[00:55] <denza242> is it safe to hotplug/hotremove printers?
[01:25] <Johnny__> hi i need some help with the Kde plasma network manager
[01:27] <Johnny__> the kwlan app cant turn off and turn on specific wifi or ethernet hardware
[02:35] <HULK_> join
[02:35] <HULK_> help
[02:35] <HULK_> what is this?
[02:36] <HULK_> ls
[02:36] <HULK_> ?
[03:27] <jrg> hm
[03:28] <jrg> well.. encrypting the hard drive sure doe bring a string of problems
[03:28] <jrg> like apt requiring the passphrase a thousand times but muon not realizing it
[03:28] <VeryBewitching> Is anyone having an issue where their ktorrent process goes into 'disk sleep' for cpu %?
[03:31] <Fritigern> OH-EM-GEE!!! I've just found out that my .xsession-errors is 19.7 GB!!!!!!!
[03:32] <VeryBewitching> Fritigern: How long have you had that file?
[03:32] <VeryBewitching> Mine's 1.2MB for comparison
[03:32] <Fritigern> Beats me.
[03:33] <Fritigern> Time stamp is 11/2/2015
[03:33] <VeryBewitching> It was probably written to when you started your session.
[03:34] <Fritigern> Trying to figure out what I'll use to read that huge file. any suggetions?
[03:35] <Fritigern> I mean, something is wrong, but I need to know what
[03:35] <VeryBewitching> Look at the contents.
[03:35] <Fritigern> Read wghat I said
[03:35] <VeryBewitching> If you see large swaths of pages that repeat, look at what is generating it.
[03:35] <Fritigern> [19:34:38] [[ Fritigern ]] : Trying to figure out what I'll use to read that huge file. any suggetions?
[03:35] <link2x> Fritigern: maybe use less?
[03:35] <VeryBewitching> tail
[03:36] <VeryBewitching> You could use vi too.
[03:36] <link2x> tail would open near the end
[03:36] <link2x> less opens in parts
[03:36] <VeryBewitching> link2x: tail will show you the most recent errors.
[03:36] <link2x> if you have enough ram you could open it in anything
[03:37] <link2x> VeryBewitching: I know, haha, just stating the purposes, since they do differ
[03:37] <Fritigern> There is a lot of qml related spew
[03:39] <Fritigern> This log is useless. Clearly there is something qml relted going very wrong. But without a pid or file name there is nothing that can be done
[03:41] <VeryBewitching> Fritigern: 1) How do you know it's QML related and 2) If you're certain of that, what QML classes/objects is it logging about?
[03:41] <jrg> wow
[03:42] <Fritigern> How i know? Because it says so! And if it mentioned anything at all, classes or whatnot, it would not be a useless log
[03:43] <Fritigern> VeryBewitching: https://paste.kde.org/pxht7nhmm
[03:43] <Fritigern> That's a mere fragment, but it does not mention any process, class, lib, file name, or what have you
[03:43] <VeryBewitching> Fritigern: Do you have an FPS counter running, perhaps the QML applet?
[03:44] <VeryBewitching> Fritigern: It looks like debugging updates about counts from that plasmoid.
[03:44] <Fritigern> I do not have an fps counter
[03:44] <Fritigern> I wouldn;t know why i would want one anyway
[03:44] <VeryBewitching> Fritigern: One exists.
[03:44] <VeryBewitching> Fritigern: This looks like output that could be from it.
[03:44] <Fritigern> That may be, but i did not question that
[03:49] <Fritigern> Hmmmm.... Besides the qml stuff, I see some console output from a SecondLife viewer. How the ^&%^&%#^$ does that end up in that .xsession-errors?
[04:01] <Fritigern> Looks like the file has been growing at least since 22 Oct. And there is this uptime plasmoid that I am running, I'll bet that one is responsible for the qml spam in the log
[09:04] <gombean> is it possible to set up my gmail accounts on kmail?  It won't log in and google sent me an email about an application trying to log into my account which "does not meet modern security standards"....!??
[09:09] <soee> gombean: somethig liek mentioned here: https://plus.google.com/+ThiagoAderaldo/posts/UvA4TnZNFbh ?
[09:19] <gombean> soee: that's the exact one, yeah
[09:23] <gombean> soee: thanks for the pointer, one down 3 to go... yawn
[09:27] <soee> ;)
[09:49] <tzvika> trying to upgrade to 15.04 from 14.04
[09:49] <tzvika> getting could not calculate the upgrade error message
[09:49] <tzvika> any idea?
