| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === mapps is now known as mapppps | ||
| === mapppps is now known as mapps | ||
| daftykins | windows 7 will no longer be allowed to be sold on PCs as of October 31st 2016 | 05:25 |
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| mapps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yszTYz_YznE | 05:27 |
| mapps | : | 05:28 |
| mapps | D | 05:28 |
| mapps | there's eng subs also | 05:28 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 06:12 |
| knightwise | hey everyone | 07:25 |
| mapps | hey knightwise | 07:26 |
| knightwise | hey mapps, how are you :) | 07:27 |
| mapps | not bad pal | 07:27 |
| mapps | got internet again finally! | 07:28 |
| mapps | had it for a week then it died;9 | 07:28 |
| knightwise | you fell off the broadband planet ? | 07:34 |
| mapps | yea:P | 07:36 |
| mapps | now im back in the game | 07:37 |
| mapps | my tv uses my internet.i get sky/uk chans/beIN:D | 07:37 |
| mapps | like Sergei Lahov said " if it looks like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist , if it soeaks like a terorist -- it's a terrosit" | 07:41 |
| czajkowski | Aloha | 08:50 |
| MooDoo | howdy | 08:52 |
| mapps | so many spies | 09:07 |
| mapps | people ask of my facebook and twitter | 09:07 |
| mapps | but its wothless to most - i speak russian on facebook and twitter is 50/50 | 09:08 |
| mapps | no use for them at all:D | 09:09 |
| ali1234 | I'm going to buy a USB 3.1 card. should I buy one with type A ports or type C ports? | 09:12 |
| SuperMatt | well nothing uses type c yet, but you may need it in the future | 09:15 |
| ali1234 | but i can just use an adapter right? | 09:15 |
| SuperMatt | I have no idea | 09:15 |
| ali1234 | by the time type C stuff is common i will probably have a new computer with type C ports | 09:15 |
| SuperMatt | I remember that it took an age just for usb to take off, so give it about 5 years, and then you'll need something with a type c connector | 09:17 |
| SuperMatt | (please bear in mind that I could be very very wrong) | 09:17 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:28 |
| MooDoo | howdy davmor2 | 09:29 |
| * zmoylan-pi remembers all the usb ports on 486 systems for years before win95b staggered along and started using them... ;-) | 09:33 | |
| ali1234 | USB 1.0... | 09:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | of course by then i had a super cheap pc so i needed to find a pci card to add usb ports to my amd k6-2 system... | 09:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | but when my boss spent a fortune on a 128mb usb drive it became the most used bit of hardware in the office overnight | 09:40 |
| davmor2 | and this is the monstrosity of a song stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM | 09:41 |
| SuperMatt | 128M? I couldn't even fit my po^H^H photos on there | 09:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | even if i had to install drivers for every pc in the office to use it from a zip drive/cd | 09:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | last week i picked up a 64gb for €25 | 09:41 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: You have photos of pooh, what about tigger and piglet? | 09:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | impulse purchase at newsagents... | 09:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | don't be silly, he's not interested in silly antics of tigger and piglet | 09:42 |
| SuperMatt | you don't know me! | 09:51 |
| * zmoylan-pi would have put you down as an eeyore fan... :-) | 09:53 | |
| SuperMatt | is it because I'm so depressed? | 09:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | who doesn't like a good donkey? | 09:55 |
| SuperMatt | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oholah_and_Oholibah | 09:59 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃 | 10:17 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: I present you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s | 10:21 |
| davmor2 | the worlds worst sandwich I doubt even popey would eat one | 10:21 |
| JamesTait | Vegemite! | 10:23 |
| popey | Ooh! Good idea. Marmite for breakfast | 10:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | beetroot sandwiches ::spits:: | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | popey: Vegemite is like Marmite evil twin | 10:25 |
| popey | meh | 10:25 |
