[05:25] <daftykins> windows 7 will no longer be allowed to be sold on PCs as of October 31st 2016
[05:27] <mapps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yszTYz_YznE
[05:28] <mapps> :
[05:28] <mapps> D
[05:28] <mapps> there's eng subs also
[06:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:25] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:26] <mapps> hey knightwise
[07:27] <knightwise> hey mapps, how are you :)
[07:27] <mapps> not bad pal
[07:28] <mapps> got internet again finally!
[07:28] <mapps> had it for a week then it died;9
[07:34] <knightwise> you fell off the broadband planet ?
[07:36] <mapps> yea:P
[07:37] <mapps> now im back in the game
[07:37] <mapps> my tv uses my internet.i get sky/uk chans/beIN:D
[07:41] <mapps> like Sergei Lahov said " if it looks like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist , if it soeaks like a terorist -- it's a terrosit"
[08:50] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:52] <MooDoo> howdy
[09:07] <mapps> so many spies
[09:07] <mapps> people ask of my facebook and twitter
[09:08] <mapps> but its wothless to most - i speak russian on facebook and twitter is 50/50
[09:09] <mapps> no use for them at all:D
[09:12] <ali1234> I'm going to buy a USB 3.1 card. should I buy one with type A ports or type C ports?
[09:15] <SuperMatt> well nothing uses type c yet, but you may need it in the future
[09:15] <ali1234> but i can just use an adapter right?
[09:15] <SuperMatt> I have no idea
[09:15] <ali1234> by the time type C stuff is common i will probably have a new computer with type C ports
[09:17] <SuperMatt> I remember that it took an age just for usb to take off, so give it about 5 years, and then you'll need something with a type c connector
[09:17] <SuperMatt> (please bear in mind that I could be very very wrong)
[09:28] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:29] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[09:33]  * zmoylan-pi remembers all the usb ports on 486 systems for years before win95b staggered along and started using them... ;-)
[09:36] <ali1234> USB 1.0...
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> of course by then i had a super cheap pc so i needed to find a pci card to add usb ports to my amd k6-2 system...
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> but when my boss spent a fortune on a 128mb usb drive it became the most used bit of hardware in the office overnight
[09:41] <davmor2> and this is the monstrosity of a song stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM
[09:41] <SuperMatt> 128M? I couldn't even fit my po^H^H photos on there
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> even if i had to install drivers for every pc in the office to use it from a zip drive/cd
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> last week i picked up a 64gb for €25
[09:42] <davmor2> SuperMatt: You have photos of pooh, what about tigger and piglet?
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> impulse purchase at newsagents...
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> don't be silly, he's not interested in silly antics of tigger and piglet
[09:51] <SuperMatt> you don't know me!
[09:53]  * zmoylan-pi would have put you down as an eeyore fan... :-)
[09:55] <SuperMatt> is it because I'm so depressed?
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> who doesn't like a good donkey?
[09:59] <SuperMatt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oholah_and_Oholibah
[10:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃
[10:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: I present you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s
[10:21] <davmor2> the worlds worst sandwich I doubt even popey would eat one
[10:23] <JamesTait> Vegemite!
[10:24] <popey> Ooh! Good idea. Marmite for breakfast
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> beetroot sandwiches ::spits::
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: Vegemite is like Marmite evil twin
[10:25] <popey> meh
[10:25] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/132464560327/sneaking-a-bottle-of-water-into-the-datacenter
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: it's even worse when you don't like Marmite trust me
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:27] <JamesTait> davmor2, how can yo not like Marmite? 😝
[10:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: Well it starts with having tastebuds
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> choosing not to eat something that was designed to use up the waste from another industrial process...
[10:31] <JamesTait> So, you don't like crunchy bites either?
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> if i want crunchy i'll chuck a few rashers on my sandwich like god didn't intend :-)
[10:33] <MooDoo> :)
[10:37] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: if god didn't intend it he wouldn't of made pigs from bacon ;)
[10:37] <foobarry> marmite is just matured earwax
[10:40] <mapps> i need someone to block betfair
[10:40] <mapps> make me a script i can install
[10:40]  * mapps is an addict
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> add it to block list on your router?
