[07:32] <flocculant> #info gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug
[07:32] <flocculant> #info call for first priority tests went out
[07:32] <flocculant> #info had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start
[07:32] <flocculant> #info had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA
[07:32] <flocculant> #info testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed
[07:32] <flocculant> #info looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs
[07:32] <flocculant> #info QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening
[07:32] <flocculant> #info QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information
[07:32] <flocculant> ochosi: in here is simpler :)
[07:33] <Unit193> \o/
[07:33] <Unit193> I expired, because not really a QA'er. :(
[07:35] <flocculant> I saw you expiring 
[07:38] <Unit193> I'd like to enjoy this moment where I don't have to compile everything 4 times, but it'll be over soon enough.  Is there a page that lists the exact purpose of Xubuntu Bugs team?
[07:39] <flocculant> doubt it 
[07:39] <flocculant> why would it be any different than anyother LP team :p
[07:39] <Unit193> Dang, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin should likely have them but should https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar-dropbox-plugin or another package that's seeded by us?
[07:51] <flocculant> likely them what? 
[07:55] <Unit193> Xubuntu Bugs subscribed, like xfwm4 does.
[07:57] <flocculant> oh right
[07:57] <flocculant> not sure that team does anything but ping people about bugs - which I guess it what it should do 
[10:10] <akxwi_dave> test
[10:14] <akxwi_dave> test
[10:15] <akxwi_dave> bugger, ignore these keep.. keep losing window focus.. :-)
[10:45] <knome> :D
[10:51] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:51] <akxwi_dave> morning
[10:54] <Nairwolf> morning ;)
[10:54] <ochosi> morning everyone
[10:54] <ochosi> well, "morning"
[10:55] <knome> well i woke up about an hour ago...
[10:55] <knome> :P
[10:55] <ochosi> lucky you, my day is already 6 hrs old
[10:56] <knome> yeah
[10:56] <knome> after the meeting i will eat lunch and do something fun with my wife
[10:56] <ochosi> no specifics on the latter please!
[10:56]  * knome puts some more salt on the wounds
[10:56] <knome> ochosi, you sure?
[10:56] <knome> :P
[10:57] <bluesabre> I initially read that as "and do something with my life"
[10:57] <akxwi_dave> lol snap
[10:57] <knome> bluesabre, that too...
[10:57] <bluesabre> :D
[10:58] <knome> i mean, i still have a life, contrary to simon
[10:58] <bluesabre> its early and everything is not as it seems
[10:58]  * knome gets mroe salt
[10:58] <bluesabre> but I am here for the gnome meeting
[10:58] <bluesabre> :p
[10:58]  * knome pours salt on simon's wounds
[10:59] <bluesabre> too bad ochosi is a snail
[10:59] <bluesabre> poor guy
[10:59] <knome> ^ and the cherry on the cake
[10:59] <knome> after all this, a wild krytarik appears
[10:59] <krytarik> \o/
[10:59] <knome> it must be the worst day of simon's life
[10:59] <knome> :D
[11:00] <ochosi> !team | hey everyone, it's meeting time!
[11:00] <ochosi> #startmeeting
[11:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov  3 11:00:28 2015 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[11:00] <knome> o/
[11:00] <krytarik> o/
[11:00] <bluesabre> woo!
[11:00] <ochosi> o/ :)
[11:01] <ochosi> #topic Open action items
[11:01] <ochosi> i don't see any open action items
[11:01] <knome> yep, rc has gone
[11:02] <ochosi> all the others seem done too
[11:02] <ochosi> k, let's move along then...
[11:02]  * slickymasterWork is sort of here
[11:02] <knome> well,
[11:02] <knome> xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns 
[11:02] <bluesabre> hi slickymasterWork 
[11:02] <slickymasterWork> a bit in and out
[11:02] <knome> but that's a work item
[11:02] <ochosi> knome: yeah, but that's in discussion
[11:02] <knome> ochosi, but it's an open action item :P
[11:02] <ochosi> i'd rather re-define the workitem there
[11:02] <ochosi> gah
[11:02] <bluesabre> :D
[11:03] <ochosi> the buraucrat strikes again...
