[06:06] hello [06:54] good morning [08:06] good morning desktopers [08:07] hey seb128 [08:07] re didrocks ;-) [08:28] good morning! [08:34] hey larsu, wie gehts? had a good w.e? [08:36] hey larsu! Back from Italy? [08:36] morning === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [08:37] seb128: yes! Warm and sunny Milan was nice :) [08:37] didrocks: indeed. Came back late last night [08:37] hi Trevinho [08:37] how are all of you? Enjoyed the weekend? [08:37] hikiko__: lars [08:37] didrocks: feling better finally? [08:37] hi larsu * [08:37] Trevinho: wow, tab complete on the wrong word? :P [08:38] :D [08:38] * Trevinho has not the head connected yet [08:39] hey Trevinho, how are you? [08:39] hi seb128, well still in the limbo... Trying to fight against myself :P [08:40] seb128: you? [08:40] larsu, w.e was nice, good party on saturday, easy day yesterday and enjoyed the nicer weather [08:40] Trevinho, I'm good thanks! [08:40] Trevinho, are you still with andyrock? [08:40] seb128: nope, I come back on sat [08:40] did you guys have fun for halloween [08:40] oh, ok [08:40] I should have stayed till tue, but I got some things to do [08:40] k [08:41] Well, yes.... But Stockholm, really? That city doesn't want to get fun [08:41] Not sure it deserves cool people like us :P [08:41] lol [08:41] probably not ;-) [08:41] go to Berlin next time! [08:42] Yeah, I want to go there... I've been there some years ago but I indeed need to stay there a little more [08:42] * Trevinho needs more friends (for travelling with) who can work remotely :P === hikiko__ is now known as hikiko [08:43] hi all again :) [08:43] Trevinho, did you ping me? [08:44] hikiko: no, sorry... It was a mistake [08:44] or that was a hi+tab? lol [08:44] I wanted to auto-complete Hi :P [08:44] morning hikiko [08:44] larsu: was sick during the entire week-end, so didn't really enjoy it [08:44] morning larsu Trevinho didrocks and all [08:44] larsu: finally better today [08:44] hey hikiko, Trevinho [08:44] didrocks: :( [08:44] didrocks: at least it is getting beter [08:44] *better [08:45] larsu: yeah, still sneezing a little bit, but nothing compared to last days [08:46] EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. -> let's ship it! :) [08:47] hi didrocks [09:03] comrades! [09:03] buddies! [09:04] friends! [09:04] pals! [09:05] morning Laney! [09:05] how was the rest of your vacation? [09:06] hi Laney [09:08] hey Laney, welcome back! had good holidays? [09:09] hey Laney, Sprechen Sie Deutsch? [09:10] NEIN [09:10] hi larsu hikiko seb128 didrocks [09:10] did everything break? [09:11] larsu: good, nice altstadt there and lots of posh/green houses [09:11] http://www.rolfdisch.de/index.php?p=home&pid=78&L=1#a566 this rotating solar house was round the corner from us [09:12] seb128: very nice thanks! [09:12] fun to go around by train [09:12] and we had a cool host in berlin ;-) [09:14] super misty today === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [09:21] Laney: glad you liked it :) [09:22] larsu: did you get some tourism done? [09:22] or caféism [09:22] or somethingism [09:24] hey seb128 Laney didrocks larsu [09:26] good evening darkxst [09:26] hey darkxst [09:27] bah [09:27] looks like somebody let the gnome-desktop binaries out of the new queue [09:28] we have cheese gnome-desktop poppler e-d-s libgtop transitions stacked in xenial now :-/ [09:28] didrocks, Laney (others with upload rights) any chance you would help with those this week? [09:30] seb128, I will do what i can to help, but not tonight, broken from 3 days of climbing [09:30] darkxst, ok, thanks [09:31] yep [09:31] I am just making a tracker for eds actually [09:31] * Laney did a look at what is broken [09:31] seems people were keen on starting the transitions [09:31] instead of serialising them [09:32] seb128: can do, finishing up some medium tests work first, because umake is still my priority, but then, should be good (this afternoon, I guess) [09:32] don't bother, I will do a wave first [09:32] otherwise we might clash [09:33] Laney: I'll poke here once I can focus on this anyway, and you will tell me if you need any hand :) [09:33] hi darkxst [09:33] hey darkxst [09:33] didrocks, thanks [09:33] 3 days, impressive [09:33] Laney: we did walk around the city quite a lot and went shopping (it is Milan after all) and looking at old buildings and walking along canals [09:33] Laney: and drank a lot of espresso. Tasty [09:34] nice [09:34] did you speak any italian? [09:34] I moved mu hands some [09:34] Laney, do you start your wave now or do you still do catchup first? (just to not conflict, going to do some rebuilds now) [09:34] prego! [09:34] k :-) [09:34] * Laney is doing some [09:34] ;) [09:34] well, making trackers first [09:34] easy thing to get started back on [09:35] we have one for poppler [09:35] cheese is done so no need for it [09:35] it just got tangled with e-d-s through gnome-contacts [09:35] libgtop and e-d-s we could use trackers for [09:35] gnome-desktop as well I guess [09:36] I'm on it, no worries [09:36] do we have documentation on how to set up a transition tracker? [09:36] for next time [09:36] thanks [09:36] lp:~ubuntu-transition-trackers/ubuntu-transition-tracker/configs [09:37] & http://ben.debian.net/ [09:37] Laney, http://imgur.com/eUVb7F6 ;) [09:37] Laney, danke [09:38] seb128, did valac get MIR'ed? [09:38] no need for that [09:38] darkxst, I promoted it, no need of MIR it's basically a new version of a package that was already in main [09:38] Laney, g-c-c won't build without it [09:38] I retried g-c-c [09:38] which built fine [09:38] ok cool [09:39] did that for some others as well like shotwell [09:39] but the cheese transition didn't get it because gnome-contacts picked up e-d-s [09:39] we could probably build gnome-contacts without cheese to let the other ones migrate [09:39] then enable the option back [09:39] vala source is in universe though [09:39] the horror [09:39] but that set is small enough that it's probably not useful [09:40] Laney, I guess I can fix that ;-) [09:40] g-c-c can drop to universe, if u-c-c takes the shared-data package? [09:41] darkxst, I guess it can, I'm going to have a look now to that shared-data thing [09:41] seb128, pretty sure I cleaned up everything else last cycle, that was keeping it in main [09:41] Trevinho, you have a bamf landing coming? [09:42] darkxst, great, thanks [09:42] Trevinho, we need a rebuild with the new libgtop soname [09:45] Ran 56 tests in 931.705s [09:45] phew, system medium tests -> OK \O/ [09:45] (well, need to commit this in logical order now) [09:45] and next release as it's a system package test [09:46] * didrocks tries the same in jenkins with the patched system package to reconfirm [09:51] upgrade FAIL in python-pexpect from some PPA [09:52] wait [09:52] 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages [09:52] * Laney stares [09:53] but there is no pexpect package there [09:54] Laney, there was one from didrocks I think but he deleted it [09:54] right [09:54] or maybe it was in the umake ppa, or I'm confusing things [09:54] dunno why I got it then [09:54] unless it was super recent [09:54] I don't think it was [09:54] Deleted on 2015-10-19 [09:55] yeah [09:55] * Laney asked #lp [09:55] wrong dput :p [09:56] but it's old, indeed [09:59] good morning eŭroanoj [10:00] greetings desrt [10:00] how's it going? [10:00] morning desrt [10:01] * Laney xenialifies [10:02] hi larsu, didrocks, Laney [10:02] it's going well [10:02] except that my biological clock seems to be floating somewhere in the middle of the atlantic right now [10:03] desrt: you were flying too fast and didn't let it catch you ;) [10:03] it will eventually catch up :p [10:03] hey desrt [10:03] morning seb [10:04] are you on the left side now? [10:04] morning desrt - how's home? [10:05] Laney, darkxst, I'm pondering deleting the new gnome-desktop from xenial-proposed to make other transitions easier to go through, then we could reupload ... wdyt? [10:05] gimme a bit to get a handle on it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [10:06] larsu: just feeling the (not totally bad) effects of jetlag [10:06] i blame the additional timechange :) [10:06] Laney, ok, issue is that if we start rebuilds for e-d-s/libgtop we might pick more things and gnome-desktop gets harder to delete then [10:07] desrt: hehe, was wondering why you're already awake [10:08] seb128: do you know of any failures? [10:10] Laney, for