| === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube | ||
| flocculant | #info gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug | 07:32 |
|---|---|---|
| flocculant | #info call for first priority tests went out | 07:32 |
| flocculant | #info had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start | 07:32 |
| flocculant | #info had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA | 07:32 |
| flocculant | #info testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed | 07:32 |
| flocculant | #info looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs | 07:32 |
| flocculant | #info QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening | 07:32 |
| flocculant | #info QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information | 07:32 |
| flocculant | ochosi: in here is simpler :) | 07:32 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 07:33 |
| Unit193 | I expired, because not really a QA'er. :( | 07:33 |
| flocculant | I saw you expiring | 07:35 |
| Unit193 | I'd like to enjoy this moment where I don't have to compile everything 4 times, but it'll be over soon enough. Is there a page that lists the exact purpose of Xubuntu Bugs team? | 07:38 |
| flocculant | doubt it | 07:39 |
| flocculant | why would it be any different than anyother LP team :p | 07:39 |
| Unit193 | Dang, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin should likely have them but should https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar-dropbox-plugin or another package that's seeded by us? | 07:39 |
| flocculant | likely them what? | 07:51 |
| Unit193 | Xubuntu Bugs subscribed, like xfwm4 does. | 07:55 |
| flocculant | oh right | 07:57 |
| flocculant | not sure that team does anything but ping people about bugs - which I guess it what it should do | 07:57 |
| akxwi_dave | test | 10:10 |
| akxwi_dave | test | 10:14 |
| akxwi_dave | bugger, ignore these keep.. keep losing window focus.. :-) | 10:15 |
| knome | :D | 10:45 |
| bluesabre | morning all | 10:51 |
| akxwi_dave | morning | 10:51 |
| Nairwolf | morning ;) | 10:54 |
| ochosi | morning everyone | 10:54 |
| ochosi | well, "morning" | 10:54 |
| knome | well i woke up about an hour ago... | 10:55 |
| knome | :P | 10:55 |
| ochosi | lucky you, my day is already 6 hrs old | 10:55 |
| knome | yeah | 10:56 |
| knome | after the meeting i will eat lunch and do something fun with my wife | 10:56 |
| ochosi | no specifics on the latter please! | 10:56 |
| * knome puts some more salt on the wounds | 10:56 | |
| knome | ochosi, you sure? | 10:56 |
| knome | :P | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | I initially read that as "and do something with my life" | 10:57 |
| akxwi_dave | lol snap | 10:57 |
| knome | bluesabre, that too... | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:57 |
| knome | i mean, i still have a life, contrary to simon | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | its early and everything is not as it seems | 10:58 |
| * knome gets mroe salt | 10:58 | |
| bluesabre | but I am here for the gnome meeting | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | :p | 10:58 |
| * knome pours salt on simon's wounds | 10:58 | |
| bluesabre | too bad ochosi is a snail | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | poor guy | 10:59 |
| knome | ^ and the cherry on the cake | 10:59 |
| knome | after all this, a wild krytarik appears | 10:59 |
| krytarik | \o/ | 10:59 |
| knome | it must be the worst day of simon's life | 10:59 |
| knome | :D | 10:59 |
| ochosi | !team | hey everyone, it's meeting time! | 11:00 |
| ubottu | hey everyone, it's meeting time!: bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 | 11:00 |
| ochosi | #startmeeting | 11:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Nov 3 11:00:28 2015 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 11:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 11:00 |
| knome | o/ | 11:00 |
| krytarik | o/ | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | woo! | 11:00 |
| ochosi | o/ :) | 11:00 |
| ochosi | #topic Open action items | 11:01 |
| ochosi | i don't see any open action items | 11:01 |
| knome | yep, rc has gone | 11:01 |
| ochosi | all the others seem done too | 11:02 |
| ochosi | k, let's move along then... | 11:02 |
| * slickymasterWork is sort of here | 11:02 | |
| knome | well, | 11:02 |
| knome | xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | hi slickymasterWork | 11:02 |