[10:01] <tzvika> i see a lot of baloo-kf5 messages
[10:20] <dv_> anybody else noticed that when logging in in 15.10, the splash screen stays there for quite some time even though apparently the system already started? its as if some timer is blocking it
[10:22] <hateball> dv_: it is a known bug
[10:22] <gombean> dv_: I just disabled mine in settings
[10:23] <hateball> dv_: probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1509334
[10:23] <gombean> dv_ but my plasma-panel takes about a minute to fully appear too. I just open programs with alt+f2 when I log  infirst
[10:23] <dv_> sooo this is bluetooth related? hm I could try to unplug my USB dongle
[10:24] <hateball> dv_: it doesnt matter if you have it enabled or not, if you read the bug
[10:24] <hateball> the problem is that something hangs when plasma-nm checks if you have bluetooth or not
[10:24] <gombean> enabled/disabled/present/not-present no diff
[10:24] <voicu> Hi guys. I'm on 15.04 and I notice that when a program is doing heavy IO the whole kde desktop hangs...
[10:24] <voicu> I know IO is problematic usually but the screen doesn't get any updates at all
[10:25] <hateball> dv_: anyhow a patch should be released in a few days
[12:34] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:47] <Smurphy> Hia BluesKaj ...
[12:48] <Smurphy> Fixed my kmail problem, well, circumvented the problem.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hey Smurphy, good , a workaround of some sort ?
[12:54] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: yes. The hang came from the Password UI not showing up. Actually, the Send and Password UI tried to take control of the UI - and that hang it.
[12:54] <Smurphy> after "storing" the password, that problem went away.
[12:55] <Smurphy> The VA-API stuf, I circumvented by actually configuring vlc to not use the automatic Codec playback, but the VA-API via DRM.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, thanks for the expalnation about the vlc codec choice, good to know
[12:59] <Smurphy> :} well, at least one thing ;)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> well, in case we see a simialr problem in the future
[13:00] <BluesKaj> similar even
[13:05] <Smurphy> yep.
[13:31] <BlackMage> what is xenial?
[13:36] <BlackMage> the kubuntu daily called xenial-desktop-arch.iso, what is xenial?
[13:39] <BlackMage> I can not find anything about xenial
[13:39] <lordievader> Xenial is the codename for 16.04
[13:39] <BlackMage> okay
[13:41] <Pici>  /50
[13:41] <Pici> !xenial
[13:47] <BlackMage> So in 16.04 there is no KDE ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> of course there is
[13:49] <BlackMage> really?!
[13:50] <BluesKaj> the bot gives the url for ubuntu , not kubuntu which is silly for this chat
[13:51] <BluesKaj> BlackMage,  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[13:54] <BlackMage> BluesKaj: xenial-desktop iso´s no kubuntu-desktop iso´s
[13:57] <BluesKaj> BlackMage, if you already have ubuntu 16.04, then just install kubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <BluesKaj> there are no kubuntu -desktop isos , just like there are no ubuntu-desktop isos, BlackMage
[13:59] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu-desktop is included in the kubuntu-iso... don't think of it as a ppa
[14:01] <BlackMage> there is no kubuntu-iso only a xenial-desktop iso
[14:02] <BluesKaj> BlackMage, do you wany kubuntu or not ? it includes kde/kubuntu-desktop , do you uinderstand?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> want
[14:03] <BlackMage> BluesKaj: yes i understand
[14:04] <BluesKaj> to be clear, kubuntu xenial iso contains kde, kubuntu-desktop, all associated kde and plasma applications and packages
[14:06] <BlackMage> BluesKaj: why it is not so named ?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> so named , how?
[14:07] <BlackMage> kubuntu instead of xenial
[14:09] <BlackMage> BluesKaj: or is it a all-in-one ISO?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> it's called kubuntu xenial because it's the latest developmentr version, the official current vers ion is called kubuntu wily
[14:10] <BluesKaj> yes , all in one
[14:12] <BlackMage> so no (k,x,l)ubuntu more? only all-in-one?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> BlackMage, they are all flavours of ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu , kubuntu , and all have their own isos and deskktop environments
[14:15] <BluesKaj> so there is no iso containing all , each flavour is separate
[14:15] <BlackMage> BluesKaj: ok
[14:15] <BluesKaj> like kubuntu  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[14:23] <BlackMage> BluesKaj: and the Alpha´s Beta´s will built also for there?
[14:52] <Smurphy> Doh.... knode has heen dumped, damn... I loved it.
