=== GridCube_ is now known as GridCube [07:32] #info gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug [07:32] #info call for first priority tests went out [07:32] #info had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start [07:32] #info had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA [07:32] #info testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed [07:32] #info looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs [07:32] #info QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening [07:32] #info QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information [07:32] ochosi: in here is simpler :) [07:33] \o/ [07:33] I expired, because not really a QA'er. :( [07:35] I saw you expiring [07:38] I'd like to enjoy this moment where I don't have to compile everything 4 times, but it'll be over soon enough. Is there a page that lists the exact purpose of Xubuntu Bugs team? [07:39] doubt it [07:39] why would it be any different than anyother LP team :p [07:39] Dang, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin should likely have them but should https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar-dropbox-plugin or another package that's seeded by us? [07:51] likely them what? [07:55] Xubuntu Bugs subscribed, like xfwm4 does. [07:57] oh right [07:57] not sure that team does anything but ping people about bugs - which I guess it what it should do [10:10] test [10:14] test [10:15] bugger, ignore these keep.. keep losing window focus.. :-) [10:45] :D [10:51] morning all [10:51] morning [10:54] morning ;) [10:54] morning everyone [10:54] well, "morning" [10:55] well i woke up about an hour ago... [10:55] :P [10:55] lucky you, my day is already 6 hrs old [10:56] yeah [10:56] after the meeting i will eat lunch and do something fun with my wife [10:56] no specifics on the latter please! [10:56] * knome puts some more salt on the wounds [10:56] ochosi, you sure? [10:56] :P [10:57] I initially read that as "and do something with my life" [10:57] lol snap [10:57] bluesabre, that too... [10:57] :D [10:58] i mean, i still have a life, contrary to simon [10:58] its early and everything is not as it seems [10:58] * knome gets mroe salt [10:58] but I am here for the gnome meeting [10:58] :p [10:58] * knome pours salt on simon's wounds [10:59] too bad ochosi is a snail [10:59] poor guy [10:59] ^ and the cherry on the cake [10:59] after all this, a wild krytarik appears [10:59] \o/ [10:59] it must be the worst day of simon's life [10:59] :D [11:00] !team | hey everyone, it's meeting time! [11:00] hey everyone, it's meeting time!: bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 [11:00] #startmeeting [11:00] Meeting started Tue Nov 3 11:00:28 2015 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [11:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [11:00] o/ [11:00] o/ [11:00] woo! [11:00] o/ :) [11:01] #topic Open action items [11:01] i don't see any open action items [11:01] yep, rc has gone [11:02] all the others seem done too [11:02] k, let's move along then... [11:02] * slickymasterWork is sort of here [11:02] well, [11:02] xubuntu-team to decide on default media player prior to alpha 2 in order to deal with usability and accessibility concerns [11:02] hi slickymasterWork [11:02] a bit in and out [11:02] but that's a work item [11:02] knome: yeah, but that's in discussion [11:02] ochosi, but it's an open action item :P [11:02] i'd rather re-define the workitem there [11:02] gah [11:02] :D [11:03] the buraucrat strikes again... [11:03] yes [11:03] ;) [11:03] * knome pours more salt [11:03] #topic Updates and Announcements [11:03] soo, since there are no team updates anymore, what's new everyone? [11:03] i saw all the blueprints + tracker are set up for X, so we seem ready to go [11:03] #info to see what people have worked on, check http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline [11:04] knome: i hope you'll post that every time we do a meeting :D [11:04] i'll try [11:04] anyone else any updates? [11:04] i guess we should start building up the blueprints more [11:04] yeah [11:05] i'm sure there are still work items that we need to do but aren't listed [11:05] still mostly skeletons [11:05] not much here, just really