| slickymasterWork | a bit in and out | 11:02 |
| knome | but that's a work item | 11:02 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, but that's in discussion | 11:02 |
| knome | ochosi, but it's an open action item :P | 11:02 |
| ochosi | i'd rather re-define the workitem there | 11:02 |
| ochosi | gah | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:02 |
| ochosi | the buraucrat strikes again... | 11:03 |
| knome | yes | 11:03 |
| ochosi | ;) | 11:03 |
| * knome pours more salt | 11:03 | |
| ochosi | #topic Updates and Announcements | 11:03 |
| ochosi | soo, since there are no team updates anymore, what's new everyone? | 11:03 |
| ochosi | i saw all the blueprints + tracker are set up for X, so we seem ready to go | 11:03 |
| knome | #info to see what people have worked on, check http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline | 11:03 |
| ochosi | knome: i hope you'll post that every time we do a meeting :D | 11:04 |
| knome | i'll try | 11:04 |
| ochosi | anyone else any updates? | 11:04 |
| knome | i guess we should start building up the blueprints more | 11:04 |
| ochosi | yeah | 11:04 |
| knome | i'm sure there are still work items that we need to do but aren't listed | 11:05 |
| ochosi | still mostly skeletons | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | not much here, just really getting back into the swing of things | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | probably going to be working on thunar bugs initially | 11:05 |
| ochosi | mm nice | 11:06 |
| knome | work on bugs ++ | 11:06 |
| knome | ochosi, did you get the #infos from flocculant ? | 11:07 |
| ochosi | right | 11:08 |
| ochosi | thanks for the reminder | 11:08 |
| ochosi | #info gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug (flocculant) | 11:08 |
| ochosi | #info call for first priority tests went out (flocculant) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | #info had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start (flocculant) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | #info had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA (flocculant) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | #info testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed (flocculant) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | #info looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs (flocculant) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | #info QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening (flocculant) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | #info QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information (flocculant) | 11:09 |
| ochosi | any other news or updates from your sides? | 11:09 |
| bluesabre | oh | 11:09 |
| bluesabre | nope | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:10 |
| knome | well as the tracker says, we set up the contributor docs process | 11:10 |
| ochosi | yeah, i guess there's no need to repeat what's already on the tracker | 11:11 |
| ochosi | so let's move along... | 11:11 |
| ochosi | #topic Discussion | 11:11 |
| knome | well, i thought it was important enough to note ;) | 11:11 |
| ochosi | #subtopic 16.04 Wallpaper contest? | 11:11 |
| ochosi | so, i generally second the idea (as I've already mentioned here when the idea was brought up, i think by dkessel) | 11:12 |
| knome | yep | 11:12 |
| ochosi | but i'm a bit doubtful of what the best way to do this is | 11:12 |
| knome | when dkessel brought this up, i expressed some of my concerns | 11:12 |
| knome | summarized: | 11:12 |
| ochosi | last time was - in all honesty - more a "search for nice pics online and get the authors to submit" than really rely on what gets submitted | 11:12 |
| knome | 1) who'll run the contest and do the work | 11:12 |
| knome | 2) quality of submissions (as pointed out by simon above) | 11:13 |
| knome | and i guess 3) licenses need to be checked and all that packaging work done too | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | I think we used the wiki for submissions last time, right? | 11:14 |
| knome | 1/3 are the "easier" ones to sort out | 11:14 |
| knome | bluesabre, yep | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | let's *not* do that this time :D | 11:14 |
| ochosi | i'd personally add 4) what's our strategy when there aren't any good submissions? (keep the old ones?) | 11:14 |
| knome | well | 11:14 |
