from us
[09:12] <Laney> seb128: very nice thanks!
[09:12] <Laney> fun to go around by train
[09:12] <Laney> and we had a cool host in berlin ;-)
[09:14] <Laney> super misty today
[09:21] <larsu> Laney: glad you liked it :)
[09:22] <Laney> larsu: did you get some tourism done?
[09:22] <Laney> or caféism
[09:22] <Laney> or somethingism
[09:24] <darkxst> hey seb128 Laney didrocks larsu
[09:26] <didrocks> good evening darkxst
[09:26] <seb128> hey darkxst
[09:27] <seb128> bah
[09:27] <seb128> looks like somebody let the gnome-desktop binaries out of the new queue
[09:28] <seb128> we have cheese gnome-desktop poppler e-d-s libgtop transitions stacked in xenial now :-/
[09:28] <seb128> didrocks, Laney (others with upload rights) any chance you would help with those this week?
[09:30] <darkxst> seb128, I will do what i can to help, but not tonight, broken from 3 days of climbing
[09:30] <seb128> darkxst, ok, thanks
[09:31] <Laney> yep
[09:31] <Laney> I am just making a tracker for eds actually
[09:31]  * Laney did a look at what is broken
[09:31] <Laney> seems people were keen on starting the transitions
[09:31] <Laney> instead of serialising them
[09:32] <didrocks> seb128: can do, finishing up some medium tests work first, because umake is still my priority, but then, should be good (this afternoon, I guess)
[09:32] <Laney> don't bother, I will do a wave first
[09:32] <Laney> otherwise we might clash
[09:33] <didrocks> Laney: I'll poke here once I can focus on this anyway, and you will tell me if you need any hand :)
[09:33] <larsu> hi darkxst
[09:33] <Laney> hey darkxst
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[09:33] <Laney> 3 days, impressive
[09:33] <larsu> Laney: we did walk around the city quite a lot and went shopping (it is Milan after all) and looking at old buildings and walking along canals
[09:33] <larsu> Laney: and drank a lot of espresso. Tasty
[09:34] <Laney> nice
[09:34] <Laney> did you speak any italian?
[09:34] <larsu> I moved mu hands some
[09:34] <seb128> Laney, do you start your wave now or do you still do catchup first? (just to not conflict, going to do some rebuilds now)
[09:34] <Laney> prego!
[09:34] <seb128> k :-)
[09:34]  * Laney is doing some
[09:34] <larsu> ;)
[09:34] <Laney> well, making trackers first
[09:34] <Laney> easy thing to get started back on
[09:35] <seb128> we have one for poppler
[09:35] <seb128> cheese is done so no need for it
[09:35] <seb128> it just got tangled with e-d-s through gnome-contacts
[09:35] <seb128> libgtop and e-d-s we could use trackers for
[09:35] <seb128> gnome-desktop as well I guess
[09:36] <Laney> I'm on it, no worries
[09:36] <seb128> do we have documentation on how to set up a transition tracker?
[09:36] <seb128> for next time
[09:36] <seb128> thanks
[09:36] <Laney> lp:~ubuntu-transition-trackers/ubuntu-transition-tracker/configs
[09:37] <Laney> & http://ben.debian.net/
[09:37] <darkxst> Laney, http://imgur.com/eUVb7F6 ;)
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, danke
[09:38] <darkxst> seb128, did valac get MIR'ed?
[09:38] <Laney> no need for that
[09:38] <seb128> darkxst, I promoted it, no need of MIR it's basically a new version of a package that was already in main
[09:38] <darkxst> Laney, g-c-c won't build without it
[09:38] <seb128> I retried g-c-c
[09:38] <seb128> which built fine
[09:38] <darkxst> ok cool
[09:39] <seb128> did that for some others as well like shotwell
[09:39] <seb128> but the cheese transition didn't get it because gnome-contacts picked up e-d-s
[09:39] <seb128> we could probably build gnome-contacts without cheese to let the other ones migrate
[09:39] <seb128> then enable the option back
[09:39] <Laney> vala source is in universe though
[09:39] <Laney> the horror
[09:39] <seb128> but that set is small enough that it's probably not useful
[09:40] <seb128> Laney, I guess I can fix that ;-)
[09:40] <darkxst> g-c-c can drop to universe, if u-c-c takes the shared-data package?
[09:41] <seb128> darkxst, I guess it can, I'm going to have a look now to that shared-data thing
[09:41] <darkxst> seb128, pretty sure I cleaned up everything else last cycle, that was keeping it in main
[09:41] <seb128> Trevinho, you have a bamf landing coming?
[09:42] <seb128> darkxst, great, thanks
[09:42] <seb128> Trevinho, we need a rebuild with the new libgtop soname
[09:45] <didrocks> Ran 56 tests in 931.705s
[09:45] <didrocks> phew, system medium tests -> OK \O/
[09:45] <didrocks> (well, need to commit this in logical order now)
[09:45] <didrocks> and next release as it's a system package test
[09:46]  * didrocks tries the same in jenkins with the patched system package to reconfirm
[09:51] <Laney> upgrade FAIL in python-pexpect from some PPA
[09:52] <Laney> wait
[09:52] <Laney>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages
[09:52]  * Laney stares
[09:53] <Laney> but there is no pexpect package there
[09:54] <seb128> Laney, there was one from didrocks I think but he deleted it
[09:54] <Laney> right
[09:54] <seb128> or maybe it was in the umake ppa, or I'm confusing things
[09:54] <Laney> dunno why I got it then
[09:54] <Laney> unless it was super recent
[09:54] <seb128> I don't think it was
[09:54] <Laney> Deleted on 2015-10-19
[09:55] <didrocks> yeah
[09:55]  * Laney asked #lp
[09:55] <didrocks> wrong dput :p
[09:56] <didrocks> but it's old, indeed
[09:59] <desrt> good morning eŭroanoj
[10:00] <Laney> greetings desrt
[10:00] <Laney> how's it going?
