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| dholbach | slangasek, do you know who's running the node.js/libv8 session? | 14:49 |
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| dholbach | slangasek, ping? | 14:55 |
| dholbach | alecu, do you maybe know who's running the next session? | 14:55 |
| alecu | dholbach: it says "Created by: Matthias Klose" | 14:58 |
| dholbach | ok... but he's not online | 14:58 |
| dholbach | slangasek, ^ | 14:58 |
| dholbach | I can set the session up | 14:59 |
| dholbach | but I'm not sure what to say................. | 14:59 |
| ogra_ | you could show a slideshow of nice V8 cars :P | 15:00 |
| alecu | dholbach: I guess somebody from distro and the people in security team that are marked as attending the session need to be in that | 15:01 |
| dholbach | setting it up now | 15:01 |
| alecu | dholbach: I'm joining because we are using node.js and v8 for the new scope bindings. | 15:01 |
| dholbach | ok, give me another sec or two | 15:01 |
| tyhicks | can chrisccoulson and I join the hangout? | 15:02 |
| dholbach | sure | 15:02 |
| dholbach | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeYeH42x7l09uefcnXCEwsjsCdU5h69oxDhB-7mgeYodV05bA | 15:02 |
| alecu | great | 15:02 |
| slangasek | dholbach: sorry, was working on getting it set up; I'll join that one | 15:03 |
| dholbach | we'll start in a minute | 15:04 |
| dholbach | Notes are up here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-nodejs-and-libv8-for-1604 | 15:07 |
| marcustomlinson | yes node embeds v8 it does not depend on a shared v8 | 15:12 |
| marcustomlinson | we are embedding node into our own binary | 15:14 |
| marcustomlinson | as it is not available in universe or main | 15:14 |
| marcustomlinson | our executable embeds node and is shipped within a scope click | 15:15 |
| marcustomlinson | we take on the responsibility of keeping the node we embed up to date | 15:16 |
| marcustomlinson | we update node, we fix our internals, and our API/ABI to remain stable | 15:18 |
| dholbach | marcustomlinson, if you want to join the hangout, let me know | 15:18 |
| marcustomlinson | (sorry I have bronchitis, voice is broken) | 15:19 |
| dholbach | ok, no worries | 15:19 |
| dholbach | I relayed your comment | 15:19 |
| marcustomlinson | yes, v8 code is litterally part of the node source tree | 15:27 |
| marcustomlinson | https://github.com/nodejs/node/tree/master/deps/v8 | 15:28 |
| marcustomlinson | they pull it in statically, no dynamic linking | 15:28 |
| tyhicks | get to feeling better, marcustomlinson :) | 15:28 |
| marcustomlinson | tyhicks: will do | 15:29 |
| marcustomlinson | :) | 15:29 |
| dholbach | yeah, all the best! | 15:29 |
| dholbach | doko, do you know if barry is running the next session? | 15:50 |
| doko | dholbach, we will be both there, he created https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-x-python3-only | 15:51 |
| dholbach | ok... is anyone of you setting up and running the session? | 15:51 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions | 15:51 |
| dholbach | hey barry | 15:52 |
| dholbach | are you setting up and running the session? | 15:52 |
| barry | dholbach: hi | 15:52 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions | 15:52 |
| barry | yeah, i guess i should go to the other room now (we're sprinting | 15:52 |
| dholbach | ok cool | 15:53 |
| dholbach | let me know if you need help | 15:53 |
| barry | dholbach: technically it's doko's session :) | 15:55 |
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| dholbach | ok... | 15:55 |
| dholbach | I asked doko earlier | 15:56 |
| dholbach | I wasn't quite sure who was running it | 15:56 |
| slangasek | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdzlG929T3_3v8ifrDi3Hp2h0Tz8wZVRcdk07fcQA61nJdA6g?hl=en&authuser=0 | 15:58 |
| dholbach | I think the time of the session was set wrong | 15:58 |
| dholbach | the video currently says 9:00:45 | 15:59 |
| slangasek | barry: ^^ | 15:59 |
| dholbach | but maybe it doesn't matter and you can just hit start and it'll just work | 15:59 |
