| knome | is is too much work to keep the source dirs as is? | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | i mean, it doesn't sound like a huge issue even then | 00:02 |
| knome | we're cp'ing dirs anyway | 00:03 |
| krytarik | Nope, no extra work, the opposite really. | 00:03 |
| krytarik | But, inconsistency... :P | 00:03 |
| knome | we have that already though... | 00:04 |
| knome | and there's the rationale that descriptive names are better for contributors working on the docs | 00:05 |
| knome | and shorter names better on the built docs | 00:06 |
| krytarik | No no, I'd just change "desktop-guide" to "user-docs". | 00:06 |
| krytarik | (And leave "contributor-docs".) | 00:07 |
| knome | i'll make slickymaster decide :P | 00:07 |
| krytarik | \o/ | 00:07 |
| knome | anyway, can we make the script support both templates now? | 00:08 |
| knome | and make the building work with the new structure | 00:08 |
| krytarik | Only 'pdf-create.sh' needs to be adapted, the rest is all in the Makefiles. | 00:09 |
| knome | oki | 00:10 |
| krytarik | We'll first have to fix the directory structure though. | 00:10 |
| knome | sure | 00:10 |
| knome | if you do MP's for that, i can merge them into main | 00:10 |
| krytarik | Also, we'll have to create a startpage for contrib. | 00:10 |
| knome | mmmm.. nope actually | 00:10 |
| knome | i was thinking we'd just use the same startpage for both | 00:10 |
| krytarik | Yeah, that'd work too, I guess. | 00:11 |
| knome | but let's leave that for $later | 00:11 |
| krytarik | Ok, I'll work on the whole thing in the next days then - except the startpage. | 00:13 |
| knome | cheers | 00:15 |
| knome | i'll be off most of the day tomorrow | 00:15 |
| knome | but back in the evening | 00:15 |
| krytarik | That is, I'll move the current one along the user docs, and have none for the contrib ones. | 00:16 |
| knome | :) | 00:16 |
| krytarik | + with | 00:16 |
| bluesabre | evening folks | 00:16 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Hi. | 00:16 |
| knome | hey seany | 00:16 |
| bluesabre | hey guys | 00:18 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: yes, 11utc is a-ok! | 00:18 |
| knome | b-notok | 00:19 |
| knome | c-idontknow | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | I pick c | 00:19 |
| knome | ENOTANOPTIONGIVENBYFLOCCULANT | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: the overlay scrollbars in synaptic... yeah, apps running as root don't have the same environment | 00:20 |
| Unit193 | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session ? :D | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yeah, but those vars are not in the session when running as root | 00:23 |
| krytarik | knome: You aware that the contrib docs' .pot isn't updated yet, after the latest additions? | 00:30 |
| knome | krytarik, yes | 00:30 |
| krytarik | Alright. | 00:30 |
| knome | krytarik, i'm not exactly waiting for translations there yet, either | 00:30 |
| krytarik | And much stuff to be added still too. | 00:31 |
| knome | yep | 00:31 |
| knome | and likely somewhat lot changed | 00:31 |
| krytarik | Yep. | 00:31 |
| knome | so yeah, not worried yet | 00:31 |
| kauefr | l | 00:40 |
| knome | m | 00:40 |
| Unit193 | n | 00:40 |
| knome | :Ð | 00:41 |
| Unit193 | Yes? | 00:42 |
| knome | l, m, n, op | 00:42 |
| knome | clever, right? | 00:43 |
| bluesabre | stop breaking things you two! | 00:56 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:56 |
| knome | wut? | 00:56 |
| * knome drops the vase | 00:56 | |
| knome | OOOPS | 00:56 |
| bluesabre | FSLKFJDSKLFJDSLK | 00:56 |
| bluesabre | mic check, 1 2 1 2 | 00:57 |
| knome | an angry, voiceful bluesabre appears | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | :@ | 00:58 |
| bluesabre | >:D | 00:58 |
| bluesabre | O.o | 00:58 |
| bluesabre | o.O | 00:58 |
| bluesabre | >.< | 00:58 |
| knome | @ = cinnamon bun | 00:58 |
| meetingology | knome: Error: "=" is not a valid command. | 00:58 |
| bluesabre | :p | 00:58 |
| knome | wellll... | 00:58 |
| knome | that was surprising | 00:59 |
| knome | NOT | 00:59 |
| bluesabre | :[@] | 00:59 |
| knome | big-mouthed bluesabre | 00:59 |
| knome | "look ma, a whole cinnamon bun in my mouth!" | 01:00 |
| kauefr | Thanks everyone for another wonderful release. Xubuntu is the best distro and it gets even better every release. Thank you. | 01:10 |