[10:00] <didrocks> morning desrt
[10:01]  * Laney xenialifies
[10:02] <desrt> hi larsu, didrocks, Laney
[10:02] <desrt> it's going well
[10:02] <desrt> except that my biological clock seems to be floating somewhere in the middle of the atlantic right now
[10:03] <didrocks> desrt: you were flying too fast and didn't let it catch you ;)
[10:03] <didrocks> it will eventually catch up :p
[10:03] <seb128> hey desrt
[10:03] <desrt> morning seb
[10:04] <Laney> are you on the left side now?
[10:04] <larsu> morning desrt - how's home?
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, darkxst, I'm pondering deleting the new gnome-desktop from xenial-proposed to make other transitions easier to go through, then we could reupload ... wdyt?
[10:05] <Laney> gimme a bit to get a handle on it
[10:06] <desrt> larsu: just feeling the (not totally bad) effects of jetlag
[10:06] <desrt> i blame the additional timechange :)
[10:06] <seb128> Laney, ok, issue is that if we start rebuilds for e-d-s/libgtop we might pick more things and gnome-desktop gets harder to delete then
[10:07] <larsu> desrt: hehe, was wondering why you're already awake
[10:08] <Laney> seb128: do you know of any failures?
[10:10] <darkxst> Laney, for gnome-desktop? only unity was failing for unrelated things
[10:10] <Laney> any of them really
[10:10] <seb128> Laney, no, I'm just concerned that we try to batch too much and realize it's getting complicated
[10:10] <darkxst> I think that was fixed though?
[10:11] <darkxst> Trevinho, maybe?
[10:12] <Laney> there seems to be https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011
[10:14] <seb128> that built before gnome-desktop was NEWed though
[10:14] <seb128> so if we keep gnome-desktop we need to rebuild that silo
[10:14] <Laney> no change rebuilding is trivial
[10:14] <Laney> fixing the real failure presumably less so, so good it is done :)
[10:14] <seb128> right
[10:14] <seb128> well that was not my point
[10:15] <seb128> my point is that we might hit 3 hard ones to fix in the rdepends list
[10:15] <seb128> and then we might regreat to not have decoupled the transitions
[10:15] <seb128> but it might also be fine
[10:15] <seb128> I just prefer to play safe
[10:15] <Laney> right, I know about transitions :P
[10:15]  * Laney is trying rebuilds
[10:20]  * Laney loves parallel.moreutils
[10:30] <Laney> larsu: should I check out that nautilus branch now?
[10:32] <larsu> Laney: seb128 found another bug on Friday that I'm looking into right now (folders are the wrong size after changing scale factor)
[10:32] <Laney> okay, lemme know when
[10:32] <larsu> should be a one liner, but it's hard to find where to put  the one line :/
[10:33] <Laney> noticed notify-osd gets messed up too after fiddling with the factor ;-)
[10:33] <larsu> still? I thought we fixed that last cycle?
[10:34] <seb128> that's there for ever
[10:34] <Laney> it gets the initial one
[10:34] <Laney> but now after changing it a few times I have big notifications
[10:34] <larsu> bug #?
[10:35] <seb128> bug #1020510
[10:35] <seb128> is the same I guess
[10:35] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1303796
[10:35] <Laney> probably
[10:35] <larsu> Laney: unity figures you can't see right (since you're playing with dpi all the time) and just leaves it big. It's a feature
[10:35] <seb128> bug #1303796
[10:35] <Laney> too slow old man!
[10:36] <seb128> lol
[10:36] <darkxst> fwiw there is a crasher in nautilus 3.18.1, been getting lots of reports of, but no proper trace yet
[10:36] <seb128> darkxst, k, is that upstream? or from the gnome3 ppa? where do you get the reports?
[10:37] <darkxst> seb128, from gnome3-ppa (but we have most ubuntu patches dropped there), https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1512163
[10:37] <larsu> ubot5: because it's private!
[10:37] <larsu> ubot5: clearly...
[10:37] <seb128> k
[10:38] <darkxst> seb128, I have a retracer running, but it was down over the weekend
[10:38] <larsu> haha now ubot5 queried me :)
[10:38] <seb128> lol
[10:41]  * Laney books a chimney sweep
[10:41]  * Laney is victorian
[10:42] <larsu> you have a chimney?
[10:42] <Laney> haha, he's got his kid to do the answerphone message
[10:42] <Laney> cute
[10:43] <Laney> yeah ... 3 I think
[10:43] <Laney> we have like 5 fireplaces
[10:43] <Laney> this is an old house
[10:43] <Laney> (only use one of them though)
[10:44] <larsu> wow
[10:44] <seb128> Laney lives in a castle!
[10:44] <Laney> just an ancient house
[10:45] <larsu> aka a castle
[10:45] <Laney> it looks victorian outside too, can't see over the road
[10:45] <larsu> pics!
[10:45] <Laney> at least this is fog and not smog...
[10:45] <Laney> ...hopefully...
