[15:00] <balloons> Aloha
[15:01] <dholbach> hey hey
[15:01] <elopio> hello
[15:02] <cwayne_> heyhey
[15:02] <Yonas> 123?
[15:02] <cwayne_> 456
[15:02] <elopio> who gives me the link to the hangout?
[15:05] <brendand> elopio, good luck
[15:05] <alecu> hello
[15:06] <elopio> hello
[15:06] <skay> o/
[15:06] <dholbach> elopio, is somebody helping you set up the session?
[15:07] <elopio> dholbach: fgimenez.
[15:07] <dholbach> ok cool
[15:08] <balloons> elopio, still having trouble?
[15:08] <balloons> we need to add the link so the video shows on the page
[15:08] <dholbach> davidcalle, ^ are you around to help them?
[15:08] <elopio> balloons: trouble with what? I don't have the link.
[15:08] <dholbach> click on "edit hangout details" on the session page in summit
[15:09] <balloons> elopio, I thought you said you were all set for this
[15:09] <elopio> ahhh, now I understand your question from before
[15:09] <elopio> sorry about that.
[15:09] <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22623/testing-snappy/ → edit hangout details
[15:09] <balloons> elopio, no worries. Sorry. I was trying to ask if you knew about setting things up, not the information, heh
[15:09] <elopio> balloons: yeah, I misunderstood. I don't have a hangout details link.
[15:09] <balloons> elopio, ok, so simply create a new hangout on air
[15:10] <balloons> elopio, it's documented here Sessions
[15:10] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[15:10] <Yonas> 789?
[15:11] <balloons> elopio, but you make an on-air hangout, then we simply update the page with the details
[15:11] <elopio> balloons: on it
[15:12] <balloons> I'm sorry for not being clear earlier. It's too early to be vague about these things :-)
[15:12] <elopio> there's no on-air button.
[15:12] <elopio> give me a second
[15:13] <elopio> got it.
[15:14] <elopio> balloons: dholbach: http://youtu.be/tAAarof9u4E
[15:15] <dholbach> elopio, page updated
[15:15] <mvo_uos> yay, I have a video
[15:15] <ogra_> video !
[15:15] <ogra_> (well, starting soon ...)
[15:15] <mvo_uos> I can see elopio
[15:15] <balloons> elopio, all set, we see you
[15:15] <brendand> elopio, i see you
[15:15] <dholbach> elopio, thanks for hanging in there
[15:15] <tedg> elopio: We can hear you!
[15:15] <lool> elopio: can see you live
[15:15] <roadmr> +1, I can see/hear
[15:15] <Icey> I can see you live
[15:15] <cwayne_> yep
[15:15] <Icey> and hear you
[15:15] <lool> elopio: and hear you fine
[15:15] <mvo_uos> elopio:we hear you
[15:15] <brendand> elopio, and hearing :)
[15:16] <rmescandon> i can hear it, confirmed
[15:16] <skay> hearing okay
[15:16] <ogra_> yep,. all fine
[15:16] <dholbach> that means a delay of 1 minute or something :)
[15:16] <tedg> Well, we don't *know* it is live. He could have prerecorded the confusion.
[15:16] <ogra_> i hear you
[15:16] <tedg> :-)
[15:22] <elopio> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/
[15:22] <elopio> sudo ubuntu-device-flash core rolling --channel edge --developer-mode -o ubuntu-snappy-rolling-edge-amd64-generic.img
[15:23] <elopio> kvm -m 512 -redir :8090::80 -redir :8022::22 -redir :8000::8000 ~/Elŝutujo/installers/ubuntu/snappy/ubuntu-snappy-rolling-edge-amd64-generic-220.img -snapshot
[15:26] <sanoy> is this talk happening?
[15:26] <sanoy> or not?
[15:26] <ronswift> yes it is
[15:26] <ogra_> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22623/testing-snappy/
[15:27] <ogra_> it is running, yes
[15:29] <elopio> sudo snappy install hello-world
[15:29] <ronswift> will there be notes for this and the other presentations
[15:31] <balloons> ronswift, the pad is availible for notes, but we would have to ask elopio what he would recommend for documentation if that's what you are after
[15:31] <ogra_> ronswift, the video will be available afterwards and there is th eetherpad
[15:31] <ronswift> yes, documentation
[15:34] <elopio> sudo snappy hw-assign hello-world.canonical /dev/kmsg
[15:35] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy
[15:35] <dholbach> I put Leo's messages from IRC to the etherpad
[15:35] <balloons> ok, so I'll just ask for you ronswift.