[15:00] <svend-ev> Good morning
[15:05] <rodolfojcj> hello everybody
[15:05] <rodolfojcj> since Kubuntu 15.04 I'm suffering the same bug described at http://www.eenyhelp.com/bug-794126-plasma-widgets-addons-digital-clock-widget-does-not-show-proper-time-help-215759130.html
[15:06] <rodolfojcj> after upgrading to Kubuntu 15.10 the bug is still present
[15:06] <rodolfojcj> it's about Digital Clock taskbar widget showing the wrong time for Venezuela time zone
[15:07] <rodolfojcj> the Fuzzy Clock is the only one that shows an approximate right value
[15:07] <BluesKaj> rodolfojcj, open a terminal and do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[15:08] <rodolfojcj> BluesKaj: I did as you said. No luck :(
[15:09] <rodolfojcj> Digital clock shows exactly +1 hour of difference
[15:10] <BluesKaj> perhaps a relogin
[15:10] <rodolfojcj> I'll try...
[15:10] <rodolfojcj> I'll be back in a while...
[15:15] <cor_r> hey everyone, before switching to kubuntu I#d like to know whether there is MS exchange support through kmail or the webaccounts applet?!?
[15:16] <yossarianuk> cor_r: I do not believe so (may be wrong)
[15:17] <yossarianuk> for exchange support I have used both evolution and thunderbird )with plugin)
[15:17] <yossarianuk> exchange is horrible.
[15:17] <cor_r> yossarianuk yes, but I wanted to use something native to KDE. And yes, it is horrible need it for work though
[15:18] <yossarianuk> someone may know better .... I have never used kmail really.
[15:18] <cor_r> thank u anyways :)
[15:19] <yossarianuk> cor_r: this may help (or not) -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22977/can-i-connect-to-my-companys-exchange-server-through-kontact
[15:20] <yossarianuk> also https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78629
[15:21] <yossarianuk> Really its only the browser and email client (I now use gmail anyway) that i don't use native kdm apps.
[15:21] <yossarianuk> *kde*
[15:21] <yossarianuk> there is a good browser(ish) thats QTbased
[15:22] <yossarianuk> Qupzilla
[15:22] <yossarianuk> (but not compatible with all sites - ie trello)
[15:22] <rodolfojcj> I'm back
[15:23] <rodolfojcj> no, Digital Clock continues giving me the wrong time
[15:23] <cor_r> thank you very much yossarianuk Ill try davmail, otherwise Ill have to switch back again. why are were u talking about qupzilla though?
[15:23] <rodolfojcj> definitely there's a bug
[15:29] <yossarianuk> just mentioning that the few apps that i use that are not kde native are browser+email client
[15:40] <yossarianuk> really KDE needs a good QT browser...
[15:56] <Smurphy> Have you tried Konqueror ?
[15:56] <Smurphy> yossarianuk: it is a web-browser.
[15:59] <AndCh> Checking phone
[16:08] <AndCh> Check nick
[16:08] <AndCh> Wrong
[17:30] <m-ka> Hello. I has problem with show all on kubuntu 14.04 (after last update). Screenshot: http://prntscr.com/8ymffr How fix it?
[18:13] <denza242> D:
[18:14] <denza242> so for some reason apport/drkonqi is popping up everywhere
[18:14] <denza242> like, when i normally close say, kinfocenter, i get either a drkonqi or a apport message
[18:14] <denza242> heck, once when i closed drkonqi, i got a drkonqi thing for the instance of drkonqi i closed
[18:25] <Smurphy> denza242: lol. Big fail.
[19:05] <supermanintights> hi does anyone have experience with dual screens, using a laptop and vga cable?
[19:07] <supermanintights> using kubuntu system settings, i can't get it to display on my laptop and second screen as extended display.  it only displays on second screen, and shows laptop as disabled, no matter how many times i try to enable and position it before the second screen, it just seems to logs me out, then gives a "kdrunner has crashed" box
[19:11] <Chaser> supermanintights: Did you try xrandr ?
[19:12] <supermanintights> no, i saw that on the arch wiki.  is it something i need to download
[19:13] <Smurphy> supermanintights: which Version you using ? under 15.04 it works. 15.10 I didn't try.
[19:13] <Chaser> !info xrandr
[19:14] <supermanintights> Smurphy: 15.10
[19:14] <Chaser> Ah its part of x11-xserver-utils
[19:14] <supermanintights> is that what i need to apt-get Chaser?
[19:14] <Smurphy> I think that if Display configuration menue does not work, it won't be easy to get it to work.
[19:15] <Smurphy> xrandr is installed with plasma...