| SuperMatt | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/132464560327/sneaking-a-bottle-of-water-into-the-datacenter | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | popey: it's even worse when you don't like Marmite trust me | 10:25 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 10:27 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, how can yo not like Marmite? 😝 | 10:27 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: Well it starts with having tastebuds | 10:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | choosing not to eat something that was designed to use up the waste from another industrial process... | 10:30 |
| JamesTait | So, you don't like crunchy bites either? | 10:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | if i want crunchy i'll chuck a few rashers on my sandwich like god didn't intend :-) | 10:32 |
| MooDoo | :) | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: if god didn't intend it he wouldn't of made pigs from bacon ;) | 10:37 |
| foobarry | marmite is just matured earwax | 10:37 |
| mapps | i need someone to block betfair | 10:40 |
| mapps | make me a script i can install | 10:40 |
| * mapps is an addict | 10:40 | |
| zmoylan-pi | add it to block list on your router? | 10:41 |
| mapps | but i can bypas it | 10:41 |
| mapps | i know i have a problem that why i ask | 10:41 |
| mapps | i wont be posting on instagram or facebuuk | 10:42 |
| mapps | im struggling | 10:42 |
| MooDoo | you're technical, no matter what we suggest, you'll know how to bypass it | 10:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | ^this | 10:43 |
| mapps | true | 10:43 |
| mapps | what ca i do | 10:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | gamblers anonymous? | 10:44 |
| mapps | never | 10:44 |
| mapps | im a loser sure - i just need some help | 10:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | isn't it better to talk with people who have dealt with the same problem? | 10:45 |
| mapps | basically | 10:45 |
| mapps | hsbc an barclays told me i cant get anymore credit | 10:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | there are councillors who could help 1 on 1 but more expensive | 10:46 |
| mapps | and ive been gambling it all away | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | mapps: you just need a script that plays this every time you go to the site https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE | 10:46 |
| mapps | i owe 27.5k to mbna | 10:47 |
| mapps | and 15k to hsbc | 10:47 |
| mapps | every month | 10:47 |
| mapps | i hope for a good month..and lose it all | 10:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | you know this to be true, that gambling got you into this hole and it is not going to get you out | 10:48 |
| mapps | i had £1900 on chelea to get me out of thi | 10:48 |
| mapps | and it didnt | 10:48 |
| MooDoo | Citizens advice bureua, that's all I can advise really | 10:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | ^this | 10:49 |
| davmor2 | mapps: serious you need to get help | 10:49 |
| mapps | i know | 10:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | they are there to help. looking for help here is a sign you want to change but you need to talk to people who can offer more than ideas and moral support | 10:49 |
| mapps | i cant cope much more with repayments | 10:49 |
| davmor2 | mapps: no you don't need to shrug it off with I know, you need to go get help! | 10:50 |
| mapps | i have to pay about 2500 a month on debts | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:51 |
| mapps | hey bigcalm | 10:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | i was paying about €500 a month around 2000, could barely make those payment. took a few years to dig myself out of debt | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | o/ | 10:51 |
| mapps | yea i can pay just | 10:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | you just have to try and add a few extra bob every 2nd month and after a few months you'll see the monthly payments start to decrease till every month you have a little more. of course you have to stop the outgoings | 10:53 |
| mapps | im not a stupid guy -- it just went all wrong | 10:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | people who are addicts are not fools, they're just vulnerable to bad ideas they know are bad | 10:54 |
| mapps | but i have them all? | 10:55 |
