[03:44] Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-convergence-qa [03:44] Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again. [03:45] ^^ Error I'm getting. Anyone get this, too? [03:45] from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22640/convergence-qa/ === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/convergence/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-convergence.html [11:57] elimisteve, join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | Qt for 16.04 LTS | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22570/qt-for-1604-lts/ [13:55] ok so if someone wnats to join the hangout, feel free to start up https://plus.google.com/events/c4rl28824pjdubk89ovm2p6279g [13:56] mhall119: isn't that 'event' url the one people can use if they want to join to the video call? [13:59] Mirv: yes [13:59] and the video url is the youtube one [13:59] thanks [14:00] questions with QUESTION: prefix [14:00] i'll listen [14:04] QUESTION: 5 years is a long time to stay on the same version of Qt, has there been any discussion of adding it to the list of things we will upgrade in LTS point releases without using a PPA? [14:08] I'm asking more for desktops than phones [14:09] QUESTION: Wouldn't it make more sense to aim for Qt 5.6 that is also going to be an LTS so it's a good match? [14:09] if qt has a good test suite, than backporting it should be easier now with the new SRU procedure [14:09] tsdgeos_web: Qt does LTS releases? [14:09] mhall119: Qt 5.6 will be the first [14:09] backporting point releases I mean [14:09] tsdgeos_web: brilliant [14:10] Hi [14:11] if we know it's going to be an qt-LTS we can start shipping the beta.. thoughts? [14:12] anyone know how long the QT5.6 LTS is supported for? [14:15] QUESTION: what can we (the community) do to help land qt5.5? [14:15] oh, what's the bug link? [14:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [14:17] KITTY [14:17] a cat! the internet is happy! [14:19] hahahaha [14:21] I will test it [14:21] QUESTION: For the phone, have we investigated in having two sets of Qt available so that old apps don't break but new apps can use newer Qts? [14:21] I'm on xenial, anyway, I will add the PPA now [14:22] BTW: using the webbrowser-app is gorgeous right now, I'm only missing the ability to download files with it [14:24] I don't see the networking bug you referred to.. on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=OPINION&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=IN [14:24] COMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.tag=qt5.5&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branche [14:24] s=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on [14:24] With the ci-train-ppa-service/landing-012 PPA I'm getting an upgrade of 145 packages, and 3 packages removed (which are the calibre suit, basically) [14:25] we need 5.5 now really [14:25] we'll tell you if we need it, for now we need 5.5 asap [14:25] not yet [14:26] I'm upgrading to 5.5.1, when I'm done I'll reboot and try it out :3 [14:26] jrjrtgerg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.5 [14:27] jrjrtgerg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1508945 [14:27] QUESTION: Since the PPA shouldn't delete pacakges, but calibre gets removed, where can I report it? [14:27] thank you, I'm obviously here on IRC still [14:27] thanks! [14:28] Mirv, where can I report the calibre suit being removed by the PPA? [14:28] vitimiti: ah, no need to report, I've been working on these xenial packages for the last 3 days so some omissions are still there. but pyqt5 just finished building, I will push calibre and it should be hopefully ready for use within 1h! [14:28] vitimiti: I'm aware of all private header using packages that need rebuilds [14:29] Mirv, oh, that's really nice, I'll reinstall it later, then [14:36] Mirv: it's just a month late, no? https://wiki.qt.io/Qt-5.6-release [14:36] it's not that terrible [14:37] tsdgeos: well it's three months late from what they would want (Apr / Oct cycle) and what we would want, but only one month now late from what they considered "let's make late already beforehand" === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [14:38] tsdgeos: but consider Qt 5.5 was out 1st of July and we still haven't managed to land that. by that example, we wouldn't land Qt 5.6 before April/May [14:38] if it takes similar amount of time [14:38] well we would need to put more effort into it, that's for sure :) [14:38] so therefore the hardness to estimate 5.6 [14:39] tsdgeos: I'd welcome that, but I fear people will have some extremely tight deadline comes January / February due to other priorities :) I'm happy if I find my fears unfounded. [14:39] yeah there's always other "more pressing stuff" === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [14:39] it seems [14:42] Hi again, on Qt 5.5.x [14:47] The global menu for QtCreator stopped working [14:47] It appears, until I click on a menu, then it disappears [14:48] But I still can use it through the Alt key [14:49] vitimiti: thanks for testing! the desktop has been less tested than phone, please file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appmenu-qt5/ (and use tag "qt5.5") so that sil2100 can look into that [14:49] I will [14:53] Question: how stable (overall) do people feel the Ubuntuphones are? I saw one the other week and really liked it. [14:55] BrianLinuxing2: if you buy a Ubuntu phone (Bq models currently, I think Meizu may have sold out), it's working pretty stable. I and certainly a lot of others are using it as my only phone, and it serves me well. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | Developer Desktop Plan 16.04 | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22576/developer-desktop-plan-1604/ [14:58] hangout details updated in summit [14:58] If you are joining the video: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH-spuCQ64ZSU22T5-bbBTyadsSoxk_ogT9vAXnTefcoiR-w?hl=en-GB&authuser=0 [14:58] seb128, ^^ [14:59] Mirv, I am giving Qt version, lsb-release, qt-creator version, the PPA I'm using, uname -a and Unity version. Would I need anything else? [14:59] Trevinho, ^^ [14:59] willcooke: yep [15:01] hi o/ [15:01] Hi, cm-t [15:02] vitimiti: just the problem description is pretty much enough, we can get the person behind appmenu-qt5 to test on his own machine [15:02] Nice, I'll post it now [15:03] Just getting ready.... [15:03] hello [15:04] For reference: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-1604-planning-sprint [15:06] live! [15:07] u*o*s and not u*d*s [15:10] QUESTION: will these be CLI/service snaps, or GUI/desktop snaps? [15:10] \o/ [15:12] this session is only for the unity7? [15:12] QUESTION: sorry, one more about snappy apps on the desktop, will these be run under confinement like phone apps, or unconfined like traditional desktop apps? [15:12] core_apps_police, yeah, traditional desktop [15:13] yea, let's not call it developer desktop... that seems odd === uart is now known as uuart [15:15] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-incoming-bug-tasks.html [15:16] Question, maybe didrock can anwnser: Does umake in long term, can be replaced by the regular snappy installer, or ? [15:16] QUESTION: it is hard to find unity 7 documentation (for example how to write scopes) because all the old links from askubuntu etc now go to unity 8 docs. will this be fixed so it's still possible to write unity 7 scopes? [15:16] QUESTION: There will be any change to the default apps? [15:17] uuart: it's still possible, but since it's doing away as soon as we can make it go away, we're not really encouraging people to invest in it [15:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BigDesktopBugScrub [15:18] uuart: that's quite true... difficult to find documentation on that [15:18] the incoming list should be triaged [15:18] by nominating to the "X" series [15:18] then it goes to rls-x-... [15:19] rls-x-tracking? [15:20] mhall119: but it is not going away until 2019! my desktop is using the dash every day and i am not able to customise it because all the docs are for a thing i will not be running for at least two and a half years [15:21] seb128: yes, going with 5.1 ... [15:21] Sweet5hark, thanks [15:21] willcooke, ^ [15:21] QUESTION: willcooke, I floated the idea a while back of upgrading Unity 7 to use the new Scopes API, have you been able to evaluate the work required to do that to see if it's feasible? [15:21] thx Sweet5hark [15:22] https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/python/Unity-7.0.html very old API docs for Unity 7 scopes [15:22] but no longer tutorials for it [15:22] cm-t: also, I plan to be able for ubuntu make to create snappy package in a headless environment. That way, we will deliver directly snaps to user (if the license enable us of course to redistribute the software) [15:22] willcooke: FYI ^ [15:23] seb128, willcooke: ... also LibreOffice will ship with a new default icon theme (breeze instead of human) -- this is already done on xenial as of now ;) [15:23] Will the deb version of Ubuntu move to Unity8? [15:24] anytime in the future [15:24] CheeseBrg, eventually, but not xenial [15:24] didrock: Cool. Thank [15:24] willcooke: thanks, that's what I expected [15:25] QUESTION: we have an emoji font on the phones, will that be available on the desktop? (saw someone ask on G+ a few days ago) [15:25] +1 [15:26] +1, too [15:26] everyone wants that poop emoji [15:26] :) [15:26] hahahaha [15:26] 🙊 [15:27] 👍 [15:28] * mhall119 no longer has an optical drive [15:28] o/ balloons [15:31] ? [15:32] balloons: I'm on lunch break [15:32] QUESTION: can there be emoji support on the ubuntu desktop? (colors, a way to type them easily, use emojione set of icons) [15:33] QUESTION: Will empathy be replaced with something then? [15:33] Or are we just removing chat altogether? [15:34] ^ [15:34] Because I certainly use it [15:34] And I like the integration [15:34] Install it from the archive, none of that is going to go away [15:34] QUESTION: additionally will empathy be removed from main? [15:35] Laney, I'm not worried about it going away, I just thought the social apps were important by default [15:35] Not so much these days [15:35] Like the popular ones stopped working with third party IM clients [15:35] pidgin is still in main, btw [15:35] kyrofa, they are, but if they don't support the services users are using it's not useful [15:35] jrjrtgerg, yeah, but that depends on gtk2... [15:35] (sorry mhall119 I didn't see your question... i'd like to see colours, and an emoji panel to pop up when in text fields) [15:36] seb128, makes sense, thank you [15:36] because of telepathy-haze -> libpurple [15:36] 2questiin about emoji: Read them (cf phone,s font) and type them [15:37] is that different? [15:38] So is the Gnome Software Center going to be the base for the new Ubuntu Software OR is it just a temp solution? [15:39] yes, reading just need a font, typing need a keyboard (hardware or software) layout [15:39] seb128 [15:39] QUESTION: So is the Gnome Software Center going to be the base for the new Ubuntu Software OR is it just a temp solution? [15:39] just a font means that emoji are in black and white only :( [15:39] so reading easy to release, typing, more complex [15:40] CheeseBrg, it will be *the* solution [15:40] willcooke:What does that mean? [15:41] It will be the program to use to install software [15:41] CheeseBrg, GSC will be the software centre [15:41] have you looked into app grid like Ubuntu MATE is using? [15:41] nommy, I think AppGrid is closed source [15:41] it is [15:41] willcooke: Ok. [15:41] I say leave flash off. Firefox will take care of prompting [15:41] it's bsd or mit [15:42] oh, well it used to be proprietary [15:42] Encourage its death [15:42] QUESTION: I will be able to reinstall my purchased apps with the Gnome Software Center? [15:43] Thats what I was wondering. So Unity8 will have its own software center. Thus the Gnome Software Center is a Unity7 solution [15:44] CheeseBrg: yep [15:44] So's everything we talk about here [15:44] thanks everyone [15:44] Thanks [15:45] So for the new Unity7 Software Center, do paid for apps need to be snaps? If not, what is the method to upload new apps or is that disabled? [15:46] Hope I can reinstall the games, if not it was just wasted money? [15:46] core_apps_police, they'll still work on 14.04 [15:46] core_apps_police, but yeah [15:46] core_apps_police, in any case software-center is not going away, it's still in the archive and you can keep using it [15:47] I would imagine that app devs would want to move to snap packaged apps, it makes their lives easier [15:48] willcooke: And the new store will support snap apps? [15:48] CheeseBrg, yeah [15:48] CheeseBrg, well [15:48] there will be a Snap store which can be browsed/installed via the GSC [15:49] and on U8 there will be only a snap store via the scope [15:49] So all current apps in the app store needs to be repackaged as snaps [15:49] the paid for apps I mean [15:51] CheeseBrg, eventually, yes. [15:52] OK === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | Supporting legacy applications on Ubuntu Personal | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22609/supporting-legacy-applications-on-ubuntu-personal/ [16:00] Hmm, not even getting the countdown on the webpage. [16:01] mhall119, I think I need some help here [16:01] i think hangouts are busted right now... i can't get to anything [16:01] kenvandine: You broke all of hangouts instead of just the camera this time! [16:01] indeed [16:02] Time for the beauty classes. [16:02] :) [16:02] please stand by [16:04] give me libertine or give me death! [16:04] I'm not on my usual computer [16:05] balloons: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375920/?ref_=nv_sr_1 [16:05] balloons: lol [16:05] balloons: spoiler: it's mostly death anyway [16:06] ahhhh [16:06] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdyXtsUdGtOgUj6Ep80kY_CMNDiEtC6ujxIY07Y1XAQR2YIIA?hl=en-GB&authuser=0 for those who want to join [16:06] dobey, alecu "He didn't resist temptation. He pursued it. " [16:07] the temptation to run deb packaged X apps on snappy? [16:07] * balloons realizes it all makes sense now. It's a Johnny Depp movie [16:07] stephenw_: sorry, I was away, do you stillneed help with the hangout? === santi__ is now known as santi_ [16:09] I keep refreshing, and I still can't see the stream in the summit page [16:09] bregma_, we can't see you yet [16:09] bregma_: what's the youtube URL? [16:10] bregma_: in the summit page, click on "Edit hangout details": http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22609/supporting-legacy-applications-on-ubuntu-personal/ [16:11] working on it now :-) [16:11] Ah! [16:11] Working now [16:11] I've updated summit [16:11] bregma_: stephenw_: you're good to start [16:11] we see you [16:11] balloons: ^^ [16:12] Oh, heard people in the other room. Back! :-) [16:12] yes you're live now [16:12] bregma_, you've been good for a while now [16:12] bregma_, you are good to go [16:13] running emacs on your fridge [16:14] vim for fridges! [16:14] snappy for all [16:14] LibreOffice compiles for room heating! [16:14] rice krispies go in the pantry, not the fridge [16:16] so we can use apt-get install on personal? [16:16] no [16:16] QUESTION: will libertine apps be confined from each other, or just from non-libertine parts of the system? [16:16] oh [16:17] mhall119: They'll be in each container, there can be multiple per distro series or other archive. [16:17] so how do you install gimp? [16:17] snappy install gimp? [16:17] the front end app for libertine [16:17] mrQ_: libertine-launch apt-get install gimp [16:17] oh x2 [16:17] mrQ_: Though long term there'll be a GUI [16:17] you can run apt-get inside the container, but not the host personal system [16:17] so you can use apt-get install [16:18] ok, i see [16:18] thanks [16:18] "enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot" :) [16:19] Libertine: makes mixing snappy and deb as easy as mixing analogies [16:19] legacy app support has landed in content-hub [16:19] kenvandine: I was that video recently, cool stuff [16:19] so the apps in the container could show up in the peer picker as destination [16:19] Kinda, it's more like mixing a margarita and an elephant. [16:20] that landed this week :) [16:20] kenvandine: how about as the requester? Can gimp use content-hub to get images to edit? [16:20] no [16:20] planned? [16:20] that would require changes to the apps [16:20] no [16:21] you don't want to apply ugly hacks to GtkFileChooser? [16:21] Yeah, I mean if someone in the community wanted to create a patch for GTK we'd be happy if someone built that and made it installable. But this is designed to be enough to limp. [16:21] no [16:21] it would be terrible :) [16:21] and not all apps use that [16:21] So you'd be able to write to a folder and have content hub find that. [16:22] oh x3 [16:23] bregma_: i think you have yourself selected so other people talking don't get focused in the hangout [16:23] can someone un-click bregma_ so we can see who's talking? [16:23] bregma_, can you please focus the video [16:23] bregma_, indeed, click Chris so we can see it [16:23] All I see is bregma [16:23] yeah, ChrisTownsend's video is very small [16:23] poor guy [16:23] kyrofa: Heh, a dream or a nightmare ? [16:23] There we go [16:24] tedg, :D [16:24] it is not in focus [16:24] now it is [16:24] :p [16:24] video is in focus, but not playing [16:25] jdstrand: For instance things that require system level services won't work for instance. [16:25] jdstrand: I'd expect most "leaf applications" to work. [16:25] screen recording apps I assume won't work [16:25] so the legacy apps are running on xmir? [16:25] in a container [16:25] mrQ_: yes [16:25] mhall119: They'd work for recording something in the same XMir ;-) [16:25] dobey: thanks [16:26] true, which means only themselves if I understand bregma_ correctly [16:26] mhall119: As long as you change you're definition of "work" we're good ;-) [16:26] tedg: yeah, I've tried that with my boss, it's not that easy :) [16:26] so what's going on with this video? [16:27] yo dawg, you are about to watch a youtube video inside a hangout streamed thru youtube, so you can youtube while you hangout while you... tube, or something. [16:27] mhall119: you don't like staring at a paused youtube video in a hangout? [16:27] can we have the link to the video? [16:27] bregma_, ChrisTownsend are we going to play the video or? [16:27] dobey: that's my new definition of "work" :) [16:27] I hope that one day, we'll all be able to use the web through Google Hangouts. [16:27] bregma_, we're staring at a blank youtube page [16:27] it doesn't load all the video [16:28] ChrisTownsend: did you put it into fullscreen? [16:28] ChrisTownsend: I think you've selected the browser but not the full screened window. [16:28] ChrisTownsend: You need to select the window after making it full screen. [16:29] no, we can see the video fine [16:29] it's locked to his video [16:29] omg just give us the link :D [16:29] bregma_, had it locked [16:29] well now it's unlocked :/ [16:29] :) [16:29] can we get some designers to fix hangouts so people can understand how to use it? :) [16:29] Technology sucks. [16:29] technology \o/ [16:29] enchanche url [16:29] got it [16:30] * tedg can't wait to get the video via cassette tape [16:30] lol [16:30] LOL [16:30] so what is the difference between libertine and puritine? [16:30] * dobey sends tedg a betamax version [16:30] awesome :D [16:30] wat?? what is puritine? [16:30] QUESTION: so what is the difference between libertine and puritine? [16:30] Yeah, didn't realize that the fullscreen had to be selected. [16:30] yes [16:31] QUESTION: can you share the youtube link? [16:31] Sorry 'bout that. [16:31] you can un-select chris now [16:31] Heh, it's fun to watch ChrisTownsend [16:32] ChrisTownsend, strike a pose [16:32] Dance developer, dance! [16:32] lol [16:32] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtjTwJsfdJU [16:32] THANKS [16:32] ChrisTownsend: thanks [16:32] bregma_: so is puritine like a proof of concept or reference implementation of libertine? [16:33] * tedg is very excited [16:33] * mzanetti too [16:33] QUESTION: How can we try this out for ourselves? [16:33] QUESTION: Will this work for games or graphically intensive apps? [16:33] QUESTION what if I have an app that doesn't work with it, will it be fixed or only the big programs [16:33] read: Steam [16:34] balloons: It'll depend on the app, but for the most part XMir pulls the GL through directly to Mir. So for instance the WebGL aquarium demo worked well. [16:34] QUESTION: How can we report bugs or provide feedback should we try it out after the session? [16:34] justCarakas: Probably Canonical will have a set of applications that it supports, but as people have problems we'd be happy to work with them to get their fixes and problems addressed. [16:36] QUESTION: for apps that are .deb packaged but will run in Mir, can those run in libertine without X11? [16:36] QUESTION: and the opposite, an app that needs X11 but can be snap packaged, can those use libertine? [16:37] mhall119: Yes, we have an explicit desktop file key that needs to be set. [16:37] tedg: you should be on the hangout answering these :) [16:37] mhall119: Yes, we have an explicit desktop file key that needs to be set :-) [16:38] Ah, well, you won't have a DISPLAY variable depending on the Desktop file :-) [16:39] mhall119: do multi-windows apps like gimp and such, work well on mir? [16:39] dobey: not yet, but they're working on that [16:40] jdstrand: It should just work if you add a "stage-packages: xmir" [16:40] jdstrand: You'll get quite a bit added to your snap. But "should work" [16:43] QUESTION: Any issues with devices? For instance, will my USB connected devices be ok? Can I scan, print, provide input without worry? [16:44] balloons: has a question [16:44] ^^ [16:46] Yeah, I can't imagine that we'd be able to support HW access. [16:46] QUESTION: Any integration plans between the container and unity8 besides content hub? Or can we expect access issues like this with HW [16:46] i guess it will be easier to just use a VM for legacy apps [16:47] QUESTION: is networking done via bridge or ? [16:47] tedg: how am i going to run the windows app in wine that i need to talk over a serial port? :) [16:47] dobey: MS will sell you a Slate ;-) [16:47] xmir wine exe [16:47] tedg: i'll charge it to your card :) [16:48] tedg: and be sure to only use it with your wifi network, so it doens't upload my wifi passwords to the open internet ;) [16:48] dobey: That's a feature! [16:49] "Upload to NSA"™ [16:49] QUESTION: from where can we download Ubuntu Personal and how can we install it? [16:49] there is one question [16:50] mrQ_, video is a little delayed :) [16:50] oh x4 [16:50] thanks kyrofa :D and all [16:50] nice session [16:51] thanks for the session guys! [16:51] Thanks bregma_ ChrisTownsend jdstrand tyhicks ! [16:51] Thanks! [16:52] seems more fun to grill you from IRC I suppose [16:52] Now to watch ChrisTownsend 's video :-) [16:54] Love the recommended videos from this one. [16:55] I'm definitely watching the wedge cake video [16:55] Wha??? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/convergence/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-convergence.html [16:58] ChrisTownsend: Cool progress on the GUI app. [16:58] tedg: Thanks:) [17:43] yes just in time === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | Developing Unity 8 | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22633/developing-unity-8/ [17:59] Unity8 session starting in ~1 minute [18:00] Ok, let's go for it [18:01] https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/ [18:04] is start? [18:04] should [18:04] i'm speaking [18:04] very cool [18:05] I see nothing [18:05] i'm wathing your [18:05] yes black video but soon [18:05] ChanServ: tsdgeos speaking [18:05] in video [18:05] soon [18:05] can you see the video? [18:05] or just audio? [18:05] I see and hear nothing [18:06] none is just a black rectangle [18:06] nothing [18:06] with a starting soon text [18:06] Starting soon... [18:06] technical problems [18:07] mhall119: any help? it says live but people can't see me [18:07] turn camera on [18:07] is black becose camera is not on [18:07] tsdgeos: what's the youtube URL? [18:07] is over :( [18:07] ok [18:07] oh no [18:07]