| slangasek | dholbach: hmmm I said 'starting now' :) | 15:59 |
| dholbach | I don't know <3 | 15:59 |
| dholbach | oh ok | 15:59 |
| dholbach | that's on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22568/python3-only-on-the-images/? | 15:59 |
| dholbach | 8:59:50 now | 16:00 |
| slangasek | dholbach: when creating the hangout | 16:00 |
| slangasek | so anyway, I don't know | 16:00 |
| dholbach | maybe just start the hangout and see if it works | 16:01 |
| doko | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=python3 | 16:02 |
| barry | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-x-python3-only | 16:02 |
| dholbach | ok, seems to be working :) | 16:02 |
| dholbach | yes | 16:03 |
| dholbach | can hear you | 16:03 |
| dholbach | go go go | 16:03 |
| dholbach | :) | 16:03 |
| dholbach | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PnPLZRM2hu7ucv1yuq7Fd5hjNw_DYupHIYZpoP4-xHk/edit?pli=1#gid=1918227221 | 16:03 |
| smadden_landscap | landscape-client-ui-install can be purged. It is unsupported today | 16:05 |
| slangasek | smadden_landscap: oh great :) | 16:05 |
| slangasek | smadden_landscap: did you want to join us on the hangout, or are you just delivering the good news? | 16:06 |
| smadden_landscap | sure, I'd like to join | 16:06 |
| slangasek | smadden_landscap: //plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdzlG929T3_3v8ifrDi3Hp2h0Tz8wZVRcdk07fcQA61nJdA6g?hl=en&authuser=0 | 16:06 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, any ideas on what Python2 is needed by U7? | 16:06 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: it's needed by Autopilot, but not by unity itself I think | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | let me check whether the unity script needs, it but I don't think so | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | or the migration scripts.. | 16:08 |
| barry | willcooke: tools/unity.cmake | 16:08 |
| jrjrtgerg | the unity scope depends on software-center in my testing (or at least apt daemon) | 16:09 |
| barry | willcooke: LP: #1512909 | 16:09 |
| barry | (there's a patch for that but it doesn't build yet for unrelated reasons i think) | 16:09 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, ^^ | 16:10 |
| demmot | you can authenticate to the rnr server and or the store without using the ubuntu-sso-client fairly easily | 16:13 |
| demmot | it's a few oauth calls | 16:13 |
| demmot | unity scope applications gets its data from the software-center database though.. | 16:14 |
| willcooke | thanks demmot | 16:15 |
| willcooke | seb128, I'll speak to robert_ancell about that ^^ | 16:15 |
| seb128 | willcooke, k, thanks | 16:15 |
| smoser | rdepends also shows python-apt | 16:22 |
| Laney | hi | 16:22 |
| Laney | yes I think that g-s uses xapian | 16:22 |
| Laney | via libappstream | 16:23 |
| Laney | you can see they are linked | 16:23 |
| Laney | seb128: slangasek | 16:23 |
| slangasek | Laney: thanks | 16:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 16:25 |
| dholbach | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781913 | 16:26 |
| dholbach | ? | 16:27 |
| doko | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781913 | 16:27 |
| slangasek | barry, doko: we seem to have skipped over system-config-printer on the desktop? | 16:34 |
| slangasek | sorry, my hangouts connection failed, so the broadcast will have been interrupted | 16:34 |
| zyga | hey | 16:36 |
| smoser | oh.. to come back to it. | 16:36 |
| smoser | cloud images were free of python2.7 | 16:36 |
| zyga | about checkbox | 16:36 |
| smoser | but not libpython2.7 | 16:36 |
| zyga | python2 is only needed by one test | 16:36 |
| smoser | there was a vim bug /dep on libpython2.7 | 16:36 |
| zyga | we can drop that test from the desktop | 16:36 |
| zyga | it's OpenCV related AFAIR | 16:36 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1512642 | 16:37 |
| willcooke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/1512641 | 16:37 |