| mapps | i smoke..i drin..i gamble | 10:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | “The mind commands the body and is instantly obeyed. The mind commands itself and meets resistance.” | 10:55 |
| mapps | i need uni again | 10:56 |
| mapps | at uni i was less bad | 10:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | you need to go and live on an island were there's no drink, tobacco or gambling. but that's not an option. you have to be that island | 10:57 |
| mapps | yea | 10:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | the only one who can stop you is you | 10:57 |
| mapps | agreed | 10:58 |
| foobarry | and also accept that ulmtimately you lose with galmbling | 10:58 |
| * bashrc wonders if he accidentally subscribed to #philosophy | 10:58 | |
| foobarry | cut losses and run away | 10:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | but always remember callahans law, 'shared pain lessens, shared joy increases, thus we refute entropy' | 10:58 |
| foobarry | my local screen session is laggy :( | 10:59 |
| mapps | irritating mbna gave me a limit of £25k what happened | 10:59 |
| mapps | i blew most of it | 10:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | be happy they didn't give you a bigger limit | 10:59 |
| mapps | i used to be so happy before | 10:59 |
| foobarry | do gamblers ever quit by themselves? | 10:59 |
| foobarry | most need external help i expect | 11:00 |
| mapps | its this damn gamblin | 11:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | probably, but they would be the rareity | 11:00 |
| mapps | im lucky | 11:01 |
| mapps | ina way | 11:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | not at the moment you're not | 11:01 |
| mapps | my dad transferred my rent money | 11:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | dependng on luck is a sure way to failure as it will run out | 11:01 |
| mapps | to his account | 11:01 |
| mapps | because again | 11:02 |
| mapps | my rents £1200 | 11:02 |
| mapps | i just manage t | 11:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | can you find somewhere cheaper to live? | 11:02 |
| * mapps slaps NET||abu- around a bit with a large trout | 11:02 | |
| mapps | sorry] | 11:02 |
| mapps | in spain yea | 11:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | even if you switched to e-cigs rather than smoking it would save a bundle | 11:02 |
| mapps | but i dont want to | 11:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | yes you do, you complained about it earlier | 11:03 |
| mapps | i have a drink problem too though | 11:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | you might see it as the lesser of drinking and gambling but you still mentioned it | 11:03 |
| Laney | is it possible to buy radiator valves (or something) which Nest can use to only heat the room I'm in? | 11:03 |
| mapps | so i wanna be close to work] | 11:03 |
| Laney | irritating heating the whole house when I'm only in one room all day | 11:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | i just wear heavier jumpers laney :-) | 11:04 |
| mapps | it all went downhilll 12 years ago | 11:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | and only you can turn it around mapps | 11:05 |
| mapps | i have no excuse now its me | 11:05 |
| mapps | yea | 11:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | but you CAN get better | 11:05 |
| ali1234 | hey laney | 11:05 |
| ali1234 | were your lights flickering this morning? | 11:05 |
| Laney | hi ali1234 | 11:06 |
| Laney | creepy question... | 11:06 |
| mapps | unlikely innit:) | 11:06 |
| Laney | don't think so | 11:06 |
| mapps | il bloody sort this out and then drop dead zmoylan-pi | 11:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | mapps: only unlikely if you do nothing | 11:06 |
| ali1234 | mine were. about 7:30 to 8:00 | 11:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | maybe but then you won't owe a penny to nobody mapps and that feels wonderful, trust me on that | 11:07 |
| ali1234 | must just be the substation | 11:07 |
| ali1234 | or my fuse box | 11:07 |
| mapps | i hope so zmoylan-p | 11:08 |
| mapps | but | 11:08 |
| * zmoylan-pi remembers going to post office to pay last credit bill last bit of dosh i owed... :-) | 11:08 | |
| mapps | it wont hapen for m | 11:08 |
| mapps | m | 11:08 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: pfff Laney is still in bed coding now you don't think he is up at that ungodly hour do you ;) | 11:08 |