[10:47] <seb128> going for lunch, bbl
[10:47] <desrt> enjoy, seb!
[10:47] <seb128> thanks
[10:47] <larsu> enjoy!
[10:47]  * desrt notes that she can't seem to do anything to glib anymore without breaking something
[10:48] <desrt> too many compilers and pseduo-compilers
[10:48] <larsu> pseudo compilers?
[10:48] <desrt> things like gtk-doc and introspection scanners
[10:48] <larsu> ah :(
[10:48] <larsu> and msvc :P
[10:48] <desrt> that routinely get thrown for a loop by fancy new stuff we do in headers
[10:48] <larsu> the amount of effort we put into supporting that shitty compiler is ridiculous
[10:48] <desrt> ya.......
[10:49]  * desrt imagines glib as a gcc-only project
[10:49] <larsu> ya
[10:49] <larsu> would be nice
[10:49] <larsu> throw out a*a lot* of ifdefs
[10:49] <desrt> i sure do hate my ifdefs
[10:49] <desrt> thing is, now is a bad time to do that
[10:49] <desrt> since msvc is trying to be a good c compiler again these days
[10:51] <larsu> is it?
[10:51] <larsu> does it support any 99 yet?
[10:51] <desrt> C99 Conformance Visual Studio 2015 fully implements the C99 Standard Library, with the exception of any library features that depend on compiler features not yet supported by the Visual C++ compiler (for example, <tgmath.h> is not implemented).
[10:51] <desrt> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh409293.aspx
[10:51] <desrt> but in any case it seems like they realise that 15 years is long enough
[10:52] <desrt> and are trying to improve
[10:52] <desrt> they're also improving the usability of the standalone compiler
[10:52] <desrt> and hilariously, they now support linux targets
[10:53] <desrt> which is perhaps the least useful thing for them to do in the entire world
[10:54] <larsu> hehe indeed
[10:54] <desrt> visual studio itself is also now running on linux, which is slightly more interesting
[10:54] <larsu> wow seriouslz?
[10:54] <desrt> for a while now
[10:54] <desrt> http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-shocks-the-world-with-visual-studio-code-a-free-code-editor-for-os-x-linux-and-windows/#.49amq8d:6vbG
[10:55] <larsu> on wine? Or do they have a custom linux backend for their ui stuff?
[10:55] <desrt> maybe mono?  i have no idea
[10:55] <desrt> i care approximately 0 about the UI but the possibility of running the toolchain native is pretty nice
[10:55] <larsu> is visual studio written in .net?
[10:55] <larsu> indeed
[10:56] <desrt> anyway... i start to see light at the end of the tunnel with VC
[10:56] <desrt> for the first time in a long time
[10:56] <desrt> so it would be a particularly weird time to say that we ditch support now
[11:00] <didrocks> larsu: man, I made some announcement that even ubuntu make supports VSc on Ubuntu! :)
[11:00] <didrocks> desrt: larsu: it's a chrome-based project FWIW
[11:00] <desrt> interesting
[11:00] <didrocks> so not the real visual studio, but a browser atom-like style
[11:01] <desrt> ugh.  i'm starting to hate this text/plain empty file bug
[11:01] <desrt> mostly because nautilus is _not_ doing the right thing in another case either
[11:02] <desrt> desrt@humber:~$ cp /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3 foo.mp3
[11:02] <desrt> desrt@humber:~$ gvfs-info foo.mp3
[11:02] <desrt>   standard::content-type: audio/mpeg
[11:02] <desrt> what the hell
[11:02] <larsu> didrocks: woah I must have missed that
[11:02]  * desrt thinks she heard it from didrocks
[11:03] <larsu> desrt is solving problems again that don't exist in practice :)
[11:03] <desrt> i assumed that content type sniffing ... you know, worked
[11:03] <desrt> we're arguing about what an empty file is or is not based on this assumption
[11:03] <larsu> it doesn't in the general case...
[11:03] <didrocks> there is an extra layer fallbacking to extension?
[11:04] <larsu> not worth it
[11:04] <desrt> fml
[11:04] <larsu> and leads to printing doesn't work on Tuesdays
[11:04] <desrt> i hate tuesday
[11:04] <larsu> good thing its monday, then
[11:04] <desrt> so i signed up to the art gallery with a friend
[11:04] <larsu> Laney: it was a one liner. pushed. please test :)
[11:04] <desrt> we have a couples membership, in theory, but nobody knows that we don't live together
[11:04] <desrt> and can split the cost this way
[11:05] <desrt> her name is cătălina
[11:05] <desrt> her card arrived in the mail with chinese on it
[11:05] <larsu> welcome to the wonderful world of people not knowing what utf8 is
[11:05]  * desrt needs to figure out that one
[11:06]  * desrt needs to start by figuring out the codepoint of the character in question
[11:06] <didrocks> larsu: http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Ubuntu-Make-0.7-released-with-Visual-Studio-Code-support btw, there is a screenshot as well, you can see it's really far from real VS
[11:07] <larsu> didrocks: ah! I have seen this but thought it was some totally different program for web development which they just branded the same way
[11:07] <didrocks> well, it's more or less the case
[11:07] <didrocks> hence it's not Visual Studio
[11:07] <didrocks> but Visual Studio Code
[11:07] <larsu> right
[11:07] <didrocks> :)
[11:07] <larsu> does that include a c compiler/
[11:07] <larsu> >
[11:07] <larsu> ?
[11:08] <larsu> hitting keys: hard.