| zyga | we can easily separate that as checkbox and the tests are separate packages | 16:37 |
| willcooke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/1512642 | 16:37 |
| zyga | checkbox and plainbox are pure python3 | 16:37 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1512641 | 16:37 |
| doko | smoser, we could just build vim with python3 bindings | 16:37 |
| smoser | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729924 | 16:37 |
| zyga | we requested the removal of the checkbox package to replace it with a new stack that uses SDK apis | 16:37 |
| smoser | infinity had some comments on that (vim and python3) | 16:37 |
| zyga | so please stay reassured that checkbox will by python3 clean :) | 16:37 |
| barry | zyga: thanks | 16:38 |
| zyga | :-) | 16:39 |
| doko | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas/+bug/1440504 | 16:39 |
| yofel | Well, from a kubuntu side we can look at things ourselves, but we're also affected by stuff like apt-xapian-index or ubuntu-sso-client, so some coordination place would be nice | 16:40 |
| dholbach | barry, there's delay | 16:42 |
| smoser | (i've verified and updated etherpad. 15.10 server install with default ends up with only libpython2.7-*, and that is rdpended on only by vim) | 16:43 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/13102639/ | 16:43 |
| smoser | cloud image now has lxd -> lxc -> cloud-image-utils . and smoser will drop/fix cloud-image-utils need of python2 | 16:43 |
| jrjrtgerg | plan is to drop ubuntu software center really soon? | 16:46 |
| yofel | nah, the bugs are probably enough | 16:47 |
| yofel | we can just mark those as affecting it | 16:47 |
| barry | yofel: cool thanks | 16:47 |
| yofel | *affecting us | 16:47 |
| jrjrtgerg | lubuntu bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1465313 | 16:47 |
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| jrjrtgerg | samba and system-config-printer seem like the big ones that are cross flavor issues | 16:48 |
| smoser | https://gist.github.com/smoser/8904199bb8f00a90dd04 | 16:49 |
| slangasek | are you familiar with this technique? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13102740/ | 16:52 |
| slangasek | (we may have talked about this before, smoser ?) | 16:53 |
| smoser | i did see that. | 16:53 |
| smoser | slangasek, yeah. | 16:53 |
| smoser | its interesting. | 16:53 |
| smoser | curtin has a solution too | 16:53 |
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| barry | > | 17:04 |
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| cyphermox | http://youtu.be/I4ci-GeJIQw | 17:59 |
| cyphermox | ^ for anyone who wants to follow, we'll watch questions on IRC too of course | 17:59 |
| cyphermox | who is here for this session | 17:59 |
| cyphermox | ? | 17:59 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: can we share the hangout url here too for anyone else who wants to join the discussion? | 18:00 |
| cyphermox | yeah I was just grabbing that | 18:00 |
| cyphermox | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/qmal77cb6ezen6vpzuovvs3lkua | 18:00 |
| cyphermox | ^ the hangout URL | 18:00 |
| cyphermox | I won't make it broadcast unless we aren't the only ones here for the session though | 18:01 |
| slangasek | cmagina: hi, here to talk about capsule updates? | 18:01 |
| ogra_ | nespresso ! | 18:01 |
| cyphermox | ogra_: ? | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | (no, wait , different capsules) | 18:02 |
| slangasek | heh, nespresso capsules | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | :) | 18:02 |
| cyphermox | eep. | 18:02 |
| TJ- | I'm here :) but not on hangouts/whatever | 18:02 |
| cmagina | slangasek: curious about it :) | 18:02 |
| pjones | cyphermox: turns out I can't watch it anyway due to some video compat problem :P | 18:02 |
| slangasek | sorry this capsule is not signed with the right key | 18:02 |
| cyphermox | alright, let's give it a go then | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | haha | 18:02 |
| slangasek | pjones: shoulda run Ubuntu | 18:02 |