| knome | ochosi, kind of related with 2), but yeah | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: we can initially submit the old ones as part of the contest | 11:14 |
| ochosi | yeah | 11:14 |
| knome | re: platform for submissions | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | might even inspire folks to give us their best :D | 11:15 |
| knome | i would use something that either requires lno login | 11:15 |
| knome | or if it requires a login, something that accepts a LP login | 11:15 |
| ochosi | yeah, that was the main advantage of the wiki | 11:15 |
| ochosi | having the LP SSO | 11:15 |
| knome | bluesabre, not a bad idea | 11:15 |
| knome | bluesabre, though are we then really looking for *better* pics, or are "slightly worse" pics going to get a preference because they are "new" ? | 11:16 |
| ochosi | yeah +1 | 11:16 |
| knome | because i'd prefer new pics over old ones | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | knome: well, it's whatever feels right. If we get a bunch of crap, we choose the old | 11:17 |
| knome | but i'm not sure if we can actually get "better" submissions at least for the whole bunch | 11:17 |
| knome | bluesabre, sure, but we need to be ready to give a rationale for this, and it would probably be a good idea to say it aloud before the contest begins | 11:17 |
| knome | bluesabre, so it's not a surprise to anybody, or that we can't be blamed for skewing the results | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | yup | 11:18 |
| knome | that's the part which takes likely the most work | 11:18 |
| knome | so i think next we'd need volunteers | 11:18 |
| ochosi | yup | 11:18 |
| ochosi | agreed | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | "You may notice a few familiar favorites in the competion. Our choice selects from the last contest are here to duke it out" | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | I was suggesting that I could potentially build a nice voting tool that compares each to the others and sorts based on +1s... wouldn't be terribly complex I'd imagine | 11:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, web interface? | 11:21 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 11:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, loggable to with LP? | 11:21 |
| knome | if you write it in PHP, i can help ;) | 11:21 |
| knome | anyway... | 11:22 |
| bluesabre | knome: I'll investigate | 11:22 |
| bluesabre | and yeah, php for sure | 11:22 |
| knome | #action knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest | 11:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest | 11:22 |
| ochosi | cool, thanks knome | 11:22 |
| knome | #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface | 11:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface | 11:22 |
| ochosi | if that ^ fails and we don't find a volunteer to drive this, i guess bluesabre won't have to investigate ;) | 11:22 |
| ochosi | oops, too late | 11:22 |
| knome | haha | 11:23 |
| knome | well actually | 11:23 |
| knome | #undo | 11:23 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ you need to do that, you're the chair... | 11:23 |
| ochosi | #chair knome, ochosi | 11:23 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: knome ochosi | 11:23 |
| ochosi | #undo | 11:23 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 11:23 |
| knome | #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface | 11:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface | 11:23 |
| knome | eh? | 11:23 |
| knome | #undo | 11:23 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 11:23 |
| knome | #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest | 11:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest | 11:23 |
| knome | that | 11:23 |
| bluesabre | lol | 11:23 |
| ochosi | ok, ready to move on? | 11:23 |
| knome | yep | 11:23 |
| bluesabre | yup | 11:23 |
| ochosi | #subtopic Media manager choice | 11:24 |
| ochosi | ok, this better be fun | 11:24 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager | 11:24 |
| ochosi | yeah, i wonder whether there aren#t more options than A and B | 11:24 |
| bluesabre | there's few of us around, so we have that going for us this morning | 11:24 |
| knome | options C-> are really just "replace gmb with X" | 11:24 |
| ochosi | but yeah, i'm ok with only those two as well, makes things easier | 11:24 |