gnome-desktop? only unity was failing for unrelated things [10:10] any of them really [10:10] Laney, no, I'm just concerned that we try to batch too much and realize it's getting complicated [10:10] I think that was fixed though? [10:11] Trevinho, maybe? [10:12] there seems to be https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011 [10:14] that built before gnome-desktop was NEWed though [10:14] so if we keep gnome-desktop we need to rebuild that silo [10:14] no change rebuilding is trivial [10:14] fixing the real failure presumably less so, so good it is done :) [10:14] right [10:14] well that was not my point [10:15] my point is that we might hit 3 hard ones to fix in the rdepends list [10:15] and then we might regreat to not have decoupled the transitions [10:15] but it might also be fine [10:15] I just prefer to play safe [10:15] right, I know about transitions :P [10:15] * Laney is trying rebuilds [10:20] * Laney loves parallel.moreutils [10:30] larsu: should I check out that nautilus branch now? [10:32] Laney: seb128 found another bug on Friday that I'm looking into right now (folders are the wrong size after changing scale factor) [10:32] okay, lemme know when [10:32] should be a one liner, but it's hard to find where to put the one line :/ [10:33] noticed notify-osd gets messed up too after fiddling with the factor ;-) [10:33] still? I thought we fixed that last cycle? [10:34] that's there for ever [10:34] it gets the initial one [10:34] but now after changing it a few times I have big notifications [10:34] bug #? [10:35] bug #1020510 [10:35] bug 1020510 in unity (Ubuntu) "Change of text size in System Settings>Universal Access is not reflected instantly in the bubbles" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020510 [10:35] is the same I guess [10:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1303796 [10:35] Launchpad bug 1303796 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) "Display scaling is not applied runtime" [High,Confirmed] [10:35] probably [10:35] Laney: unity figures you can't see right (since you're playing with dpi all the time) and just leaves it big. It's a feature [10:35] bug #1303796 [10:35] too slow old man! [10:36] lol [10:36] fwiw there is a crasher in nautilus 3.18.1, been getting lots of reports of, but no proper trace yet [10:36] darkxst, k, is that upstream? or from the gnome3 ppa? where do you get the reports? [10:37] seb128, from gnome3-ppa (but we have most ubuntu patches dropped there), https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1512163 [10:37] Error: launchpad bug 1512163 not found [10:37] ubot5: because it's private! [10:37] larsu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:37] ubot5: clearly... [10:37] k [10:38] seb128, I have a retracer running, but it was down over the weekend [10:38] haha now ubot5 queried me :) [10:38] lol [10:41] * Laney books a chimney sweep [10:41] * Laney is victorian [10:42] you have a chimney? [10:42] haha, he's got his kid to do the answerphone message [10:42] cute [10:43] yeah ... 3 I think [10:43] we have like 5 fireplaces [10:43] this is an old house [10:43] (only use one of them though) [10:44] wow [10:44] Laney lives in a castle! [10:44] just an ancient house [10:45] aka a castle [10:45] it looks victorian outside too, can't see over the road [10:45] pics! [10:45] at least this is fog and not smog... [10:45] ...hopefully... [10:47] going for lunch, bbl [10:47] enjoy, seb! [10:47] thanks [10:47] enjoy! [10:47] * desrt notes that she can't seem to do anything to glib anymore without breaking something [10:48] too many compilers and pseduo-compilers [10:48] pseudo compilers? [10:48] things like gtk-doc and introspection scanners [10:48] ah :( [10:48] and msvc :P [10:48] that routinely get thrown for a loop by fancy new stuff we do in headers [10:48] the amount of effort we put into supporting that shitty compiler is ridiculous [10:48] ya....... [10:49] * desrt imagines glib as a gcc-only project [10:49] ya [10:49] would be nice [10:49] throw out a*a lot* of ifdefs [10:49] i sure do hate my ifdefs [10:49] thing is, now is a bad time to do that [10:49] since msvc is trying to be a good c compiler again these days [10:51] is