| mapps | me damn | 11:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | it can and will if you set your mind to it mapps | 11:08 |
| mapps | never ill sadly | 11:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | only if you refuse to let yourself from helping yourself mapps | 11:09 |
| mapps | ive been here 14 months noones come to see me | 11:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | contact gamblers anonymous, what's the worst that could happen? | 11:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | an hour or two away from temptation? | 11:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | well loneliness is the cause of many problems | 11:10 |
| mapps | i just have no friends or family sadly | 11:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | try ga, you might make friends there | 11:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | friends who are in the same boat you are | 11:10 |
| mapps | i try and do my spanish learning | 11:12 |
| mapps | but i get bored:( | 11:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | get out, meet people, the more time you are out of the house the less time you have to go online and gamble | 11:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | 1) today find were the gambling addict resources near you are, 2) tomorrow is about working up the courage to go. but today concentrate on (1) | 11:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | little steps | 11:14 |
| mapps | i agree | 11:15 |
| mapps | i assume its little little in gib | 11:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | military base nearby, i'd suspect not | 11:16 |
| mapps | man i suck..my spanish is bad.my russians bad...all i do is hold a job down | 11:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's a start | 11:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | now build on it | 11:17 |
| mapps | :D | 11:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | of course the first castle might fall over and catch fire in the swamp but keep going :-) | 11:18 |
| mapps | lol | 11:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | right time for me to head to library to try and get distraction free zone to learn python... o/ | 11:19 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: Oh that's easy, it's hiss, hiss, hiss, hiiiiissssss, hiss, hiss, hissssssssssssss | 11:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | i thought that was asp for 'bite you where?!' | 11:23 |
| Gary | Hey, how is everyone! | 12:24 |
| mapps | hi friend | 12:29 |
| Gary | how have things been in #ubuntu-uk land? | 12:30 |
| mapps | not bad | 12:42 |
| mapps | :D | 12:42 |
| MooDoo | :) | 12:43 |
| foobarry | does firefox not restore previous session by default any more? | 13:00 |
| foobarry | ah, foudn it | 13:06 |
| diddledan_ | morning | 13:25 |
| MooDoo | morning | 13:28 |
| Azelphur | omg...I just found an amazing button on my new monitors | 13:29 |
| Azelphur | they support 4xPBP 2k...I could emulate 16 2k monitors o.O | 13:29 |
| popey | blimey | 13:30 |
| Azelphur | I think the 2k is downscaled to 1080 though, so it's a little pixelated | 13:31 |
| Azelphur | but yea, if I had a mountain of GPUs and used DP + 3x HDMI, I could have 16 "monitors" | 13:31 |
| Azelphur | this would kick ass with a synergy setup and multiple machines though | 13:31 |
| diddledan_ | isn't 1920x1080 2k anyway? | 13:32 |
| Azelphur | diddledan_: people generally refer to 1440p as 2k, but yea I can see your point | 13:32 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| Azelphur | Hmm, I am running backups on my machine, I have the program doing the backups set to nice -n 19 ionice -c3, yet the whole machine continually goes really slow, like 15+ seconds to load a terminal sometimes. Load average is like >9, any ideas? | 14:31 |
| daftykins | i spotted a £150 IPS HannsG 2560x1440 today for someone, could be neat if they read their email... :> | 14:42 |
| daftykins | oh 27" too | 14:43 |
| lopta | Azelphur: What are you using to backup your machine? What software and backup medium? | 14:51 |
| Azelphur | lopta: attic | 14:51 |
| Azelphur | and a local server | 14:52 |
| lopta | Azelphur: Over gigabit Ethernet? | 14:53 |
| Azelphur | 100 | 14:53 |
| daftykins | eww | 14:53 |
| lopta | I'm not familiar with Attic. | 14:53 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: nice 8 port gigabit switch on amazon black friday for £14 today :P | 14:53 |