| knome | where X is a random media manager | 11:24 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe we don't want that | 11:24 |
| ochosi | you're right i guess | 11:24 |
| knome | but personally, i would probably vote B atm | 11:25 |
| bluesabre | the thing that bites about gmb is that is developed in a completely different language than all of our other apps | 11:25 |
| ochosi | should we make this dependent on whether the gmb-crash-on-close bug gets resolved? | 11:25 |
| bluesabre | so I'm quite a bit less effective for bug review there | 11:25 |
| knome | ochosi, well that's one of the questions of | 11:25 |
| knome | +A | 11:26 |
| ochosi | i mean it's just something to keep in mind, it's pretty much a showstopper from my pov | 11:26 |
| knome | ochosi, i mean, option A might not be valid | 11:26 |
| knome | ochosi, even if the crash bug was fixed | 11:26 |
| knome | if people thought there are too many other problems with it | 11:26 |
| knome | or not enough documentation | 11:26 |
| ochosi | yeah | 11:26 |
| ochosi | anyhow, is there much to discuss now from your povs? | 11:26 |
| knome | since we want to resolve this issue ASAP... | 11:27 |
| knome | i would probably start by voting on whether we want to ship *any* media manager or not | 11:27 |
| knome | eg. option B or A/C-> | 11:27 |
| Nairwolf | in which language is writtent gmb ? | 11:27 |
| knome | Nairwolf, perl | 11:27 |
| Nairwolf | argh.. | 11:27 |
| knome | ochosi, what do you think? | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | a media manager is not so essential I feel | 11:28 |
| knome | well | 11:28 |
| knome | as i see it | 11:28 |
| knome | it's very essential for many people | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | since parole can still *play* everything, the functionality of xubuntu is not immediately degraded | 11:28 |
| knome | but it's so essential that we can't ever please everybody | 11:28 |
| knome | because the choice is very personal... | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | and if I wanted a media manager, I'd want it to manage videos as well | 11:29 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:29 |
| knome | bluesabre, except some of my DVDs | 11:29 |
| * knome hides | 11:29 | |
| * bluesabre cries | 11:29 | |
| Nairwolf | sorry if my question is stupid, why not using vlc ? It seems to work much better than parole, and it can play videos and music. | 11:30 |
| ochosi | Nairwolf: that comes up time and time again | 11:31 |
| knome | Nairwolf, depends on qt | 11:31 |
| bluesabre | Nairwolf: vlc does not use GTK (instead uses QT) and brings in additional requirements for a single app | 11:31 |
| ochosi | the answer is always the same... | 11:31 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'm in favor of B too | 11:31 |
| knome | ochosi, third time's the charm... answer it! | 11:31 |
| bluesabre | go go go! | 11:31 |
| Nairwolf | sorry guys, I didn't know that | 11:32 |
| bluesabre | np | 11:32 |
| Nairwolf | most of xubuntu apps use GTK ? | 11:32 |
| knome | none of them use qt | 11:32 |
| knome | and yeah, *all* of them use gtk | 11:32 |
| ochosi | ok, it's qt | 11:33 |
| ochosi | that's the problem :) | 11:33 |
| knome | so maybe we should set up a poll for keeping a media manager or losing it | 11:33 |
| bluesabre | (though vlc is a fan favorite of many/many users) | 11:33 |
| knome | they can install it with the qt dependencies the first second after the installation has finished :) | 11:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, i guess a poll would be the right thing to do | 11:34 |
| knome | ochosi, since it's a huge thing for many, would you, as XPL, run that? | 11:34 |
| Nairwolf | Do you already have some feedbacks about the media player ? | 11:35 |
| akxwi_dave | Rythmbox and VC first thing installed for me on anew install | 11:35 |
| knome | Nairwolf, check the link i pasted above. | 11:35 |
| ochosi | #action ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager | 11:35 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager | 11:35 |
| ochosi | alright, ready to move on then? | 11:36 |
| ochosi | (don't wanna get into the actual discussion here and now | 11:36 |
| ochosi | ) | 11:36 |
| knome | akxwi_dave, you mean rhythmbox and vlc? because i can't find rythmbox or vc from the repositories ;P | 11:36 |
| knome | ochosi, yep | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | knome: you troll | 11:36 |
