[00:53] <user___> asdf
[00:53] <user___> testing
[00:54] <daftykins> don't do that here.
[00:54] <user___> oh no, I ruined the discussion
[00:54] <daftykins> use #test in future :)
[00:54] <user___> ok, that was actually helpful. thanks
[00:55] <daftykins> assholes.
[01:33] <TJ-> daftykins: I saw you had a question for me at 22:10 on Friday evening I think it was :)
[01:52] <daftykins> TJ-: ah yes, i'm on the wrong PC today though for the logs - but there was a guy with a 15.10 install on a modern MSI gaming spec laptop that i couldn't get optimus working with (as in nvidia-prime)
[01:54] <TJ-> I recall a few months ago we discovered that nvidia-prime would not work with MUX-less Optimus chipsets; not sure if that is still the case or not
[01:54] <TJ-> I believe at that time at least it was noted in the -prime README or release notes
[01:56] <TJ-> There's a /usr/bin/prime-supported that generates /var/log/prime-supported.log, which may be useful in such cases
[01:56] <daftykins> ooh nifty, the guy just got a blank screen i think
[01:57] <TJ-> That whole Optimus MUX-less seems stupid if the driver won't/can't support it
[01:57] <daftykins> i'd have to be on that old laptop to dig up the logs sadly, but i noticed interesting lines in the Xorg log which seemed to refer to each GPU being detected and somehow referring to VT7 and VT8 for each
[01:58] <TJ-> I wonder if it also depends on which version of the main nvida driver is in use as to whether MUX-less support is enabled
[01:58] <daftykins> i was aiming for 352 there
[01:59] <daftykins> guy had a GTX 970M
[01:59] <daftykins> minimum for that is 346 i believe
[01:59] <TJ-> I think I'm limited to 340
[02:01] <daftykins> i got bored and priced up a skylake build :) top end i7, motherboard, 32GB RAM, case... £500
[02:02] <TJ-> will it fit in a laptop?
[02:03] <daftykins> hahaha
[02:03] <daftykins> i'd still eye up a Dell XPS 13 9350 for the mobile portion :)
[02:03] <TJ-> I've not found anything recently as flexible as these Dell XPS M1530s I use; the number of full PCIe ports, expresscard, cellular, etc
[02:09] <TJ-> Eeeek! pies in the oven! *runs*
[02:10] <daftykins> D:
[02:19] <TJ-> Just right! That's the last of 4kg of patry turned into pies :)
[02:20] <daftykins> O_O that's a lorra pie
[02:20] <cfhowlett> TJ-, will send you my address via pm.  haven't had  decent pie in way too long ...
[02:20] <TJ-> yeah, trying to turn all the fruit into frozen pies for the year ahead
[02:20] <daftykins> mmm
[02:21] <TJ-> cfhowlett: LOL! i hate to think what they'd cost to ship, they're full to the brim with fruit. I almost dropped 2 getting them out the oven... came over hot-n-cold sweat when I slipped :)
[02:22] <TJ-> I think I've managed about 40 8"x5" and 20 4" rounds today
[02:22]  * cfhowlett thinks for the next A-Z ubuntu, we should adopt the names of delicacies, e.g. Terrific Tapioca
[02:22] <TJ-> Hmmmm.... Ample Apple, Barmy Banana, Chocolate Chip ?
[02:22] <daftykins> XD
[02:23] <cfhowlett> TJ-, chocolate chip for the win!
[02:23] <TJ-> :D
[02:23] <TJ-> Get mixed up with Android no doubt :)
[02:26] <Bashing-om> Did I head chocolate chip ?// I did I did hear chocolate chip ... um ummmm .
[02:27] <TJ-> LOL brings out the choccie monsters every time
[02:28] <TJ-> Worst part is the washing/cleaning up afterwards. I seem to be able to make more mess baking than with electronics!
[02:28] <daftykins> !cookie | all_of_us
[02:28] <daftykins> 8D
[02:31] <TJ-> And where's my chocolate chips!?
[02:31] <daftykins> on the cookies!
[02:31] <TJ-> hmmm... who stole my chips!?
[02:32] <TJ-> I suspect Bashing-om in the pantry with the biscuit cutter
[02:33] <cfhowlett> That's a book title isn't it, TJ?
[02:33] <TJ-> It soon could be :D
[02:33] <daftykins> XD
[02:33] <Bashing-om> One can tell by the smirk on the face .