| === GazzaK is now known as Gary | ||
| daftykins | Netgear one | 14:53 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: black friday? wat that's not till later this month | 14:54 |
| daftykins | actually it's weeks long now | 14:54 |
| daftykins | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00AWM7PKO | 14:54 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: stuck it on my purse wishlist, I get it for £7 :P | 14:56 |
| daftykins | ^_^ what on earth is a purse wishlist o0 | 14:56 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: basically I set up a wishlist on Amazon, I list it on purse and say "I'll pay you X BTC if you buy this stuff for me" | 14:56 |
| Azelphur | X BTC is generally between 50-80% of the value of the items | 14:57 |
| daftykins | oh ok | 14:57 |
| daftykins | you and your funny money ;D | 14:57 |
| Azelphur | :) | 14:57 |
| Azelphur | my funny money is going nuts atm | 14:57 |
| daftykins | again? | 14:58 |
| daftykins | what's especially funny about me saying that is normally it's Guernsey bank notes getting laughed at | 14:58 |
| Azelphur | yup, gone up almost $100 in the past few days | 14:58 |
| daftykins | is that a standard original or some kind of sub-named variant once more? | 14:58 |
| Azelphur | wat | 14:59 |
| daftykins | all the *coin names they spun off | 14:59 |
| Azelphur | you mean is purse an altcoin? no it's a service that uses Bitcoin | 15:00 |
| Azelphur | I don't really buy into the whole altcoin thing | 15:00 |
| === GazzaK is now known as Gary | ||
| daftykins | nah the current value gaining coin type you're referring to | 15:01 |
| Azelphur | nope, that's plain old Bitcoin | 15:02 |
| daftykins | ah ok :> | 15:02 |
| Azelphur | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg10ztgTzm1g10zm2g25 it's a good day to be holding Bitcoin :P | 15:02 |
| awilkins | Wowzer | 15:21 |
| awilkins | I was going to buy some last week | 15:21 |
| ali1234 | did it break 400 yet? | 15:24 |
| foobarry | sell now! | 15:24 |
| ali1234 | i already sold today | 15:26 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: my boss is getting screwed by this it's kinda funny, he didn't pay me on time yet still owes me BTC @ $254 | 15:28 |
| Azelphur | last time I calculated it was like $1300 this is gonna cost him | 15:28 |
| daftykins | :D | 15:30 |
| foobarry | what job do u do Azelphur | 15:35 |
| Azelphur | foobarry: I'm a developer | 15:35 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| diddledan_ | people are moaning about linus again: http://news.softpedia.com/news/linus-torvalds-attacks-the-work-of-kernel-developer-with-hash-language-again-495636.shtml | 16:40 |
| bigcalm | Is he turning into RMS? Required but ignored | 16:41 |
| jpds | diddledan_: People clearly don't know enough about writing good code | 16:42 |
| daftykins | i see folk wanting to follow the UOS from the comfort of their fine FOSS distro are coming up against requiring the flash player? | 16:43 |
| daftykins | is the irony there wasted on anyone? :D | 16:43 |
| bashrc | I think that's the problem of all dictatorships. Once a project gets big I think who is doing the maintaining should be subject to vote | 16:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | he produces code AND administers a huge important software project. he comes from a culture were they use all the words | 16:45 |
| bashrc | by his own admission, I don't think linus writes kernel code anymore | 16:45 |
| daftykins | yeah i read he doesn't write | 16:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | if he's personally reviewing the code patches submitted then he is producing code as he judges it | 16:47 |
| bashrc | reviewing patches != writing code | 16:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | it is to my mind | 16:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | he is adding something | 16:48 |
| bashrc | he's acting as an editor | 16:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's like the -2000 lines of code... http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt&sub=HN0 | 16:48 |
| bashrc | as a developer and reviewer myself I can say it's much easier to criticise code in review than to write it | 16:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | true but i still would let him have his rant if he wishes | 16:49 |
| bashrc | submitting even a one line patch can sometimes take a lot of research | 16:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | some of the hardest edits i have done to code has resulted in 1 day = 1 line of code | 16:50 |
