=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/03/%23ubuntu-uos-plenary.html === ubuntu is now known as Guest75514 === dpm__ is now known as dpm === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [13:35] Yello! [13:37] Greetings Ubuntu team and fans ! [13:43] welcome everyone o/ [13:44] all set for the opening plenary? [13:44] o/ [13:44] am i late? [13:44] is it over yet? :( [13:45] Guest42341: not started yet :-) [13:45] ~15mins [13:45] phew :D [13:45] Hi DanChapman :) [13:45] Hi all! [13:45] sup [13:45] hi everyone! [13:45] o/ [13:45] Hey James_Mulholland o/ [13:45] who is this mark guy? [13:45] just some guy who works at Canonical [13:46] i see === lie is now known as Guest69765 [13:46] :-) [13:46] michael hall? [13:46] no, I'm Michael Hall, Mark is someone else [13:46] mak shuttle [13:46] * Guest42341 -14 min [13:47] to the take off? [13:48] to the lift off [13:48] * Ozzyboshi_ slaps pietroalbini around a bit with a large fishbot [13:48] uh? [13:50] omg my dog is chewing my balloons [13:51] Is that an euphemism? [13:51] I hope not, that sounds awful [13:51] better than chewing some cats :) === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [13:53] everyone should have their own balloons. Just keep the dog away from them [13:54] oh LOL!! [13:54] balloons, [13:55] Ola ! [13:55] OLAAAA [13:55] from za! [13:56] Cześć, from PL! [13:56] Is MShuttleworth doing his video , yet ? [13:56] yo [13:56] he's at makeup [13:56] should begin in a bout 5 mins [13:56] cool [13:56] Awesome ! [13:57] Tell me when the video's live, cheers ! [13:57] where is everybody [13:57] Go Mark go! [13:57] im keen for dev apps next [13:57] I'm scurrying 'round doing reddit posts ... [13:57] hi all, good to see more folks joining in :) === Guest42341 is now known as QUESTION [13:58] hi all [13:58] :D === QUESTION is now known as omgCATS [14:00] hi [14:00] * olli waves [14:01] hi everyone [14:01] * ogra_ taps foot [14:01] go go go! :) [14:01] has started??? [14:01] 14:00 UTC, somebody is late ... [14:01] it's over [14:01] you are late [14:01] :D [14:01] hello! [14:01] starting soooooon.... [14:01] It should start now [14:01] omgCATS: oh okay thank you [14:01] sad i missed [14:02] UBUFAN2K15, i was joking! :D [14:02] hello all [14:02] Go go! [14:02] hi mark [14:02] sabdfl, are you still at the make up? [14:02] hello when is the keynote from now? [14:02] and live [14:02] going live now [14:04] QUESTION: Hi Mark, I spend 3 or 4 hours a week doing the Q&A posts on reddit and ubuntu-discourse. I never get paid for these, but after recent surgery I realise that, sometimes, even if it's the reddit gold that I need to make 'posting easier' - I believe that I form an active contribution to the Ubuntu social experience. My Question is that I would wish to continue spending hours doing the posts but I need $30 to have [14:04] #dd4814 [14:05] popey, thats the totally wrong colour :P [14:05] I'm in a really noisy place and I can barely hear it T_T [14:06] yeah the sound volume is a little bit low [14:06] ogra_: dd4814 is correct: http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette [14:06] or indeed, http://dd4814.com/ :) [14:06] Hmm... I apparently can't watch this without flash in firefox? [14:07] QUESTION: continued #2: continue spending hours doing the posts but I need $30 to have reddit gold for a year. Would you seriously consider affording me that stipend - as I believe it is well worth it to the active community in reddit and Ubuntu discourse ? signed Nathan [14:07] mhall119, but i want #77216f ! [14:07] Ridgewing, we have a process for applying for funds [14:07] Ridgewing, http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/ [14:07] ogra_: why do you hate community? :) [14:07] popey: Ok, thanks, - I'll latch onto that, cheers. [14:08] popey: Can I do a different question, then ? [14:08] mhall119, because i am canonical ! as usual :P [14:08] Ridgewing: I'm not sure we're going to have time for Q&A, but if we do you're not limited to just one [14:08] ogra_: you evil corporate overlord [14:09] * ogra_ sends