[02:36] <TJ-> ... and the chocolate smears on the lips
[02:36] <daftykins> and the evil cackle
[02:42] <daftykins> TJ-: oh that reminds me, the user i'm thinking of with nvidia, his xorg log would say 'nomodeset' on the kernel boot params despite not being in /etc/default/grub nor being visible if editing the line in GRUB by hand
[02:42] <daftykins> confused me hugely
[02:44] <TJ-> really? that is foing to cause problems if true. I always check with "cat /proc/cmdline" if in doubt
[02:44] <TJ-> s/foing/going/
[02:45] <daftykins> 'cause he'd get a blank screen the only way i could get him to check his logs was mounting the disk and reading the log from a live session
[02:49] <TJ-> well nomodeset would do that. The problem we have is now by default GRUB puts the GPU into GFX mode, so if we have nomodeset the kernel cannot switch it but the drivers try to write to the console framebuffer which isn't being displayed nor can be switched to
[02:50] <daftykins> all signs pointed to the parameter coming from nowhere :(
[02:51] <daftykins> anywho i dunno if he'll come back
[02:53] <TJ-> always check /proc/cmdline or verify the timestamps in the Xorg.X.log are correct and current; I've been caught out where the log is from a prior boot because the log file name is different. I often ask the user to do "ls -latr /var/log" to identify the most recent log file
[02:54] <daftykins> hmm
[02:55] <daftykins> i hoped getting the guy to do his failed boot, power off... then boot live would show the right file
[02:55] <daftykins> ah maybe it would've remained xorg.0.log if the file was never updated, so maybe after installing the driver his system never got that far... that could be it
[02:56] <TJ-> the file may also be renamed/backed-up if a failsafe session starts
[02:56] <TJ-> "dmesg | grep NVRM" is useful to check if there's been any Nvidia problems this boot
[02:57] <daftykins> mmm he didn't even get TTYs at the time :(
[02:59] <TJ-> best thing to do when there's no TTYs is /etc/default/grub "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" to disable GFX mode
[03:12] <TJ-> I'm feeling surrounded in #ubuntu!
[03:17] <Bashing-om> TJ-: You are ^^, and small backup is fixing to bail on you . Calling it a night .
[03:18] <TJ-> yeah, gone 3am here, still got washing up to finish, grr
[03:18] <TJ-> might have to have an apple pie :D
[03:18] <daftykins> ooh ooh i'll help!
[03:19]  * Bashing-om remembers licking the spoon when Mom made fudge candies .
[03:20] <daftykins> 8D
[03:21] <TJ-> I am terrible for licking out the bowl after making fruit cake... I reckon the unbaked mixture is tastier than the cake
[03:21] <TJ-> Poor Huskies don't get a look-in!
[03:21] <daftykins> hahaha, i can imagine the groans from them
[03:21] <daftykins> "aroooo"
[03:22] <TJ-> That's a good impression of Pepper!
[03:22] <Bashing-om> TJ-: We have 3 4-legged children .. If we eat it ... they will ..pepper included ( and tomatoes ) . And OH, how they can beg !
[03:23] <Bashing-om> good night ... I do call it .
[03:23] <TJ-> night night
[03:24] <daftykins> i think i'm gonna scoot too, too tired for this baseball :)
[03:24] <daftykins> bye folks
[03:24] <TJ-> night!
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/10/ubuntu-16-04-release-schedule-release-schedule-date-xenial-xerus
[09:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:49] <Dylan____> Yo
[09:49] <Dylan____> Is a Ubuntu bot here??
[10:27] <lordievader> Dylan____: Yes, ubot5
[10:27] <lordievader> !bot
[12:03] <EriC^^> afternoon lotuspsychje
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> all ok mate?
[12:03] <EriC^^> i'm good, thanks, you?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> fine fine tnx going for sunny walk later
[12:04] <EriC^^> cool
[12:04] <EriC^^> how's xenial going?
[12:04] <EriC^^> did you fix the wifi?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> fine, got first updates
[12:04] <EriC^^> cool
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> but no wifi yet, got to connect with cable
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> i asked the #kernel guys and a guy said its impossible lspci doesnt wanna show the card
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: cant find nothing disabled in bios..
[12:05] <EriC^^> yeah that's super odd
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so next what ill be testing is a live trusty usb
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> to see if card gets recognized
[12:06] <EriC^^> sounds good
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> so we sure its about the kernel or not
[12:06] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> but xenial itself is rocknroll
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> libreoffice 5, firefox 42
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> booting from the ssd xenial?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:36] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yes
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> nice
[12:37] <BluesKaj> samsung evo 850 250Gb ssd
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> cfhowletttttttttttttttt
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: i cant get my wifi to work on xenial, think it could be kernel related?