[15:36] <balloons> QUESTION: Where can I find documentation for snappy, and in particular, for testing snappy?
[15:37] <ronswift> QUESTION: What are the hardware requirements for testing snappy
[15:38] <fgimenez> balloons, for general info about snappy the guides is a great place to start https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/, we have a readme about how to run the automated integration tests in https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/_integration-tests/README.md
[15:38] <balloons> ronswift, &&
[15:39] <balloons> sorry, ignore that
[15:40] <ronswift> got it thanks
[15:41] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/daemon/api_test.go
[15:41] <elopio> https://coveralls.io/builds/4011396/source?filename=daemon%2Fapi.go
[15:41] <fgimenez> ronswift, for running snappy locally as elopio is doing take a look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#snappy-local; for running the tests localy you need autopkgtest, ubuntu-device-flash and kvm, more on https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/_integration-tests/README.md
[15:43] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/_integration-tests/tests/info_test.go
[15:48] <elopio> go run ./_integration-tests/main.go --ip localhost --port 8022 --filter infoSuite
[15:48] <balloons> so fgimenez, what hardware can be used for testing? is most testing done via kvm?
[15:51] <fgimenez> balloons, we use kvm for executing the suite locally on the amd64 architecture, you can also execute the tests on armhf (beaglebone and rpi2) with the board connected, snappy installed and using the -ip and -port flags mentioned by Leo
[15:51] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/_integration-tests/tests/info_test.go
[15:52] <fgimenez> balloons, in fact the tests can be executed in any hardware running snappy, just specifying the means of accessing it (ip, port and ssh keys)
[15:52] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/_integration-tests/tests/snapd_test.go
[15:54] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/_integration-tests/tests/update_test.go
[15:55] <sturmflut> Five minutes until mzanetti shows us the future of computing
[15:55] <mzanetti> at least tries to
[15:56] <mzanetti> here's a game, whenever something crashes, everyone drinks a schnapps
[15:56] <balloons> too early for such things in the states, hah
[15:57] <Icey> never!
[15:58] <balloons> thanks fgimenez and elopio!
[15:58] <roadmr> thanks elopio !
[15:59] <elopio> your welcome roadmr.
[15:59] <dobey> http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103752/a-refueled-confederacy
[15:59] <roadmr> ?!
[15:59] <dobey> balloons, mzanetti: ^^ :)
[15:59] <balloons> sorry again elopio. The questions are in the pad. fgimenez answered as we went
[15:59] <elopio> mzanetti: I'll play!
[15:59] <elopio> balloons: awesome. Thanks fgimenez.
[16:00] <fgimenez> elopio, np, thank you :)
[16:00] <dobey> s'mores schnapps
[16:00] <davidcalle> We'll start in 2 min!
[16:03] <unity9> hi all
[16:03] <AmarSingh> hi
[16:03] <davidcalle> Hi hi :) About to start
[16:03] <unity9> can't wait
[16:03] <sturmflut> unity9: Now that's a bold nickname
[16:04]  * unity9 i'm from the future
[16:04] <mhall119> do they have flying cars there yet?
[16:04] <ubufan2k15> has this session started yet?
[16:05] <AmarSingh> no
[16:05] <ubufan2k15> okay versagod
[16:05] <unity9> no, not that distant in the future 2021
[16:05] <davidcalle> ubufan2k15, in one minute :)
[16:06] <davidcalle> If anyone feels like joining the hangout -> https://hangouts.google.com/call/7jcodlmyr7wpmoef3ishh7r4ria
[16:07] <unity9> are you guys showing new phones?
[16:08] <davidcalle> @all, please prepend you questions with QUESTION:
[16:09] <sturmflut> unity9: At least I am not ;)
[16:10] <unity9> maybe popey? he has a lot of unreleased phones
[16:12] <unity9> QUESTION: any plans on working towards an initial definition of Unity8 api?
[16:13] <unity9> something that other devs can build upon and not break with the next update
[16:14] <unity9> tiny tv
[16:15] <unity9> i can't see... :(
[16:15] <roadmr> davidcalle: don't forget to have mzanetti focus his presentation user
[16:15] <roadmr> davidcalle: otherwise all we see is the hangout where his audio is coming from (empty wall)
[16:15] <CheeseBrg> Are we supposed to see something?
