=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-plenary.html === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [13:36] hey guys === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [16:36] <_Ridgewing> 25 minutes to go till Jane ! [16:48] o/ [16:49] everyone ready for the Q&A? === ahmed is now known as Guest50072 === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Track: | Ask the CEO: Jane Silber's Q&A | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22613/ask-the-ceo-jane-silbers-qa/ [16:55] q and a time! [16:57] <_Ridgewing> dpm: I am, not sure about the oTher guys. [16:59] * _Ridgewing slides PopeyFan a beer. [17:00] uhoh [17:00] ok, about to start [17:00] <_Ridgewing> ok [17:00] <_Ridgewing> Where do we paste questions in ? Here or the etherpad ? [17:00] ok [17:01] QUESTION: Are Microsoft buying Canonical :) ? [17:01] <_Ridgewing> I can see Jane . [17:01] LOL [17:01] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Can you give us 'some' idea as to what month the Convergence Phone will be ready in the online stores ? [17:01] popey: you can do tech support calls for them :) [17:01] true [17:01] thanks everyone, [17:02] :D [17:02] picking the first questions now [17:02] Question: Jane, what are your thoughts on the UbuntuPhone? Release date, markets, availability etc [17:02] <_Ridgewing> Question: what are your thoughts on religion and believe system ? e.g. Is Open source a belief system ? [17:03] QUESTION: what current Ubuntu development are you most excited to see happening over the next year? [17:03] <_Ridgewing> **belief [17:03] QUESTION: What laptop do you personally own, so we know which one to get which will get bugs fixed faster :) ? [17:03] QUESTION: When will Unity8 land for broader testing? When do you think it will be default? [17:03] >< popey [17:03] popey, hahaha [17:03] QUESTION: How has the return rate of the devices been? And are the manufacturers generally happy with how the releases have gone? [17:03] QUESTION: are the orange matchboxes (raspbery pi) for sale? and if not why not [17:03] good questions everyone! [17:03] oh, missed popey's one! [17:03] outrage! === Guest50072 is now known as zaki [17:04] hah [17:04] popey: lol [17:04] Good question about the phone. [17:04] <_Ridgewing> good answer ! [17:04] dpm, that tells everything !!! [17:04] QUESTION: I remember in a previous Q&A you said that you personally use WhatsApp and need it on your daily driver phone, is there any progress on partnering with Facebook to get that, or are you working on migrating to Telegram? [17:04] ↑ that means it is included or not in the "good questions" everyone ? [17:04] this is so cool, I feel like a "fangirl" when the ceo at canonical here! [17:04] QUESTION: what happened with the Meizu Ubuntu Phones? [17:04] (softpedia: canonical not wanting to admit being bought by microsoft in public !!) [17:05] ogra_: lol [17:05] wow, great questions everyone! [17:05] dpm: thanks [17:06] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Where did you go to University ? [17:06] Question: are Canonical intent on buying Microsoft ? :) [17:06] "everyone" does this really include popey ? [17:06] cm-t: haha [17:06] QUESTION: Are there any partners Ubuntu is in talks with that have a focus on North America? [17:06] What's the new about ROS (Robot Operating System) in ubuntu [17:07] <_Ridgewing> ^ ryanleesipes : excellent question ! [17:07] (In regards to the phone) [17:07] QUESTION: Red Hat's CEO recently wrote a book about leading an open-source oriented company, have you given any thoughts on writing a book? [17:07] Thanks Jane, good answer. [17:07] Benaissa: start your question with QUESTION or it will not be seen [17:09] I just wanted to say "Thank you" to everyone who works on Ubuntu. [17:09] I suppose I can allow two :) [17:09] <_Ridgewing> .... so Open source is a Tool, then. Good. [17:09] QUESTION: What was the Canonical's response when Microsoft released continuum? [17:09] QUESTION: You mentioned expanding app, scope and feature offerings in the future. Can we expect performance to improve or should current users upgrade their hardware if they want better performance? [17:10] QUESTION: in witch country/contintent is Ubuntu the most popular? [17:10] QUESTION: Where do you see open source and Ubuntu in the "Internet of Things" market that is growing. Do you think this will affect the appeal of open source more traditional markets like desktop computing? [17:10] mariogrip: mine was "welcome to the future, what took you so long?" [17:10] QUESTION: What release of Ubuntu would you take when stranded on a desert island? [17:11] <_Ridgewing> QTESTION: What is canonical's position on doing a Tablet kickstarter campaign, as MShuttleworth has said develoment is sorely needed in his Q&A, yesterday. [17:11] popey >.