| knome | :Ð | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: let's go | 11:36 |
| ochosi | i always knew knome was not a gnome but a troll! | 11:36 |
| akxwi_dave | lol.. sorry bad typing :-) | 11:36 |
| ochosi | #topic Schedule next meeting | 11:36 |
| knome | who's in turn | 11:37 |
| bluesabre | ochosi draws a name out of his fancy top hat | 11:37 |
| ochosi | meh, can't login on LP now | 11:38 |
| ochosi | can someone else check the meetings page? | 11:38 |
| knome | QA: flocculant | 11:38 |
| ochosi | oh gee, finally... | 11:38 |
| ochosi | #action flocculant to schedule the next meeting | 11:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: flocculant to schedule the next meeting | 11:39 |
| ochosi | #endmeeting | 11:39 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Nov 3 11:39:15 2015 UTC. | 11:39 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-11-03-11.00.moin.txt | 11:39 |
| ochosi | thanks everyone! | 11:39 |
| knome | thank you | 11:39 |
| knome | bbl | 11:39 |
| bluesabre | thanks ochosi! | 11:39 |
| ochosi | and minutes are up and i'm out | 11:40 |
| ochosi | hf and a nice day everyone! | 11:40 |
| ochosi | (meh, B) is an emoticon ...) | 11:41 |
| knome | :D | 11:43 |
| knome | B'''''') | 11:43 |
| knome | (seriously) | 11:43 |
| knome | now, seriously off -> | 11:43 |
| === dpm__ is now known as dpm | ||
| flocculant | thanks all | 12:35 |
| flocculant | though I'm pretty sure I was lower down the list ... | 12:35 |
| flocculant | knome: re media manager - I wonder if the information from the poll that was done vivid would be helpful | 12:36 |
| flocculant | thinking about it - didn't need the info's anymore - though not all of that's on blueprint so no-one would know those things | 12:41 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: 11 utc ok for you in general? | 12:46 |
| jjfrv8 | today's daily boots - finally! I can start package testing on hardware now :) | 12:59 |
| akxwi_dave | :-) | 13:16 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: you know you just needed to apply the fix :) | 16:12 |
| jjfrv8 | flocculant, not on my hardware. I couldn't get recovery mode to get me to a point where I could apply it. | 16:26 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: well that's possibly a reportable thing in itself :) | 16:27 |
| knome | not any more ;) | 16:27 |
| flocculant | ochosi: scrollbars in thinkgs like synaptic - doing that hide what you're trying to click on issue - not got a clue what to report that against :( do you :D | 16:29 |
| flocculant | https://youtu.be/OdRj-JolnoA | 16:29 |
| mozmck | is there a utility to make bootable usb thumbdrives in xubuntu? | 19:13 |
| flocculant | I install and use gnome-disk-utility | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | if you just want to make an installer you can just dd the iso to the drive | 19:31 |
| flocculant | knome: how can I link to a section id= in one file to another with this docbook? | 19:49 |
| flocculant | I assume there's a way :p | 19:49 |
| flocculant | well I thought I worked it out - but guess something's missing :) failed to load external entity "C/olinkdb.xml" | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: social mediaed the package testing call (including twitter) | 20:20 |
| flocculant | pleia2: thanks :) | 20:23 |
| flocculant | thanks krytarik - xref worked :) | 20:48 |
| krytarik | \o/ | 20:48 |
| flocculant | slickymaster knome - why is that people push to lp:~yourusername/ubuntu-manual-tests/mychanges but if you try and do that with xubuntu-docs it has a fit? | 21:03 |
| flocculant | I shall look for an answer another time - as I'm now off :) | 21:04 |
| Unit193 | 'gmb is that is developed in a completely different language', yeah, perl. I like perl better. :P | 21:30 |
| knome | pleia2, cheers | 21:39 |
| knome | flocculant, ping me when you're back | 21:39 |
| Unit193 | lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings (NEW) 1.2.0-1 uploaded by James Lu | 21:44 |
| flocculant | knome: I'm back | 21:56 |
| knome | ok, so what's the real question :) | 21:57 |
| flocculant | you can ignore the first one I sorted that with krytarik's help :) | 21:58 |
| knome | ok | 21:58 |
| knome | so the other one | 21:58 |
| knome | what's the problem with pushing to lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/mychanges? | 21:59 |