[16:15] <roadmr> there you go
[16:15] <unity9> better now
[16:15] <unity9> thanks
[16:15] <CheeseBrg> thanks
[16:15] <davidcalle> :)
[16:15] <unity9> why is the top bar so big?
[16:16] <unity9> or is it? what's the resolution?
[16:17] <justCarakas> QUESTION I bought a slimport that also has usb port for my nexus 4 will I be able to use them while also using the HDMI post ?
[16:17] <justCarakas> port
[16:17] <unity9> why are the icons so big?
[16:18] <unity9> QUESTION: why is everything so big?
[16:18] <justCarakas> QUESTION are there plans to make the phone/tablet usable as a trackpad while extending the screen
[16:18] <CheeseBrg> QUESTION: How does it handle multuple screens? My setup has 3
[16:18] <anpok_> justCarakas: as far as I know you can only use the extra usb port to power the device while using the hdmi outpu..
[16:19] <justCarakas> anpok_: mine does have a micro usb port for power and a real usb port, an SD-cart reader as wel
[16:20] <anpok_> justCarakas: that sounds like an mhl adapter which is a different hdmi embedding protocol than slimport
[16:22] <mhall119> justCarakas: I believe the slimport's micro-usb port is only for power, not other devices
[16:23] <justCarakas> mhall119: ow snap :p
[16:23] <brendand> justCarakas, it will not do adb/mtp
[16:23] <mhall119> mzanetti: I belive he's asking about an API for extending Unity 8, like plugins
[16:27] <mhall119> QUESTION: is the side-stage going to be available in desktop mode?
[16:27] <unity9> QUESTION: any news regarding the tablet mode?
[16:27] <seb24> QUESTION: What is the plan for Scopes and dash for Dekstop
[16:28] <seb24> with Unity 8
[16:28] <mhall119> QUESTION: is the HUD coming back to Unity 8 for the desktop? I miss the HUD
[16:29] <AmarSingh> QUESTION: What sort of compiz-like functionality can we expect in Unity 8? Things like window spread, workspace naming and hotcorners for example are quite useful, but I understand that these things are not high priority at the moment. I just want to know if they will make an appearance eventually.
[16:32] <CheeseBrg> I feel like Mycroft + HUD = Siri like service for Unity8
[16:32] <mhall119> yeah, that would be awesome
[16:32] <unity9> QUESTION: how will the unity8 desktop work like? on unity7 we can put pictures and folders and etc
[16:33] <CheeseBrg> QUESTION: Is there a testing ISO specifically for Unity8 testing on Desktop? Or instructions for 15.10?
[16:33] <unity9> ok, thanks
[16:34] <AmarSingh> ah I thought that was the alt+tab switcher
[16:34] <unity9> QUESTION: can i write a paralax wallpaper in QML and replace the current static wallpaper?
[16:35] <mhall119> QUESTION: Who in the design team should we ping with all these design-related questions?
[16:35] <davidcalle> apt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir
[16:35] <mterry> apt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir
[16:35] <mterry> :)
[16:35] <CheeseBrg> I'll try that now
[16:36] <justCarakas>  I tried apt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir on ubuntu 15.10 but only saw a black screen
[16:36] <CheeseBrg> in a VM
[16:37] <mhall119> QUESTION: When will Unity 8 gain all the wonderful keyboard shortcuts that Unity 7 has?
[16:37] <unity9> QUESTION: when will the "desktop" widget land? like scrollbars, menus and such
[16:38] <unity9> radio buttons
[16:38] <CheeseBrg> The Ubuntu Design videos stopped a long time ago unfortunately
[16:39] <mhall119> mostly I want super+# for app switching :)
[16:41] <gustwwwww> Unity8 Convergence when will fist iso be made. 16.10 or later
[16:41] <seb24> QUESTION: With Unity 8 on phone the update/upgrade system is different. Do we will have the same update system on Desktop ?
[16:41] <mhall119> QUESTION: any new features coming in Unity 8 that didn't exist in Unity 7 which you are particularly excited about?