< [17:11] QUESTION: What's the new about ROS (Robot Operating System) in ubuntu ? [17:11] mhall119: :P [17:11] So many questions! [17:11] is true :') [17:11] QUESTION: Do you see an opportunity in smart cars? Has there been any interest from any partners? [17:11] QUESTION: would you say cloud is becoming more important given how much market share ubuntu has in the cloud? or do you see all markets equally important? [17:11] yeah, better get questions in now or there won't be time to answer it [17:12] QUESTION: Could you elaborate on why you feel Ubuntu Edge is not a good convergence scenario? [17:12] <_Ridgewing> Much Questions #dodge [17:12] komputes: ? [17:12] QUESTION: If you have a chance to go back in time and change something in Ubuntu, which you can't do now anymore. What would it be? [17:12] QUESTION: will we ever see an Ubuntu watch? (snappy watch :) [17:12] komputes, wasn't that a hybrid Ubuntu/Android device? [17:12] QUESTION: Have you considered a deep partnership (or acquisition) with companies like System76 in order to bring a line a convergent devices? [17:12] snappy !! [17:13] mhall119: she said it as 'clunky', which doesn't explain discontinuing it. [17:13] <_Ridgewing> dpm, We need to speed up question (not just from me) .. as there are so many, and Jane is taking 5 mins per question. [17:13] QUESTION: Are you coming to UbuCon Summit and UbuCon Europe? ;) [17:14] komputes: oh, you mean Ubuntu on Android [17:14] Personally I still think a dockable computer the size of a phone is very interesting alternative to a laptop. [17:14] komputes, it will come ... [17:14] komputes: that's still planned, it just won't be a phone running Android [17:14] it will be a phone running Ubuntu :) [17:15] ogra_: perhaps virtualization on top of a phone OS at some point. [17:15] komputes: so it was the Android use that was clunky [17:15] QUESTION: What do you say about criticism about Canonical IP policy? Don't you think a bit clear policy would be better for everybody? [17:15] komputes, why would you virtualize ? you can run native ubuntu for both usecases [17:16] komputes, agreed, but the reason it wasn't a "good convergence scenario," in my mind, is that it isn't just pure Ubuntu [17:16] komputes, but once the phone moved to snappy even running VMs will be possible [17:16] QUESTION: What is Canonical doing as a company to promote the desktop to PC manufacturers? [17:20] QUESTION: This UOS we had a 10 year old wondering what he needs to learn in order to one day work at Canonical, do you have any advice for young students who already have an interest in software and open source? [17:21] QUESTION: Will Canonical ever have own brand phones like the nexus (or lumia)? [17:23] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Do you agree they'll be a good benefit to a massive #convergence party to celebrate the convergence phone in Q1, 2016 ? Esp. London. [17:25] QUESTION: An Artificial Intelligence background, eh? Are you familiar with the Mycroft project. Any interest in getting something like this available in Unity 8 to operate like Siri or Cortana on their respective platforms? (Shameless self-promotion). [17:26] Heh, when the machines take over, will they be running Ubuntu? ;-) [17:26] of course they will be [17:26] hardy heron had the best default wallpaper of all Ubuntu releases [17:26] <_Ridgewing> agreed ! [17:27] tedg: "I am what I am, because of who you all were" :) [17:27] tedg, you havent heard of snappy skynet yet ? [17:28] Heh, it is still under review in the store ;-) [17:29] <_Ridgewing> http://askubuntu.com/questions/121379/how-do-i-install-wallpapers-from-older-releases/121380#121380 [17:29] now I'm curious which shirts she doesn't like [17:30] the sevilla UDS one was definitely the worst [17:30] _Ridgewing: I just have to find someone who will make me a matching brown KDE theme [17:30] ryanleesipes: I second your question [17:30] <_Ridgewing> frecel: www.fiverr.com [17:30] haha [17:30] ogra_: what was that, jaunty or karmic? [17:31] mhall119, i think jaunty, not sure anymore [17:31] <_Ridgewing> frecel: The artist'll probably v=be from India or Pakistan, thou ;-) [17:31] * mhall119 wasn't there, so didn't get that shirt [17:31] you wouldnt want it :) [17:32] I don't have dresser space for any more anyway [17:32] though I do want one of those Wily shirts [17:32] me too! [17:32] +1 [17:32] <_Ridgewing> +1 [17:33] What are your standards when you talk to other communites and Linux companies ? [17:33] hwpplayer1: start your questions with QUESTION [17:33] ... else they get lost [17:33] also, please be more specific in your question [17:34] QUESTION : What are your standards when you talk to other communites and Linux companies ? [17:35] i'll try for a better question thanks [17:36] QUESTION: Pricing for services like Landscape seemed very much aimed at large enterprises. Have you considered a stripped down, cheaper version of the service for startups, small to medium-sized businesses, and local and state governments? [17:38] QUESTION: When talking vendors does Canonical put any emphasis on promoting open/libre software or simply promotes the software supported by Canonical? === man is now known as Guest16648 [17:38] frecel, whats the difference ? [17:38] frecel, Canonical software IS open... ? [17:39] frecel: we were able to get MediaTek to release their kernel sources as part of our partnership with Bq, that was a pretty big ddeal [17:39] ogra_: it is, but I can encourage someone to use Ubuntu without ever mentioning the fact that it's open source [17:39] QUESTION: Will you answer questions you didn't have time to during this, in a blog post or the like after? [17:40] <_Ridgewing> she needs to-do an AMA ! [17:40] an AMA in r/Ubuntu would be awesome [17:40] dpm: Hi [17:40] an AMA is a great idea [17:41] What us talking you too long to deliver Unity8/Mir [17:41] desktop gadgets for ubuntu will be cool [17:41] another thing will be cool will be ubuntu 16.04 LTS using mir instead of X11 [17:41] QUESTION : beside convergence, can we imagine some kind of equiv of Apple's continuity, specifically 'Handoff'' : instant communication between a phone and a computer ? [17:42] QUESTION:How do i join canonical? [17:42] It will be good to know what Dragos said [17:42] QUESTION: I have an important question: How the hell do you pronounce Ubuntu? [17:42] ? Guest16648 [17:42] I think thats what everyone wants to know. [17:42] Dragos, http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies [17:42] about mir and X11 [17:43] Dragos: 16.04 will be using Unity 7 and Xorg, it's already been decided, but there will be a testable version using Mir and Unity 8 [17:43] what happened to Unity 8 [17:43] Dragos: still under heavy development [17:43] can anyone please explain the difficulties in releasing a stable Mir? [17:43] CheeseBurg: QNX is probably best placed regarding self-driving cars. [17:43] oh.. [17:43] Dragos, 16.04 has to be supported for 5 years ... you dont want that with a super new and not yet fully tested desktop [17:44] Guest16648: implementing enough features in Unity 8 for it to replace Unity 7 [17:44] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION, Will Jane do a reddit AMA ??? [17:44] <_Ridgewing> dpm: ^ make sure you ask this so we can continue ... [17:44] HAHAHAHA @mhall119 [17:44] Its almost 2 years but still its junk.. [17:44] Guest16648: it's not a small task [17:45] mir is "stable"; it's shipping on retail phones. [17:45] Guest16648, it supports so much more things than Xorg and Xorg took many years too [17:45] Working at Canonical is my biggest dream... [17:45] i know, i personally think that Oragnization is not helping new comers to learn and connect to build things [17:45] @Guest yess [17:46] # QUESTION Hello J [17:46] +1 mariogrip [17:46] its too complicated to even report a Bug [17:46] Guest16648: if you think you can help us impove that, I encourage you to get involved [17:46] i wanna get invloved and i have tried but i got no where [17:47] Guest16648, start at the #ubuntu-mir channel [17:47] just answering questions of ASKUBUNTU [17:47] thats where the developers coordinate their work [17:47] QUESTION : How many Linux community do you support ? Will you support more ? [17:48] Are you even a developer? @Guest [17:48] It depends what i have to develop in ur sense of talk [17:48] Don't you think it's urgent to port ubuntu phone apps to desktop ubuntu ? add value to all !!! : valorize devellopers work, enchance desktop possiblity and lightness