| knome | kauefr, you're welcome and thanks for the feedback | 01:14 |
| bluesabre | guess we can't mess it up for 16.04 then | 01:18 |
| bluesabre | :) | 01:18 |
| knome | of course we can | 01:18 |
| bluesabre | knome: -v me please | 01:18 |
| knome | make bluesabre design the walpaper | 01:18 |
| knome | +l | 01:18 |
| knome | lol | 01:18 |
| knome | wait | 01:18 |
| bluesabre | danke | 01:19 |
| knome | actually you can do it yourself | 01:19 |
| knome | just s/voice/devoice/ in the command | 01:19 |
| knome | ...iirc | 01:19 |
| bluesabre | nope | 01:20 |
| knome | hmm | 01:20 |
| bluesabre | not a channel operator | 01:20 |
| knome | :D | 01:20 |
| knome | silly | 01:21 |
| knome | oh | 01:22 |
| knome | it was Unit193 who gave you that :D | 01:22 |
| * knome giggles | 01:22 | |
| Unit193 | :D | 01:22 |
| Unit193 | And yes, /cs devoice works. | 01:23 |
| kauefr | Just filed a bug report (#1512922), I hope I did it right. | 02:00 |
| Unit193 | LP #1512922 | 02:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1512922 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Reverse scroll direction doesn't work in every application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512922 | 02:00 |
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| flocculant | can't make contributors anymore | 07:11 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: make contributors-html | 07:56 |
| flocculant | mmm - why so? | 07:59 |
| flocculant | just out of interest you understand | 07:59 |
| Unit193 | Sure, because for the user docs the targets are 'html', 'style', 'translate', etc. So in order for it to follow suit, same deal. Also, -html only runs html, not clean or anything (I added clean to the global clean target.) | 08:02 |
| flocculant | k - think I get that :) | 08:02 |
| flocculant | thanks Unit193 :) | 08:02 |
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| flocculant | ubuntu dropping software centre apparently - what does that mean for us and having it for 3 years ? | 18:48 |
| bbrawner | flocculant: They're going to replace it with the gnome software center | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | who is they? | 18:53 |
| bbrawner | ali1234: Canonical? I'm not sure | 18:54 |
| bbrawner | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts | 18:54 |
| bbrawner | I just heard this from the online summit | 18:54 |
| bbrawner | I think it was in the Python 3 talk that they mentioned it | 18:54 |
| flocculant | nothing official yet, but if it does happen we need to be aware if we have it for 3 years | 19:10 |
| flocculant | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-python3-only-on-the-images | 19:12 |
| dkessel | next meeting is not on the team calendar :p | 19:23 |
| flocculant | wouldn't be - no-one's done that | 19:24 |
| flocculant | and the date is stc ;) | 19:24 |
| dkessel | oh right, there was that discussion | 19:24 |
| dkessel | sorry, now i remember | 19:24 |
| flocculant | :) | 19:24 |
| dkessel | well i probably would be there for a 20/21/22 utc meeting | 19:25 |
| flocculant | it won't be then for sure :p | 19:25 |
| flocculant | bluesabre micahg - can you 2 try and come up with a compromise - if it's ok for me then I'll go for that - thanks | 19:27 |
| dkessel | so I sent this guy to #xubuntu - any idea on how to help him? :) | 19:34 |
| bbrawner | Hey so I'm looking to get involved with Xubuntu, preferrably development. Where would be a good place to start? | 19:36 |
| dkessel | what do you guys think about trying to include xfce4-appfinder built against gtk3 for xenial? | 19:37 |
| dkessel | bbrawner: you might want to look at this: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ | 19:38 |
| dkessel | and if you're interested in programming, the link "Development" might be interesting for you | 19:38 |
| bbrawner | dkessel: Thanks! | 19:39 |
| knome | bbrawner, and introducing yourself and asking here isn't a bad idea either | 19:40 |
| dkessel | bbrawner: feel free to ask the others questions afterwards ;) i am away for today though | 19:40 |
| bbrawner | Thanks guys. I work as a web developer doing mostly php and javascript but I'm familiar with python as well | 19:41 |
| knome | bbrawner, if we decide to run a community wallpaper contest for 16.04, those skills might come in handy - we might build a platform for the submissions | 19:42 |
| knome | bbrawner, and hello, i'm the website lead :) | 19:43 |