[16:42] <AmarSingh> I quite like the browser
[16:42] <mhall119> seb24: that's more of a desktop team question, they have a session tomorrow: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22576/developer-desktop-plan-1604/
[16:43] <unity9> woa... nice browser
[16:43] <mhall119> QUESTION: can we get the calendar widget in the datetime indicator when in phone mode? It's quite handy
[16:43] <sturmflut> unity9: The browser also works quite well on an "actual" desktop with Unity7
[16:43] <unity9> sturmflut: nice
[16:44] <unity9> +1
[16:44]  * mhall119 is looking forward to the notifications indicator on the desktop
[16:45] <mhall119> much nicer than the current desktop one
[16:45] <CheeseBrg> QUESTION: Think you answered this but will Uniy8 support plugins?
[16:45] <seb24> QUESTION: What is the plan to manage muti-workspaces ?
[16:45] <AmarSingh> I think they answered it earlier
[16:45] <AmarSingh> the plugin thing
[16:45] <mterry> CheeseBrg, answer was not yet, we have too much stuff to get working in normal everyday mode right now
[16:46] <davidcalle> CheeseBrg, already answered, priority is on getting everything to work, then they are not opposed to it
[16:46] <CheeseBrg> That's what I thought
[16:47] <Kugi> QUESTION: Any chance we'll get to set the "resolution" or UI scaling when connecting to an external display? Everything seems big as of the moment :)
[16:47] <mhall119> davidcalle: can you switch the video to his desktop?
[16:47] <mhall119> Kugi: that was answered earlier, it's work in progress
[16:48] <Kugi> Oops, sorry, just joined. Thanks anyway :)
[16:48] <mhall119> QUESTION: how will multiple windows for an app work in that switcher? Is it window-based or app-based?
[16:48] <CheeseBrg> QUESTION: Is the choppy performance of Unity8 becuase of the hardware of the phone or becuse it is still work in progress?
[16:48] <unity9> QUESTION: when will unity8 be able to run with nvidia, amd's proprietary drivers
[16:49] <CheeseBrg> performance in the video I mean
[16:49] <mhall119> CheeseBrg: it's probably caused by Hangouts
[16:49] <CheeseBrg> Ok
[16:50] <sturmflut> I have to drop out of the Hangout, don't have all the fun in the last five minutes without me!
[16:50] <unity9> udsbotu:10
[16:50] <mterry> sturmflut, ok (everyone!  bust out the party balloons!)
[16:50] <unity9> bye sturmflut
[16:50] <mhall119> example, if you have multiple browser windows open
[16:50] <sturmflut> mterry: Damned I knew it!
[16:50] <Kugi> QUESTION: Any news when we'll get multiple app instance support in Unity8? or is it even planned for phones/tablets?
[16:50] <unity9> i like balloons
[16:51] <balloons> careful now, careful
[16:51]  * balloons floats out of reach
[16:51] <mterry> :)
[16:51] <unity9> lol
[16:51] <mhall119> looking forward to seeing that in action
[16:52] <bregma> re: vendor support for Mir:  *soon*
[16:53] <unity9> bregma:nice
[16:53] <unity9> thansk all
[16:54] <CheeseBrg> bye guys
[16:54] <thecoder15> im 17 year old self taught software engineer and im wondering what its like to work at canonical
[16:54] <mhall119> thank you mterry and mzanetti for this session, and thank you davidcalle for sheparding the questions
[16:54] <AmarSingh> Thanks all
[16:54] <mhall119> thecoder15: it's the most fun stress you'll ever have :)
[16:55] <thecoder15> awesome can you suggest what to learn to get hired
[16:55] <mhall119> thecoder15: depends on your interest, python and go are very popular, and of course QML and C++ if you're interested in working on the phone/desktop UI
[16:56] <unity9> o/
[16:56] <mhall119> thecoder15: mostly just pick a project and start contributing to it as a community person, it's a great way for hiring managers to see what you can do and more importantly how well you work with the team
[16:56] <thecoder15> k im ok at all those languages except QML i will start messing around and working on some project
[16:56] <thecoder15> by
[16:56] <mhall119> lunch time!
[16:57] <mzanetti> that was a fun session in the end
[16:57]  * genii cleans out the coffee machine
[16:57] <josharenson> o/
[16:57] <mzanetti> I thought I couldn't fill an hour with the stuff I prepared
[16:57] <mzanetti> thanks for all the questions
[16:57] <mhall119> mzanetti: thanks for the demos too
[16:57] <davidcalle> Ugh, sorry everyone, my laptop crashed
[16:58] <davidcalle> mzanetti, mterry, so, thank you for the great session guys!