[11:03] <knome> yes
[11:03] <ochosi> ;)
[11:03]  * knome pours more salt
[11:03] <ochosi> #topic Updates and Announcements
[11:03] <ochosi> soo, since there are no team updates anymore, what's new everyone?
[11:03] <ochosi> i saw all the blueprints + tracker are set up for X, so we seem ready to go
[11:03] <knome> #info to see what people have worked on, check http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline
[11:04] <ochosi> knome: i hope you'll post that every time we do a meeting :D
[11:04] <knome> i'll try
[11:04] <ochosi> anyone else any updates?
[11:04] <knome> i guess we should start building up the blueprints more
[11:04] <ochosi> yeah
[11:05] <knome> i'm sure there are still work items that we need to do but aren't listed
[11:05] <ochosi> still mostly skeletons
[11:05] <bluesabre> not much here, just really getting back into the swing of things
[11:05] <bluesabre> probably going to be working on thunar bugs initially
[11:06] <ochosi> mm nice
[11:06] <knome> work on bugs ++
[11:07] <knome> ochosi, did you get the #infos from flocculant ?
[11:08] <ochosi> right
[11:08] <ochosi> thanks for the reminder
[11:08] <ochosi> #info gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> #info call for first priority tests went out (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> #info had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> #info had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> #info testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> #info looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> #info QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> #info QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information (flocculant)
[11:09] <ochosi> any other news or updates from your sides?
[11:09] <bluesabre> oh
[11:10] <bluesabre> nope
[11:10] <bluesabre> :D
[11:10] <knome> well as the tracker says, we set up the contributor docs process
[11:11] <ochosi> yeah, i guess there's no need to repeat what's already on the tracker
[11:11] <ochosi> so let's move along...
[11:11] <ochosi> #topic Discussion
[11:11] <knome> well, i thought it was important enough to note ;)
[11:11] <ochosi> #subtopic 16.04 Wallpaper contest?
[11:12] <ochosi> so, i generally second the idea (as I've already mentioned here when the idea was brought up, i think by dkessel)
[11:12] <knome> yep
[11:12] <ochosi> but i'm a bit doubtful of what the best way to do this is
[11:12] <knome> when dkessel brought this up, i expressed some of my concerns
[11:12] <knome> summarized:
[11:12] <ochosi> last time was - in all honesty - more a "search for nice pics online and get the authors to submit" than really rely on what gets submitted
[11:12] <knome> 1) who'll run the contest and do the work
[11:13] <knome> 2) quality of submissions (as pointed out by simon above)
[11:13] <knome> and i guess 3) licenses need to be checked and all that packaging work done too
[11:14] <bluesabre> I think we used the wiki for submissions last time, right?
[11:14] <knome> 1/3 are the "easier" ones to sort out
[11:14] <knome> bluesabre, yep
[11:14] <bluesabre> let's *not* do that this time :D
[11:14] <ochosi> i'd personally add 4) what's our strategy when there aren't any good submissions? (keep the old ones?)
[11:14] <knome> well
[11:14] <knome> ochosi, kind of related with 2), but yeah
[11:14] <bluesabre> ochosi: we can initially submit the old ones as part of the contest
[11:14] <ochosi> yeah
[11:14] <knome> re: platform for submissions
[11:15] <bluesabre> might even inspire folks to give us their best :D
[11:15] <knome> i would use something that either requires lno login
[11:15] <knome> or if it requires a login, something that accepts a LP login
[11:15] <ochosi> yeah, that was the main advantage of the wiki
[11:15] <ochosi> having the LP SSO
[11:15] <knome> bluesabre, not a bad idea
[11:16] <knome> bluesabre, though are we then really looking for *better* pics, or are "slightly worse" pics going to get a preference because they are "new" ? 