[10:41] <mapps> but i can bypas it
[10:41] <mapps> i know i have a problem that why i ask
[10:42] <mapps> i wont be posting on instagram or facebuuk
[10:42] <mapps> im struggling
[10:43] <MooDoo> you're technical, no matter what we suggest, you'll know how to bypass it
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[10:43] <mapps> true
[10:43] <mapps> what ca i do
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> gamblers anonymous?
[10:44] <mapps> never
[10:45] <mapps> im a loser sure - i just need some help
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> isn't it better to talk with people who have dealt with the same problem?
[10:45] <mapps> basically
[10:46] <mapps> hsbc an barclays told me i cant get anymore credit
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> there are councillors who could help 1 on 1 but more expensive
[10:46] <mapps> and ive been gambling it all away
[10:46] <davmor2> mapps: you just need a script that plays this every time you go to the site https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE
[10:47] <mapps> i owe 27.5k to mbna
[10:47] <mapps> and 15k to hsbc
[10:47] <mapps> every month
[10:48] <mapps> i hope for a good month..and lose it all
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> you know this to be true, that gambling got you into this hole and it is not going to get you out
[10:48] <mapps> i had £1900 on chelea to get me out of thi
[10:48] <mapps> and it didnt
[10:48] <MooDoo> Citizens advice bureua, that's all I can advise really
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[10:49] <davmor2> mapps: serious you need to get help
[10:49] <mapps> i know
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> they are there to help.  looking for help here is a sign you want to change but you need to talk to people who can offer more than ideas and moral support
[10:49] <mapps> i cant cope much more with repayments
[10:50] <davmor2> mapps: no you don't need to shrug it off with I know, you need to go get help!
[10:50] <mapps> i have to pay about 2500 a month on debts
[10:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:51] <mapps> hey bigcalm
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> i was paying about €500 a month around 2000, could barely make those payment. took a few years to dig myself out of debt
[10:51] <bigcalm> o/
[10:51] <mapps> yea i can pay just
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> you just have to try and add a few extra bob every 2nd month and after a few months you'll see the monthly payments start to decrease till every month you have a little more.  of course you have to stop the outgoings
[10:53] <mapps> im not a stupid guy -- it just  went all wrong
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> people who are addicts are not fools, they're just vulnerable to bad ideas they know are bad
[10:55] <mapps> but i have them all?
[10:55] <mapps> i smoke..i drin..i gamble
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> “The mind commands the body and is instantly obeyed. The mind commands itself and meets resistance.”
[10:56] <mapps> i need uni again
[10:57] <mapps> at uni i was less bad
[10:57] <zmoylan-pi> you need to go and live on an island were there's no drink, tobacco or gambling.  but that's not an option.  you have to be that island
[10:57] <mapps> yea
[10:57] <zmoylan-pi> the only one who can stop you is you
[10:58] <mapps> agreed
[10:58] <foobarry> and also accept that ulmtimately you lose with galmbling
[10:58]  * bashrc wonders if he accidentally subscribed to #philosophy
[10:58] <foobarry> cut losses and run away
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> but always remember callahans law, 'shared pain lessens, shared joy increases, thus we refute entropy'
[10:59] <foobarry> my local screen session is laggy :(
[10:59] <mapps> irritating mbna gave me a limit of £25k what happened
[10:59] <mapps> i blew most of it
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> be happy they didn't give you a bigger limit
[10:59] <mapps> i used to be so happy before
[10:59] <foobarry> do gamblers ever quit by themselves?
[11:00] <foobarry> most need external help i expect
[11:00] <mapps> its this damn gamblin
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> probably, but they would be the rareity
[11:01] <mapps> im lucky
[11:01] <mapps> ina way
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> not at the moment you're not
[11:01] <mapps> my dad transferred my rent money
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> dependng on luck is a sure way to failure as it will run out
[11:01] <mapps> to his account
[11:02] <mapps> because again
[11:02] <mapps> my rents £1200
[11:02] <mapps> i just manage t
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> can you find somewhere cheaper to live?
[11:02]  * mapps slaps NET||abu- around a bit with a large trout
[11:02] <mapps> sorry]
[11:02] <mapps> in spain yea
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> even if you switched to e-cigs rather than smoking it would save a bundle
[11:03] <mapps> but i dont want to
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> yes you do, you complained about it earlier
[11:03] <mapps> i have a drink problem too though
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> you might see it as the lesser of drinking and gambling but you still mentioned it
[11:03] <Laney> is it possible to buy radiator valves (or something) which Nest can use to only heat the room I'm in?