[16:58] <mterry> \o/
[16:59] <davidcalle> Next session is Lunch time, a bit early in some areas, but sounds about right in any case :)
[17:00] <davidcalle> Enjoy the rest of your UOS!
[17:51] <dholbach> balloons, do you need help with the session or shall I set it up?
[17:51]  * tedg waves
[17:52] <balloons> dholbach, go for it. I'
[17:52] <dholbach> oik
[18:01] <elopio> hola.
[18:05] <dholbach> please interrupt if you have any questions or anything
[18:06] <tedg> wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/Parts
[18:07] <mrmaxm> Hello there. Just saw video with PlayCanvas example, and get to here. Looking forward to see watch where it goes.
[18:08] <mrmaxm> I'm actually one of PlayCanvas core developers, so will be glad to chat and help about our engine and tools.
[18:08] <elopio> mrmaxm: welcome.
[18:09] <elopio> if you have questions, just shoot and Ted will reply.
[18:21] <kyrofa> QUESTION: If I install two ROS snaps (which both bundle ROS master) will each one automatically get a different port?
[18:24] <robobuilder> QUESTION: have you tested this with catkin build rather than catkin_make?
[18:24] <nullagent> any special issues with using launch files or changing those auto configured params like MASTER_URI?
[18:25] <sergiusens__> Ted show snapcraft help catkin
[18:25] <sergiusens__> and sources and plugins
[18:26] <sergiusens__> tedg
[18:26] <kyrofa> sergiusens__, where are you on there?
[18:26] <sergiusens__> I cannot speak. in bed
[18:26] <kyrofa> sergiusens__, ah poor guy, I'm sorry
[18:26] <sergiusens__> isolated was recommended by Dirk
[18:27]  * dholbach hugs sergiusens__
[18:27] <dholbach> hope you'll feel better soon again
[18:27] <sergiusens__> thanks
[18:29] <kyrofa> tedg, when you have a massive project with a lot of moving pieces, launch files coordinates it all. The really just need to be in the ros path
[18:29] <nullagent> Oh the ROS master of the building host? Just confused because I saw an auto generated parameter in your wrapper
[18:31] <nullagent> Yep makes sense
[18:31] <sergiusens__> We can support that with snappy config
[18:31] <nullagent> Will have to play with the example some more
[18:31] <dholbach> if you have any more questions, just ask :)
[18:31] <sergiusens__> or in the future with capabilities iirc
[18:32] <nullagent> You mentioned support for ROS2, how far along is the planning there?
[18:32] <robobuilder> One of ROS's great features is its modularity, it seems like snaps with ROS limit this a bit. Is there a way to make that more flexible?
[18:32] <dholbach> robobuilder, any specific bit of flexibility you're looking for?
[18:33] <robobuilder> loading of many different nodes and being able to pick which ones to run.
[18:33] <kyrofa> robobuilder, it's really meant as a deploy. It'd be tough to develop with it
[18:33] <robobuilder> It seemed from the example that it would just run all of the nodes in the snap, which would have to include all of the nodes from the start
[18:34] <robobuilder> I guess that speaks to ktrofa's questions about launch files...
[18:34] <robobuilder> makes sense :)
[18:35] <kyrofa> robobuilder, right. The workflow I imagine is: develop your ROS system, with all the nodes and configurations on .deb-based. Once you come up with the final launch file for the system, deploy as snap and have snappy exec the launch file as the service
[18:35] <dholbach> or if you have specific examples you'd like to see discussed or need help with, the mailing list snappy-app-devel@lists.u.c would also be a good point
[18:35] <kyrofa> tedg, ^^ which is why launch files are needed
[18:35] <nullagent> :)
[18:38] <ogra_> you can definitely do some fancy things with snappy config and modify launch files on the fly here ...
[18:38] <kyrofa> ogra_, which would be great for tweaking the running system, yeah
[18:38] <ogra_> (a bit more effort, but then you could blindly ship all modules and use snappy config to fiddle with stuff)
[18:39] <ogra_> but thats a bit beyond snapcraft :)
[18:57] <mattyw> good evening folks, is anyone around or will I be talking to myself?
[19:13] <balloons> I've been lurking
[19:36] <anpok_> par