[11:08] <Laney> internets outage
[11:08]  * Laney demands compensation
[11:08] <Laney> it was like 8 minutes!!!
[11:08] <desrt> http://imgur.com/PTgMSsI
[11:08] <desrt> can anyone help identify this glyph?
[11:10] <larsu> Laney: what do you pay for your internet? 8 minutes outage at £30 a month is worth half a pence
[11:11] <larsu> Laney: (you got my ping though, right?)
[11:11] <Laney> Google runs the oxygen supply to my hermetically sealed office
[11:11] <Laney> 8 minutes is a long time to hold your breath
[11:11] <Laney> also the door fails closed for security, of course
[11:11] <desrt> i think your SLA doesn't cover this
[11:12] <Laney> well I jumped out of the window
[11:12] <larsu> phwe
[11:12] <larsu> phew
[11:12] <Laney> so now I only have two broken legs and not a death certificate
[11:13] <Laney> and a broken window
[11:13] <Laney> and a dead pet unicorn because that was the only thing available to smash the glass with
[11:13] <Laney> it was the last one on earth
[11:13] <Laney> ...
[11:13] <Laney> yes I got the ping
[11:21] <larsu> seb128: how do you reproduce bug #1303796? Works fine for me even after changing the scale factor lots of times
[11:26]  * Laney can't make it happen right now either
[11:34] <Laney> bah, gnome-desktop3 3.12 has breaks on the old one
[11:34]  * Laney can't install this nautilus
[11:34]  * Laney rebuilds
[11:38] <andyrock> morning
[11:43] <didrocks> and medium tests fully pass, yeah \o/
[11:43] <didrocks> Laney: available to give a hand if needed now
[11:43] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[11:44] <Laney> didrocks: still rebuilding here, probably going to be ok though
[11:44] <Laney> I can do a for pkg in *; rebuild $pkg; done easy enough :-)
[11:44] <didrocks> ;)
[11:45] <didrocks> well, seems seb told that helps was needed
[11:45] <didrocks> hence my proposal
[11:45] <Laney> would be if there were failures
[11:45] <Laney> but I didn't see any yet
[11:46] <Laney> larsu: this is looking good!
[11:47]  * Laney is irritated that a new "Empty file" has gone under the panel
[11:47] <Laney> not that this is new behaviour
[11:50] <didrocks> oh, how come? Unity is support to declare the right xprop for the space where we set icons in nautilus
[11:50] <didrocks> and it changes that size dynamically on launcher hide or always be present
[11:51] <Laney> bug :)
[11:51] <Laney> when I go down to ×1 it's not underneath it
[11:52] <didrocks> ahah, hidpi related, once more :p
[11:52] <Laney> pixels are hard
[11:53] <Laney> also doing 8 rebuilds in parallel with -j2 on each one has nailed my other machine
[11:53]  * Laney can't ssh in even
[11:53] <Laney> but I did them in ram of course, so don't really want to restart
[11:54] <didrocks> haha :)
[11:54]  * Laney types "uptime" and leaves to refill the tea
[11:56] <Laney> 38.11
[11:57] <Laney> [1888722.368391] Out of memory: Kill process 1714 (Xorg) score 2 or sacrifice child
[11:58] <ogra_> no child at hand ?
[12:00] <Laney> in the oven for lunch already
[12:00] <ogra_> ah, damned
[12:00] <didrocks> ;)
[12:56] <qengho> good morning
[12:57] <didrocks> hey qengho
[12:57] <larsu> morning qengho
[13:01] <seb128> larsu, I don't reproduce the hi scaling one, but the toggle a11y big text on/off still does it here
[13:01] <seb128> I assumed they were the same issue, but maybe they are not
[13:06] <larsu> seb128: ah thanks - I'll update the bug
[13:10] <Laney> right!
[13:10] <Laney> all things build, unless I missed summat
[13:11] <seb128> Laney, all being libgtop + e-d-s + gnome-desktop rdepends?
[13:11] <larsu> desrt: are you ok with the general concept of my patch to gnome bug #755421? (not sending replies if no_reply_expected is set)
[13:11] <larsu> desrt: I'm about to write a test for this, but don't want to waste time if this is not something we want
[13:12] <desrt> i think there is another bug about this
[13:12] <desrt> let me find it
[13:12] <larsu> couldn't find one
[13:12] <Laney> seb128: ya
[13:13] <desrt> i had some ideas about this at one point, at least
[13:13] <desrt> and i thought they made it into a bug
[13:13] <larsu> what were they?
[13:13] <larsu> can't think of many alternatives to my approach (other than to let applications do the check)
[13:14] <desrt> found it
[13:14] <desrt> and indeed, i want apps to be able to do the check
[13:15] <desrt> see comment 2 on bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741397
[13:16] <desrt> i want to fix this all at once
[13:16] <larsu> desrt: this is a different issue...
[13:16] <seb128> Laney, upload away! ;-)
[13:16] <Laney> seb128: doing, need to do evo first because stuff depends on that
[13:17] <Laney> also, what's up with obexd?
[13:17] <desrt> larsu: it intersects quite a lot
[13:17] <Laney> that is part of bluez now no?
[13:17] <seb128> Laney, evo I did on friday, what is still needed?
[13:17] <seb128> Laney, yeah, you can delete obexd
[13:17] <Laney> seb128: rebuild against gnome-desktop
[13:17] <desrt> because we can't clean up the refcounting mess on method invocations unless we know how optional replies are handled
[13:17] <seb128> oh, right
[13:17] <Laney> can *you* delete obexd?