[11:03] <mapps> so i wanna be close to work]
[11:03] <Laney> irritating heating the whole house when I'm only in one room all day
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> i just wear heavier jumpers laney :-)
[11:04] <mapps> it all went downhilll 12 years ago
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> and only you can turn it around mapps
[11:05] <mapps> i have no excuse now its me
[11:05] <mapps> yea
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> but you CAN get better
[11:05] <ali1234> hey laney
[11:05] <ali1234> were your lights flickering this morning?
[11:06] <Laney> hi ali1234
[11:06] <Laney> creepy question...
[11:06] <mapps> unlikely innit:)
[11:06] <Laney> don't think so
[11:06] <mapps> il bloody sort this out and then drop dead zmoylan-pi
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> mapps: only unlikely if you do nothing
[11:06] <ali1234> mine were. about 7:30 to 8:00
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> maybe but then you won't owe a penny to nobody mapps and that feels wonderful, trust me on that
[11:07] <ali1234> must just be the substation
[11:07] <ali1234> or my fuse box
[11:08] <mapps> i hope so zmoylan-p
[11:08] <mapps> but
[11:08]  * zmoylan-pi remembers going to post office to pay last credit bill last bit of dosh i owed... :-)
[11:08] <mapps> it wont hapen for m
[11:08] <mapps> m
[11:08] <davmor2> ali1234: pfff Laney is still in bed coding now you don't think he is up at that ungodly hour do you ;)
[11:08] <mapps> me damn
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> it can and will if you set your mind to it mapps
[11:08] <mapps> never ill sadly
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> only if you refuse to let yourself from helping yourself mapps
[11:09] <mapps> ive been here 14 months noones come to see me
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> contact gamblers anonymous, what's the worst that could happen?
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> an hour or two away from temptation?
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> well loneliness is the cause of many problems
[11:10] <mapps> i just have no friends or family sadly
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> try ga, you might make friends there
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> friends who are in the same boat you are
[11:12] <mapps> i try and do my spanish learning
[11:13] <mapps> but i get bored:(
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> get out, meet people, the more time you are out of the house the less time you have to go online and gamble
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> 1) today find were the gambling addict resources near you are, 2) tomorrow is about working up the courage to go.  but today concentrate on (1)
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> little steps
[11:15] <mapps> i agree
[11:15] <mapps> i assume its little little in gib
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> military base nearby, i'd suspect not
[11:17] <mapps> man i suck..my spanish is bad.my russians bad...all i do is hold a job down
[11:17] <zmoylan-pi> that's a start
[11:17] <zmoylan-pi> now build on it
[11:17] <mapps> :D
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> of course the first castle might fall over and catch fire in the swamp but keep going :-)
[11:18] <mapps> lol
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> right time for me to head to library to try and get distraction free zone to learn python... o/
[11:22] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: Oh that's easy, it's hiss, hiss, hiss, hiiiiissssss, hiss, hiss, hissssssssssssss
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> i thought that was asp for 'bite you where?!'
[12:24] <Gary> Hey, how is everyone!
[12:29] <mapps> hi friend
[12:30] <Gary> how have things been in #ubuntu-uk land?
[12:42] <mapps> not bad
[12:42] <mapps> :D
[12:43] <MooDoo> :)
[13:00] <foobarry> does firefox not restore previous session by default any more?
[13:06] <foobarry> ah, foudn it
[13:25] <diddledan_> morning
[13:28] <MooDoo> morning
[13:29] <Azelphur> omg...I just found an amazing button on my new monitors
[13:29] <Azelphur> they support 4xPBP 2k...I could emulate 16 2k monitors o.O
[13:30] <popey> blimey
[13:31] <Azelphur> I think the 2k is downscaled to 1080 though, so it's a little pixelated
[13:31] <Azelphur> but yea, if I had a mountain of GPUs and used DP + 3x HDMI, I could have 16 "monitors"
[13:31] <Azelphur> this would kick ass with a synergy setup and multiple machines though
[13:32] <diddledan_> isn't 1920x1080 2k anyway?