| daftykins | ugh a client wants to drive 2 x 2560x1440 res screens from a laptop and wants me to find one with a budget of £300-400 | 16:56 |
| daftykins | what a joke! | 16:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | some fresnel a4 sized lens stuck to a chromebook... :-) | 16:57 |
| daftykins | he's honestly dreaming | 17:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | or inserting the earbuds too deep... :-) | 17:03 |
| popey | I know someone who used to use a fresnel lens while playing flight sims | 17:14 |
| mapp | sheesh | 17:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | they used to sell them in 60s to make your tv bigger | 17:18 |
| mapp | this traslating is tough | 17:18 |
| daftykins | well well, displayport multistream hubs seem to be the trick - http://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-DisplayPort-Multi-Stream-Transport/dp/B00XXPYGPO/ | 17:30 |
| diddledan_ | o_O | 17:34 |
| daftykins | beats buying displays with the two sockets built in | 17:35 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: you haven't got an 'xrandr' kicking around for your new toys have you? :) | 17:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | that pesky word unlimited strikes again... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/microsoft-drops-unlimited-onedrive-storage-after-people-use-it-for-unlimited-storage/ | 17:48 |
| diddledan_ | aye | 17:49 |
| diddledan_ | I saw that a little while ago | 17:49 |
| diddledan_ | they've also made apple icloud a cheaper option for storage on windows than microsoft's own offering | 17:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | every time that happens they should administer beatings to the marketing department to make it not happen again... :-P | 17:49 |
| diddledan_ | oldie to newbie: "don't ever end up like fred".. newbie: "why what happened to fred?" oldie: "he used the word 'unlimited'. he was seen going into the ceo's office and he never came out..." | 17:53 |
| === kittens is now known as Guest70694 | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| Azelphur | daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13093671/ | 18:23 |
| daftykins | ty sir | 18:25 |
| diddledan_ | I wonder what OS apple use in their datacentres? | 19:17 |
| diddledan_ | would be silly to use OS X because that's not a server OS and windows is made by a rival so they'd not want to use that and linux is not OS X so they won't want to use that | 19:18 |
| diddledan_ | maybe they'll use the bsd userland on top of mach but not the full os x | 19:19 |
| diddledan_ | i.e. no gfx | 19:19 |
| diddledan_ | no desktop etc. | 19:19 |
| daftykins | a mate who works for them in London told me most of their gear used to be run from mac minis =| | 19:28 |
| daftykins | cringe++ | 19:28 |
| marshmn | hi all; I just upgraded from 15.04 -> 15.10, but it's no longer booting into graphical environment :( | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins: http://www.macminicolo.net/ | 19:29 |
| daftykins | marshmn: tried appending 'nomodeset' to kernel boot params? | 19:29 |
| daftykins | your drivers might have been killed | 19:29 |
| daftykins | (if you need any) | 19:29 |
| marshmn | original install was ubuntugnome | 19:29 |
| marshmn | daftykins: ok, will try | 19:29 |
| marshmn | machine is Dell XPS 15 laptop | 19:29 |
| marshmn | is the correct way to append that to hit 'e' at the grub menu? | 19:32 |
| marshmn | and then add it to the bottom of the list in the editor it gives me? | 19:32 |
| marshmn | then hit F10? | 19:32 |
| diddledan_ | if you do that you need to find the right line | 19:32 |
| diddledan_ | it'll start with "linux" | 19:33 |
| marshmn | is there an easier way? | 19:33 |
| daftykins | nope | 19:34 |
| daftykins | it's a manual edit. | 19:34 |
| daftykins | ah yeah that sounds like the one with the nvidia graphics | 19:34 |
| marshmn | it has Nvidia and IntelHD | 19:35 |
| marshmn | TBH, I thought I was only using the intel chipset | 19:35 |
| daftykins | yeah optimus machine | 19:35 |
| marshmn | so, add 'nomodeset' to the end of the linux line after hitting e? | 19:35 |
| marshmn | and then just hit F10? | 19:35 |
| daftykins | where it says 'quiet splash' , add it before or after | 19:37 |
| daftykins | yep F10 or ctrl+x i think | 19:37 |