getting back into the swing of things [11:05] probably going to be working on thunar bugs initially [11:06] mm nice [11:06] work on bugs ++ [11:07] ochosi, did you get the #infos from flocculant ? [11:08] right [11:08] thanks for the reminder [11:08] #info gmb currently disabled from testing re known bug (flocculant) [11:09] #info call for first priority tests went out (flocculant) [11:09] #info had 6 new people arrive at Xubuntu testers since cycle start (flocculant) [11:09] #info had someone (akxwi-dave) join Xubuntu QA (flocculant) [11:09] #info testcases all gone through 1 check, some new changes landed (flocculant) [11:09] #info looking at adding QA 'stuff' to the new contributor docs (flocculant) [11:09] #info QA trello set up so testers can see what's happening (flocculant) [11:09] #info QA trello has a 'Disabled Tests' card there for information (flocculant) [11:09] any other news or updates from your sides? [11:09] oh [11:10] nope [11:10] :D [11:10] well as the tracker says, we set up the contributor docs process [11:11] yeah, i guess there's no need to repeat what's already on the tracker [11:11] so let's move along... [11:11] #topic Discussion [11:11] well, i thought it was important enough to note ;) [11:11] #subtopic 16.04 Wallpaper contest? [11:12] so, i generally second the idea (as I've already mentioned here when the idea was brought up, i think by dkessel) [11:12] yep [11:12] but i'm a bit doubtful of what the best way to do this is [11:12] when dkessel brought this up, i expressed some of my concerns [11:12] summarized: [11:12] last time was - in all honesty - more a "search for nice pics online and get the authors to submit" than really rely on what gets submitted [11:12] 1) who'll run the contest and do the work [11:13] 2) quality of submissions (as pointed out by simon above) [11:13] and i guess 3) licenses need to be checked and all that packaging work done too [11:14] I think we used the wiki for submissions last time, right? [11:14] 1/3 are the "easier" ones to sort out [11:14] bluesabre, yep [11:14] let's *not* do that this time :D [11:14] i'd personally add 4) what's our strategy when there aren't any good submissions? (keep the old ones?) [11:14] well [11:14] ochosi, kind of related with 2), but yeah [11:14] ochosi: we can initially submit the old ones as part of the contest [11:14] yeah [11:14] re: platform for submissions [11:15] might even inspire folks to give us their best :D [11:15] i would use something that either requires lno login [11:15] or if it requires a login, something that accepts a LP login [11:15] yeah, that was the main advantage of the wiki [11:15] having the LP SSO [11:15] bluesabre, not a bad idea [11:16] bluesabre, though are we then really looking for *better* pics, or are "slightly worse" pics going to get a preference because they are "new" ? [11:16] yeah +1 [11:16] because i'd prefer new pics over old ones [11:17] knome: well, it's whatever feels right. If we get a bunch of crap, we choose the old [11:17] but i'm not sure if we can actually get "better" submissions at least for the whole bunch [11:17] bluesabre, sure, but we need to be ready to give a rationale for this, and it would probably be a good idea to say it aloud before the contest begins [11:18] bluesabre, so it's not a surprise to anybody, or that we can't be blamed for skewing the results [11:18] yup [11:18] that's the part which takes likely the most work [11:18] so i think next we'd need volunteers [11:18] yup [11:18] agreed [11:18] "You may notice a few familiar favorites in the competion. Our choice selects from the last contest are here to duke it out" [11:21] I was suggesting that I could potentially build a nice voting tool that compares each to the others and sorts based on +1s... wouldn't be terribly complex I'd imagine [11:21] bluesabre, web interface? [11:21] yeah [11:21] bluesabre, loggable to with LP? [11:21] if you write it in PHP, i can help ;) [11:22] anyway... [11:22] knome: I'll investigate [11:22] and yeah, php for sure [11:22] #action knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest [11:22] ACTION: knome to send a mail about volunteers to run the wallpaper contest [11:22] cool, thanks knome [11:22] #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface [11:22] ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface [11:22] if that ^ fails and we don't find a volunteer to drive this, i guess bluesabre won't have to investigate ;) [11:22] oops, too late [11:23] haha [11:23] well actually [11:23] #undo [11:23] ochosi, ^ you need to do that, you're the chair... [11:23] #chair knome, ochosi [11:23] Current chairs: knome ochosi [11:23] #undo [11:23] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [11:23] #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface [11:23] ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface [11:23] eh? [11:23] #undo [11:23] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [11:23] #action bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest [11:23] ACTION: bluesabre to look into creating a submission/voting interface for the wallpaper contest [11:23] that [11:23] lol [11:23] ok, ready to move on? [11:23] yep [11:23] yup [11:24] #subtopic Media manager choice [11:24] ok, this better be fun [11:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager [11:24] yeah, i wonder whether there aren#t more options than A and B [11:24] there's few of us around, so we have that going for us this morning [11:24] options C-> are really just "replace gmb with X" [11:24] but yeah, i'm ok with only those two as well, makes things easier [11:24] where X is a random media manager [11:24] yeah, maybe we don't want that [11:24] you're right i guess [11:25] but personally, i would probably vote B atm [11:25] the thing that bites about gmb is that is developed in a completely different language than all of our other apps [11:25] should we make this dependent on whether the gmb-crash-on-close bug gets resolved? [11:25] so I'm quite a bit less effective for bug review there [11:25] ochosi, well that's one of the questions of [11:26] +A [11:26] i mean it's just something to keep in mind, it's pretty much a showstopper from my pov [11:26] ochosi, i mean, option A might not be valid [11:26] ochosi, even if the crash bug was fixed [11:26] if people thought there are too many other problems with it [11:26] or not enough documentation [11:26] yeah [11:26] anyhow, is there much to discuss now from your povs? [11:27] since we want to resolve this issue ASAP... [11:27] i would probably start by voting on whether we want to ship *any* media manager or not [11:27] eg. option B or A/C-> [11:27] in which language is writtent gmb ? [11:27] Nairwolf, perl [11:27] argh.. [11:28] ochosi, what do you think? [11:28] a media manager is not so essential I feel [11:28] well [11:28] as i see it [11:28] it's very essential for many people [11:28] since parole can still *play* everything, the functionality of xubuntu is not immediately degraded [11:28] but it's so essential that we can't ever please everybody [11:28] because the choice is very personal... [11:29] and if I wanted a media manager, I'd want it to manage videos as well [11:29] :D [11:29] bluesabre, except some of my DVDs [11:29] * knome hides [11:29] * bluesabre cries [11:30] sorry if my question is stupid, why not using vlc ? It seems to work much better than parole, and it can play videos and music. [11:31] Nairwolf: that comes up time and time again [11:31] Nairwolf, depends on qt [11:31] Nairwolf: vlc does not use GTK (instead uses QT) and brings in additional requirements for a single app [11:31] the answer is always the same... [11:31] yeah, i'm in favor of B too [11:31] ochosi, third time's the charm... answer it! [11:31] go go go! [11:32] sorry guys, I didn't know that [11:32] np [11:32] most of xubuntu apps use GTK ? [11:32] none of them use qt [11:32] and yeah, *all* of them use gtk [11:33] ok, it's qt [11:33] that's the problem :) [11:33] so maybe we should set up a poll for keeping a media manager or losing it [11:33] (though vlc is a fan favorite of many/many users) [11:34] they can install it with the qt dependencies the first second after the installation has finished :) [11:34] yeah, i guess a poll would be the right thing to do [11:34] ochosi, since it's a huge thing for many, would you, as XPL, run that? [11:35] Do you already have some feedbacks about the media player ? [11:35] Rythmbox and VC first thing installed for me on anew