=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === mapps is now known as mapppps === mapppps is now known as mapps [05:25] windows 7 will no longer be allowed to be sold on PCs as of October 31st 2016 [05:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yszTYz_YznE [05:28] : [05:28] D [05:28] there's eng subs also [06:12] morning all [07:25] hey everyone [07:26] hey knightwise [07:27] hey mapps, how are you :) [07:27] not bad pal [07:28] got internet again finally! [07:28] had it for a week then it died;9 [07:34] you fell off the broadband planet ? [07:36] yea:P [07:37] now im back in the game [07:37] my tv uses my internet.i get sky/uk chans/beIN:D [07:41] like Sergei Lahov said " if it looks like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist , if it soeaks like a terorist -- it's a terrosit" [08:50] Aloha [08:52] howdy [09:07] so many spies [09:07] people ask of my facebook and twitter [09:08] but its wothless to most - i speak russian on facebook and twitter is 50/50 [09:09] no use for them at all:D [09:12] I'm going to buy a USB 3.1 card. should I buy one with type A ports or type C ports? [09:15] well nothing uses type c yet, but you may need it in the future [09:15] but i can just use an adapter right? [09:15] I have no idea [09:15] by the time type C stuff is common i will probably have a new computer with type C ports [09:17] I remember that it took an age just for usb to take off, so give it about 5 years, and then you'll need something with a type c connector [09:17] (please bear in mind that I could be very very wrong) [09:28] Morning all [09:29] howdy davmor2 [09:33] * zmoylan-pi remembers all the usb ports on 486 systems for years before win95b staggered along and started using them... ;-) [09:36] USB 1.0... [09:37] of course by then i had a super cheap pc so i needed to find a pci card to add usb ports to my amd k6-2 system... [09:40] but when my boss spent a fortune on a 128mb usb drive it became the most used bit of hardware in the office overnight [09:41] and this is the monstrosity of a song stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM [09:41] 128M? I couldn't even fit my po^H^H photos on there [09:41] even if i had to install drivers for every pc in the office to use it from a zip drive/cd [09:41] last week i picked up a 64gb for €25 [09:42] SuperMatt: You have photos of pooh, what about tigger and piglet? [09:42] impulse purchase at newsagents... [09:42] don't be silly, he's not interested in silly antics of tigger and piglet [09:51] you don't know me! [09:53] * zmoylan-pi would have put you down as an eeyore fan... :-) [09:55] is it because I'm so depressed? [09:55] who doesn't like a good donkey? [09:59] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oholah_and_Oholibah [10:17] Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃 [10:21] JamesTait: I present you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s [10:21] the worlds worst sandwich I doubt even popey would eat one [10:23] Vegemite! [10:24] Ooh! Good idea. Marmite for breakfast [10:25] beetroot sandwiches ::spits:: [10:25] popey: Vegemite is like Marmite evil twin [10:25] meh [10:25] http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/132464560327/sneaking-a-bottle-of-water-into-the-datacenter [10:25] popey: it's even worse when you don't like Marmite trust me [10:27] morning boys and girls. [10:27] davmor2, how can yo not like Marmite? 😝 [10:28] JamesTait: Well it starts with having tastebuds [10:30] choosing not to eat something that was designed to use up the waste from another industrial process... [10:31] So, you don't like crunchy bites either? [10:32] if i want crunchy i'll chuck a few rashers on my sandwich like god didn't intend :-) [10:33] :) [10:37] zmoylan-pi: if god didn't intend it he wouldn't of made pigs from bacon ;) [10:37] marmite is just matured earwax [10:40] i need someone to block betfair [10:40] make me a script i can install [10:40] * mapps is an addict [10:41] add it to block list on your router? [10:41] but i can bypas it [10:41] i know i have a problem that why i ask [10:42] i wont be posting on instagram or facebuuk [10:42] im struggling [10:43] you're technical, no matter what we suggest, you'll know how to bypass it [10:43] ^this [10:43] true [10:43] what ca i do [10:44] gamblers anonymous? [10:44] never [10:45] im a loser sure - i just need some help [10:45] isn't it better to talk with people who have dealt with the same problem? [10:45] basically [10:46] hsbc an barclays told me i cant get anymore credit [10:46] there are councillors who could help 1 on 1 but more expensive [10:46] and ive been gambling it all away [10:46] mapps: you just need a script that plays this every time you go to the site https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE [10:47] i owe 27.5k to mbna [10:47] and 15k to hsbc [10:47] every month [10:48] i hope for a good month..and lose it all [10:48] you know this to be true, that gambling got you into this hole and it is not going to get you out [10:48] i had £1900 on chelea to get me out of thi [10:48] and it didnt [10:48] Citizens advice bureua, that's all I can advise really [10:49] ^this [10:49] mapps: serious you need to get help [10:49] i know [10:49] they are there to help. looking for help here is a sign you want to change but you need to talk to people who can offer more than ideas and moral support [10:49] i cant cope much more with repayments [10:50] mapps: no you don't need to shrug it off with I know, you need to go get help! [10:50] i have to pay about 2500 a month on debts [10:51] Good morning peeps :) [10:51] hey bigcalm [10:51] i was paying about €500 a month around 2000, could barely make those payment. took a few years to dig myself out of debt [10:51] o/ [10:51] yea i can pay just [10:53] you just have to try and add a few extra bob every 2nd month and after a few months you'll see the monthly payments start to decrease till every month you have a little more. of course you have to stop the outgoings [10:53] im not a stupid guy -- it just went all wrong [10:54] people who are addicts are not fools, they're just vulnerable to bad ideas they know are bad [10:55] but i have them all? [10:55] i smoke..i drin..i gamble [10:55] “The mind commands the body and is instantly obeyed. The mind commands itself and meets resistance.” [10:56] i need uni again [10:57] at uni i was less bad [10:57] you need to go and live on an island were there's no drink, tobacco or gambling. but that's not an option. you have to be that island [10:57] yea [10:57] the only one who can stop you is you [10:58] agreed [10:58] and also accept that ulmtimately you lose with galmbling [10:58] * bashrc wonders if he accidentally subscribed to #philosophy [10:58] cut losses and run away [10:58] but always remember callahans law, 'shared pain lessens, shared joy increases, thus we refute entropy' [10:59] my local screen session is laggy :( [10:59] irritating mbna gave me a limit of £25k what happened [10:59] i blew most of it [10:59] be happy they didn't give you a bigger limit [10:59] i used to be so happy before [10:59] do gamblers ever quit by themselves? [11:00] most need external help i expect [11:00] its this damn gamblin [11:00] probably, but they would be the rareity [11:01] im lucky [11:01] ina way [11:01] not at the moment you're not [11:01] my dad transferred my rent money [11:01] dependng on luck is a sure way to failure as it will run out [11:01] to his account [11:02] because again [11:02] my rents £1200 [11:02] i just manage t [11:02] can you find somewhere cheaper to live? [11:02] * mapps slaps NET||abu- around a bit with a large trout [11:02] sorry] [11:02] in spain yea [11:02] even if you switched to e-cigs rather than smoking it would save a bundle [11:03] but i dont want to [11:03] yes you do, you complained about it earlier [11:03] i have a drink problem too though [11:03] you might see it as the lesser of drinking and gambling but you still mentioned it [11:03] is it possible to buy radiator valves (or something) which Nest can use to only heat the room I'm in? [11:03] so i wanna be close to work] [11:03] irritating heating the whole house when I'm only in one room all day [11:04] i just wear heavier jumpers laney :-) [11:04] it all went downhilll 12 years ago [11:05] and only you can turn it around mapps [11:05] i have no excuse now its me [11:05] yea [11:05] but you CAN get better [11:05] hey laney [11:05] were your lights flickering this morning? [11:06] hi ali1234 [11:06] creepy question... [11:06] unlikely innit:) [11:06] don't think so [11:06] il