| bbrawner | knome: Cool, I'd love to help with that! | 19:43 |
| bbrawner | Nice to meet you! | 19:43 |
| knome | bbrawner, you familiar with wordpress? | 19:43 |
| knome | there's nothing right now we need done, but in the future, maybe... | 19:43 |
| bbrawner | knome: I do a ton of work with wordpress | 19:43 |
| knome | great | 19:43 |
| knome | fwiw, here's our theme branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme | 19:44 |
| bbrawner | knome: Sweet, I'll have to take a look at that | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | anyne interested in a xubuntu image for raspberry pi? | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | ubuntu mate released all their scripts, apparently it can build xubuntu | 19:46 |
| bbrawner | ali1234: Yeah, that looked interesting | 19:46 |
| ali1234 | i'm going to try it at some point unless someone beats me to it | 19:46 |
| knome | ali1234, for an official image i don't think we have enough testers, but if there are volunteers to maintain it, i think we can enable a "community build" | 19:48 |
| knome | and for the ISO itself, why not, though i don't have a pi (at least yet) | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | the ISO itself? | 19:49 |
| knome | well the image itself | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | you don't use an install ISO on a pi... | 19:49 |
| knome | OH WELL | 19:49 |
| knome | too bad | 19:49 |
| knome | whatever really | 19:49 |
| * knome shrugs | 19:49 | |
| ali1234 | it needs a special bootloader setup and has to run oem-setup on first boot | 19:50 |
| bbrawner | I don't have a pi either but I could use this as an excuse to get one haha | 19:51 |
| flocculant | ali1234: for an official thing <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: so, that's all three xubuntu-release folks... I'd suggest holding off on those pi2 builds for xubuntu | 19:55 |
| phillw | hi guys, I've marked http://launchpad.net/bugs/1510911 as a duplicate on the grounds it shows exactly the same symptons to me as the 'master' bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447038 which was in the Wily release notes. | 22:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1447038 in casper (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1510911 Shutdown/Restart of live session guest does not work in Virtualbox or VMWare" [High,Incomplete] | 22:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1447038 in casper (Ubuntu) "Shutdown/Restart of live session guest does not work in Virtualbox or VMWare" [High,Incomplete] | 22:00 |
| bbrawner | knome: Where can I find more info on getting involved with the website team? | 23:10 |
| knome | <- bbrawner | 23:10 |
| bbrawner | Haha, well how can I get started? | 23:10 |
| knome | well, as i said, at the moment we aren't looking for anything specific | 23:11 |
| knome | but during this cycle we might need that submission platform for wallpapers | 23:11 |
| phillw | hiyas knome :) | 23:11 |
| knome | hello phillw | 23:11 |
| bbrawner | Gotcha. Well I subscribed to the devel mailing list so I'll keep my eyes out for stuff on that. I'll also make it a point to log into this chat whenever I'm on so that I'm available if you need me | 23:12 |
| knome | bbrawner, great; subbing the ML is good and hanging around here is good | 23:12 |
| knome | and of course, if you have ideas of your own... | 23:13 |
| bbrawner | Sure, I'll take a look around the site and see if anything comes to mind | 23:13 |
| knome | http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ too | 23:14 |
| knome | the code for that isn't in a repository (yet) | 23:14 |
| knome | but i should push it at some point | 23:14 |
| knome | i guess at least another pair of eyes for making sure the code makes sense wouldn't be bad | 23:14 |
| bbrawner | Cool, I can take a look at it. Are you by chance from Finland? | 23:15 |
| knome | you'll also notice that website is useful for other reasons ;) | 23:15 |
| knome | i am :) | 23:15 |
| bbrawner | Olin vaihto-oppilas suomessa pari vuotta sitten :D | 23:15 |
| bbrawner | Haha yeah, it looks good | 23:16 |
| knome | oho :) | 23:16 |
| knome | Missä opiskelit? | 23:16 |
| bbrawner | Lukiossa haha | 23:16 |
| knome | (though we really should take that one to #xubuntu-offtopic, a favorite messaround channel for the developers) | 23:16 |