[13:17] <Laney> :)
[13:17] <seb128> sure
[13:17] <Laney> nice
[13:17] <seb128> do you want me to do evo?
[13:17] <desrt> ie: right now, _return_value() can *never* be a no-op
[13:17] <Laney> no
[13:17] <Laney> just delete obexd if I don't need to rebuild it
[13:17] <Laney> then won't block stuff
[13:17] <seb128> k, I hope I did evo alright on friday
[13:18] <Laney> check for rdeps though, I didn't do that
[13:18] <seb128> I had to go and wanted to upload before the w.e to unblock things
[13:18] <Laney> it builds
[13:18] <Laney> I didn't run it
[13:18] <seb128> yeah, I just rush merged it
[13:18] <Laney> but I assume it is fine, you did it after all
[13:18] <Laney> :P
[13:18] <desrt> also: if we add this new is_reply_required() then we force the user into the new behaviour
[13:18] <seb128> lol
[13:18] <Laney> and you remembered to bzr push
[13:18] <seb128> :-)
[13:18] <larsu> desrt: tranfer full is pretty clear on how this should be handled. I agree that this is stupid, but please don't make me rework this whole thing for what is a simple issue right now
[13:18] <larsu> desrt: and it actually is an issue. Tons of log spam
[13:19] <Laney> 'k, evo is uploaded, /me preps the rest
[13:19] <larsu> just ask seb128 :D
[13:19] <Laney> + rebuilds unity/bamf
[13:19] <seb128> Laney, you're the man!
[13:19] <Laney> easy first day back task
[13:19] <Trevinho> Laney: about that... can you publish my silo (11)?
[13:19] <seb128> desrt, larsu is right, logs are spammed!
[13:20] <Laney> and I love transitions
[13:20] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[13:20] <Laney> ♥
[13:20] <Laney> Trevinho: ya, after this next rebuild
[13:20] <Laney> new gnome-desktop3 / libgtop soname in xenial
[13:20] <Trevinho> Laney: thanks
[13:20] <Laney> Trevinho: also, hey ;-)
[13:20] <Trevinho> Laney: so... should I trigger a reboot?
[13:20] <Laney> already doing
[13:20] <Trevinho> Laney: yes... Hey! :) /me feels not polite :P
[13:21] <seb128> Laney, want to look at passepartout, it fails to build with new gnomemm libs but the errors are too much c++ magic to me :p
[13:21] <desrt> larsu: what's the deal with the log-spam issue anyway?
[13:21] <seb128> I'm pondering just removing it from the release pocket, that's an year old deprecated project
[13:21] <desrt> because no-reply-expected is strictly advisory
[13:21] <seb128> no upstream anymore, the vcs/bugzilla even got removed it seems
[13:22] <Laney> bust it to proposed
[13:22] <Laney> what does it block?
[13:22] <larsu> desrt: glib automatically sets it when no callback is passed (rightly so), but services might reply anyway
[13:22] <seb128> Laney, gnomecanvasmm and 4-5 not-so-useful universe components
[13:22] <larsu> desrt: and if they do on the system bus, dbus-1 rejects those replies (and writes a log entry)
[13:22] <desrt> this "when no callback is specified" behaviour is relatively new, btw
[13:22] <larsu> desrt: because policy there is "no unsolicited messages", and dbus-1 doesn't track messages if no-reply-expected is given
[13:23] <desrt> ya.  i get that.
[13:23] <larsu> so it can't match the reply to a previous method call
[13:23] <desrt> but our current behaviour is correct and dbus daemon has a bug
[13:23] <larsu> no
[13:23] <desrt> yes.  dbus daemon is logging as an error something that is correct behaviour
[13:23] <Laney> seb128: oh right, it got a gcc5 rebuild
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, right
[13:24] <larsu> desrt: gdbus is doing unnecessary stuff, which is what this bug is aobut
[13:24] <Laney> yeah well, demote stuff to proposed if you want
[13:24] <larsu> I'm fine with filing a bug against dbus-1 as well
[13:24] <Laney> gnomecanvas is deprecated anyway
[13:24] <larsu> but realistically, it won't be fixed
[13:24] <desrt> i think we file a bug against the spec
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, right, going to demote passepartout then, thanks
[13:25] <seb128> and file the bug to debian
[13:25] <seb128> in case they care enough to fix it
[13:25] <larsu> desrt: why? make it forbidden to send replies that are not expected?
[13:25] <Laney> seb128: there's a demote-to-proposed tool in ubuntu-archive-tools in case you don't know
[13:26] <seb128> Laney, btw I plan to do a u-c-c landing today, that might count as a rebuild if you want to wait on that
[13:26] <seb128> Laney, I had forgotten, thanks for the reminder
[13:26] <seb128> Laney, also they are some rebuild-ready-to-land in silo like the addressbook
[13:26] <seb128> so we probably don't want to conflict with those
[13:27] <desrt> larsu: just wrote a comment on the bug explaining my position
[13:28] <desrt> ie: i can take your patch as-is, but only with a spec change accepted
[13:28] <desrt> otherwise, patch the daemon not to complain about unexpected replies.  they are harmless.
[13:29] <larsu> thanks
[13:29] <Laney> seb128: okay but only if there is 0 faff in uploading them, otherwise I will do a no change rebuild and they can force publish
[13:30] <Laney> don't care about losing changelog of a rebuild
[13:30] <seb128> right
[13:30] <seb128> well you might as well do the no change rebuilds
[13:30] <larsu> desrt: I agree that changing the spec is the better way to go, but then we'd need to change existing implementations as well...