bloody sort this out and then drop dead zmoylan-pi [11:06] mapps: only unlikely if you do nothing [11:06] mine were. about 7:30 to 8:00 [11:07] maybe but then you won't owe a penny to nobody mapps and that feels wonderful, trust me on that [11:07] must just be the substation [11:07] or my fuse box [11:08] i hope so zmoylan-p [11:08] but [11:08] * zmoylan-pi remembers going to post office to pay last credit bill last bit of dosh i owed... :-) [11:08] it wont hapen for m [11:08] m [11:08] ali1234: pfff Laney is still in bed coding now you don't think he is up at that ungodly hour do you ;) [11:08] me damn [11:08] it can and will if you set your mind to it mapps [11:08] never ill sadly [11:09] only if you refuse to let yourself from helping yourself mapps [11:09] ive been here 14 months noones come to see me [11:09] contact gamblers anonymous, what's the worst that could happen? [11:09] an hour or two away from temptation? [11:10] well loneliness is the cause of many problems [11:10] i just have no friends or family sadly [11:10] try ga, you might make friends there [11:10] friends who are in the same boat you are [11:12] i try and do my spanish learning [11:13] but i get bored:( [11:13] get out, meet people, the more time you are out of the house the less time you have to go online and gamble [11:14] 1) today find were the gambling addict resources near you are, 2) tomorrow is about working up the courage to go. but today concentrate on (1) [11:14] little steps [11:15] i agree [11:15] i assume its little little in gib [11:16] military base nearby, i'd suspect not [11:17] man i suck..my spanish is bad.my russians bad...all i do is hold a job down [11:17] that's a start [11:17] now build on it [11:17] :D [11:18] of course the first castle might fall over and catch fire in the swamp but keep going :-) [11:18] lol [11:19] right time for me to head to library to try and get distraction free zone to learn python... o/ [11:22] zmoylan-pi: Oh that's easy, it's hiss, hiss, hiss, hiiiiissssss, hiss, hiss, hissssssssssssss [11:23] i thought that was asp for 'bite you where?!' [12:24] Hey, how is everyone! [12:29] hi friend [12:30] how have things been in #ubuntu-uk land? [12:42] not bad [12:42] :D [12:43] :) [13:00] does firefox not restore previous session by default any more? [13:06] ah, foudn it [13:25] morning [13:28] morning [13:29] omg...I just found an amazing button on my new monitors [13:29] they support 4xPBP 2k...I could emulate 16 2k monitors o.O [13:30] blimey [13:31] I think the 2k is downscaled to 1080 though, so it's a little pixelated [13:31] but yea, if I had a mountain of GPUs and used DP + 3x HDMI, I could have 16 "monitors" [13:31] this would kick ass with a synergy setup and multiple machines though [13:32] isn't 1920x1080 2k anyway? [13:32] diddledan_: people generally refer to 1440p as 2k, but yea I can see your point === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:31] Hmm, I am running backups on my machine, I have the program doing the backups set to nice -n 19 ionice -c3, yet the whole machine continually goes really slow, like 15+ seconds to load a terminal sometimes. Load average is like >9, any ideas? [14:42] i spotted a £150 IPS HannsG 2560x1440 today for someone, could be neat if they read their email... :> [14:43] oh 27" too [14:51] Azelphur: What are you using to backup your machine? What software and backup medium? [14:51] lopta: attic [14:52] and a local server [14:53] Azelphur: Over gigabit Ethernet? [14:53] 100 [14:53] eww [14:53] I'm not familiar with Attic. [14:53] Azelphur: nice 8 port gigabit switch on amazon black friday for £14 today :P === GazzaK is now known as Gary [14:53] Netgear one [14:54] daftykins: black friday? wat that's not till later this month [14:54] actually it's weeks long now [14:54] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00AWM7PKO [14:56] daftykins: stuck it on my purse wishlist, I get it for £7 :P [14:56] ^_^ what on earth is a purse wishlist o0 [14:56] daftykins: basically I set up a wishlist on Amazon, I list it on purse and say "I'll pay you X BTC if you buy this stuff for me" [14:57] X BTC is generally between 50-80% of the value of the items [14:57] oh ok [14:57] you and your funny money ;D [14:57] :) [14:57] my funny money is going nuts atm [14:58] again? [14:58] what's