| slangasek | ;) | 18:02 |
| TJ- | Interested in this since I've had some experience with capsule updates - painful | 18:03 |
| pjones | slangasek: oh yeah, that's probably the issue :P | 18:03 |
| cyphermox | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-core-1511-efi-capsule-and-fallback | 18:04 |
| TJ- | I looked at the blueprint; i'd suggest the capsule path be /usr/share/uefi/capsule/ or similar, rather like /usr/share/misc/, rather than /opt/<vendor>/ | 18:05 |
| cyphermox | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1511-efi-capsule-and-fallback | 18:06 |
| cyphermox | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-w-uefi-capsule-update | 18:07 |
| superm1 | https://secure-lvfs.rhcloud.com/ | 18:09 |
| superm1 | is the URL | 18:10 |
| TJ- | Also, with the fwupdate tool, some easy-to-use mechanism to delegate the update work to a BIOS vendor's own tooling, such as H2O-FFT | 18:10 |
| superm1 | fwupd puts it the appstream data in /var/cache | 18:10 |
| pjones | (also https://beta-lvfs.rhcloud.com/ may be more interesting) | 18:11 |
| superm1 | and of course http://www.fwupd.org/ being most interesting | 18:12 |
| superm1 | gnome-software | 18:14 |
| superm1 | has support for fwupd | 18:14 |
| superm1 | already | 18:14 |
| superm1 | once fwupd clears NEW in debian we were planning to enable it in Debian with gnome-software too | 18:14 |
| superm1 | the vendor specific tooling isn't supposed to be activated until UpdateCapsule() is called. it's all a vendor specific implementation at that point | 18:19 |
| cyphermox | TJ-: do you have more questions? | 18:22 |
| cyphermox | quigley: and you? | 18:22 |
| TJ- | Idea rather than question: Being able to preload a portable image with many capsules and use it on multiple systems should be a use-case to cover. Enterprises may not want to risk their users handling/invoking a firmware update, but have it done either remotely, by PXE boot image, or USB mass-storage | 18:22 |
| superm1 | mass storage is already supported | 18:23 |
| superm1 | fwupdmgr install blah.cab | 18:23 |
| quigley | I don't see why that wouldn't just work | 18:23 |
| cyphermox | you could already do that, as long as the device loads the efi binary for fwupdate | 18:23 |
| pjones | TJ-: from an upstream perspective, we've been assuming the enterprise will have the ability to remotely schedule it without the user involved, but it still runs through the local userland software | 18:23 |
| TJ- | Good. just didn't see anything specific mentioning it | 18:24 |
| superm1 | at least today most BIOS'es don't support PXE in UEFI mode | 18:24 |
| superm1 | you have to load a CSM | 18:25 |
| pjones | (pxe booting it won't *quite* work yet; we need a local filesystem currently. but it's on my todo without a lot more work to do on it.) | 18:25 |
| cyphermox | but it can be done | 18:25 |
| pjones | superm1: lots do support dhcp+tftp (as opposed to the bios "pxe" api), but yeah. | 18:25 |
| cyphermox | oh right, because we look locally for the firmware images? | 18:25 |
| pjones | cyphermox: right; right now we don't support network device paths | 18:25 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 18:25 |
| superm1 | yeah, but that's also assuming a working network stack in the BIOS at that time too | 18:25 |
| pjones | I have like 80% of that in my local tree from this friday. | 18:26 |
| pjones | superm1: yes, it is. | 18:26 |
| TJ- | The only thing that occurs to me, based on the Whiteboard... is there a Process: Option 0 = a check-script that looks up the system ID against available updates and lets the user know... which would lead to Options 1/2 | 18:26 |
| TJ- | in other words, prior to a download action by the user, to make them aware without them needing to initiate | 18:27 |
| cyphermox | TJ-: right now you need to run fwupdmgr refresh to look for updates, it could be cronned | 18:29 |
| cyphermox | but in the future we might want to get that done graphically/automatically some other way | 18:30 |
| pjones | I think if you're using gnome-software it'll do that for you? | 18:30 |