it? [10:51] does it support any 99 yet? [10:51] C99 Conformance Visual Studio 2015 fully implements the C99 Standard Library, with the exception of any library features that depend on compiler features not yet supported by the Visual C++ compiler (for example, is not implemented). [10:51] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh409293.aspx [10:51] but in any case it seems like they realise that 15 years is long enough [10:52] and are trying to improve [10:52] they're also improving the usability of the standalone compiler [10:52] and hilariously, they now support linux targets [10:53] which is perhaps the least useful thing for them to do in the entire world [10:54] hehe indeed [10:54] visual studio itself is also now running on linux, which is slightly more interesting [10:54] wow seriouslz? [10:54] for a while now [10:54] http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-shocks-the-world-with-visual-studio-code-a-free-code-editor-for-os-x-linux-and-windows/#.49amq8d:6vbG [10:55] on wine? Or do they have a custom linux backend for their ui stuff? [10:55] maybe mono? i have no idea [10:55] i care approximately 0 about the UI but the possibility of running the toolchain native is pretty nice [10:55] is visual studio written in .net? [10:55] indeed [10:56] anyway... i start to see light at the end of the tunnel with VC [10:56] for the first time in a long time [10:56] so it would be a particularly weird time to say that we ditch support now [11:00] larsu: man, I made some announcement that even ubuntu make supports VSc on Ubuntu! :) [11:00] desrt: larsu: it's a chrome-based project FWIW [11:00] interesting [11:00] so not the real visual studio, but a browser atom-like style [11:01] ugh. i'm starting to hate this text/plain empty file bug [11:01] mostly because nautilus is _not_ doing the right thing in another case either [11:02] desrt@humber:~$ cp /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3 foo.mp3 [11:02] desrt@humber:~$ gvfs-info foo.mp3 [11:02] standard::content-type: audio/mpeg [11:02] what the hell [11:02] didrocks: woah I must have missed that [11:02] * desrt thinks she heard it from didrocks [11:03] desrt is solving problems again that don't exist in practice :) [11:03] i assumed that content type sniffing ... you know, worked [11:03] we're arguing about what an empty file is or is not based on this assumption [11:03] it doesn't in the general case... [11:03] there is an extra layer fallbacking to extension? [11:04] not worth it [11:04] fml [11:04] and leads to printing doesn't work on Tuesdays [11:04] i hate tuesday [11:04] good thing its monday, then [11:04] so i signed up to the art gallery with a friend [11:04] Laney: it was a one liner. pushed. please test :) [11:04] we have a couples membership, in theory, but nobody knows that we don't live together [11:04] and can split the cost this way [11:05] her name is cătălina [11:05] her card arrived in the mail with chinese on it [11:05] welcome to the wonderful world of people not knowing what utf8 is [11:05] * desrt needs to figure out that one [11:06] * desrt needs to start by figuring out the codepoint of the character in question [11:06] larsu: http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Ubuntu-Make-0.7-released-with-Visual-Studio-Code-support btw, there is a screenshot as well, you can see it's really far from real VS [11:07] didrocks: ah! I have seen this but thought it was some totally different program for web development which they just branded the same way [11:07] well, it's more or less the case [11:07] hence it's not Visual Studio [11:07] but Visual Studio Code [11:07] right [11:07] :) [11:07] does that include a c compiler/ [11:07] > [11:07] ? [11:08] hitting keys: hard. [11:08] internets outage [11:08] * Laney demands compensation [11:08] it was like 8 minutes!!! [11:08] http://imgur.com/PTgMSsI [11:08] can anyone help identify this glyph? [11:10] Laney: what do you pay for your internet? 