especially funny about me saying that is normally it's Guernsey bank notes getting laughed at [14:58] yup, gone up almost $100 in the past few days [14:58] is that a standard original or some kind of sub-named variant once more? [14:59] wat [14:59] all the *coin names they spun off [15:00] you mean is purse an altcoin? no it's a service that uses Bitcoin [15:00] I don't really buy into the whole altcoin thing === GazzaK is now known as Gary [15:01] nah the current value gaining coin type you're referring to [15:02] nope, that's plain old Bitcoin [15:02] ah ok :> [15:02] http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg10ztgTzm1g10zm2g25 it's a good day to be holding Bitcoin :P [15:21] Wowzer [15:21] I was going to buy some last week [15:24] did it break 400 yet? [15:24] sell now! [15:26] i already sold today [15:28] ali1234: my boss is getting screwed by this it's kinda funny, he didn't pay me on time yet still owes me BTC @ $254 [15:28] last time I calculated it was like $1300 this is gonna cost him [15:30] :D [15:35] what job do u do Azelphur [15:35] foobarry: I'm a developer === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [16:40] people are moaning about linus again: http://news.softpedia.com/news/linus-torvalds-attacks-the-work-of-kernel-developer-with-hash-language-again-495636.shtml [16:41] Is he turning into RMS? Required but ignored [16:42] diddledan_: People clearly don't know enough about writing good code [16:43] i see folk wanting to follow the UOS from the comfort of their fine FOSS distro are coming up against requiring the flash player? [16:43] is the irony there wasted on anyone? :D [16:45] I think that's the problem of all dictatorships. Once a project gets big I think who is doing the maintaining should be subject to vote [16:45] he produces code AND administers a huge important software project. he comes from a culture were they use all the words [16:45] by his own admission, I don't think linus writes kernel code anymore [16:46] yeah i read he doesn't write [16:47] if he's personally reviewing the code patches submitted then he is producing code as he judges it [16:47] reviewing patches != writing code [16:48] it is to my mind [16:48] he is adding something [16:48] he's acting as an editor [16:48] it's like the -2000 lines of code... http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt&sub=HN0 [16:49] as a developer and reviewer myself I can say it's much easier to criticise code in review than to write it [16:49] true but i still would let him have his rant if he wishes [16:50] submitting even a one line patch can sometimes take a lot of research [16:50] some of the hardest edits i have done to code has resulted in 1 day = 1 line of code [16:56] ugh a client wants to drive 2 x 2560x1440 res screens from a laptop and wants me to find one with a budget of £300-400 [16:56] what a joke! [16:57] some fresnel a4 sized lens stuck to a chromebook... :-) [17:02] he's honestly dreaming [17:03] or inserting the earbuds too deep... :-) [17:14] I know someone who used to use a fresnel lens while playing flight sims [17:18] sheesh [17:18] they used to sell them in 60s to make your tv bigger [17:18] this traslating is tough [17:30] well well, displayport multistream hubs seem to be the trick - http://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-DisplayPort-Multi-Stream-Transport/dp/B00XXPYGPO/ [17:34] o_O [17:35] beats buying displays with the two sockets built in [17:36] Azelphur: you haven't got an 'xrandr' kicking around for your new toys have you? :) [17:48] that pesky word unlimited strikes again... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/microsoft-drops-unlimited-onedrive-storage-after-people-use-it-for-unlimited-storage/ [17:49] aye [17:49] I saw that a little while ago [17:49] they've also made apple icloud a cheaper option for storage on windows than microsoft's own offering [17:49] every time that happens they should administer beatings to the marketing department to make it not happen again... :-P [17:53] oldie to newbie: "don't ever end up like fred".. newbie: "why what happened to fred?" oldie: "he used the word 'unlimited'. he was seen going into the ceo's office and he never came out..." === kittens is now known as Guest70694 