[11:16] <ochosi> yeah +1
[11:16] <knome> because i'd prefer new pics over old ones
[11:17] <bluesabre> knome: well, it's whatever feels right.  If we get a bunch of crap, we choose the old
[11:17] <knome> but i'm not sure if we can actually get "better" submissions at least for the whole bunch
[11:17] <knome> bluesabre, sure, but we need to be ready to give a rationale for this, and it would probably be a good idea to say it aloud before the contest begins
[11:18] <knome> bluesabre, so it's not a surprise to anybody, or that we can't be blamed for skewing the results
[11:18] <bluesabre> yup
[11:18] <knome> that's the part which takes likely the most work
[11:18] <knome> so i think next we'd need volunteers
[11:18] <ochosi> yup
[11:18] <ochosi> agreed
[11:18] <bluesabre> "You may notice a few familiar favorites in the competion. Our choice selects from the last contest are here to duke it out"
[11:21] <bluesabre> I was suggesting that I could potentially build a nice voting tool that compares each to the others and sorts based on +1s... wouldn't be terribly complex I'd imagine
[11:21] <knome> bluesabre, web interface?
[11:21] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:21] <knome> bluesabre, loggable to with LP?
[11:21] <knome> if you write it in PHP, i can help ;)
[11:22] <knome> anyway...
[11:22] <bluesabre> knome: I'll investigate
[11:22] <bluesabre> and yeah, php for sure
[11:22] <knome> #action knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest
[11:22] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest
[11:22] <ochosi> cool, thanks knome 
[11:22] <knome> #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface
[11:22] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface
[11:22] <ochosi> if that ^ fails and we don't find a volunteer to drive this, i guess bluesabre won't have to investigate ;)
[11:22] <ochosi> oops, too late
[11:23] <knome> haha
[11:23] <knome> well actually
[11:23] <knome> #undo
[11:23] <knome> ochosi, ^ you need to do that, you're the chair...
[11:23] <ochosi> #chair knome, ochosi
[11:23] <meetingology> Current chairs: knome ochosi
[11:23] <ochosi> #undo
[11:23] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[11:23] <knome> #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface
[11:23] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface
[11:23] <knome> eh?
[11:23] <knome> #undo
[11:23] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[11:23] <knome> #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest
[11:23] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest
[11:23] <knome> that
[11:23] <bluesabre> lol
[11:23] <ochosi> ok, ready to move on?
[11:23] <knome> yep
[11:23] <bluesabre> yup
[11:24] <ochosi> #subtopic Media manager choice
[11:24] <ochosi> ok, this better be fun
[11:24] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager
[11:24] <ochosi> yeah, i wonder whether there aren#t more options than A and B
[11:24] <bluesabre> there's few of us around, so we have that going for us this morning
[11:24] <knome> options C-> are really just "replace gmb with X"
[11:24] <ochosi> but yeah, i'm ok with only those two as well, makes things easier
[11:24] <knome> where X is a random media manager
[11:24] <ochosi> yeah, maybe we don't want that
[11:24] <ochosi> you're right i guess
[11:25] <knome> but personally, i would probably vote B atm
[11:25] <bluesabre> the thing that bites about gmb is that is developed in a completely different language than all of our other apps
[11:25] <ochosi> should we make this dependent on whether the gmb-crash-on-close bug gets resolved?
[11:25] <bluesabre> so I'm quite a bit less effective for bug review there
[11:25] <knome> ochosi, well that's one of the questions of 
[11:26] <knome> +A
[11:26] <ochosi> i mean it's just something to keep in mind, it's pretty much a showstopper from my pov
[11:26] <knome> ochosi, i mean, option A might not be valid
[11:26] <knome> ochosi, even if the crash bug was fixed
[11:26] <knome> if people thought there are too many other problems with it
[11:26] <knome> or not enough documentation
[11:26] <ochosi> yeah
[11:26] <ochosi> anyhow, is there much to discuss now from your povs?