| marshmn | ok, so I've done that - now I just get a blank screen | 19:38 |
| marshmn | I get the ubuntu logo with animated dots first | 19:38 |
| marshmn | then after a few seconds blank screen | 19:39 |
| marshmn | before adding that, it was dumping me out to console mode with messages | 19:39 |
| marshmn | but now just blank screen | 19:39 |
| diddledan_ | some may remember I moaned about a wonky 24inch monitor - turns out that some of the capacitors in the power supply were bulging so it may be just a case of replacing those to fix it - Dad's ordered some so we'll see. | 19:39 |
| marshmn | if I take that back out, so that I can get back to the messages it gives on the console, it gets as far as "[OK] Reached target Basic System." | 19:41 |
| marshmn | then the next line looks garbled: | 19:41 |
| daftykins | marshmn: so you got a working TTY? | 19:41 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: :D i like those fixes | 19:41 |
| marshmn | "[OK] Started LSB: Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures....ut down..... | 19:42 |
| daftykins | my brother stubbornly ignored my advice on checking ebay for even a full straight up PSU swap | 19:42 |
| marshmn | daftykins: I can get to a working TTY with Ctrl+F1 | 19:42 |
| marshmn | well, F2 | 19:42 |
| daftykins | ah ok, log in and do a "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" | 19:42 |
| daftykins | see if any are installed at all | 19:42 |
| marshmn | yes, there are a few things for that | 19:43 |
| marshmn | such as nvidia-346 | 19:43 |
| daftykins | sudo apt-get purge nvidia* | 19:43 |
| daftykins | then reboot | 19:43 |
| daftykins | oh | 19:43 |
| daftykins | check there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf before reboot too | 19:43 |
| marshmn | there is xorg.conf.0 | 19:46 |
| marshmn | should I leave that or remove? | 19:46 |
| daftykins | nah that one is ok | 19:46 |
| daftykins | as long as /etc/X11/xorg.conf itself doesn't exist, that should be set - so reboot now | 19:47 |
| marshmn | ok, rebooting | 19:47 |
| marshmn | hard to work in console mode on a 4k screen :/ | 19:47 |
| marshmn | still same on reboot | 19:47 |
| marshmn | same console output as I wrote above | 19:48 |
| marshmn | oh, no, actually | 19:48 |
| marshmn | it seemed to get beyond target "System Initialization" | 19:48 |
| marshmn | is that before or after "Basic System"? | 19:48 |
| marshmn | last message before garbled line is now "[OK] Listening on CUPS Scheduler" | 19:49 |
| daftykins | hmm | 19:51 |
| daftykins | and nothing from all ctrl+alt+Fx combos? F1 through F12 that is | 19:51 |
| marshmn | I see normal TTY login prompts on F1 through to F6 | 19:52 |
| marshmn | on F7 I just see the console output | 19:52 |
| marshmn | nothing else | 19:52 |
| daftykins | does that thing have wired LAN? | 19:53 |
| diddledan_ | Xorg.log? | 19:53 |
| daftykins | or a USB adapter capable of | 19:53 |
| daftykins | yeah Xorg log or lightdm troubleshooting would be next i'd think | 19:53 |
| daftykins | if you can get it online i'd "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" | 19:54 |
| marshmn | I have a USB network adapter if need be | 19:54 |
| daftykins | yeah that should work | 19:55 |
| marshmn | actually, wifi still appears to work | 19:56 |
| marshmn | http://paste.ubuntu.com/13094447/ | 19:56 |
| daftykins | weird, assuming that log is dated with a sensible timestamp to be right now, that seems to have come up just fine | 19:57 |
| marshmn | how can I tell whether I'm using gdm or lightdm? | 19:58 |
| marshmn | and is it worth me trying the other, whichever it is? | 19:58 |
| daftykins | hmm i forget the file that suggests it, no idea what gnome uses | 20:00 |
| daftykins | you could check for running services and see which one is up | 20:01 |
| marshmn | gdm is running | 20:01 |
| marshmn | lightdm is not | 20:01 |
| daftykins | probably depends now how much time you want to put in, could keep digging into logs or just nuke it with a clean 15.10 and restore your /home from backup if it's not on a separate partition | 20:01 |
| marshmn | is that likely to work? | 20:01 |
| daftykins | if a 15.10 live session works yeah, it's probably just the upgrade that's gone nuts | 20:02 |
| marshmn | :/ | 20:02 |
| daftykins | might not hurt to ensure it fully completed with a "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade" | 20:02 |
| marshmn | I guess I'll have to download that and try it | 20:02 |
| marshmn | how can I try lightdm? | 20:02 |