out the snappy skynet drones to mhall119 [14:09] * mhall119 is looking forward to watching all those Show & Tell sessions next week [14:09] man you should buy a real microphone [14:09] (to fill up the GE fridge ... it called for it !) [14:10] QUESTION: Looking back at the 2013 Stallman video from Muktware where Ubuntu was refered to as SPYWARE by RMS, simply because you have to turn off the shopping lens option in the settings. My question is what does Mark think of that much refered to spat with Jono Bacon in 2013 (?), what does he feel about RM's views in general concerning Ubuntu (?) and, would a simple option to turn off this setting that could be "asked" [14:10] Ridgewing, that option exists since3 2013 [14:10] QUESTION continued : .... Ubiquity to allay any fears the Libre software community has about this important issue (?) [14:10] Ridgewing: it's all a moot point with the changes in Unity 8 [14:11] and yeah, what mhall119 said ... [14:11] unity8 makes that moot [14:11] (unity7 ships in 16.04 for years, so it's potentially moot, not yet moot) [14:12] well, the config option exists for unity7 [14:12] Enjoy the summit, and eat your vegetables! [14:12] Still, you can deactivate it in the settings [14:12] * tsdgeos_web claps [14:12] technical difficulties, please stand by [14:12] omg you've lost mark!!! [14:12] QUESTION: Slightly easier, this one. What input can the community have on "Suggesting extra products" for the Ubuntu store on the Ubuntu website ? [14:12] omgCATS: well we know he's in Prague *somewhere* [14:12] :)) [14:12] dont yu have some intermittant music ? [14:13] Ridgewing, i beleive the privacy issue was not about shopping lense but about every lens that fetch internet without getting noticed in home lense. Unity8 seems to work in a different way, you select a scope or a agregator scope [14:13] ogra_: yes, but it's all in Ogg Vorbis format and nothing plays that. :) [14:13] * Ridgewing sends out a search team to find Mark ....................... [14:13] ogra_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA [14:13] 200 Mark OK [14:13] skay, lol [14:13] cm-t: in theory it's about every remote content scope, in practice people only cared about Amazon [14:13] * ogra_ slaps dholbach [14:14] #crickets in-background [14:14] This is the first time I'm watching Mark live [14:14] Mhall119, true [14:14] I actually like the Amazon scope [14:15] mark wearing his movember stuff :) [14:15] I like the wikipedia and github scopes [14:15] hi === lie is now known as Guest21654 [14:15] mhall119, those too [14:15] hello [14:15] The video's a bit jerkey . [14:16] and google drive scope, combined with local files scope [14:16] Anyone else ? [14:16] mhall119, but if I try to install the github one, these are uninstalled on Unity7: ubuntu-desktop unity unity-scope-home unity-tweak-tool :I [14:17] old image LOL [14:17] vitimiti: hmmm, that's not good, sounds like a package version conflict somewhere [14:17] ewww [14:17] mhall119, I'm on edge right now, but happened on stable, too, I don't know why, really [14:17] vitimiti: you mean xenial/wily? [14:17] better [14:17] mhall119, yeah [14:17] we don't have edge or stable [14:18] convergence !! [14:18] I meant xenial, yes [14:18] omgCATS: that's prettier isn't it :) [14:18] \o/ [14:18] yes yes yes [14:18] mhall119, yeah ) [14:18] hello. werewolf \m/ [14:18] if you have questions for Mark, bring them up and make sure you prefix them with QUESTION: [14:18] Convergence is looking so pretty already [14:18] \o/ Daniel Wood [14:18] i think it would be better to ask the user if he wants explicitly to use amazon aggregator scope === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Track: | Ubuntu Online Summit Intro and Mark Shuttleworth's Opening Keynote | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22614/mark-shuttleworth-uos-opening-keynote/ [14:18] I am already looking forward to lunch after my session. :) [14:19] i know that desktop :') [14:19] we're collecting the questions and Mark will be answering them after the keynote. So if you've got any, please