[15:56]  * willcooke will update the HO details for people who want to be in the video shortly....#
[16:00] <willcooke> ok, hangout details updates
[16:00] <willcooke> *updated
[16:00] <willcooke> for those of you who want to be in the video....
[16:00] <willcooke> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdE9YG3Rc3RGqTfM8mf5-cDCc8-4MuDU6OpPFZTwdDabk4RxQ?hl=en-GB&authuser=0
[16:02] <elopio> Hello.
[16:04] <willcooke> just getting everything set up....
[16:05] <balloons> starting in 3, 2, 1 . . .
[16:09] <Laney> hi
[16:09] <Laney> what?!?!?!
[16:10] <balloons> we've assigned everything to you, no worries Laney
[16:10] <qengho> Don't we have some real-phone testing? I remember something from ara ~2 weeks ago.
[16:10] <Laney> I just heard something about the HWE stuff
[16:11] <Laney> but didn't catch what was being said
[16:15] <ianorlin> there are also manual tests for servers I don't see run that often on the dailies
[16:17] <willcooke> Laney, you were wondering if we could use the HW Cert tests to gate 16.04
[16:17] <Laney> oh right
[16:17] <Laney> we have this pending -> current thing
[16:17] <Laney> I wonder why you wouldn't hook as much as possible into that
[16:18] <dupingping> about HW cert, 12.04 is wider than 14.04
[16:18] <dupingping> 14.04 will be wider than 16.04?
[16:19] <willcooke> Laney, right -  I don't know what sort of "status" we can get from the HW Cert boxes and if that can be tied in to LP automatically
[16:19] <willcooke> but yes, we should
[16:20]  * Laney nods
[16:27] <Laney> omg
[16:27] <Laney> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/wily/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/wily-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/
[16:27] <Laney> that
[16:27] <Laney> probably lagging behind you
[16:27] <Laney> sorry
[16:28] <Laney> I would make it not spit out an email...
[16:29] <Laney> or, additionally some json file or whatever
[16:29] <Laney> it would need to be triggerable on new images
[16:29] <davmor2> welcome brendand
[16:30] <Laney> let me grab my headphones and come on
[16:30] <willcooke> Laney, thx
[16:30] <Laney> the strange men have left now
[16:52] <wililupy> Thank you.
[16:52] <elopio> bye
[16:52] <balloons> thanks all :-)
[16:53] <brendand> Laney, this is a good source of info - https://launchpad.net/checkbox-satellite
[16:53] <brendand> Laney, it's got all the logic used by the certification team for installs
[16:54] <Laney> ty
[16:54] <Laney> I got SSOed :P
[16:55] <dupingping> have done meeting? Please look http://people.ubuntu.com/~dupingping86/ and http://people.ubuntu.com/~dupingping86/trusty.html for HW Cert.
[16:55] <brendand> SSO = Suddenly Signed Out
[18:55] <Rick_Timmis> Hola Chico's
[18:56] <sgclark2> hiyas
[18:56] <Rick_Timmis> Hey sgclark2
[18:58] <mhall119> hi Rick_Timmis, sgclark2
[18:58]  * Rick_Timmis Waves and Grins
[18:58] <sgclark2> hello
[18:58] <mhall119> who's hosting the hangout?
[18:59] <sgclark2> yofel
[18:59] <wxl> hey folks
[18:59] <Rick_Timmis> o/
[18:59] <mhall119> cool, yofel do you know how to put the video and hangout links into summit?
[18:59] <sgclark2> Between allergies and lack of sleep I am not fit for human consumption
[19:00] <mhall119> ugh, allergens are hitting our place hard all of a sudden too
[19:00] <Rick_Timmis> sgclark2: {{{{HUGS}}}}}}
[19:00] <yofel> mhall119: no
[19:00] <mhall119> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions tells how, or you can just PM them to me and I'll update it
[19:00] <mhall119> or post them here, I guess there's no need to PM
[19:01] <wxl> someone ping me when we're up :)
[19:01] <yofel> ok, give me a sec
[19:01] <sgclark2> hiyas wxl
[19:02] <wxl> hai sgclark2 :)
[19:02] <marco-parillo> Is there a video or IRC only?
[19:02] <Ridgewing> dunno ping mhall119
[19:03] <mhall119> yofel is getting it setup, give him a few minutes
[19:03] <Ridgewing> Should be an open video ..
[19:03] <Ridgewing> can anyone join ?