| flocculant | just wonder why I can't bzr push lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/qa like I canbzr push lp:~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/flooblefarble if I so wish | 21:59 |
| flocculant | knome: it fails with some perm error | 21:59 |
| knome | hmm. | 21:59 |
| knome | let me try that... | 21:59 |
| flocculant | bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "Cannot create 'qa'. | 22:00 |
| krytarik | "lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/qa" - sure with two "xubuntu-docs"? | 22:00 |
| knome | that was what i was thinking too | 22:00 |
| Unit193 | That usually means something else, right. | 22:00 |
| knome | worked for me with lp:~knome/xubuntu-docs/test | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | knome: See my paste on the docs? | 22:01 |
| flocculant | krytarik: ok - so a double x-d failed it then:) | 22:01 |
| knome | Unit193, maybe not, depends what you are referring to | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1HJP8DrvghLSoteEAul6 | 22:01 |
| knome | Unit193, yes i saw that and will keep ignoring it because you clearly know how to push to personal branches and do MP's | 22:02 |
| flocculant | knome: ok - so I can delete the odd branch I have here called /xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs ? | 22:03 |
| Unit193 | knome: *Hopefully. Yes, but if you're not interested and just going to reject, I have no interest in yet another bug/mp going down the drain. | 22:03 |
| knome | flocculant, likely so :D | 22:03 |
| knome | Unit193, no, it looks good | 22:03 |
| knome | Unit193, as i said, it's not all prepared yet | 22:03 |
| knome | Unit193, fwiw, i don't mind how we organize the Makefile | 22:03 |
| Unit193 | OK, good then. You're fine with contributors → contributors-html was the biggest question I suppose. | 22:03 |
| knome | well at least in the sense i'd have something against something proposed | 22:03 |
| knome | Unit193, yeah | 22:04 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/7IRq9JR.png | 22:04 |
| flocculant | just want to make sure nothing's going to go boom after the other night :p | 22:04 |
| knome | flocculant, have you done new changes you want to merge? | 22:04 |
| knome | flocculant, or was it all in the MP i handled? | 22:04 |
| flocculant | I have - but I just redid it | 22:04 |
| knome | oh, ok... | 22:05 |
| flocculant | knome: there's nothing from me for the user docs pending now at all | 22:05 |
| knome | if it isn't in that branch, then feel free to delet | 22:05 |
| knome | +e | 22:05 |
| knome | flocculant, mhm, good | 22:05 |
| knome | flocculant, i saw a mail or something about contributor doc changes | 22:05 |
| flocculant | yep - that's the new other stuff | 22:05 |
| flocculant | right - just proposed those now | 22:06 |
| Unit193 | Crap. | 22:06 |
| flocculant | not sure why I ended up with xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs in the first place | 22:06 |
| flocculant | Unit193: I hope that's not aimed at me :| | 22:07 |
| Unit193 | Well, I already committed, so my merge may be screwed. | 22:07 |
| knome | slickymaster, FYI, i just turned off automatic translation exports for the docs for xenial | 22:08 |
| knome | flocculant, so i didn't say this to you (or anybody else yet), but let's try to keep the id's in order | 22:10 |
| knome | flocculant, i was thinking something like "team-topic-subtopic" for the template | 22:10 |
| knome | or "team[-topic[-subtopic]]" | 22:10 |
| flocculant | like /contrib/QA/pages ? | 22:11 |
| Unit193 | knome: Also, you 'touched' style before push at some point, or I think it was you. My merge only ran 'make clean' before submission. | 22:11 |
| knome | flocculant, no | 22:11 |
| knome | flocculant, in the markup | 22:11 |
| knome | <section id="tags"> | 22:12 |
| flocculant | then no real clue what you mean - try and remember this is all something new | 22:12 |
| knome | could be <section id="qa-bugs-tags"> | 22:12 |
| flocculant | aah right | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/276597 | 22:12 |
| knome | that way figuring out the link target would be easier | 22:12 |
| flocculant | knome: ok - if we want to go with that ^^ then I'll do that now and repush it | 22:12 |
| knome | flocculant, if you have the time, sure; if not, i can do that when i merge | 22:12 |
| flocculant | nope - I can do that now | 22:13 |
| knome | flocculant, cheerio | 22:13 |
| flocculant | not working tomorrow ... | 22:13 |
| knome | Unit193, did you see the discussion about porting the scripts to work with two docbook templates? | 22:13 |