remember to prepend them with QUESTION [14:19] QUESTION: is there any news on whether WhatsApp will arrive Ubuntu phone or not? [14:19] vitimiti, up to whatsapp really [14:19] Question: Would Canonical consider doing a "Fat-big Convergency party" for Ubuntu-users , in 2016, to err, converge ? Kinda like a UDS - but just a party for Ubuntuists ! [14:19] I just need it because of my family [14:19] QUESTION: any plans for an ubuntu home router? [14:20] Ridgewing: UbuCon in January out in California :) [14:20] QUESTION: Are you happy with the pace of Ubuntu phone hardware development worldwide? [14:20] hello [14:20] Ridgewing: yes, Ubucon Summit in Pasadena California is going to be awesome, and you're invited too. :) [14:20] Ridgewing: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22611/ubucon-summit-organization/ [14:20] mhall119: Here in Europe, we were all thinking about one in London. [14:20] I'd love so much to be able to attend one of those summits [14:21] QUESTION: What's the next form factor for Ubuntu and why is it a smartwatch? [14:21] Ridgewing: there's another UbuCon happening in Europe [14:21] nhaines: :-P [14:21] haha [14:21] mhall119: Yeah ? Where ? [14:21] Ridgewing, https://svij.org/blog/2015/06/05/announcing-ubucon-europe-2016/ [14:21] mhall119: I think he's the only one I haven't asked yet. :) [14:21] ^ there [14:21] ok, cheers. [14:21] haha pebblebuntu, would love it :') [14:22] * ogra_ tickles sturmflut with a snappy skynet antenna [14:22] * balloons puts on tinfoil hat and hums quietly [14:23] QUESTION: any plans on bringing apps to home routers? i would like to install an irc server on my router from the store [14:23] #Drones ! When do they get accepted into the postal service ? [14:23] omgCATS, that'd be woah [14:23] omgCATS, yes, snappy brings that feature [14:23] omgCATS: put an irc server in the store, and install it, then :) [14:23] omgCATS, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/+snap/ircproxy [14:23] :)) [14:23] Nice [14:23] ;) [14:23] [QUESTION] Ubuntu convergence, Mir/Wayland, containers - Ubuntu 16.04 or later? [14:23] noice [14:24] l_ukasz: that's not really a question [14:24] "+snap" ? [14:24] ogra_: Is ubuntucon.eu your website, then ? [14:24] l_ukasz: those are already in Ubuntu now. \o/ [14:24] dobey, yeah ... LP builds your snaps now :) [14:24] Ridgewing, nope [14:24] k [14:24] Snappy is a pretty awesome idea. [14:25] ogra_: neat. too bad phone isn't snaps yet [14:25] QUESTION: Can we expect any more Ubuntu devices on the market soon (phones, tablets etc)? [14:25] dobey, bright is the future ! [14:25] good thing i have these joo janta 200 super-chromatic peril-sensitive sunglasses [14:26] nhaines: I mean on relatively stable solution for the end user set by default. [14:28] Snapcraft is the new packaging tool, then COOL. [14:29] it is and it is awesome :) [14:29] where we can discuss the chromium or firefox for the next LTS? [14:30] core_apps_police: #ubuntu-desktop or their mailinglist, the discussion is already started I think [14:30] QUESTION: Shall Mark be using a Mycroft IOT home-hub in his Isle of Man house ? [14:30] core_apps_police: I never understood these discussions. It seems to me that Firefox is a good option as the default browser. You can always install another. [14:31] Firefox seems to behave better with my RAM, that's for sure, so I'm staying with it whether the default is FF or Chromium [14:31] l_ukasz: default app selection is always being re-evaluated [14:31] webbrowser-app is the new default browser [14:31] vitimiti: +1 [14:31] dobey: for desktop Ubuntu [14:31] ? [14:32] I'd love to use webbrowser-app but I'm still missing extensions (specifically ad block) and being able to download files without needing another browser [14:32] i'm pretty sure it'll be the default for Ubuntu Personal [14:32] dobey: you're stirring up trouble now :) [14:32] heh [14:32] vitimiti: downloading files is indeed a big obstacle with the current webbrowser-app [14:32] QUESTION aren't you scared mycrosoft will steal ubuntu's thunder with continium [14:32] mhall119, yeah, I could bare not having ad block, but the download... [14:33] vitimiti: I also miss view source [14:33] what's continium ? [14:33] justCarakas, they copy us ! thats the biggest honor they can give us ;) [14:33] i couldn't deal with not having ad blocking [14:33] Ridgewing: it's Microsoft's implementation of convergence [14:33] mhall119, oh, yeah, that's important for some people [14:33] downloading, i can use wget if i need to [14:33] oh ok , that's a baddie thing ! [14:33] dobey: yeah, but that requires a copy/paste and window switch [14:34] dobey, yeah, me too, but I'm not very good at using it and I end up using FF for downloads [14:34] Ridgewing, nah, it isnt, it just proves that our ideas are right :) [14:34] anywhere where i can watch this after live? [14:34] mhall119: well, that's nowhere near as bad as what's required to block ads in webbrowser-app :) [14:34] it'll be on the ubuntu on air youtube channel I think [14:34] jcole62, it'll be on the youtube channel [14:34] jcole62: same place, the live video will be replaced by a normal youtube embeded video [14:34] jcole62: the same youtube url where it's live [14:34] jcole62: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru6cQMEt52s [14:34] where you're watching it now [14:34] jcole62, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru6cQMEt52s should have it [14:34] Thanks @mhall119 [14:34] thanks guys [14:34] cheers [14:35] Hahaha, massive answer [14:35] same for all the session videos. the live url is the same as the post-watching url [14:35] * omgCATS waiting the phone updates [14:35] yup, everything on summit.ubuntu.com will be available to re-watch later [14:37] he's lost me now . LXD ? what is that - a Lexus ? [14:37] most of this is over my head [14:37] mhall119: for only $9.99 pay-per-view right? [14:37] Ridgewing: it's a control daemon for LXC (Linux Containers) [14:37] Ridgewing: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/lxd [14:37] nhaines: I can get it to you for $4.99 ;) [14:37] It's lowe overhead virtualization [14:37] Ridgewing, allows for lxc container migration in openstack, etc. [14:37] ok, thanks. [14:38] \o/ Community Council [14:38] * mhall119 hugs them all [14:38] woah! [14:38] will Mark be doing a Q&A? [14:38] That's rather nice of him to say. [14:39] yeah i think so [14:39] AmarSingh, same format as the regular Ubuntu-on-Air? ie QUESTION: [14:40] yeah, a few people have asked questions already, myself included ;) [14:40] same format [14:40] QUESTION: Are there any plans on recovering the Ubuntu One cloud? I liked it a lot [14:40] Canonical when we will see 4g ubuntu phones in india?? [14:41] * Ridgewing shudders as he realises who's re-iterating the Questions. [14:41] vitimiti: no, the cloud storage isn't coming back [14:41] Aw, thank you [14:41] vitimiti: I think the infrastructure still exists. My guess is if/when Ubuntu on devices takes off then we'll see a return [14:41] Shankey: i don't know which phone is in india, or what the frequenecies are there, but the meizu mx4 has 4g i think [14:42] QUESTION: any ubuntu phone news? [14:42] doeby, the Meizu is not being sold anymore [14:42] vitimiti: the server was open sourced, and you can take it and run it yourself [14:42] sabdfl: Good video - I'm from the Isle of Man opening an OpenSource-suite in an IOM-gov-run-community-center. We'd love you to come and open it when your next on the Island ? [14:43] dobey, thank you, but I can barely run FF with 5 tabs open already on this notebook [14:43] i know meizu mx4 is in india..but its only avaliable with android OS i need ubuntu edition. the whole users are waitng for ubuntu phone in india [14:43] QUESTION: Lets get down to basics - WHEN is the Ubuntu convergence phone aiming for delivery ? [14:44] Shankey: the Ubuntu edition was probably available to ship to India, before they sold out [14:44] vitimiti, yeah you need a server :) [14:44] vitimiti, ownCloud is an option as well [14:45] kyrofa, yeah, I don't have anything but a small, cheap notebook [14:46] QUESTION: Aside from