[11:27] <knome> since we want to resolve this issue ASAP...
[11:27] <knome> i would probably start by voting on whether we want to ship *any* media manager or not
[11:27] <knome> eg. option B or A/C->
[11:27] <Nairwolf> in which language is writtent gmb ? 
[11:27] <knome> Nairwolf, perl
[11:27] <Nairwolf> argh..
[11:28] <knome> ochosi, what do you think?
[11:28] <bluesabre> a media manager is not so essential I feel
[11:28] <knome> well
[11:28] <knome> as i see it
[11:28] <knome> it's very essential for many people
[11:28] <bluesabre> since parole can still *play* everything, the functionality of xubuntu is not immediately degraded
[11:28] <knome> but it's so essential that we can't ever please everybody
[11:28] <knome> because the choice is very personal...
[11:29] <bluesabre> and if I wanted a media manager, I'd want it to manage videos as well
[11:29] <bluesabre> :D
[11:29] <knome> bluesabre, except some of my DVDs
[11:29]  * knome hides
[11:29]  * bluesabre cries
[11:30] <Nairwolf> sorry if my question is stupid, why not using vlc ? It seems to work much better than parole, and it can play videos and music. 
[11:31] <ochosi> Nairwolf: that comes up time and time again
[11:31] <knome> Nairwolf, depends on qt
[11:31] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: vlc does not use GTK (instead uses QT) and brings in additional requirements for a single app
[11:31] <ochosi> the answer is always the same...
[11:31] <ochosi> yeah, i'm in favor of B too
[11:31] <knome> ochosi, third time's the charm... answer it!
[11:31] <bluesabre> go go go!
[11:32] <Nairwolf> sorry guys, I didn't know that
[11:32] <bluesabre> np
[11:32] <Nairwolf> most of xubuntu apps use GTK ? 
[11:32] <knome> none of them use qt
[11:32] <knome> and yeah, *all* of them use gtk
[11:33] <ochosi> ok, it's qt
[11:33] <ochosi> that's the problem :)
[11:33] <knome> so maybe we should set up a poll for keeping a media manager or losing it
[11:33] <bluesabre> (though vlc is a fan favorite of many/many users)
[11:34] <knome> they can install it with the qt dependencies the first second after the installation has finished :)
[11:34] <ochosi> yeah, i guess a poll would be the right thing to do
[11:34] <knome> ochosi, since it's a huge thing for many, would you, as XPL, run that?
[11:35] <Nairwolf> Do you already have some feedbacks about the media player ? 
[11:35] <akxwi_dave> Rythmbox and VC first thing installed for me on anew install
[11:35] <knome> Nairwolf, check the link i pasted above.
[11:35] <ochosi> #action ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager
[11:35] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager
[11:36] <ochosi> alright, ready to move on then?
[11:36] <ochosi> (don't wanna get into the actual discussion here and now
[11:36] <ochosi> )
[11:36] <knome> akxwi_dave, you mean rhythmbox and vlc? because i can't find rythmbox or vc from the repositories ;P
[11:36] <knome> ochosi, yep
[11:36] <bluesabre> knome: you troll
[11:36] <knome> :Ð
[11:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: let's go
[11:36] <ochosi> i always knew knome was not a gnome but a troll!
[11:36] <akxwi_dave> lol.. sorry bad typing  :-)
[11:36] <ochosi> #topic Schedule next meeting
[11:37] <knome> who's in turn
[11:37] <bluesabre> ochosi draws a name out of his fancy top hat
[11:38] <ochosi> meh, can't login on LP now
[11:38] <ochosi> can someone else check the meetings page?
[11:38] <knome> QA: flocculant 
[11:38] <ochosi> oh gee, finally...
[11:39] <ochosi> #action flocculant to schedule the next meeting
[11:39] <meetingology> ACTION: flocculant to schedule the next meeting
[11:39] <ochosi> #endmeeting
[11:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov  3 11:39:15 2015 UTC.  