8 minutes outage at £30 a month is worth half a pence [11:11] Laney: (you got my ping though, right?) [11:11] Google runs the oxygen supply to my hermetically sealed office [11:11] 8 minutes is a long time to hold your breath [11:11] also the door fails closed for security, of course [11:11] i think your SLA doesn't cover this [11:12] well I jumped out of the window [11:12] phwe [11:12] phew [11:12] so now I only have two broken legs and not a death certificate [11:13] and a broken window [11:13] and a dead pet unicorn because that was the only thing available to smash the glass with [11:13] it was the last one on earth [11:13] ... [11:13] yes I got the ping [11:21] seb128: how do you reproduce bug #1303796? Works fine for me even after changing the scale factor lots of times [11:21] bug 1303796 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) "Display scaling is not applied runtime" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303796 [11:26] * Laney can't make it happen right now either [11:34] bah, gnome-desktop3 3.12 has breaks on the old one [11:34] * Laney can't install this nautilus [11:34] * Laney rebuilds [11:38] morning [11:43] and medium tests fully pass, yeah \o/ [11:43] Laney: available to give a hand if needed now [11:43] hey andyrock [11:44] didrocks: still rebuilding here, probably going to be ok though [11:44] I can do a for pkg in *; rebuild $pkg; done easy enough :-) [11:44] ;) [11:45] well, seems seb told that helps was needed [11:45] hence my proposal [11:45] would be if there were failures [11:45] but I didn't see any yet [11:46] larsu: this is looking good! [11:47] * Laney is irritated that a new "Empty file" has gone under the panel [11:47] not that this is new behaviour [11:50] oh, how come? Unity is support to declare the right xprop for the space where we set icons in nautilus [11:50] and it changes that size dynamically on launcher hide or always be present [11:51] bug :) [11:51] when I go down to ×1 it's not underneath it [11:52] ahah, hidpi related, once more :p [11:52] pixels are hard [11:53] also doing 8 rebuilds in parallel with -j2 on each one has nailed my other machine [11:53] * Laney can't ssh in even [11:53] but I did them in ram of course, so don't really want to restart [11:54] haha :) [11:54] * Laney types "uptime" and leaves to refill the tea [11:56] 38.11 [11:57] [1888722.368391] Out of memory: Kill process 1714 (Xorg) score 2 or sacrifice child [11:58] no child at hand ? [12:00] in the oven for lunch already [12:00] ah, damned [12:00] ;) === balloons is now known as Guest4533 === Guest4533 is now known as ballons_ === ballons_ is now known as balloons_ === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [12:56] good morning [12:57] hey qengho [12:57] morning qengho [13:01] larsu, I don't reproduce the hi scaling one, but the toggle a11y big text on/off still does it here [13:01] I assumed they were the same issue, but maybe they are not [13:06] seb128: ah thanks - I'll update the bug [13:10] right! [13:10] all things build, unless I missed summat [13:11] Laney, all being libgtop + e-d-s + gnome-desktop rdepends? [13:11] desrt: are you ok with the general concept of my patch to gnome bug #755421? (not sending replies if no_reply_expected is set) [13:11] Gnome bug 755421 in gdbus "GDBus ignores NO_REPLY_EXPECTED flag in messages, leading to warnings on system bus" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755421 [13:11] desrt: I'm about to write a test for this, but don't want to waste time if this is not something we want [13:12] i think there is another bug about this [13:12] let me find it [13:12] couldn't find one [13:12] seb128: ya [13:13] i had some ideas about this at one point, at least [13:13] and i thought they made it into a bug [13:13] what were they? [13:13] can't think of many alternatives to my approach (other than to let applications do the check) [13:14] found it [13:14] and indeed, i want apps to be able to do the check [13:15] see comment 2 on bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741397 [13:15] Gnome bug 741397 in gdbus "g_dbus_method_invocation_return_value() twice for the same GDBusMethodInvocation explodes randomly" [Normal,New] [13:16] i want to fix this all at once [13:16] desrt: this is a different issue... [13:16] Laney, upload away! ;-) [13:16] seb128: doing, need to do evo first because stuff depends on that [13:17] also, what's up with obexd? [13:17] larsu: it intersects quite a lot [13:17]