[13:30] <seb128> no point blocking the transitions
[13:30] <Laney> indeed
[13:30] <larsu> desrt: or how is this usually handlked?
[13:31] <larsu> also, where do we file bugs against the spec? on the dbus product on freedesktop?
[13:31] <desrt> larsu: well, i get a bug from the guy who maintains a spec saying "your causing problems with your spec-compliant behaviour.  please change it."
[13:31] <desrt> so like, we're changing the implementations now anyway, by request of the spec author...
[13:31] <desrt> s/author/maintainer/
[13:31] <larsu> hm, indeed
[13:32] <desrt> also s/your/you're/ yick
[13:35]  * Sweet5hark did read backlog.
[13:36]  * Sweet5hark wants to do a sprint at count laneys mansion.
[13:38] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[13:38] <seb128> how a good w.e?
[13:40] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya. yeah, was a good weekend (needed one after the sprint and the hackfest over the last two weekends)
[13:40] <Laney> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-011-1-build/322/console
[13:40] <Laney> slow source package build?!?!?!
[13:40] <Laney> hey Sweet5hark
[13:41] <Sweet5hark> anyone knowing by chance when popey will be back?
[13:41] <Laney> seems it took 12 minutes last time
[13:43] <didrocks> suspicious
[14:08] <Laney> davmor2: do you have trusty on your xps by any chance?
[14:08] <Trevinho> andyrock: for your pleasure :P https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/switcher-dynamic-model/+merge/276391
[14:09] <davmor2> Laney: I do not, I have xenial on it
[14:09] <Laney> ok
[14:09] <davmor2> Laney: why?
[14:09] <Laney> want someone to check a fix
[14:09]  * Laney tries 4$
[14:09] <Laney> $4?
[14:10] <ogra_> is that like 8x 50ct ?
[14:10] <ogra_> super rap potential ?
[14:12] <davmor2> Laney: I could have 14.04.3 installed on it for tomorrow as a side by side I guess. But not today I'm going to be up and down to the car for the rest of the day testing bluez extended kernels
[14:12] <Laney> davmor2: nah I could boot a usb stick if necessary
[14:12] <davmor2> Laney: that I can do in an hour or so for you
[14:14] <seb128> Laney, are you testing you xenial?
[14:14] <Laney> you?
[14:14] <seb128> well if you are on it I'm happy to delete it from my list
[14:14] <seb128> I don't have an hidpi screen, I can test by doing hacks with gsettings key
[14:15] <Laney> oh yes
[14:15] <seb128> but I'm happy if I don't have to screw my session doing that
[14:15] <Laney> I am checking this
[14:15] <Laney> will upload X but want to check the backport works for 3.10 too
[14:15] <seb128> screwing my session because things get too big and go out of screen and then I need to resize/move things back where they should be
[14:15] <seb128> yeah, makes sense
[14:15] <Laney> join the hidpi club with your refresh man
[14:17] <davmor2> seb128: I'm running xenial on xps13 I will be using it as my daily device fairly soon, just porting over settings and data etc and would still like to make it work with my main monitor
[14:19] <seb128> davmor2, what's the issue with your monitor?
[14:20] <davmor2> seb128: not the monitor it is getting the right connector the xps13 uses mini display port and most are setup for lightning/apple products
[14:20] <davmor2> seb128: or are lightning compatible and those don't seem to be recognised but the xps/ubuntu
[14:43]  * seb128 shrug at run-autopkgtest
[14:43] <seb128> "--trigger                       SOURCE/VERSION"
[14:44] <seb128> is that new? it's not mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure and not very self explanary
[14:44] <seb128> how is source different from "package"?
[14:44] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[14:44] <seb128> which is the next argument
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, ^
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, hey
[14:44] <didrocks> good morning pitti! Hope you had a nice flight :)
[14:44] <Laney> you can leave that out no?
[14:44] <Laney> hey pitti
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, had a good flight? how is your jetlag
[14:45] <pitti> seb128: ah, sorry; you now need to specify which package is the reason why you re-run the test, i. e. the excuse in britney
[14:45] <seb128> Laney, doesn't seem so no
[14:45] <pitti> seb128: flight was okay, thanks; had a really nice Sunday
[14:45] <Laney> interesting
[14:45] <Laney> must be new then
[14:45] <pitti> (Rick giving a presentation, bbl)
[14:45] <seb128> pitti, excuse in britney?
[14:45] <pitti> yeah, it's reasonably new
[14:45] <seb128> "test fail and seems to be flacky and I want to retry"
[14:45] <pitti> seb128: e. g. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#nautilus
[14:45] <seb128> is my reason
[14:46] <pitti> seb128: so nautilus/1:3.14.2-0ubuntu13 is the --trigger, and e. g. deja-dup is the test
[14:46] <Trevinho> larsu: hey, about that border radius stuff, have you got some time to look at it? I've been debugging a little, but not able to figure out how to export that globally. As the unity side is ready since sprint, but we need gtk support.
[14:46] <pitti> seb128: (will explain later about the reason)
[14:46] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[14:47] <pitti> seb128: you cna see in the ADT_TEST_TRIGGER value in the (failed) test log
[14:48] <pitti> seb128, Laney: the reason is that britney needs to be able to associate a test result for a particular -proposed package and version, to avoid accidentally attributing an earlier run to a new -proposed package
[14:48] <pitti> seb128, Laney: and moreover, with bug 1503150 the test will actually behave different depending on the trigger
[14:50] <larsu> Trevinho: oh, I thought you had a branch for that somewhere?