[11:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-11-03-11.00.moin.txt
[11:39] <ochosi> thanks everyone!
[11:39] <knome> thank you
[11:39] <knome> bbl
[11:39] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi!
[11:40] <ochosi> and minutes are up and i'm out
[11:40] <ochosi> hf and a nice day everyone!
[11:41] <ochosi> (meh, B) is an emoticon ...)
[11:43] <knome> :D
[11:43] <knome> B'''''')
[11:43] <knome> (seriously)
[11:43] <knome> now, seriously off ->
[12:35] <flocculant> thanks all 
[12:35] <flocculant> though I'm pretty sure I was lower down the list ... 
[12:36] <flocculant> knome: re media manager - I wonder if the information from the poll that was done vivid would be helpful 
[12:41] <flocculant> thinking about it - didn't need the info's anymore - though not all of that's on blueprint so no-one would know those things
[12:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: 11 utc ok for you in general? 
[12:59] <jjfrv8> today's daily boots - finally!  I can start package testing on hardware now :)
[13:16] <akxwi_dave> :-)
[16:12] <flocculant> jjfrv8: you know you just needed to apply the fix :)
[16:26] <jjfrv8> flocculant, not on my hardware. I couldn't get recovery mode to get me to a point where I could apply it.
[16:27] <flocculant> jjfrv8: well that's possibly a reportable thing in itself :)
[16:27] <knome> not any more ;)
[16:29] <flocculant> ochosi: scrollbars in thinkgs like synaptic - doing that hide what you're trying to click on issue - not got a clue what to report that against :( do you :D
[16:29] <flocculant> https://youtu.be/OdRj-JolnoA
[19:13] <mozmck> is there a utility to make bootable usb thumbdrives in xubuntu?
[19:15] <flocculant> I install and use gnome-disk-utility 
[19:31] <ali1234> if you just want to make an installer you can just dd the iso to the drive
[19:49] <flocculant> knome: how can I link to a section id= in one file to another with this docbook? 
[19:49] <flocculant> I assume there's a way :p
[20:16] <flocculant> well I thought I worked it out - but guess something's missing :) failed to load external entity "C/olinkdb.xml"
[20:20] <pleia2> flocculant: social mediaed the package testing call (including twitter)
[20:23] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[20:48] <flocculant> thanks krytarik - xref worked :)
[20:48] <krytarik> \o/
[21:03] <flocculant> slickymaster knome - why is that people push to lp:~yourusername/ubuntu-manual-tests/mychanges but if you try and do that with xubuntu-docs it has a fit?
[21:04] <flocculant> I shall look for an answer another time - as I'm now off :)
[21:30] <Unit193> 'gmb is that is developed in a completely different language', yeah, perl.  I like perl better. :P
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, cheers
[21:39] <knome> flocculant, ping me when you're back
[21:44] <Unit193> lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings (NEW) 1.2.0-1 uploaded by James Lu
[21:56] <flocculant> knome: I'm back 
[21:57] <knome> ok, so what's the real question :)
[21:58] <flocculant> you can ignore the first one I sorted that with krytarik's help :)
[21:58] <knome> ok
[21:58] <knome> so the other one
[21:59] <knome> what's the problem with pushing to lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/mychanges?
[21:59] <flocculant> just wonder why I can't bzr push lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/qa like I canbzr push lp:~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/flooblefarble if I so wish 
[21:59] <flocculant> knome: it fails with some perm error
[21:59] <knome> hmm.
[21:59] <knome> let me try that...
[22:00] <flocculant> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "Cannot create 'qa'.
[22:00] <krytarik> "lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/qa" - sure with two "xubuntu-docs"?
[22:00] <knome> that was what i was thinking too
[22:00] <Unit193> That usually means something else, right.
[22:01] <knome> worked for me with lp:~knome/xubuntu-docs/test
[22:01] <Unit193> knome: See my paste on the docs?