[13:32] <Azelphur> diddledan_: people generally refer to 1440p as 2k, but yea I can see your point
[14:31] <Azelphur> Hmm, I am running backups on my machine, I have the program doing the backups set to nice -n 19 ionice -c3, yet the whole machine continually goes really slow, like 15+ seconds to load a terminal sometimes. Load average is like >9, any ideas?
[14:42] <daftykins> i spotted a £150 IPS HannsG 2560x1440 today for someone, could be neat if they read their email... :>
[14:43] <daftykins> oh 27" too
[14:51] <lopta> Azelphur: What are you using to backup your machine? What software and backup medium?
[14:51] <Azelphur> lopta: attic
[14:52] <Azelphur> and a local server
[14:53] <lopta> Azelphur: Over gigabit Ethernet?
[14:53] <Azelphur> 100
[14:53] <daftykins> eww
[14:53] <lopta> I'm not familiar with Attic.
[14:53] <daftykins> Azelphur: nice 8 port gigabit switch on amazon black friday for £14 today :P
[14:53] <daftykins> Netgear one
[14:54] <Azelphur> daftykins: black friday? wat that's not till later this month
[14:54] <daftykins> actually it's weeks long now
[14:54] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00AWM7PKO
[14:56] <Azelphur> daftykins: stuck it on my purse wishlist, I get it for £7 :P
[14:56] <daftykins> ^_^ what on earth is a purse wishlist o0
[14:56] <Azelphur> daftykins: basically I set up a wishlist on Amazon, I list it on purse and say "I'll pay you X BTC if you buy this stuff for me"
[14:57] <Azelphur> X BTC is generally between 50-80% of the value of the items
[14:57] <daftykins> oh ok
[14:57] <daftykins> you and your funny money ;D
[14:57] <Azelphur> :)
[14:57] <Azelphur> my funny money is going nuts atm
[14:58] <daftykins> again?
[14:58] <daftykins> what's especially funny about me saying that is normally it's Guernsey bank notes getting laughed at
[14:58] <Azelphur> yup, gone up almost $100 in the past few days
[14:58] <daftykins> is that a standard original or some kind of sub-named variant once more?
[14:59] <Azelphur> wat
[14:59] <daftykins> all the *coin names they spun off
[15:00] <Azelphur> you mean is purse an altcoin? no it's a service that uses Bitcoin
[15:00] <Azelphur> I don't really buy into the whole altcoin thing
[15:01] <daftykins> nah the current value gaining coin type you're referring to
[15:02] <Azelphur> nope, that's plain old Bitcoin
[15:02] <daftykins> ah ok :>
[15:02] <Azelphur> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg10ztgTzm1g10zm2g25 it's a good day to be holding Bitcoin :P
[15:21] <awilkins> Wowzer
[15:21] <awilkins> I was going to buy some last week
[15:24] <ali1234> did it break 400 yet?
[15:24] <foobarry> sell now!
[15:26] <ali1234> i already sold today
[15:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: my boss is getting screwed by this it's kinda funny, he didn't pay me on time yet still owes me BTC @ $254
[15:28] <Azelphur> last time I calculated it was like $1300 this is gonna cost him
[15:30] <daftykins> :D
[15:35] <foobarry> what job do u do Azelphur
[15:35] <Azelphur> foobarry: I'm a developer
[16:40] <diddledan_> people are moaning about linus again: http://news.softpedia.com/news/linus-torvalds-attacks-the-work-of-kernel-developer-with-hash-language-again-495636.shtml
[16:41] <bigcalm> Is he turning into RMS? Required but ignored
[16:42] <jpds> diddledan_: People clearly don't know enough about writing good code
[16:43] <daftykins> i see folk wanting to follow the UOS from the comfort of their fine FOSS distro are coming up against requiring the flash player?