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: tryed swithing pci slots, but lspci even doesnt show the card
[12:41] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: worked fine on trusty
[12:42] <BluesKaj> I haven't upgraded my laptop to Xenial yet, still on Wily ....which wifi chip ?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,^
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: its a linksys pci card ralink corp
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich type anymore
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ill test later on trusty usb, to see if it gets recognized still there
[12:44] <BluesKaj> oh ralink is quite common, odd that lspci doesn't see it
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah weird
[12:45] <BluesKaj> but it is very early in the OS development stage
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah ill connect with cable for nox
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[12:46] <BluesKaj> is this desktop wifi?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> yes
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> because my box is upstairs
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> got 2 antena's
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> and linksys are very wide range devices
[12:47] <BluesKaj> ok that's not real common, but it should be workable
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah like i say, things worked like a charm before on trusty
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> ill let you know when i test trusty live again
[12:49] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:57] <OerHeks> Now who is it, EriC^^ ...
[17:00] <EriC^^> no idea
[17:00] <EriC^^> i tried grep -r "ip.*joined" .. nothing showed up
[17:00] <EriC^^> i think he's trolling or confused
[17:02] <EriC^^> ah found him
[17:03] <OerHeks> oh, panv troll ..
[17:03] <OerHeks> that dude is using many names, i guess.
[20:07] <wileee> heh got a virus warning on my samsung linux running tv, when I called up the browser
[20:07] <wileee> a popup anyway
[20:08] <wileee> blocked the browser, did a reset on the TV no issue now
[20:09] <OerHeks> this ? voice activation alert http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31296188
[20:09] <OerHeks> i was planning to buy a tv, sure no smart tv for now.
[20:10] <wileee> mine doesn't have that option, samsung has an addon device, must be on that with other stuff.
[20:11] <OerHeks> all those pixels are just little eyes, watching you
[20:11] <wileee> lol, I felt the tingling
[20:15] <wileee> some file missing was the warning, knowing linux av, it's a tag you have to investigate for an answer, could be anything
[21:17] <TJ-> anyone know if 'weva' sorted out his mysterious GUI-induced encryption lock-out ?
[21:20] <OerHeks> nope
[22:32] <daftykins> another joker in charge of systems they shouldn't be ;)
[22:33] <OerHeks> questions ending with :P
[22:35] <Bashing-om> Yall, just pardon me; I may become moreso the shy retiring type .
[22:35] <daftykins> Bashing-om: d'aww why-so?
[22:39] <daftykins> uh oh wessles is back
[22:39] <daftykins> prepare yourselves!
[22:39] <TJ-> These people that think we can tell them with 100% certainity how to manage their own remote systems, but when we suggest they test the solution first, don't want to know! Shouldn't be let loose in charge of systems at all
[22:42] <daftykins> *nod* must be kids imo
[22:42] <daftykins> same with the one that wants help setting up the mumble thing
[22:42] <TJ-> I think many of them are so-called 'DevOps' with no Ops and very little Dev!
[22:44] <daftykins> :)
[22:55] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Presently, just not in the mood to do their thinking for them .
[22:59] <daftykins> ah indeed, i feel much the same - we've been swamped with a lot of undesirables the last few days
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Constantly amazed, Ask for help, we give a recommendation, and off they go on some wild tangent .
[23:32] <daftykins> *nod* :(
[23:32] <daftykins> EriC^: evening o/
[23:33] <EriC^> evening o/
[23:33] <daftykins> all the circumflexes!
[23:34] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: WB .
[23:34] <EriC^^> thx Bashing-om
[23:35] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Hoz the job hunt progressing ?
[23:35] <EriC^^> not much
[23:38] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Well, something is bound to turn up .
[23:38] <EriC^^> yeah
[23:38] <EriC^^> i'll probably look later or something
[23:39] <TJ-> Going to be quiet for a few days; UOS starts Tuesday
[23:39] <EriC^^> does anybody like skating and have shockwave?
[23:40] <EriC^^> nevermind
[23:42] <daftykins> TJ-: what's that?
[23:43] <TJ-> Ubuntu Online Summit - the successor of the UDS
[23:43] <TJ-> http://summit.ubuntu.com/
[23:46] <EriC^^> troll season i see
[23:46] <TJ-> might be worth following the 'convergence' track to figure out the ramifications of the Unity 8 transition, snap, and so on
[23:46] <EriC^^> ( in #ubuntu right now )
[23:48] <daftykins> been non-stop idiots for days :(
[23:49] <TJ-> I think the Core track, EFI session tomorrow at 1500 UTC will be interesting: EFI Capsule Update and Fallback: "Ubuntu should support updating firmware for systems and components; we should also further define the behavior for EFI fallbacks."
[23:50] <daftykins> O_O
[23:51] <EriC^^> nice
[23:58] <TJ-> indeed, I think I'll weigh in on that one
[23:58] <daftykins> :D