| Unit193 | I don't believe so, are you sure they don't almost support it though? | 22:13 |
| knome | they almost do | 22:14 |
| SwissBot | feed xubuntu-docs had 20 updates, showing the latest 3 | 22:14 |
| knome | but they have 'desktop-support' hardcoded | 22:14 |
| knome | err | 22:14 |
| knome | what am i typing | 22:14 |
| knome | 'desktop-guide' | 22:14 |
| knome | so they should likely be able to take a parameter that told which template we are talking about | 22:14 |
| knome | we figured out it would be sanest if the specifying the template was obligatory, but feel free to disagree | 22:15 |
| knome | flocculant, another thing for $some_time is figuring out if we want to use the entities for urls in the contributor docs as we do with the end-user docs | 22:17 |
| Unit193 | knome: I'd leave desktop-guide as a fallback, personally. But doesn't matter much I'd suppose. | 22:17 |
| knome | Unit193, that would work for me too | 22:17 |
| flocculant | knome: ok did that tag thing | 22:18 |
| Unit193 | I didn't poke the changelog, bah. | 22:18 |
| knome | flocculant, thanks! | 22:18 |
| flocculant | welcome ofc | 22:18 |
| knome | flocculant, one more thing :P | 22:18 |
| flocculant | certainly better to do that now than later | 22:18 |
| knome | i'll make slickymaster write this in the guidelines | 22:18 |
| flocculant | knome: pushing it ... :p | 22:18 |
| knome | do not use capital letters in id names... | 22:18 |
| knome | that throws me off D: | 22:19 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 22:19 |
| knome | ETOOWEIRD | 22:19 |
| knome | otherwise, thanks for the work | 22:20 |
| knome | i'll take some time tonight to merge that | 22:20 |
| knome | Unit193, i can wait for another revision :P | 22:20 |
| knome | Unit193, also, want to collaborate on the script tonight so we can get it sorted out? | 22:20 |
| flocculant | knome: there you go - don't say I never do anything for you ;) | 22:21 |
| knome | flocculant, i won't! | 22:21 |
| knome | thanks | 22:21 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:21 |
| Unit193 | Maybe, depends on 'tonight' | 22:22 |
| knome | Unit193, next few hours? | 22:22 |
| flocculant | knome: so next thing is - how does a contributor read this stuff? | 22:22 |
| Unit193 | Sounds good. | 22:22 |
| knome | flocculant, we have to figure out the building stuff (which i'm just trying to do with Unit193), then we can build it automatically and make pleia2 update docs.xubuntu.org with it | 22:23 |
| flocculant | ok - ta | 22:23 |
| knome | flocculant, and with 16.04, we will most likely ship the documentation with the system | 22:23 |
| flocculant | yep | 22:23 |
| Unit193 | knome: FWIW, my daily already has it. | 22:23 |
| knome | Unit193, you and your dailies ;) | 22:23 |
| flocculant | knome: when that's done - we can make the site contribute/page a sensible lenght again | 22:23 |
| knome | flocculant, yep | 22:23 |
| flocculant | added that to the bp | 22:26 |
| knome | mhm | 22:26 |
| flocculant | going to talk to akxwi about one of the qa work items | 22:27 |
| Unit193 | I: xubuntu-docs: font-in-non-font-package usr/share/xubuntu-docs/libs-common/fonts/OpenSans-BoldItalic.ttf | 22:29 |
| Unit193 | I: xubuntu-docs: font-in-non-font-package usr/share/xubuntu-docs/libs-common/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf | 22:29 |
| knome | Unit193, there's no open sans package | 22:30 |
| knome | afaik.. | 22:30 |
| Unit193 | Yeah I only found the first file in texlive-fonts-extra and xul-ext-lightbeam. | 22:31 |
| knome | that said, it would be nice to have open sans in a package.. | 22:31 |
| Unit193 | Not gonna do it. | 22:32 |
| knome | not that it would make a lot of difference for me.. | 22:32 |
| Unit193 | Oh, that might not have been directed to me. :D | 22:32 |
| knome | nope, just generally | 22:32 |
| knome | i'm such an art geek i have the whole google fonts repository | 22:32 |
| Unit193 | I agree, just figured I'd point out the informational messages. | 22:32 |
| knome | am aware it isn't the "beautiful" way... but what do you do | 22:33 |
| Unit193 | !info fonts-hack-ttf xenial | 22:33 |
| ubottu | fonts-hack-ttf (source: fonts-hack): Typeface designed for source code, TrueType fonts. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.015-1 (xenial), package size 381 kB, installed size 1549 kB | 22:33 |
| knome | but open sans isn't designed for source code | 22:33 |