[16:43] <daftykins> is the irony there wasted on anyone? :D
[16:45] <bashrc> I think that's the problem of all dictatorships. Once a project gets big I think who is doing the maintaining should be subject to vote
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> he produces code AND administers a huge important software project.  he comes from a culture were they use all the words
[16:45] <bashrc> by his own admission, I don't think linus writes kernel code anymore
[16:46] <daftykins> yeah i read he doesn't write
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> if he's personally reviewing the code patches submitted then he is producing code as he judges it
[16:47] <bashrc> reviewing patches != writing code
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> it is to my mind
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> he is adding something
[16:48] <bashrc> he's acting as an editor
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> it's like the -2000 lines of code... http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt&sub=HN0
[16:49] <bashrc> as a developer and reviewer myself I can say it's much easier to criticise code in review than to write it
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> true but i still would let him have his rant if he wishes
[16:50] <bashrc> submitting even a one line patch can sometimes take a lot of research
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> some of the hardest edits i have done to code has resulted in 1 day = 1 line of code
[16:56] <daftykins> ugh a client wants to drive 2 x 2560x1440 res screens from a laptop and wants me to find one with a budget of £300-400
[16:56] <daftykins> what a joke!
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> some fresnel a4 sized lens stuck to a chromebook... :-)
[17:02] <daftykins> he's honestly dreaming
[17:03] <zmoylan-pi> or inserting the earbuds too deep... :-)
[17:14] <popey> I know someone who used to use a fresnel lens while playing flight sims
[17:18] <mapp> sheesh
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> they used to sell them in 60s to make your tv bigger
[17:18] <mapp> this traslating is tough
[17:30] <daftykins> well well, displayport multistream hubs seem to be the trick - http://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-DisplayPort-Multi-Stream-Transport/dp/B00XXPYGPO/
[17:34] <diddledan_> o_O
[17:35] <daftykins> beats buying displays with the two sockets built in
[17:36] <daftykins> Azelphur: you haven't got an 'xrandr' kicking around for your new toys have you? :)
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> that pesky word unlimited strikes again... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/microsoft-drops-unlimited-onedrive-storage-after-people-use-it-for-unlimited-storage/
[17:49] <diddledan_> aye
[17:49] <diddledan_> I saw that a little while ago
[17:49] <diddledan_> they've also made apple icloud a cheaper option for storage on windows than microsoft's own offering
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> every time that happens they should administer beatings to the marketing department to make it not happen again... :-P
[17:53] <diddledan_> oldie to newbie: "don't ever end up like fred".. newbie: "why what happened to fred?" oldie: "he used the word 'unlimited'. he was seen going into the ceo's office and he never came out..."
[18:23] <Azelphur> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13093671/
[18:25] <daftykins> ty sir
[19:17] <diddledan_> I wonder what OS apple use in their datacentres?
[19:18] <diddledan_> would be silly to use OS X because that's not a server OS and windows is made by a rival so they'd not want to use that and linux is not OS X so they won't want to use that
[19:19] <diddledan_> maybe they'll use the bsd userland on top of mach but not the full os x
[19:19] <diddledan_> i.e. no gfx
[19:19] <diddledan_> no desktop etc.
[19:28] <daftykins> a mate who works for them in London told me most of their gear used to be run from mac minis =|
[19:28] <daftykins> cringe++
[19:29] <marshmn> hi all; I just upgraded from 15.04 -> 15.10, but it's no longer booting into graphical environment :(
[19:29] <diddledan_> daftykins: http://www.macminicolo.net/
[19:29] <daftykins> marshmn: tried appending 'nomodeset' to kernel boot params?
[19:29] <daftykins> your drivers might have been killed
[19:29] <daftykins> (if you need any)
[19:29] <marshmn> original install was ubuntugnome
[19:29] <marshmn> daftykins: ok, will try
[19:29] <marshmn> machine is Dell XPS 15 laptop
[19:32] <marshmn> is the correct way to append that to hit 'e' at the grub menu?
[19:32] <marshmn> and then add it to the bottom of the list in the editor it gives me?
[19:32] <marshmn> then hit F10?
[19:32] <diddledan_> if you do that you need to find the right line
[19:33] <diddledan_> it'll start with "linux"
[19:33] <marshmn> is there an easier way?
[19:34] <daftykins> nope
[19:34] <daftykins> it's a manual edit.
[19:34] <daftykins> ah yeah that sounds like the one with the nvidia graphics
[19:35] <marshmn> it has Nvidia and IntelHD
[19:35] <marshmn> TBH, I thought I was only using the intel chipset
[19:35] <daftykins> yeah optimus machine
[19:35] <marshmn> so, add 'nomodeset' to the end of the linux line after hitting e?
[19:35] <marshmn> and then just hit F10?