convergence, what are some of the key differentiators between Ubuntu on phones and the competition (iOS, Android) for your average consumer? [14:46] If anyone here is associated with canonical or in touch with there developers please pass on this message to them "please bring ubuntu phone to india" i dont want android at all [14:46] Shankey, Ubuntu phones are already sold in India through snapdeal.com [14:46] Shankey: Bq phones are available in India [14:46] exactly [14:47] I wish that rms would stop being right about basically everything. [14:47] He isn't right about something, he forgets part of freedom is choice, and I like Steam [14:47] QUESTION: How long before we see a functional desktop on Snappy with all the basic desktop apps [14:48] o/ [14:48] That BQ aquaris is Ok But its hardware is not upto the mark atleast there should be 4g support..because 4g android phones are cheaper than ubuntu phones... [14:48] QUESTION: What do you think about the Ubports project? [14:48] a secure, app-enabled home router would be awesome [14:48] Shankey: tell your provider you want ubuntu [14:48] QUESTION: Will Ubuntu Personal enable a desktop Ubuntu experience on a device like a Raspberry Pi Model 2? [14:48] jcastro: good morning! [14:48] lost the video, very jerkey .... [14:49] rickspencer3: HI Rick are you there ? [14:49] I would totally be happy with an OpenWRT-style snappy router. :) [14:49] I would like a nethack snap. [14:49] * ogra_ would prefer a ufw snap router :) [14:50] providers are giving more stress on android..thats the main issue [14:50] nhaines: build one ;) [14:50] dobey: I'm the last person that anybody wants to build a router. ;) [14:50] rickspencer3: ping [14:50] Shankey: canonical doesn't build hardware. tell your provider and handset makers that you want ubuntu. tell your friends to do the same. [14:51] QUESTION: What is ubuntu touch strategy/plans to fix the "users needs app and apps need users" problem? [14:52] QUESTION: Will we see a refreshed icon theme for 16.04 & Unity 7? [14:52] question - status Xenial of LXD and running openstack and openstack payloads all in LXC [14:52] my whole friends circle wants ubuntu...im so eager for ubuntu phones that am not even buying any phone just cz im waiting for ubuntu phone with good hardware specs by BQ or meizu [14:52] multitasking on Ubuntu phone is far better than Android, IMO [14:52] mhall119, it really is [14:52] privacy is certainly better on ubuntu than on android [14:52] bmullan: Ask QYESTION, in caps ... do nit again , but only have 10 mins left I think. [14:52] but there is no response from them..reguarding this [14:53] I'd love to see Unity 7 refreshed with Unity 8-like icons and themes [14:53] QUESTION - status Xenial of LXD and running openstack and openstack payloads all in LXC [14:53] Shankey, http://www.snapdeal.com/products/mobiles-mobile-phones/filters/Form_s~Smartphones?sort=plrty&q=Form_s%3ASmartphones%7COperatingSystem_s%3AUbuntu%7C [14:53] I would love a tablet [14:53] Joey from OMG! Ubuntu! mentioned that we might see a new icon set land for 16.04 [14:53] So would I, skay [14:54] QUESTION: will we ship lxc and lxd by default everywhere in 16.04 ? [14:54] I have one that is too old for me to install ubuntu on [14:54] udsbotu is working \o/ thanks Pici [14:54] mhall119: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:54] * omgCATS slap udsbotu [14:54] we really need to hook these IRC bots into mycroft to make them cleverer ;) [14:55] omgCATS: don't provoke the bots [14:55] :) [14:55] @vitimiti - i Know that but its hardware is not well atleast it should have 4g...cz i have to do one time investment [14:55] Shankey, a BQ phone designed for Ubuntu convergence is due to be announced early next year [14:56] if you don't get your questions answered here, join any relevant sessions going on this week and ask them there [14:56] also don't forget that we have Jane Silber's Q&A at 1700 UTC tomorrow [14:56] sabdfl: "Classy revolution" ... that sounds sassy. [14:57] mhall119, did he answer about WhatsApp? I think I missed it completely [14:57] If he did* [14:57] vitimiti: yes [14:57] vitimiti: whatsapp coming to ubuntu is up to whatsapp, not ubuntu. same answer as always :) [14:57] @yahn- what!!!! are you serious??....plz plz plz tell me its a brand new smartphone what are its specs?? [14:57] will the mx4 still get updates ? i mean cauz it seems to be abandoned project by meizu [14:57] Shankey: it will be announced by BQ next year. [14:57] We need T-shirts. Marx: Class Revolution, Mark: Classy Revolution [14:57] dobey, ah, I didn't hear. I was hoping some news, thanks [14:57] There's no news on the specs yet [14:57] tedg: +1 [14:57] yoann54: not abandoned, just replaced by a new model [14:57] Shankey, no specs or any details at this stage. Announcement hopefully sometime early next year [14:57] He needs to answer the question about the convergence phone delivery. [14:58] i.e. the date. [14:58] Ridgewing, "soon" [14:58] Ridgewing: device dates will be announced by the OEM, not by us [14:58] Ridgewing: November 18th gives a pretty good start to it. [14:58] that's not good enough. [14:58] a new model from meizu ? [14:58] Ridgewing: that's how all cell phones work. [14:58] Ridgewing, but thats the reality :) [14:59] @yahn- my waiting is extended [14:59] Although that reminds me that I need to harass the design team about getting the FCS wallpapers into the phone. :) [14:59] Ridgewing, if both parties are pleased with the quality (oem as well as canonical) ... if you find that better to understand :) [14:59] nhaines: But it's "our" phone ! [14:59] Ridgewing, no, we only make the SW [14:59] is nexus 4 the best quality/price device to try ubuntu touch ? [14:59] i want to know what are ubuntu's plan for mycroft [14:59] \o/ [15:00] Mycroft has a show and tell on thursday I think [15:00] yippie ! [15:00] yoann54: if you're in North America, yes === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/03/%23ubuntu-uos-plenary.html [15:00] nhaines, what are FCS wallpapers? [15:00] yoann54: only if you can't get ahold of a retail phone with Ubuntu preinstalled. [15:00] yoann54: in the US, probahbly yes. in EU it's probably better to buy an official BQ device [15:00] Thanks you ! [15:00] why north america ? [15:00] and h in there any new ubuntu phone under development [15:00] Thank you Mark. [15:00] Thank you Mark. [15:00] Yahn: the alternate default wallpapers availble in Ubuntu 15.10 as part of the Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase submissions. [15:00] thank yous [15:00] Thanks all [15:00] yoann54: Think it is ! https://swappa.com/buy/nexus-4-unlocked [15:00] Thank you, guys [15:00] nhaines, ah thanks [15:01] nice one! [15:01] thanks dpm [15:01] yoann54: because the Bq and Meizu phones aren't available here [15:01] rickspencer3, \o/ [15:01] thanks everyone for joining and the great questions! [15:01] ya in india bq isn't available [15:01] but nexus 4 has better specs [15:01] argh I wish I had time to prepare some better questions [15:01] Thanks dpm, mhall119, and sabdfl for the opening keynote. :) [15:01] Ridgewing, sure, contact claire.newman@canonical.com [15:01] cheers all [15:01] have a great week [15:01] davidcalle, http://ubuntu.snapdeal.com/ [15:02] davidcalle, oops [15:02] divyesshyo, http://ubuntu.snapdeal.com/ [15:02] sabdfl: great video ! cheers for the reply. [15:02] nhaines, yw, see you later on on your session :) [15:02] dpm: yay! :) [15:02] btw, everybody please register at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/registration/ so we know how many folks are attending this online session [15:02] that will also allow you to mark any sessions you want to attend, and give you a personal schedule of them [15:02] so are we now on to App & Scope development? [15:02] sorry i mean to say meizu is not available in india i need meizu mx4 in india [15:03] Yahn, in #ubuntu-uos-appdev, yes [15:03] divyesshyo: I don't think the MX4 is available anywhere anymore [15:03] divyesshyo, the MX4 isn't being sold anywhere anymore [15:03] snap mhall119 [15:04] thanx all [15:05] isn't it the time for Ubuntu-on-air? [15:05]