[19:03] <alleeUOS2> hi
[19:04] <sgclark2> hello
[19:04] <mhall119> yofel: ping me if you need help or if you need me to host the hangout
[19:05] <yofel> mhall119: can you please do it?
[19:05] <mhall119> yup, give me a couple minutes to set up
[19:05] <yofel> I got as far as youtube telling me to verify my account *-.-
[19:06] <clivejo2> probably doesn't believe your age :P
[19:06] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYe8_qHwGDAJy7i0Ns3nPmxiHaCK6Tm5h2Cr6FWb9IjJXSDHEw?hl=en&authuser=0 is the hangout for anybody who wants to be on air
[19:06] <Rick_Timmis> I've had that happen to me too right on cue for a show
[19:07] <mhall119> can you guys join the hangout?
[19:08] <MarcoAParillo> Not in FF. Will try google-chrome.
[19:08] <wxl> does hangouts not work in ff?
[19:08] <wxl> darn freedom haters
[19:09]  * wxl kids, as he uses google-chrome exclusively :)
[19:09] <wxl> ah something's moving
[19:09] <mhall119> wxl: it's hit or miss with firefox, I always use Chrome for hangouts these days
[19:09] <sgclark2> link again
[19:09] <Ridgewing> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYe8_qHwGDAJy7i0Ns3nPmxiHaCK6Tm5h2Cr6FWb9IjJXSDHEw?hl=en&authuser=0
[19:09] <sgclark2> please
[19:09] <wxl> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/onair/watch?hid=hoaevent/chaqbkhl79mnqv56rh9la8teicg&ytl=fgMjIXTdzbQ&wpsrc=yta
[19:10] <wxl> i think
[19:10] <wxl> you should just be able to go to the video and click the link
[19:10] <marco-parillo> Now I see the video in google-chrome.
[19:10] <kde_fan_2k2015> © Canonical Ltd., Ubuntu Community
[19:10] <wxl> whoa
[19:10] <mhall119> kde_fan_2k2015: ?
[19:11] <wxl> Kiera is like in a tunnel covered in fog.
[19:11] <kde_fan_2k2015> mistake
[19:11] <kde_fan_2k2015> i paste wrong window
[19:11] <Ridgewing> wxl, yeah, I can't do the video, I don't have the bandwidth.
[19:13] <Ridgewing> Wow .. this realy is an old audio video.
[19:13] <Ridgewing> **sans old for odd.
[19:16] <frecel> what kind of a load are we talking about?
[19:18] <mhall119> it would be cool if you could use Juju to spin up a bunch of servers, run the workload, and tear it down as soon as it's done
[19:18] <yofel> indeed
[19:18] <mhall119> maybe jcastro can help with that
[19:18] <Ridgewing> QUESTION: Will Plasma 5 be in Kubuntu 16.04 as standard ?
[19:19] <marco-parillo> It already is.
[19:19] <clivejo2> can santa help out on that?
[19:19] <marco-parillo> The question is 5.x (coordinating with upstream).
[19:20] <Ridgewing> marco-parillo: Is Plasma 6 being worked on ? what is the address ?
[19:21] <mhall119> jcastro or marcoceppi
[19:23] <marco-parillo> I have heard nothing about Plasma 6. I think the Plasma team is working now on Plasma 5.5 due Tue 2015-12-08 (https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5)
[19:23] <Ridgewing> ok cheers.
[19:24] <clivejo2> had Jonathan not a mobile kci setup on scaleway?
[19:24] <clivejo2> for arm?
[19:25] <mhall119> is there still someone with upload rights in Kubuntu?
[19:25] <mhall119> archive uploads that is
[19:25] <Ridgewing> I'm happy to join the Kubuntu team BTW.
[19:25] <sgclark2> yofel and I do , but not all
[19:25] <alleeUOS2> how does one join the hangout?  I can only watch it :-(
[19:25] <Ridgewing> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/onair/watch?hid=hoaevent/chaqbkhl79mnqv56rh9la8teicg&ytl=fgMjIXTdzbQ&wpsrc=yta
[19:28] <alleeUOS2> Ridgewing: thx that's what I'm using.  You see me in the but it seems I can't participate
[19:30] <clivejo2> need people
[19:30] <clivejo2> packaging etc
[19:30] <mhall119> if you want help recruiting new contributors, both the community team and community council would be more than happy to help
[19:31] <clivejo2> but also documentation on how people can help, if and when they got time
[19:31] <wxl> i'd be happy to round up some testers if needed. just let me know.