of the os ^^ [17:48] JasonSinas, https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu = "oo-boon-too" [17:48] <_Ridgewing> Tablet +1 [17:49] QUESTION: with the Discussion about background processes in mind, do you think that you need more developers for the phone project? [17:49] QUESTION:Will ubuntu 16.04 LTS will suport touchscreen interface with touchscreen module? [17:49] French_31: no, the solution to that is to work to further convergence [17:49] @kyrofa THANK YOU!!! [17:49] I was hoping for oo-bun-to... [17:49] French_31: Ubuntu phone apps will already run on the desktop [17:49] what exactly is a developer? JasonSinas [17:50] but the current desktop doesn't offer safe confinement, so they're not made available through the store [17:50] a developer is one who develops [17:50] Dragos, Ubuntu has supported touchscreens for... ever [17:50] @Guest developer [17:50] dɪˈvɛləpə(r)/ [17:50] noun [17:50] noun: developer; plural noun: developers [17:50] a person or thing that develops something. [17:50] "a property developer" [17:50] oh ok [17:50] hello, sorry I'm late! I hope we still have sometime. I have a question. [17:50] mhall119: the phone apps also do not integrate well with the traditional environment [17:50] Ha, kyrofa I'm telling bregma that you called him forever old ;-) [17:51] tedg, HAHAHA [17:51] In Open Source community what developers develop? [17:51] <_Ridgewing> dpm: PLEAASE ask about Jane doing a Reddit AMA before we end , cheers. [17:51] Guest16648: they develop open source [17:51] aww.. is the question about unity dock has been asked yet? Especially about its movability? [17:51] French_31: it's been asked a million times in the past, always the same answer [17:52] mhall119: Freya_guy not French_31 [17:52] also can 15.10 users download and use Gnome Software center? [17:52] @Guest Depends what you develop in particular... [17:52] so no? :( thanks [17:52] dobey: thanks, tab-complete failed me [17:52] always the mythical man-month story really. [17:52] then it should be simple for new people to come and understand whts going on in is this community [17:52] @Guest For example, I work for Xiaomi and I develop HTML5 applications. [17:53] Guest16648: it's plenty simple [17:53] @Guest Umm [17:53] mhall119: is it posible to run osx apps on ubuntu> [17:53] Guest16648: again, if you can help us, come help us. Join #ubuntu-community-team or #ubuntu-devel [17:53] Dragos: no [17:53] oh [17:53] Guest16648: what makes you feel that it's complicated? you should bring your specific concerns to the other channels, as mhall119 mentioned :) [17:53] JasonSinas: when will we get a Xiaomi Ubuntu Phone? [17:53] Guest16648: however, joining an irc channel and trolling because you for some reason don't like a piece of software, is not developing things :) [17:53] [udsbotu] [17:53] 1 minute left in this session! <-- what is this? [17:53] @mhall Totally agree. [17:53] mhall119: can i help? [17:53] but i dint think so... lets head to Mir site for proofing itd simplicity [17:53] Dragos: anybody can help :) [17:53] ok [17:54] Freya_guy: just reminder because the schedules can be tight [17:54] mhall119 [17:54] Thank's, i did'no know :) Ubuntu miss a REAL "end user commity to drive the dev work ^^ Its a real weak to by pass what end users have to say ^^ [17:54] irc client for ubuntu? [17:54] thanks [17:54] <_Ridgewing> dpm: PLEAASE ask about Jane doing a Reddit AMA before we end , cheers. [17:54] Dragos: pidgin [17:54] French_31: in Ubuntu, the people who do the work decide the work [17:54] need year i think we need 2 hours for Q&A with the ceo [17:54] thnx [17:54] (next summit) [17:54] @mhall I have not heard of any plans for a Xiaomi Ubuntu phone. [17:55] Dragos: there are many IRC clients for Ubuntu, XChat, irssi, even empathy and pidgin [17:55] @mhall And it is unlikely at this point. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/%23ubuntu-uos-plenary.html [17:55] JasonSinas: just saying, Xiaomi and Ubuntu would be a great match :) [17:55] +1 [17:55] nice hardware, nice software [17:55] +1 [17:55] haha mhall119 [17:55] @mhall Yes, but the problem is much more complicated. [17:56] mhall119: sudo apt-get install joy happines comunity [17:56] JasonSinas: oh I know, but a guy can be hopeful right? [17:56] mhall119: follow the porting guide ;) [17:56] @mhall We have worked on MIUI for a long time (nearly five years now). [17:56] Dragos now whitespaces in apt-get install please [17:56] dobey: you over-estimate my technical abilities [17:56] Guest16648: sudo apt-get install sorry [17:56] mhall119, but it has the exact steps ! [17:56] snappy install :) [17:57] ogra_: still over-estimating me :) [17:57] juju deploy :) [17:57] mhall119, nevar ! [17:57] @mhall What we are doing however is opening up out platform more, for example Windows 10 for the Mi4 [17:57] mhall119: convince ogra_ to do it for you. i hear whisky helps ;) [17:57] :D [17:57] I have another question although it is too late to answer on the video, why does installing gnome-desktop breaks Ubuntu? I have done this twice and it always breaks light-dm and gdm. I am a vapid distro hopper, I remind you. lol [17:57] Ah! Not an LTS?! [17:57] Correct answer! [17:57] maybe JasonSinas can help me port Ubuntu to a Xiaomi phone [17:57] What if it's unstable? [17:57] we dont compare things like Windows does so dont say anything about windows here [17:58] Good set of questions, I enjoyed Jane's candid answers :) [17:58] Thanks Jane! [17:58] @mhall logsington@gmail.com for any questions. [17:58] Not a good place to ask this. [17:58] thanks [17:58] <_Ridgewing> it's over. [17:58] Nicely done silbs! [17:58] Freya_guy: why don't you install the ubuntu-gnome metapackage? [17:58] thank you for all the answers silbs [17:58] thanks dpm [17:58] thanks silbs !!! [17:58] Have a good day [17:58] buy [17:58] bye [17:59] However, I would be more than happy if Canonical contacts my people at Xiaomi about this. @mhall [17:59] Bye, Thanks! [17:59] dobey: I installed the full desktop package for gnome. But after I removed it (gnome-dekstop), it broke the lightdm. [17:59] thank you. [17:59] <_Ridgewing> Bye Jane ! [17:59] thanks everyone! [17:59] why its hard for ubuntu to use latest stable Kernel? [17:59] so im on elementaryos right now, its okay to use. [17:59] :) [17:59] thanks everyone! [17:59] ubuntu for kids :) [17:59] <_Ridgewing> ok [17:59] Freya_guy: i don't think that's what gnome-desktop is [17:59] anyway [17:59] my favorite asrtwork is also hardy heron :p [17:59] JasonSinas: if you can PM me a good contact email or phone #, I will be happy to pass it on to someone at Canonical who can do that [17:59] Guest16648: it does use it just fine [17:59] Guest16648: stop trolling :) [17:59] sorry we couldn't go through all of the questions, but I think it was a great one [17:59] anyway, thanks for this AMA guys [18:00] later. cheers [18:00] @mhall Thing is, if Xiaomi contacts us about this, we would be more than happy to co-develop a custom ROM for Ubuntu for the Xiaomi flagship devices. [18:01] JasonSinas: didn't you say you work for Xiaomi? [18:01] JasonSinas, dont hold back ! [18:01] Yes [18:01] But [18:01] (i'd buy it) [18:01] mhall119: ubuntu for kids [18:01] my project [18:01] Dragos: look at edubuntu and join the #edubuntu IRC channel [18:01] I am mainly a HTML developer for MiCloud [18:02] There are lots of departments where I work [18:02] JasonSinas: understood, but if you can give us a contact for the correct department to talk to about this, I'll have somebody from our side do that [18:02] no not edubuntu an text based os with teaches kids how to install packages, add repositories etd, until they have a fully working kubuntu laptop [18:02] Again, Canonical is more than welcome to contact us, just like Microsoft did with their Windows 10 ROM. [18:03] @mhall Sorry, didn't read that. [18:03] * popey would love a Xiaomi phone running Ubuntu. They make some nice devices! [18:03] I can't eactly do that. We have a LOT of departments and most of them are Chinese only. [18:03] JasonSinas: feel free to PM me, probably don't want to post contact details in a public/logged channel [18:04] JasonSinas: we have people who can contact those departments [18:04] bye [18:04] Okay, please link? [18:04] JasonSinas: link to what? [18:04] I am just used to chat. [18:05] IRC [18:05] We use WeChat. [18:05] Link me to a convo and I'll be there in a flash. [18:05] I am legitimately untrested. [18:05] *interested [18:07] @mhall I meant II am not used to chat on IRC. My keyboard is running out of juice so it is doubleclicking [18:09] Can anyone explain why there is games for Ubuntu? [18:11] JasonSinas: you can email me mhall119@ubuntu.com to continue this if you'd like [18:12] Okay [18:13] I will reply by tomorrow and then forward you to a few departments. [18:54] Are there plans to bring Ubuntu touch to the Fairphone 2?