install [11:35] Nairwolf, check the link i pasted above. [11:35] #action ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager [11:35] ACTION: ochosi to set up a poll for voting on option A) or B) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/X/DefaultMediaManager [11:36] alright, ready to move on then? [11:36] (don't wanna get into the actual discussion here and now [11:36] ) [11:36] akxwi_dave, you mean rhythmbox and vlc? because i can't find rythmbox or vc from the repositories ;P [11:36] ochosi, yep [11:36] knome: you troll [11:36] :Ð [11:36] ochosi: let's go [11:36] i always knew knome was not a gnome but a troll! [11:36] lol.. sorry bad typing :-) [11:36] #topic Schedule next meeting [11:37] who's in turn [11:37] ochosi draws a name out of his fancy top hat [11:38] meh, can't login on LP now [11:38] can someone else check the meetings page? [11:38] QA: flocculant [11:38] oh gee, finally... [11:39] #action flocculant to schedule the next meeting [11:39] ACTION: flocculant to schedule the next meeting [11:39] #endmeeting [11:39] Meeting ended Tue Nov 3 11:39:15 2015 UTC. [11:39] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-11-03-11.00.moin.txt [11:39] thanks everyone! [11:39] thank you [11:39] bbl [11:39] thanks ochosi! [11:40] and minutes are up and i'm out [11:40] hf and a nice day everyone! [11:41] (meh, B) is an emoticon ...) [11:43] :D [11:43] B'''''') [11:43] (seriously) [11:43] now, seriously off -> === dpm__ is now known as dpm [12:35] thanks all [12:35] though I'm pretty sure I was lower down the list ... [12:36] knome: re media manager - I wonder if the information from the poll that was done vivid would be helpful [12:41] thinking about it - didn't need the info's anymore - though not all of that's on blueprint so no-one would know those things [12:46] bluesabre: 11 utc ok for you in general? [12:59] today's daily boots - finally! I can start package testing on hardware now :) [13:16] :-) [16:12] jjfrv8: you know you just needed to apply the fix :) [16:26] flocculant, not on my hardware. I couldn't get recovery mode to get me to a point where I could apply it. [16:27] jjfrv8: well that's possibly a reportable thing in itself :) [16:27] not any more ;) [16:29] ochosi: scrollbars in thinkgs like synaptic - doing that hide what you're trying to click on issue - not got a clue what to report that against :( do you :D [16:29] https://youtu.be/OdRj-JolnoA [19:13] is there a utility to make bootable usb thumbdrives in xubuntu? [19:15] I install and use gnome-disk-utility [19:31] if you just want to make an installer you can just dd the iso to the drive [19:49] knome: how can I link to a section id= in one file to another with this docbook? [19:49] I assume there's a way :p [20:16] well I thought I worked it out - but guess something's missing :) failed to load external entity "C/olinkdb.xml" [20:20] flocculant: social mediaed the package testing call (including twitter) [20:23] pleia2: thanks :) [20:48] thanks krytarik - xref worked :) [20:48] \o/ [21:03] slickymaster knome - why is that people push to lp:~yourusername/ubuntu-manual-tests/mychanges but if you try and do that with xubuntu-docs it has a fit? [21:04] I shall look for an answer another time - as I'm now off :) [21:30] 'gmb is that is developed in a completely different language', yeah, perl. I like perl better. :P [21:39] pleia2, cheers [21:39] flocculant, ping me when you're back [21:44] lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings (NEW) 1.2.0-1 uploaded by James Lu [21:56] knome: I'm back [21:57] ok, so what's the real question :) [21:58] you can ignore the first one I sorted that with krytarik's help :) [21:58] ok [21:58] so the other one [21:59] what's the problem with pushing to lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/mychanges? [21:59] just wonder why I can't bzr push lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/qa like I canbzr push lp:~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/flooblefarble if I so wish [21:59] knome: it fails with some perm error [21:59] hmm. [21:59] let me try that... [22:00] bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "Cannot create 'qa'. [22:00] "lp:~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/qa" - sure