[19:37] <daftykins> where it says 'quiet splash' , add it before or after
[19:37] <daftykins> yep F10 or ctrl+x i think
[19:38] <marshmn> ok, so I've done that - now I just get a blank screen
[19:38] <marshmn> I get the ubuntu logo with animated dots first
[19:39] <marshmn> then after a few seconds blank screen
[19:39] <marshmn> before adding that, it was dumping me out to console mode with messages
[19:39] <marshmn> but now just blank screen
[19:39] <diddledan_> some may remember I moaned about a wonky 24inch monitor - turns out that some of the capacitors in the power supply were bulging so it may be just a case of replacing those to fix it - Dad's ordered some so we'll see.
[19:41] <marshmn> if I take that back out, so that I can get back to the messages it gives on the console, it gets as far as "[OK] Reached target Basic System."
[19:41] <marshmn> then the next line looks garbled:
[19:41] <daftykins> marshmn: so you got a working TTY?
[19:41] <daftykins> diddledan_: :D i like those fixes
[19:42] <marshmn> "[OK] Started LSB: Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures....ut down.....
[19:42] <daftykins> my brother stubbornly ignored my advice on checking ebay for even a full straight up PSU swap
[19:42] <marshmn> daftykins: I can get to a working TTY with Ctrl+F1
[19:42] <marshmn> well, F2
[19:42] <daftykins> ah ok, log in and do a "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[19:42] <daftykins> see if any are installed at all
[19:43] <marshmn> yes, there are a few things for that
[19:43] <marshmn> such as nvidia-346
[19:43] <daftykins> sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[19:43] <daftykins> then reboot
[19:43] <daftykins> oh
[19:43] <daftykins> check there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf before reboot too
[19:46] <marshmn> there is xorg.conf.0
[19:46] <marshmn> should I leave that or remove?
[19:46] <daftykins> nah that one is ok
[19:47] <daftykins> as long as /etc/X11/xorg.conf itself doesn't exist, that should be set - so reboot now
[19:47] <marshmn> ok, rebooting
[19:47] <marshmn> hard to work in console mode on a 4k screen :/
[19:47] <marshmn> still same on reboot
[19:48] <marshmn> same console output as I wrote above
[19:48] <marshmn> oh, no, actually
[19:48] <marshmn> it seemed to get beyond target "System Initialization"
[19:48] <marshmn> is that before or after "Basic System"?
[19:49] <marshmn> last message before garbled line is now "[OK] Listening on CUPS Scheduler"
[19:51] <daftykins> hmm
[19:51] <daftykins> and nothing from all ctrl+alt+Fx combos? F1 through F12 that is
[19:52] <marshmn> I see normal TTY login prompts on F1 through to F6
[19:52] <marshmn> on F7 I just see the console output
[19:52] <marshmn> nothing else
[19:53] <daftykins> does that thing have wired LAN?
[19:53] <diddledan_> Xorg.log?
[19:53] <daftykins> or a USB adapter capable of
[19:53] <daftykins> yeah Xorg log or lightdm troubleshooting would be next i'd think
[19:54] <daftykins> if you can get it online i'd "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[19:54] <marshmn> I have a USB network adapter if need be
[19:55] <daftykins> yeah that should work
[19:56] <marshmn> actually, wifi still appears to work
[19:56] <marshmn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13094447/
[19:57] <daftykins> weird, assuming that log is dated with a sensible timestamp to be right now, that seems to have come up just fine
[19:58] <marshmn> how can I tell whether I'm using gdm or lightdm?
[19:58] <marshmn> and is it worth me trying the other, whichever it is?
[20:00] <daftykins> hmm i forget the file that suggests it, no idea what gnome uses
[20:01] <daftykins> you could check for running services and see which one is up
[20:01] <marshmn> gdm is running
[20:01] <marshmn> lightdm is not
[20:01] <daftykins> probably depends now how much time you want to put in, could keep digging into logs or just nuke it with a clean 15.10 and restore your /home from backup if it's not on a separate partition
[20:01] <marshmn> is that likely to work?
[20:02] <daftykins> if a 15.10 live session works yeah, it's probably just the upgrade that's gone nuts
[20:02] <marshmn> :/
[20:02] <daftykins> might not hurt to ensure it fully completed with a "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade"
[20:02] <marshmn> I guess I'll have to download that and try it
[20:02] <marshmn> how can I try lightdm?