[19:31] <wxl> i can also probably get some docs people and perhaps some bug triagers
[19:32] <wxl> potentially i can help with server maintenance
[19:35] <frecel> I think having clear instructions on how to help, where the help is needed would be good
[19:35] <TJ-> Documenting the developer processes would help - in detail - so newcomers can figure it out and get up to sepeed (which source repos, where/what/how to upload, patch rules, which servers/access to, how to interact with CI, etc.)
[19:35] <frecel> I think there are people out there who would be willing to help but they don't know where to start
[19:36] <frecel> there should be a big "Get involved" button on kubuntu.org
[19:36] <TJ-> True; even shadowing IRC for months doesn't help, and much of the knolwedge is word-of-mouth fragments hard to work out what is authorative
[19:36] <clivejo2> for me personally I think the KCC needs to be more involved, provide leadership in a way
[19:36] <wxl> QUESTION: is the only issue that of having developers?
[19:40] <clivejo2> I cant hear mhall
[19:41] <wxl> mhall119 has been infected by dpm
[19:43] <mhall119> microphone works a lot better when it's not on the top of my head :)
[19:43] <marco-parillo> wxl: I believe if we have developers / packagers creating new and shiny, that will attract folks who want to test and publicize the new and shiny. Also having critical mass to look at bugs would encourge folks to write bugs. When you hear a random complaint, and ask what is the bug number, you frequently get 'I tried a couple of times, and I got WONTFIX or no response at all.'
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> How do I join the hangout?
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> or I don't?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> sgclark2: ^
[19:45] <shadeslayer> Or maybe mhall119 ^
[19:46] <TJ-> there's rarely a point in Kubuntu bugs since the direction is usually to report upstream.
[19:46] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYe8_qHwGDAJy7i0Ns3nPmxiHaCK6Tm5h2Cr6FWb9IjJXSDHEw?hl=en&authuser=0
[19:46] <shadeslayer> mhall119: I'm too exhausted to join, listening passively
[19:47] <shadeslayer> I've had a full day
[19:47] <mhall119> np
[19:47] <Ridgewing> k
[19:49] <shadeslayer> one more image to test xD
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: thank you
[19:49] <wxl> marco-parillo: i know a few folks interested in packaging. maybe a little hangout to walk people through the process would help
[19:49] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: np
[19:49] <shadeslayer> I doubt its feasible with the low man power
[19:50] <mhall119> can the translations packages not just be included in the current ISOs?
[19:50] <sgclark2> we are short on packagers, not really testers
[19:50] <shadeslayer> mhall119: size limits iirc
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> what's about the django CMS?
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> what's that about?
[19:50] <mhall119> shadeslayer: is it using a full DVD already?
[19:51] <shadeslayer> Which are artificial at best at the moment
[19:51] <shadeslayer> mhall119: no I think the idea was to keep the size as low as possible
[19:51] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: I was offering ot talk about what django cms has to offer as a possible wiki alternative
[19:51] <sgclark2> ovidiu-florin: for a wiki, folks feel moving to kde fractured us
[19:51] <shadeslayer> mhall119: it's completely self imposed afaik
[19:52] <ahoneybun> sup
[19:52] <yofel> hey
[19:52] <sgclark2> hi
[19:52] <Ridgewing> hiya !
[19:53]  * mhall119 isn't going to recommend moinmoin for anything, ever :)
[19:53] <wxl> amen mhall119
[19:53] <wxl> moinmoin suckxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[19:54] <shadeslayer> I haven't used it in 2 years now \o/
[19:54] <mhall119> lucky
[19:54] <wxl> hahahh
[19:54] <sgclark2> yikes
[19:56] <mhall119> getting people contributing to docs using the bzr/launchpad workflow is a good way to transition them into contributing code using the same :)
[19:57] <sgclark2> lol
[19:58] <clivejo2> 3rd that
[19:58] <yofel> lets make that the git/launchpad workflow ;)
[19:58] <mhall119> for reference, http://opensource.com/business/15/6/why-ubuntu-developer-portal-moved-djangocms contains a lot of our reasons for using django CMS over alternatives like rst
[19:59] <mhall119> notes: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-kubuntu-xenial-planning
[20:03] <clivejo2> was the printer auto detection ever looked at?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> OK I'm done, cya later
[20:05] <yofel> cya
[20:06] <mhall119> if you want to use ubuntuonair.com for public hangouts, we can do that
[20:09] <clivejo2> is there any way the Kubuntu CC can be more active and have a more leadership role?