[14:50] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks
[14:51] <Trevinho> larsu: no, I did the unity side, but then on gtk I couldn't find the culprit...
[14:52] <larsu> Trevinho: ok, I'll have a look tomorrow (got some other stuff on my plate now). Where's your unity branch?
[14:52] <Laney> pitti: Ah right - I thought you were going to compute the transactions after the update_output stage (but maybe I just made that up in my head)
[14:52] <seb128> larsu, I backported your gtk fix (with the revert of the unwanted change), should our gnome-screenshot patch be dropped then?
[14:52] <seb128> or are both right/needed
[14:52] <Trevinho> larsu: mh, not a branch yet (i've a shelve :P)...
[14:53] <larsu> seb128: yes please. Thanks!
[14:53] <Trevinho> larsu: I can push it, I didn't push as I was waiting the final ATOM name, which now I have... So I'll push it shortly
[14:53] <larsu> Trevinho: ah I guess I was waiting for that ;)
[14:54] <Laney> seb128: oh you are doing this one too?
[14:54] <Trevinho> larsu: ok, let me push it
[14:55] <seb128> Laney, I did gtk, was just wondering about gnome-screenshot
[14:55] <larsu> thanks
[14:55] <seb128> I can do
[14:55] <Laney> ok
[14:55] <Laney> I just thought that I was handling it
[14:55] <Laney> but oh well
[14:56] <seb128> Laney, if you want please do
[14:56] <seb128> you can test
[14:56] <seb128> which I can't
[14:56] <seb128> sorry I didn't know you were on it
[14:56] <seb128> I did gtk because I was already backporting a segfault fix
[14:56] <seb128> so I cherrypicked what I saw in the recent commits
[14:57] <Laney> did anyone work on or test 3.18?
[14:57] <Laney> by the way
[14:57] <seb128> I didn't
[14:58] <seb128> I've been focussing on doing merges and trying to get the current proposed-migrations cleaned
[14:58] <seb128> I can do that this week though
[15:01]  * Laney shrugs
[15:01] <Laney> I could as well update once we get a mir backend patch
[15:01] <Laney> then everyone will test it
[15:02] <seb128> let me install it and see how it works for me ;-)
[15:04] <Laney> filechoosers look weird
[15:04] <Laney> but nothing to block the update that I saw
[15:05] <seb128> we should probably open bugs with gtk318 tag for things that look weird
[15:07] <seb128> session restart, brb
[15:08]  * qengho afk a bit
[15:08] <seb128> ok, session starts fine ;-)
[15:08] <seb128> nautilus sidebar looks weird, the left margin is missing
[15:08] <Laney> yeah same as the chooser
[15:08] <Trevinho> larsu: live at lp:~3v1n0/unity/gtk-border-radius-support/
[15:08] <seb128> same than the fs
[15:09] <Trevinho> larsu: some numbers are still hardcoded, but mostly it's fine
[15:09] <larsu> cool, thanks
[15:10] <seb128> Laney, things open with a black color first which looks weird, did you notice that as well?
[15:10] <Laney> nope
[15:10] <seb128> I see it opening a fileselector
[15:11] <seb128> but like if I start something slow like software-center the windows is black while loading
[15:11] <Laney> I just get the window
[15:11] <seb128> hum, k
[15:11] <seb128> I wonder if something is wrong with my laptop
[15:11] <seb128> let me reboot
[15:11] <Laney> well I have ss
[15:11] <Laney> d
[15:11] <Laney> so things are generally fast
[15:12] <attente> Laney: hey, sorry, i'm going to refresh the mir backend today
[15:14] <Laney> hey attente
[15:14] <Laney> thanks!
[15:14] <pitti> Laney, seb128: FWIW, just did a mass-retry of all current regressions, I hope that some of the uninstallability fixed it self
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, oh ok, thanks
[15:14] <seb128> Laney, k,  works after a reboot, was probably something with intel/x
[15:14] <seb128> urg, in fact not
[15:15] <seb128> still does it for file-selector in gedit
[15:15] <seb128> not when starting s-c now though
[15:15] <Laney> what did it do before?
[15:15] <seb128> unsure, I guess the bg was standard grey
[15:15] <seb128> let me ld_preload old gtk
[15:21] <seb128> Laney, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtk.ogv
[15:21] <seb128> that's opening the f-s a bunch of time with gtk 3.18 then 3.16
[15:22] <Laney> you mean that it flashes black for an instant?
[15:22] <seb128> yes
[15:22] <seb128> it's visible on the screencast
[15:23] <seb128> well the bg is black before having the content painted
[15:23] <Laney> yes was just asking if that's what you were trying to report
[15:23] <seb128> yes
[15:23] <seb128> sorry it's not easy to describe
[15:37] <seb128> hey there?
[15:37] <lan3y> HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO???????????????????