| marshmn | (just in case) | 20:02 |
| daftykins | i don't think that'd be a worthy approach | 20:02 |
| marshmn | ok | 20:02 |
| daftykins | now nouveau is back in use instead of nvidia proprietary, nomodeset might be of more use again too | 20:03 |
| marshmn | so maybe try that again? ok | 20:03 |
| marshmn | nope, no dice | 20:04 |
| marshmn | just blank screen with that again | 20:04 |
| marshmn | I didn't really want to have to start from scratch since I'd gotten everything set up nicely how I want it :/ | 20:05 |
| marshmn | but if that's what I have to do then I guess I have no choice | 20:05 |
| diddledan_ | most of the config will be in your home folder so if you retain that you should only have to reinstall any extra applications | 20:05 |
| daftykins | ^ | 20:05 |
| daftykins | it could be a 15.10 kernel + optimus quirk | 20:06 |
| daftykins | my experience level definitely isn't high enough to troubleshoot properly | 20:06 |
| * daftykins pats Windows and ducks | 20:06 | |
| diddledan_ | windows ftw? | 20:06 |
| daftykins | well, i think all OSs suck equally still :D | 20:07 |
| marshmn | I didn't really care too much about getting 15.10 - I only upgraded because it prompted me to :/ | 20:07 |
| marshmn | wish I'd not bothered... | 20:07 |
| marshmn | now I've just made myself a world of pain | 20:08 |
| daftykins | i shall avoid speaking of backups so i don't get a sharp jab to the side :> | 20:09 |
| marshmn | I have backups, that's not an issue | 20:09 |
| marshmn | but still, I now need to download 15.10 image | 20:09 |
| * diddledan_ pokes daftykins with a pokey thing | 20:09 | |
| diddledan_ | pokey poke poke | 20:09 |
| marshmn | next issue is that I don't have a USB stick to hand to put it on | 20:09 |
| marshmn | so it might be 24 hours before I get it all sorted | 20:10 |
| daftykins | yeah if i were upgrading and had the time i'd probably clonezilla disk image a machine prior :) | 20:10 |
| daftykins | then it'd just be a case of throwing it back on and it'd be like travelling back in time | 20:10 |
| marshmn | thanks for your help anyway | 20:12 |
| daftykins | np :) | 20:14 |
| marshmn | I'll just sulk & play some Go for now and deal with it later :) | 20:15 |
| marshmn | daftykins: switching to lightdm seems to have fixed it :) | 20:37 |
| daftykins | bit weird o0 | 20:37 |
| daftykins | you may want the nvidia driver back on ultimately too | 20:37 |
| marshmn | yea | 20:38 |
| daftykins | nvidia-352 being the newest in 15.10 repos | 20:39 |
| daftykins | i think | 20:39 |
| foobarry | xubuntu users based in EU: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3r9f52/looking_for_xubuntu_users_for_academic_research/ | 20:44 |
| foobarry | get paid to xubuntu/xfce | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | sidi is a cool guy | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | but you have to use chromium | 20:45 |
| foobarry | know anyone who might be interested? | 20:48 |
| foobarry | can't remember the xfce users in here | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | only me | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | but... i don't want to use chromium | 20:48 |
| awilkins | There's a -355 version of the nvidia driver in a PPA | 20:49 |
| foobarry | marshmn had the black screen lightdm problem? | 20:50 |
| foobarry | i had that today and fixed it, but might be different scenario | 20:51 |
| marshmn | I had an issue when using gdm - on upgrade to 15.10 with gdm it was failing to switch into graphical mode | 20:51 |
| marshmn | switching from gdm to lightdm seems to have resolved that | 20:51 |
| foobarry | ah ok. there were lots of words, didn't read them all | 20:53 |
| foobarry | doing a market research survey that asks about interesting tech startups - anyone think of any new small ones? | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | there's so many that i can't think of one | 20:55 |
| foobarry | :) | 21:03 |
| daftykins | just murdered my first mince pie of the season :D | 21:15 |
| diddledan_ | :-o | 21:22 |
| diddledan_ | far too early! | 21:22 |
| diddledan_ | next thing you'll be eating xmas pud | 21:22 |
| * daftykins drops a spoon | 21:27 | |
| * diddledan_ spoons | 21:27 | |
| ali1234 | wow, a patch i sent to AOSP got pulled after 2 years :) | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | i totally forgot about it | 23:02 |
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