[22:01] <flocculant> krytarik: ok - so a double x-d failed it then:) 
[22:01] <knome> Unit193, maybe not, depends what you are referring to
[22:01] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/1HJP8DrvghLSoteEAul6
[22:02] <knome> Unit193, yes i saw that and will keep ignoring it because you clearly know how to push to personal branches and do MP's
[22:03] <flocculant> knome: ok - so I can delete the odd branch I have here called /xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs ?
[22:03] <Unit193> knome: *Hopefully.  Yes, but if you're not interested and just going to reject, I have no interest in yet another bug/mp going down the drain.
[22:03] <knome> flocculant, likely so :D
[22:03] <knome> Unit193, no, it looks good
[22:03] <knome> Unit193, as i said, it's not all prepared yet
[22:03] <knome> Unit193, fwiw, i don't mind how we organize the Makefile
[22:03] <Unit193> OK, good then.  You're fine with contributors → contributors-html was the biggest question I suppose.
[22:03] <knome> well at least in the sense i'd have something against something proposed
[22:04] <knome> Unit193, yeah
[22:04] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/7IRq9JR.png
[22:04] <flocculant> just want to make sure nothing's going to go boom after the other night :p
[22:04] <knome> flocculant, have you done new changes you want to merge?
[22:04] <knome> flocculant, or was it all in the MP i handled?
[22:04] <flocculant> I have - but I just redid it 
[22:05] <knome> oh, ok...
[22:05] <flocculant> knome: there's nothing from me for the user docs pending now at all 
[22:05] <knome> if it isn't in that branch, then feel free to delet
[22:05] <knome> +e
[22:05] <knome> flocculant, mhm, good
[22:05] <knome> flocculant, i saw a mail or something about contributor doc changes
[22:05] <flocculant> yep - that's the new other stuff 
[22:06] <flocculant> right - just proposed those now 
[22:06] <Unit193> Crap.
[22:06] <flocculant> not sure why I ended up with xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs in the first place
[22:07] <flocculant> Unit193: I hope that's not aimed at me :|
[22:07] <Unit193> Well, I already committed, so my merge may be screwed.
[22:08] <knome> slickymaster, FYI, i just turned off automatic translation exports for the docs for xenial
[22:10] <knome> flocculant, so i didn't say this to you (or anybody else yet), but let's try to keep the id's in order
[22:10] <knome> flocculant, i was thinking something like "team-topic-subtopic" for the template
[22:10] <knome> or "team[-topic[-subtopic]]"
[22:11] <flocculant> like /contrib/QA/pages ? 
[22:11] <Unit193> knome: Also, you 'touched' style before push at some point, or I think it was you.  My merge only ran 'make clean' before submission.
[22:11] <knome> flocculant, no
[22:11] <knome> flocculant, in the markup
[22:12] <knome> <section id="tags">
[22:12] <flocculant> then no real clue what you mean - try and remember this is all something new
[22:12] <knome> could be <section id="qa-bugs-tags">
[22:12] <flocculant> aah right 
[22:12] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/276597
[22:12] <knome> that way figuring out the link target would be easier
[22:12] <flocculant> knome: ok - if we want to go with that ^^ then I'll do that now and repush it 
[22:12] <knome> flocculant, if you have the time, sure; if not, i can do that when i merge
[22:13] <flocculant> nope - I can do that now 
[22:13] <knome> flocculant, cheerio
[22:13] <flocculant> not working tomorrow ... 
[22:13] <knome> Unit193, did you see the discussion about porting the scripts to work with two docbook templates?
[22:13] <Unit193> I don't believe so, are you sure they don't almost support it though?