[20:02] <marshmn> (just in case)
[20:02] <daftykins> i don't think that'd be a worthy approach
[20:02] <marshmn> ok
[20:03] <daftykins> now nouveau is back in use instead of nvidia proprietary, nomodeset might be of more use again too
[20:03] <marshmn> so maybe try that again? ok
[20:04] <marshmn> nope, no dice
[20:04] <marshmn> just blank screen with that again
[20:05] <marshmn> I didn't really want to have to start from scratch since I'd gotten everything set up nicely how I want it :/
[20:05] <marshmn> but if that's what I have to do then I guess I have no choice
[20:05] <diddledan_> most of the config will be in your home folder so if you retain that you should only have to reinstall any extra applications
[20:05] <daftykins> ^
[20:06] <daftykins> it could be a 15.10 kernel + optimus quirk
[20:06] <daftykins> my experience level definitely isn't high enough to troubleshoot properly
[20:06]  * daftykins pats Windows and ducks
[20:06] <diddledan_> windows ftw?
[20:07] <daftykins> well, i think all OSs suck equally still :D
[20:07] <marshmn> I didn't really care too much about getting 15.10 - I only upgraded because it prompted me to :/
[20:07] <marshmn> wish I'd not bothered...
[20:08] <marshmn> now I've just made myself a world of pain
[20:09] <daftykins> i shall avoid speaking of backups so i don't get a sharp jab to the side :>
[20:09] <marshmn> I have backups, that's not an issue
[20:09] <marshmn> but still, I now need to download 15.10 image
[20:09]  * diddledan_ pokes daftykins with a pokey thing
[20:09] <diddledan_> pokey poke poke
[20:09] <marshmn> next issue is that I don't have a USB stick to hand to put it on
[20:10] <marshmn> so it might be 24 hours before I get it all sorted
[20:10] <daftykins> yeah if i were upgrading and had the time i'd probably clonezilla disk image a machine prior :)
[20:10] <daftykins> then it'd just be a case of throwing it back on and it'd be like travelling back in time
[20:12] <marshmn> thanks for your help anyway
[20:14] <daftykins> np :)
[20:15] <marshmn> I'll just sulk & play some Go for now and deal with it later :)
[20:37] <marshmn> daftykins: switching to lightdm seems to have fixed it :)
[20:37] <daftykins> bit weird o0
[20:37] <daftykins> you may want the nvidia driver back on ultimately too
[20:38] <marshmn> yea
[20:39] <daftykins> nvidia-352 being the newest in 15.10 repos
[20:39] <daftykins> i think
[20:44] <foobarry> xubuntu users based in EU: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3r9f52/looking_for_xubuntu_users_for_academic_research/
[20:44] <foobarry> get paid to xubuntu/xfce
[20:44] <ali1234> sidi is a cool guy
[20:45] <ali1234> but you have to use chromium
[20:48] <foobarry> know anyone who might be interested?
[20:48] <foobarry> can't remember the xfce users in here
[20:48] <ali1234> only me
[20:48] <ali1234> but... i don't want to use chromium
[20:49] <awilkins> There's a -355 version of the nvidia driver in a PPA
[20:50] <foobarry> marshmn had the black screen lightdm problem?
[20:51] <foobarry> i had that today and fixed it, but might be different scenario
[20:51] <marshmn> I had an issue when using gdm - on upgrade to 15.10 with gdm it was failing to switch into graphical mode
[20:51] <marshmn> switching from gdm to lightdm seems to have resolved that
[20:53] <foobarry> ah ok. there were lots of words, didn't read them all
[20:54] <foobarry> doing a market research survey that asks about interesting tech startups - anyone think of any new small ones?
[20:55] <ali1234> there's so many that i can't think of one
[21:03] <foobarry> :)
[21:15] <daftykins> just murdered my first mince pie of the season :D
[21:22] <diddledan_> :-o
[21:22] <diddledan_> far too early!
[21:22] <diddledan_> next thing you'll be eating xmas pud
[21:27]  * daftykins drops a spoon
[21:27]  * diddledan_ spoons
[23:02] <ali1234> wow, a patch i sent to AOSP got pulled after 2 years :)
[23:02] <ali1234> i totally forgot about it