with two "xubuntu-docs"? [22:00] that was what i was thinking too [22:00] That usually means something else, right. [22:01] worked for me with lp:~knome/xubuntu-docs/test [22:01] knome: See my paste on the docs? [22:01] krytarik: ok - so a double x-d failed it then:) [22:01] Unit193, maybe not, depends what you are referring to [22:01] http://paste.openstack.org/show/1HJP8DrvghLSoteEAul6 [22:02] Unit193, yes i saw that and will keep ignoring it because you clearly know how to push to personal branches and do MP's [22:03] knome: ok - so I can delete the odd branch I have here called /xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs ? [22:03] knome: *Hopefully. Yes, but if you're not interested and just going to reject, I have no interest in yet another bug/mp going down the drain. [22:03] flocculant, likely so :D [22:03] Unit193, no, it looks good [22:03] Unit193, as i said, it's not all prepared yet [22:03] Unit193, fwiw, i don't mind how we organize the Makefile [22:03] OK, good then. You're fine with contributors → contributors-html was the biggest question I suppose. [22:03] well at least in the sense i'd have something against something proposed [22:04] Unit193, yeah [22:04] http://i.imgur.com/7IRq9JR.png [22:04] just want to make sure nothing's going to go boom after the other night :p [22:04] flocculant, have you done new changes you want to merge? [22:04] flocculant, or was it all in the MP i handled? [22:04] I have - but I just redid it [22:05] oh, ok... [22:05] knome: there's nothing from me for the user docs pending now at all [22:05] if it isn't in that branch, then feel free to delet [22:05] +e [22:05] flocculant, mhm, good [22:05] flocculant, i saw a mail or something about contributor doc changes [22:05] yep - that's the new other stuff [22:06] right - just proposed those now [22:06] Crap. [22:06] not sure why I ended up with xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs in the first place [22:07] Unit193: I hope that's not aimed at me :| [22:07] Well, I already committed, so my merge may be screwed. [22:08] slickymaster, FYI, i just turned off automatic translation exports for the docs for xenial [22:10] flocculant, so i didn't say this to you (or anybody else yet), but let's try to keep the id's in order [22:10] flocculant, i was thinking something like "team-topic-subtopic" for the template [22:10] or "team[-topic[-subtopic]]" [22:11] like /contrib/QA/pages ? [22:11] knome: Also, you 'touched' style before push at some point, or I think it was you. My merge only ran 'make clean' before submission. [22:11] flocculant, no [22:11] flocculant, in the markup [22:12]

[22:12] then no real clue what you mean - try and remember this is all something new [22:12] could be

[22:12] aah right [22:12] https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/fixes/+merge/276597 [22:12] that way figuring out the link target would be easier [22:12] knome: ok - if we want to go with that ^^ then I'll do that now and repush it [22:12] flocculant, if you have the time, sure; if not, i can do that when i merge [22:13] nope - I can do that now [22:13] flocculant, cheerio [22:13] not working tomorrow ... [22:13] Unit193, did you see the discussion about porting the scripts to work with two docbook templates? [22:13] I don't believe so, are you sure they don't almost support it though? [22:14] they almost do [22:14] feed xubuntu-docs had 20 updates, showing the latest 3 [22:14] but they have 'desktop-support' hardcoded [22:14] err [22:14] what am i typing [22:14] 'desktop-guide' [22:14] so they should likely be able to take a parameter that told which template we are talking about [22:15] we figured out it would be sanest if the specifying the template was obligatory, but feel free to disagree [22:17] flocculant, another thing for $some_time is figuring out if we want to use the entities for urls in the contributor docs as we do with the end-user docs [22:17] knome: I'd leave desktop-guide as a fallback, personally. But doesn't matter much I'd suppose. [22:17] Unit193, that would work for me too [22:18] knome: ok did that tag thing [22:18] I didn't poke the changelog, bah. [22:18] flocculant, thanks! [22:18] welcome ofc [22:18] flocculant, one more thing :P [22:18]