[20:10] <sgclark2> +1
[20:10] <sgclark2> ^
[20:11] <clivejo2> the community needs a strong leadership to rally behind
[20:11] <mhall119> vote for sgclark2 when the CC voting starts :)
[20:12]  * ahoneybun thinks sgclark2 will hurt mhall119
[20:12] <sgclark2> !!
[20:12] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:13] <yofel> XD
[20:13] <sgclark2> http://www.scarlettgatelyclark.com
[20:13] <clivejo2> for example there has been loads of media attention on Jon standing down, but nothing about the new release manager
[20:14] <sgclark2> that is because we are not entirely clear on the process clivejo2
[20:15] <kde_fan_2k2015> hmm
[20:16] <clivejo2> where is the link?
[20:17] <yofel> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HnooSpzP9p9cvql8GEQe7J-A1rNLq8qpRs_cH_gaZIk/edit#gid=0
[20:17] <clivejo2> thanks yofel
[20:21] <clivejo2> ovidiu-florin: totally agree
[20:21] <clivejo2> video drivers, getting printers to work
[20:21] <clivejo2> plasma crashing or slow for some reason
[20:22] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: FYI: there's a thing called checkinstall in the archive, that tries to make a .deb out of "make install" so you can try to install such custom software in a more-or-less sane way
[20:23] <frecel> I think users need to be more aware of the fact that there are people actually actively working on fixing bugs, and that their report is not just going into /dev/null
[20:25] <kde_fan_2k2015> how long is this session for?
[20:25] <mhall119> kde_fan_2k2015: it was supposed to end 30 minutes ago :)
[20:27] <mhall119> sounds like it's time to revive 5-a-day
[20:27] <sgclark2> +1
[20:27]  * yofel is still in that team :D
[20:27] <kde_fan_2k2015> mhall119: i say i eat at 8 so my family cook food and now it keep going and going and i hungry LOL
[20:27] <yofel> those were fun times
[20:28] <mhall119> kde_fan_2k2015: it's being recorded, so you can watch later
[20:32] <ahoneybun> mhall119: remember the laptop I had at SELF?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> we were doing some scripts
[20:33] <mhall119> the one you were trying to get Unity 8 running on?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:34] <ahoneybun> in 15.10 the stylus works out of the box
[20:34] <ahoneybun> in 15.04 I had to use a fix from a launchpad page
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/contribute.html
[20:35] <ahoneybun> http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/support.html
[20:36] <yofel> oh ok, yes, that's missing the direct link to the webchat
[20:37] <ahoneybun> missing?
[20:37] <clivejo2> who is kiera? IRC handle?
[20:37] <ahoneybun> http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/support.html yofel this has it
[20:37] <yofel> you're assuming that people understand what channel to connect to
[20:37] <yofel> yofel: http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/contribute.html has a direct link to the channel
[20:37] <yofel> erm
[20:37] <yofel> http://kubuntu.org/community
[20:37] <yofel> that's what you want
[20:37] <mhall119> clivejo2: he's Ridgewing I think
[20:39] <yofel> ok, the contribute page on the docs has the correct link - even if it does a weird external application request instead of the webchat
[20:40] <ahoneybun> mhall119: that laptop would be nice with Unity 8 lol
[20:41] <mhall119> ahoneybun: bring it to fossetcon and show it off
[20:41] <ahoneybun> should I wait till a few days later to grab the latest image?
[20:41] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8DesktopIso?
[20:42] <mhall119> ahoneybun: no idea, ask in #ubuntu-unity they can give better advice
[20:43] <Ridgewing> good idea : more often ubuntu podcast
[20:49] <clivejo2> when you are all together, do another session!
[20:49] <valorie> uh, did I miss the meeting?
[20:50] <yofel> valorie: yep, it just finished (after ~50min overtime)
[20:50] <valorie> wth, time-zone crap
[20:50] <valorie> grrrr
[20:50] <yofel> valorie: we're still in the hangout if you want to join
[20:50] <mhall119> valorie: it's recorded at least
[20:51] <yofel> we're just off air
[20:51] <valorie> omg, it looks like I have a dentist appt right now
[20:51] <valorie> sec
[20:57] <Ridgewing> Link to kiwiirc : http://www.kiwiirc.com/
[20:57] <yofel> thanks
[21:07] <Ridgewing> Did you have that Kubuntu dev irc channel ?
[21:11] <ahoneybun> Ridgewing: #kubuntu-devel