[19:15] <supermanintights> it was working ok, although when i try my laptop's keyboard shortcut to display change it was a bit interesting the different display options - however it was working fine last night when i set it to second screen only, but despite several restart attempts and fixes, it won't go back to extended now
[19:15] <supermanintights> oh, i just saw "run xrandr"
[19:15] <supermanintights> will try now
[19:16] <supermanintights> so as someone who is familiar with linux - ubuntu and mint, what should i bear in mind with KDE/kubuntu?
[19:16] <supermanintights> Any particular tips/suggestions?
[19:18] <supermanintights> Smurphy: i run xrandr in console, and get this output https://ptpb.pw/mFiy
[19:21] <Smurphy> so he detected both screens.
[19:21] <Smurphy> You need to configure the type of screens to use. Clone, or big surface etc.
[19:22] <Smurphy> Sorry, have to go feed the kids. Be back later ...
[19:22] <supermanintights> is big surface the same as 'extend' display - so i can use 2 screens worth of space, with each having their own individual resolution?
[19:22] <supermanintights> ok no problem, thanks for the tip
[19:39] <Supermanintights> So unfortunately I have the same problem even when I use randr
[19:40] <rodolfojcj> hi!
[19:40] <Supermanintights> hi
[19:41] <rodolfojcj> is there someone here to give a hand hunting a bug with Digital Clock plasmoid?
[19:41] <rodolfojcj> I'm reviewing that plasmoids's QML files
[19:41] <rodolfojcj> and I've identified a line where it's returrning the wrong time offset (in seconds) for my timezone
[19:42] <rodolfojcj> so, that seems to be the reason that the Digital Clock displays a wrong time
[20:03] <Supermanintights> does anyone have any experience with Kontact - the mail client seems to be running really slow, and only has emails up to august of this year, nothing newer showing in inbox
[20:03] <rodolfojcj> here I am again
[20:04] <rodolfojcj> regarding a bug with Digital Clock showing the wrong time for Caracas timezone, that's a known bug that has been solved
[20:05] <rodolfojcj> and according with https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343610 and https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/120779/ this has been solved for Qt Core 5.5
[20:06] <rodolfojcj> and Kubuntu 15.10 ships Qt Core version 5.4
[20:06] <rodolfojcj> is it possible for the Kubuntu package maintainers to backport that solution that solvest that bug?
[20:07] <rodolfojcj> note that is not only Caracas timezone that is affected, but several timezones that have a fractional part
[21:35] <jrg> sorry but i lose track of these names
[21:35] <jrg> what is kubuntu 15.10 called?
[21:36] <jrg> the codename
[21:36] <Unit193> WIly Warewolf
[21:36] <Unit193> !15.10
[21:36] <Unit193> ...I can't spell.
[21:36] <jrg> ah ok
[21:36] <jrg> any tor instructions somewhere?
[21:36]  * genii feeds Unit193 a nice strong Robusta blend
[21:36] <Unit193> What do you mean, jrg?
[21:37] <genii> Freenode no longer works with tor, it was being abused too much
[21:37] <jrg> wow really?
[21:37] <genii> Yes
[21:37] <jrg> thought you had to register for tor on fnode
[21:38] <jrg> i have a spare laptop.. was just curious if it was possible to make it anonymous all around. not really for doing anything special but just to see if it can be done
[21:40] <genii> jrg: https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/564848187710906368  ...been off since then
[21:40] <Unit193> jrg: Correct, and there were people trying to brute force accounts with it, and you couldn't block them.  You may also want to look into VPNs?
[21:41] <jrg> Unit193: possibly. i'll look at those later. no big deal.. just wanted to play a bit with it
[21:48] <jrg> ls
[21:48] <jrg> oops
[21:59] <AndyMan1> Hi, when KDE Applications 15.12 is released, will it be included in Kubuntu 15.10, or will I have to wait till 16.04 to see those changes?
[22:52] <Unit193> It's dolomite, baby!
[23:47] <jrg> genii: interesting thing about the tor stuff. bit strange tho.
[23:50] <genii> jrg: Since Freenode is a network supposedly for the main purpose of work on open-source and other similar projects, the majority of users really don't have a requirement for anonymity to begin with.
[23:51] <genii> So it's not a great loss
[23:56] <jrg> I suppose. Then again... people can exchange exploit code in order to prevent issues. I would guess that reverse engineering things might fall into the category of wanting anonymity. But who knows. There seem to be quite a few channels on freenode not dedicated to code at all. like the reddit-sports channels
[23:56] <jrg> anyways tho. not really a topic for #kubuntu ;)
[23:57] <jrg> i managed to get tor installed in it tho. i was just working on making a 100% anonymous kubuntu laptop. just to see if it were possible.