| bbrawner | Sounds good! | 23:16 |
| ochosi | flocculant: sorry, the backlog was too long but if you havent found out what to report your scrollbar issue against yet, that'd be xubuntu-default-settings. bluesabre set the scrollbars to not hide by default (which is what they do in gtk3 by default, but obviously not in gtk2) | 23:20 |
| knome | o hai ochosi | 23:20 |
| ochosi | flocculant: so yeah, that's theme-independant | 23:20 |
| ochosi | evening knome | 23:20 |
| ochosi | i saw you mentioned a greybird-hdpi theme..? | 23:20 |
| ochosi | is there something out there that i dont know about? :) | 23:20 |
| knome | i don't know | 23:20 |
| knome | do we not have that in a repository? | 23:21 |
| knome | i have it here | 23:21 |
| knome | O:) | 23:21 |
| knome | maybe that was some WIP stuff | 23:21 |
| ochosi | (there's even an issue about that, but i never did a theme for hdpi) | 23:21 |
| knome | heh | 23:21 |
| ochosi | yeah, only xfwm4-default has those variants | 23:21 |
| knome | aha | 23:21 |
| * knome shrugs | 23:21 | |
| knome | i have no idea where that came from then | 23:21 |
| knome | got no complaints though.... | 23:21 |
| * knome whistles | 23:22 | |
| ochosi | yeah, nvm then :) | 23:22 |
| knome | so what's up? | 23:24 |
| ochosi | phu, not too much tbh :) | 23:26 |
| ochosi | just saw flocculant's inquiry and felt i should reply today at some point | 23:27 |
| ochosi | now i'm tired and should head to bed :) | 23:27 |
| knome | how nice of you | 23:27 |
| ochosi | also, i saw the news of USC being dropped, and i would be lying if i said i'm sorry about that | 23:27 |
| knome | we should sit down some day and plan the artwork etc blueprints | 23:28 |
| knome | oh, i didn't | 23:28 |
| knome | but ha. | 23:28 |
| knome | what now? | 23:28 |
| ochosi | i was never really a fan, and if more effort goes into gnome-software, then heck let's try that one then | 23:28 |
| ochosi | yeah, i added some issues from my side to -artwork | 23:28 |
| ochosi | haven't added anything to -devel, cause i'm unsure i'll really have time for it atm | 23:28 |
| ochosi | we can also decide to go back to synaptic, but it won't be a very user-friendly choice | 23:29 |
| knome | true | 23:29 |
| ochosi | (only a power-user friendly choice, and then again, most of those use cli anyway) | 23:29 |
| knome | yep | 23:30 |
| ochosi | anyway, we should put that on the agenda for next meeting | 23:33 |
| knome | and some blueprints... | 23:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, discussing blueprints in the next meeting is fine | 23:35 |
| knome | no, i meant we need some work items | 23:36 |
| ochosi | although to some extent team leads should take care of that | 23:36 |
| knome | but that too, probably :P | 23:36 |
| ochosi | thanks for up'ing the bps | 23:36 |
| ochosi | very sane to do that straight away | 23:36 |
| ochosi | anyhow, i'll install gnome software now | 23:37 |
| ochosi | and i guess we should all do that so we can take an informed choice | 23:37 |
| knome | :) | 23:37 |
| knome | i'll have to postpone that to next week | 23:37 |
| knome | but yeah, should do that | 23:37 |
| knome | did you see an official source for the news (eg. not OMG! Ubuntu)? | 23:38 |
| ochosi | nope | 23:39 |
| ochosi | and humm,it doesn't even seem to be freely available in the wily repos | 23:39 |
| ochosi | well, if you have time plz ask around whether there's any substance to this in case of doubt | 23:39 |
| ochosi | right, looks like the issue for that was carried forward from wily to xenial | 23:40 |
| ochosi | gee, it's not even in the gnome3-staging ppa... | 23:41 |
| knome | heh | 23:43 |
| knome | "nice" | 23:43 |
| knome | well, | 23:43 |
| knome | if it's going to mainbuntu LTS | 23:43 |
| knome | i'm sure it will go fast forward | 23:43 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:43 |
| knome | ...or then they'll just bail out and keep USC for one more LTS | 23:43 |
| ochosi | right | 23:43 |
| knome | didn't that kind of happen with light-locker? | 23:44 |
| ochosi | i'd say so too | 23:44 |
| ochosi | ? | 23:44 |
| knome | i mean | 23:44 |
| knome | lightdm | 23:44 |
| ochosi | oh | 23:44 |
| knome | too many lights | 23:44 |
| ochosi | not sure now don't remember the introduction of lightdm | 23:44 |
| knome | i mean mainbuntu bailing otu | 23:45 |
| knome | *out | 23:45 |
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