[15:37] <seb128> lan3y, hey
[15:37] <lan3y> got disconnected
[15:37] <lan3y> can't /nick back to the normal one
[15:38] <seb128> :-(
[15:38] <lan3y> 02/11 15:27:33 <Laney> ok I do actually see that really quickly on file selectors
[15:38] <lan3y> 02/11 15:27:41 <Laney> hard to notice but you can see it if you look
[15:38] <lan3y> 02/11 15:27:45 <Laney> worth a gtk318 bug
[15:38] <seb128> I didn't see those messages
[15:38] <davmor2> lan3y: fail
[15:38] <seb128> but yeah
[15:38] <seb128> well it's not there of long but it's visually distracting
[15:39] <seb128> let me see if anyone reported that upstream maybe
[15:39] <lan3y> Trevinho: your bamf packaging changes are weird
[15:39] <lan3y> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-011-2-publish/91/artifact/bamf_packaging_changes.diff
[15:39] <lan3y> don't know what that install file syntax is?
[15:41] <seb128> lan3y, just dumping for info, but a bunch of autosynced gstreamer packages are waiting on 1.6.1 base to be merged (no hurry, just mentioning it in case you didn't have in your todo yet and want to add it)
[15:41] <lan3y> yeah, it's there, thanks!
[15:41]  * lan3y is about to upload the world
[15:42] <lan3y> then go for a distressingly late lunch
[15:42] <seb128> lan3y, enjoy lunch!
[15:43] <seb128> lan3y, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748498 seems similar to the issue I'm seeing
[15:43] <seb128> well at least the most recent comment
[15:43] <seb128> which seems different from the original description
[15:44] <lan3y> nod
[15:45] <lan3y> worth a look
[15:46] <pitti> oh, an 13117 lan3y t0d4y !
[15:47] <lan3y> oops I accidentally uploaded bamf again :P
[15:47] <seb128> lol
[15:47] <seb128> those slippery fingers!
[15:47] <lan3y> good job after my comments
[15:47]  * lan3y h4x0r5 p1tt1
[15:48] <didrocks> nice linux version of netbeans contains .exe
[15:48] <lan3y> 02/11 15:48:06 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- laney has been released.
[15:48] <Laney> w00t!
[15:48] <didrocks> and both 32 and 64, in case youneed them ;)
[15:49] <Laney> ok going to eat some eats
[15:49] <Laney> back to cry at build failures soon
[15:49] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[15:50] <didrocks> enjoy Laney
[15:52]  * qengho back
[16:07] <xclaesse> seb128, Hi, is ubuntu 15.10 going to get upcoming glib stable releases, or is the policy to only pick selected patches?
[16:07] <seb128> xclaesse, we do stable updates
[16:07] <seb128> but we can also backport a specific patch before the next tarball if there is an important issue
[16:08] <seb128> sorry I was about to go, need to pick up somebody, back in ~30min
[16:08] <xclaesse> I just pushed 2 patches upstream in 2.46 (and master), just doc fix for debian packaging, it has been annoying me for years, would be great to get them: ab7b4be and 59bfb6b
[16:50] <Laney> xclaesse: yeah we'll get them from the stable
[16:50] <Laney> release
[16:50] <xclaesse> Laney, ok thanks. I guess it can wait for that then
[16:51] <Laney> xclaesse: seems to be next week, I guess that's ok?
[16:51] <xclaesse> sure it can wait, np
[16:52] <Laney> nice
[16:59] <seb128> Laney, how much are the buildds hating you? ;-)
[16:59] <Laney> just got one which I retried and worked
[17:00] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~laney/+uploaded-packages
[17:00] <Laney> sflphone already failed before
[17:12] <seb128> Laney, your devhelp upload, you forget the -dev depends on libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev
[17:12] <seb128> should be moved back to 3.0-dev
[17:13] <Laney>  devhelp (3.18.1-1ubuntu4) xenial; urgency=medium
[17:13] <Laney>  .
[17:13] <Laney>    * Fix the -dev package dependency too.
[17:13] <seb128> ok, I'm lagging behind compared to you today ;-)
[17:13] <seb128> why isn't that one on xenial-changes?
[17:13] <Laney> didn't upload it yet
[17:14] <Laney> just chillaxing in tab #3 in this terminal
[17:14] <seb128> oh ok
[17:14] <seb128> that explains :p
[17:22] <didrocks> and docker image pushed, with that, time to end the day!
[17:22] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys
[17:22] <Laney> this guy
[17:22] <Laney> no time to reply to his goodbye
[17:30] <Laney> scissor sisters time
[17:32] <sarnold> nine seconds isn't enough? :)
[17:32] <Sweet5hark> https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.fefe.de%2F%3Fts%3Da8c95274 <- Fefe vs. Linus. flame on!
[17:51]  * Laney gives moar hamsters to arm64
[18:09] <Laney> oh well, will check on it tomorrow
[18:09] <Laney> maybe Trevinho will have replied/fixed bamf by then! :)
[18:09] <Laney> laters potaters
[18:09] <Trevinho> Laney: ah, I missed that
[18:10] <Trevinho> Laney: I'm going to check it once I'm done with my unity work
[18:10] <Laney> commented on the landing
[18:11] <Laney> will look again first thing tomorrow, or you can get someone else to before then
[18:11] <Laney> night!
[18:13] <seb128> Laney, night
[18:13] <pitti> it's so weird seeing you guys say good night :)
[18:13] <seb128> lol
[18:14] <seb128> it's weird to see you saying good morning :p
[18:14] <sarnold> seeing pitti say "goodmorning" is my cue that I've been working too long :)
[18:17] <mdeslaur> hah, me too :)
[20:34] <jono> hey all
[20:34] <jono> is the LXC Unity 8 still being maintained?
[20:34] <jono> it won't start on 15.10
[20:34] <jono> I select it in LightDM and it just hangs
[22:05] <qengho> Zzz