| knome | the silly thing is | 22:33 |
| knome | the reason we need those ones is that droid sans doesn't have italic | 22:33 |
| knome | and open sans is "close enough" so people won't notice | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | Hah, oh geez. | 22:34 |
| knome | yeah. | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | knome: Not as is, but could something like https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/docs/branches.html be added? | 22:41 |
| knome | Unit193, totally | 22:41 |
| knome | i plan to migrate all of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes to this documentation too | 22:42 |
| Unit193 | It's in asciidoc format now (s/.html/.txt/), but of course it'd likely be better entirely re-written. :D | 22:42 |
| knome | hah | 22:43 |
| flocculant | knome: well - if we're doing that then there's no reason to get rid of as much of the "I'll just wait for 20 minutes to login to wiki" stuff as we can | 22:43 |
| knome | flocculant, absolutely. | 22:44 |
| flocculant | I can help | 22:44 |
| Unit193 | I've wondered about something that can show expected attendance at a meeting. | 22:45 |
| flocculant | so have I | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | But, not on the wiki... :P | 22:47 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 22:47 |
| flocculant | I wasn't turning up - but now it's taken 2 weeks to login I found a slot :p | 22:48 |
| knome | flocculant, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/revision/474 | 22:49 |
| flocculant | cheers | 22:52 |
| knome | np | 22:53 |
| flocculant | knome: do you want people to help with moving processes? | 22:53 |
| knome | flocculant, i can do it | 22:53 |
| flocculant | okey doke | 22:53 |
| knome | flocculant, i'll likely figure out how i want the stuff organized while i move that | 22:53 |
| knome | ...aand revision 476 pushed with Unit193's changes and the changelog telling flocculant did someting - FOR ONCE | 22:53 |
| knome | ;) | 22:53 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 22:54 |
| Unit193 | knome: Might be able to use bzr-builddeb. | 22:54 |
| knome | Unit193, for what? | 22:54 |
| knome | open sans? ;) | 22:54 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, maybe not. git-buildpackage can construct d/changelog from commits, I just guess it's far better than bzr-builddeb. :---D | 22:55 |
| knome | heh | 22:56 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/PptH6rj4dItauP9FTMcN | 22:56 |
| flocculant | right - I'm done - night all | 22:56 |
| knome | nighty flocculant | 23:00 |
| knome | Unit193, who's maintaining bzr-builddeb then? | 23:01 |
| Unit193 | Not a clue. | 23:03 |
| krytarik | knome: I think I have an idea how to make symlinking 'libs-common' unnecessary :P - if you agree. | 23:13 |
| SwissBot | feed xubuntu-docs had 6 updates, showing the latest 3 | 23:14 |
| knome | krytarik, yes, it we can still maintain the files only in on eplace | 23:15 |
| krytarik | But only after creating a subdirctory for the end-user guide too. | 23:16 |
| krytarik | +e | 23:16 |
| krytarik | I guess I'd go with "user" and "contributor", respectively. | 23:18 |
| krytarik | Or "contrib" even. | 23:18 |
| Unit193 | desktop-guide and contributor-docs is current. ;P | 23:20 |
| krytarik | Unit193: Not when built. | 23:20 |
| krytarik | I'd leave the source dirs as is. | 23:21 |
| krytarik | Depends on how much we want to shuffle around though. | 23:23 |
| krytarik | knome: Tell me when you think it's my turn :P - reg. that, the Makefiles, and the scripts. | 23:50 |
| knome | krytarik, now! :P | 23:54 |
| krytarik | lol | 23:54 |
| knome | i'm fine with changing the dir names | 23:54 |
| knome | and i think it would totally be best to have both in subdirs | 23:54 |
| krytarik | Source dirs too though? | 23:55 |
| krytarik | I think that might be problem for the translations done? | 23:56 |
| krytarik | +a | 23:56 |
| knome | i can't say i would know how it goes from the top of my head, but then again, i don't think it's a huge issue | 23:57 |
| knome | we have the .po files | 23:57 |
| knome | and we can always reimport them | 23:57 |
| knome | but if you are worried about that, it's ok to keep the source dirs as is | 23:57 |
| knome | at least the names now are descriptive | 23:57 |
| krytarik | Yeah, one could search & replace in the .po files. | 23:58 |
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