[22:14] <knome> they almost do
[22:14] <SwissBot> feed xubuntu-docs had 20 updates, showing the latest 3
[22:14] <knome> but they have 'desktop-support' hardcoded
[22:14] <knome> err
[22:14] <knome> what am i typing
[22:14] <knome> 'desktop-guide'
[22:14] <knome> so they should likely be able to take a parameter that told which template we are talking about
[22:15] <knome> we figured out it would be sanest if the specifying the template was obligatory, but feel free to disagree
[22:17] <knome> flocculant, another thing for $some_time is figuring out if we want to use the entities for urls in the contributor docs as we do with the end-user docs
[22:17] <Unit193> knome: I'd leave desktop-guide as a fallback, personally.  But doesn't matter much I'd suppose.
[22:17] <knome> Unit193, that would work for me too
[22:18] <flocculant> knome: ok did that tag thing
[22:18] <Unit193> I didn't poke the changelog, bah.
[22:18] <knome> flocculant, thanks!
[22:18] <flocculant> welcome ofc
[22:18] <knome> flocculant, one more thing :P
[22:18] <flocculant> certainly better to do that now than later 
[22:18] <knome> i'll make slickymaster write this in the guidelines
[22:18] <flocculant> knome: pushing it ... :p
[22:18] <knome> do not use capital letters in id names...
[22:19] <knome> that throws me off D:
[22:19] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[22:19] <knome> ETOOWEIRD
[22:20] <knome> otherwise, thanks for the work
[22:20] <knome> i'll take some time tonight to merge that
[22:20] <knome> Unit193, i can wait for another revision :P
[22:20] <knome> Unit193, also, want to collaborate on the script tonight so we can get it sorted out?
[22:21] <flocculant> knome: there you go - don't say I never do anything for you ;)
[22:21] <knome> flocculant, i won't!
[22:21] <knome> thanks
[22:21] <flocculant> :)
[22:22] <Unit193> Maybe, depends on 'tonight'
[22:22] <knome> Unit193, next few hours?
[22:22] <flocculant> knome: so next thing is - how does a contributor read this stuff? 
[22:22] <Unit193> Sounds good.
[22:23] <knome> flocculant, we have to figure out the building stuff (which i'm just trying to do with Unit193), then we can build it automatically and make pleia2 update docs.xubuntu.org with it
[22:23] <flocculant> ok - ta
[22:23] <knome> flocculant, and with 16.04, we will most likely ship the documentation with the system
[22:23] <flocculant> yep 
[22:23] <Unit193> knome: FWIW, my daily already has it.
[22:23] <knome> Unit193, you and your dailies ;)
[22:23] <flocculant> knome: when that's done - we can make the site contribute/page a sensible lenght again
[22:23] <knome> flocculant, yep
[22:26] <flocculant> added that to the bp
[22:26] <knome> mhm
[22:27] <flocculant> going to talk to akxwi about one of the qa work items 
[22:29] <Unit193> I: xubuntu-docs: font-in-non-font-package usr/share/xubuntu-docs/libs-common/fonts/OpenSans-BoldItalic.ttf
[22:29] <Unit193> I: xubuntu-docs: font-in-non-font-package usr/share/xubuntu-docs/libs-common/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf
[22:30] <knome> Unit193, there's no open sans package
[22:30] <knome> afaik..
[22:31] <Unit193> Yeah I only found the first file in texlive-fonts-extra and xul-ext-lightbeam.
[22:31] <knome> that said, it would be nice to have open sans in a package..
[22:32] <Unit193> Not gonna do it.
[22:32] <knome> not that it would make a lot of difference for me..
[22:32] <Unit193> Oh, that might not have been directed to me. :D
[22:32] <knome> nope, just generally
[22:32] <knome> i'm such an art geek i have the whole google fonts repository
[22:32] <Unit193> I agree, just figured I'd point out the informational messages.
[22:33] <knome> am aware it isn't the "beautiful" way... but what do you do
[22:33] <Unit193> !info fonts-hack-ttf xenial
[22:33] <knome> but open sans isn't designed for source code
[22:33] <knome> the silly thing is
[22:33] <knome> the reason we need those ones is that droid sans doesn't have italic
[22:34] <knome> and open sans is "close enough" so people won't notice
[22:34] <Unit193> Hah, oh geez.