| cyphermox | ie. gnome-software that we mentioned earlier | 18:30 |
| slangasek | well, and in fact if this is going to be using the appstream service and using gnome-software, there will need to be integration for that | 18:30 |
| * pjones isn't really sure about that end of the stack | 18:30 | |
| slangasek | today we use a cronjob + update-notifier to display the status of update availability | 18:30 |
| zyga | superm1: hey, I'm curious about pxe and uefi mode, why is that not supported? | 18:30 |
| cyphermox | slangasek: it's not like we couldn't do what software updates do already, look every once in a while and ask the user ifthey want to apply the new updates | 18:31 |
| slangasek | I don't know in the gnome-software world what polls for updates, but that would surely need to poll this service | 18:31 |
| pjones | zyga: many firmwares don't support it, and those that do typically only recognize the addressing if they've been configured to boot via the network | 18:31 |
| pjones | zyga: so even if they know about it, using the network to fetch the image without actually /booting/ from it won't work without a lot more code. | 18:32 |
| cyphermox | right | 18:32 |
| zyga | I see | 18:32 |
| pjones | zyga: so basically because hardware vendors believe netboot is a value add and don't support it on their low-end machines. | 18:32 |
| superm1 | zyga: traditional PXE support as we all know and love comes from the CSM generally (legacy boot mode) | 18:32 |
| superm1 | UEFI netboot operates a bit differently in what you'll actually be booting | 18:33 |
| zyga | I'm interested in using the UEFI network stack | 18:33 |
| zyga | to do $stuff | 18:33 |
| zyga | where stuff is related to replacing what I'm booting | 18:34 |
| pjones | zyga: at the risk of being too helpful to ubuntu people, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_UEFI_pxeboot :) | 18:35 |
| pjones | except that was written for our hacked up grub 0.97 efi binary; substitute a grub.cfg for the obvious difference. | 18:36 |
| zyga | pjones: interesting, I was thinking about something slightly different but I will check it out to lear more about it | 18:36 |
| zyga | pjones: I was thinking about using the network stack to boot one or other local disk | 18:36 |
| zyga | pjones: not about complete netboot | 18:37 |
| TJ- | cron-job + update-notifier approach would be good especially for headless hardware, and to support non-gnome flavours | 18:38 |
| superm1 | TJ-: yeah a script around fwupdmgr refresh and grep fwupdmgr get-updates would be sufficient for that. when you want to do an update it's just fwupdmgr update | 18:39 |
| TJ- | longer-term, something like the debian/control Modaliases: might be useful too, to search archive packages using ubuntu-drivers | 18:40 |
| pjones | TJ-: superm1: if either of you wanted to help with that in fwupd , a "give me esrt info for this system" and a "look up info for this arbitrary ESRT dataset" call would let you split that up pretty nicely... | 18:42 |
| TJ- | Good to see the progress on this; seeing far too much firmware-bug induced user issues the past 12 months - that combined with ACPI firmware bugs | 18:42 |
| superm1 | it would be easier to teach ubuntu-drivers to parse appstream data in my opinion | 18:42 |
| pjones | so you could connect to dbus with whatever remote agent you have and ask for details, and then grab stuff on a common server end. | 18:43 |
| superm1 | than to repackage all the data into dummy debian packages | 18:43 |
| TJ- | superm1: right, just thinking about the common tool and how it currently works | 18:43 |
| pjones | Well, write what you like. I just hope we can avoid too much unneeded duplication of effort. | 18:44 |
| superm1 | Yeah agree | 18:44 |
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| h4ck3r | secureboot sign for ubuntu EFI | 18:59 |
| h4ck3r | is there any method to implements signature for EFI with ubuntu EFI file? | 19:00 |
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