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:23] daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13093671/ [18:25] ty sir [19:17] I wonder what OS apple use in their datacentres? [19:18] would be silly to use OS X because that's not a server OS and windows is made by a rival so they'd not want to use that and linux is not OS X so they won't want to use that [19:19] maybe they'll use the bsd userland on top of mach but not the full os x [19:19] i.e. no gfx [19:19] no desktop etc. [19:28] a mate who works for them in London told me most of their gear used to be run from mac minis =| [19:28] cringe++ [19:29] hi all; I just upgraded from 15.04 -> 15.10, but it's no longer booting into graphical environment :( [19:29] daftykins: http://www.macminicolo.net/ [19:29] marshmn: tried appending 'nomodeset' to kernel boot params? [19:29] your drivers might have been killed [19:29] (if you need any) [19:29] original install was ubuntugnome [19:29] daftykins: ok, will try [19:29] machine is Dell XPS 15 laptop [19:32] is the correct way to append that to hit 'e' at the grub menu? [19:32] and then add it to the bottom of the list in the editor it gives me? [19:32] then hit F10? [19:32] if you do that you need to find the right line [19:33] it'll start with "linux" [19:33] is there an easier way? [19:34] nope [19:34] it's a manual edit. [19:34] ah yeah that sounds like the one with the nvidia graphics [19:35] it has Nvidia and IntelHD [19:35] TBH, I thought I was only using the intel chipset [19:35] yeah optimus machine [19:35] so, add 'nomodeset' to the end of the linux line after hitting e? [19:35] and then just hit F10? [19:37] where it says 'quiet splash' , add it before or after [19:37] yep F10 or ctrl+x i think [19:38] ok, so I've done that - now I just get a blank screen [19:38] I get the ubuntu logo with animated dots first [19:39] then after a few seconds blank screen [19:39] before adding that, it was dumping me out to console mode with messages [19:39] but now just blank screen [19:39] some may remember I moaned about a wonky 24inch monitor - turns out that some of the capacitors in the power supply were bulging so it may be just a case of replacing those to fix it - Dad's ordered some so we'll see. [19:41] if I take that back out, so that I can get back to the messages it gives on the console, it gets as far as "[OK] Reached target Basic System." [19:41] then the next line looks garbled: [19:41] marshmn: so you got a working TTY? [19:41] diddledan_: :D i like those fixes [19:42] "[OK] Started LSB: Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures....ut down..... [19:42] my brother stubbornly ignored my advice on checking ebay for even a full straight up PSU swap [19:42] daftykins: I can get to a working TTY with Ctrl+F1 [19:42] well, F2 [19:42] ah ok, log in and do a "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" [19:42] see if any are installed at all [19:43] yes, there are a few things for that [19:43] such as nvidia-346 [19:43] sudo apt-get purge nvidia* [19:43] then reboot [19:43] oh [19:43] check there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf before reboot too [19:46] there is xorg.conf.0 [19:46] should I leave that or remove? [19:46] nah that one is ok [19:47] as long as /etc/X11/xorg.conf itself doesn't exist, that should be set - so reboot now [19:47] ok, rebooting [19:47] hard to work in console mode on a 4k screen :/ [19:47] still same on reboot [19:48] same console output as I wrote above [19:48] oh, no, actually [19:48] it seemed to get beyond target "System Initialization" [19:48] is that before or after "Basic System"? [19:49] last message before garbled line is now "[OK] Listening on CUPS Scheduler" [19:51] hmm [19:51] and nothing from all ctrl+alt+Fx combos? F1 through F12 that is [19:52] I see normal TTY login prompts on F1 through to F6 [19:52] on F7 I just see the console output [19:52] nothing else [19:53] does that thing have wired LAN? [19:53] Xorg.log? [19:53] or a USB adapter capable of [19:53] yeah Xorg log or lightdm troubleshooting would be next i'd think [19:54] if you can get it online i'd "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" [19:54] I have a USB network adapter if need be [19:55] yeah that should work [19:56] actually, wifi still appears to work [19:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/13094447/ [19:57] weird, assuming that log is dated with a sensible timestamp to be right now, that seems to have come up just fine [19:58] how can I tell whether I'm using gdm or lightdm? [19:58] and is it worth me trying the other, whichever it is? [20:00] hmm i forget the file that suggests it, no idea what gnome uses [20:01] you could check for running services and see which one is up [20:01] gdm is running [20:01] lightdm is not [20:01] probably depends now how much time you want to put in, could keep digging into logs or just nuke it with a clean 15.10 and restore your /home from backup if it's not on a separate partition [20:01] is that likely to work? [20:02] if a 15.10 live session works yeah, it's probably just the upgrade that's gone nuts [20:02] :/ [20:02] might not hurt to ensure it fully completed with a "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade" [20:02] I guess I'll have to download that and try it [20:02] how can I try lightdm? [20:02] (just in case) [20:02] i don't think that'd be a worthy approach [20:02] ok [20:03] now nouveau is back in use instead of nvidia proprietary, nomodeset might be of more use again too [20:03] so maybe try that again? ok [20:04] nope, no dice [20:04] just blank screen with that again [20:05] I didn't really want to have to start from scratch since I'd gotten everything set up nicely how I want it :/ [20:05] but if that's what I have to do then I guess I have no choice [20:05] most of the config will be in your home folder so if you retain that you should only have to reinstall any extra applications [20:05] ^ [20:06] it could be a 15.10 kernel + optimus quirk [20:06] my experience level definitely isn't high enough to troubleshoot properly [20:06] * daftykins pats Windows and ducks [20:06] windows ftw? [20:07] well, i think all OSs suck equally still :D [20:07] I didn't really care too much about getting 15.10 - I only upgraded because it prompted me to :/ [20:07] wish I'd not bothered... [20:08] now I've just made myself a world of pain [20:09] i shall avoid speaking of backups so i don't get a sharp jab to the side :> [20:09] I have backups, that's not an issue [20:09] but still, I now need to download 15.10 image [20:09] * diddledan_ pokes daftykins with a pokey thing [20:09] pokey poke poke [20:09] next issue is that I don't have a USB stick to hand to put it on [20:10] so it might be 24 hours before I get it all sorted [20:10] yeah if i were upgrading and had the time i'd probably clonezilla disk image a machine prior :) [20:10] then it'd just be a case of throwing it back on and it'd be like travelling back in time [20:12] thanks for your help anyway [20:14] np :) [20:15] I'll just sulk & play some Go for now and deal with it later :) [20:37] daftykins: switching to lightdm seems to have fixed it :) [20:37] bit weird o0 [20:37] you may want the nvidia driver back on ultimately too [20:38] yea [20:39] nvidia-352 being the newest in 15.10 repos [20:39] i think [20:44] xubuntu users based in EU: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3r9f52/looking_for_xubuntu_users_for_academic_research/ [20:44] get paid to xubuntu/xfce [20:44] sidi is a cool guy [20:45] but you have to use chromium [20:48] know anyone who might be interested? [20:48] can't remember the xfce users in here [20:48] only me [20:48] but... i don't want to use chromium [20:49] There's a -355 version of the nvidia driver in a PPA [20:50] marshmn had the black screen lightdm problem? [20:51] i had that today and fixed it, but might be different scenario [20:51] I had an issue when using gdm - on upgrade to 15.10 with gdm it was failing to switch into graphical mode [20:51] switching from gdm to lightdm seems to have resolved that [20:53] ah ok. there were lots of words, didn't read them all [20:54] doing a market research survey that asks about interesting tech startups - anyone think of any new small ones? [20:55] there's so many that i can't think of one [21:03] :) [21:15] just murdered my first mince pie of the season :D [21:22] :-o [21:22] far too early! [21:22] next thing you'll be eating xmas pud [21:27] * daftykins drops a spoon [21:27] * diddledan_ spoons [23:02] wow, a patch i sent to AOSP got pulled after 2 years :) [23:02] i totally forgot about it