[22:34] <knome> yeah.
[22:41] <Unit193> knome: Not as is, but could something like https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/docs/branches.html be added?
[22:41] <knome> Unit193, totally
[22:42] <knome> i plan to migrate all of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes to this documentation too
[22:42] <Unit193> It's in asciidoc format now (s/.html/.txt/), but of course it'd likely be better entirely re-written. :D
[22:43] <knome> hah
[22:43] <flocculant> knome: well - if we're doing that then there's no reason to get rid of as much of the "I'll just wait for 20 minutes to login to wiki" stuff as we can 
[22:44] <knome> flocculant, absolutely.
[22:44] <flocculant> I can help
[22:45] <Unit193> I've wondered about something that can show expected attendance at a meeting.
[22:47] <flocculant> so have I
[22:47] <Unit193> But, not on the wiki... :P
[22:47] <flocculant> ha ha 
[22:48] <flocculant> I wasn't turning up - but now it's taken 2 weeks to login I found a slot :p
[22:49] <knome> flocculant, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/revision/474
[22:52] <flocculant> cheers
[22:53] <knome> np
[22:53] <flocculant> knome: do you want people to help with moving processes? 
[22:53] <knome> flocculant, i can do it
[22:53] <flocculant> okey doke
[22:53] <knome> flocculant, i'll likely figure out how i want the stuff organized while i move that
[22:53] <knome> ...aand revision 476 pushed with Unit193's changes and the changelog telling flocculant did someting - FOR ONCE
[22:53] <knome> ;)
[22:54] <flocculant> \o/ 
[22:54] <Unit193> knome: Might be able to use bzr-builddeb.
[22:54] <knome> Unit193, for what?
[22:54] <knome> open sans? ;)
[22:55] <Unit193> Hrm, maybe not.  git-buildpackage can construct d/changelog from commits, I just guess it's far better than bzr-builddeb. :---D
[22:56] <knome> heh
[22:56] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/PptH6rj4dItauP9FTMcN
[22:56] <flocculant> right - I'm done - night all 
[23:00] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[23:01] <knome> Unit193, who's maintaining bzr-builddeb then?
[23:03] <Unit193> Not a clue.
[23:13] <krytarik> knome: I think I have an idea how to make symlinking 'libs-common' unnecessary :P - if you agree.
[23:14] <SwissBot> feed xubuntu-docs had 6 updates, showing the latest 3
[23:15] <knome> krytarik, yes, it we can still maintain the files only in on eplace
[23:16] <krytarik> But only after creating a subdirctory for the end-user guide too.
[23:16] <krytarik> +e
[23:18] <krytarik> I guess I'd go with "user" and "contributor", respectively.
[23:18] <krytarik> Or "contrib" even.
[23:20] <Unit193> desktop-guide and contributor-docs is current. ;P
[23:20] <krytarik> Unit193: Not when built.
[23:21] <krytarik> I'd leave the source dirs as is.
[23:23] <krytarik> Depends on how much we want to shuffle around though.
[23:50] <krytarik> knome: Tell me when you think it's my turn :P - reg. that, the Makefiles, and the scripts.
[23:54] <knome> krytarik, now! :P
[23:54] <krytarik> lol
[23:54] <knome> i'm fine with changing the dir names
[23:54] <knome> and i think it would totally be best to have both in subdirs
[23:55] <krytarik> Source dirs too though?
[23:56] <krytarik> I think that might be problem for the translations done?
[23:56] <krytarik> +a
[23:57] <knome> i can't say i would know how it goes from the top of my head, but then again, i don't think it's a huge issue
[23:57] <knome> we have the .po files
[23:57] <knome> and we can always reimport them
[23:57] <knome> but if you are worried about that, it's ok to keep the source dirs as is
[23:57] <knome> at least the names now are descriptive
[23:58] <krytarik> Yeah, one could search & replace in the .po files.