[00:02] <knome> is is too much work to keep the source dirs as is?
[00:02] <knome> i mean, it doesn't sound like a huge issue even then
[00:03] <knome> we're cp'ing dirs anyway
[00:03] <krytarik> Nope, no extra work, the opposite really.
[00:03] <krytarik> But, inconsistency... :P
[00:04] <knome> we have that already though...
[00:05] <knome> and there's the rationale that descriptive names are better for contributors working on the docs
[00:06] <knome> and shorter names better on the built docs
[00:06] <krytarik> No no, I'd just change "desktop-guide" to "user-docs".
[00:07] <krytarik> (And leave "contributor-docs".)
[00:07] <knome> i'll make slickymaster decide :P
[00:07] <krytarik> \o/
[00:08] <knome> anyway, can we make the script support both templates now?
[00:08] <knome> and make the building work with the new structure
[00:09] <krytarik> Only 'pdf-create.sh' needs to be adapted, the rest is all in the Makefiles.
[00:10] <knome> oki
[00:10] <krytarik> We'll first have to fix the directory structure though.
[00:10] <knome> sure
[00:10] <knome> if you do MP's for that, i can merge them into main
[00:10] <krytarik> Also, we'll have to create a startpage for contrib.
[00:10] <knome> mmmm.. nope actually
[00:10] <knome> i was thinking we'd just use the same startpage for both
[00:11] <krytarik> Yeah, that'd work too, I guess.
[00:11] <knome> but let's leave that for $later
[00:13] <krytarik> Ok, I'll work on the whole thing in the next days then - except the startpage.
[00:15] <knome> cheers
[00:15] <knome> i'll be off most of the day tomorrow
[00:15] <knome> but back in the evening
[00:16] <krytarik> That is, I'll move the current one along the user docs, and have none for the contrib ones.
[00:16] <knome> :)
[00:16] <krytarik> + with
[00:16] <bluesabre> evening folks
[00:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hi.
[00:16] <knome> hey seany
[00:18] <bluesabre> hey guys
[00:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, 11utc is a-ok!
[00:19] <knome> b-notok
[00:19] <knome> c-idontknow
[00:19] <bluesabre> I pick c
[00:19] <knome> ENOTANOPTIONGIVENBYFLOCCULANT
[00:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: the overlay scrollbars in synaptic... yeah, apps running as root don't have the same environment
[00:21] <Unit193> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session ? :D
[00:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, but those vars are not in the session when running as root
[00:30] <krytarik> knome: You aware that the contrib docs' .pot isn't updated yet, after the latest additions?
[00:30] <knome> krytarik, yes
[00:30] <krytarik> Alright.
[00:30] <knome> krytarik, i'm not exactly waiting for translations there yet, either
[00:31] <krytarik> And much stuff to be added still too.
[00:31] <knome> yep
[00:31] <knome> and likely somewhat lot changed
[00:31] <krytarik> Yep.
[00:31] <knome> so yeah, not worried yet
[00:40] <kauefr> l
[00:40] <knome> m
[00:40] <Unit193> n
[00:41] <knome> :Ð
[00:42] <Unit193> Yes?
[00:42] <knome> l, m, n, op
[00:43] <knome> clever, right?
[00:56] <bluesabre> stop breaking things you two!
[00:56] <bluesabre> :D
[00:56] <knome> wut?
[00:56]  * knome drops the vase
[00:56] <knome> OOOPS
[00:56] <bluesabre> FSLKFJDSKLFJDSLK
[00:57] <bluesabre> mic check, 1 2 1 2
[00:57] <knome> an angry, voiceful bluesabre appears
[00:57] <bluesabre> :D
[00:58] <bluesabre> :@
[00:58] <bluesabre> >:D
[00:58] <bluesabre> O.o
[00:58] <bluesabre> o.O
[00:58] <bluesabre> >.<
[00:58] <knome> @ = cinnamon bun
[00:58] <meetingology> knome: Error: "=" is not a valid command.
[00:58] <bluesabre> :p
[00:58] <knome> wellll...
[00:59] <knome> that was surprising
[00:59] <knome> NOT
[00:59] <bluesabre> :[@]
[00:59] <knome> big-mouthed bluesabre 
[01:00] <knome> "look ma, a whole cinnamon bun in my mouth!"
[01:10] <kauefr> Thanks everyone for another wonderful release. Xubuntu is the best distro and it gets even better every release. Thank you.
[01:14] <knome> kauefr, you're welcome and thanks for the feedback
[01:18] <bluesabre> guess we can't mess it up for 16.04 then
[01:18] <bluesabre> :)
[01:18] <knome> of course we can
[01:18] <bluesabre> knome: -v me please
[01:18] <knome> make bluesabre design the walpaper
[01:18] <knome> +l
[01:18] <knome> lol
[01:18] <knome> wait
[01:19] <bluesabre> danke
[01:19] <knome> actually you can do it yourself
[01:19] <knome> just s/voice/devoice/ in the command
[01:19] <knome> ...iirc
[01:20] <bluesabre> nope
[01:20] <knome> hmm
[01:20] <bluesabre> not a channel operator
[01:20] <knome> :D
[01:21] <knome> silly
[01:22] <knome> oh
[01:22] <knome> it was Unit193 who gave you that :D
[01:22]  * knome giggles
[01:22] <Unit193> :D
[01:23] <Unit193> And yes, /cs devoice works.
[02:00] <kauefr> Just filed a bug report (#1512922), I hope I did it right.
[02:00] <Unit193> LP #1512922
[07:11] <flocculant> can't make contributors anymore 
[07:56] <Unit193> flocculant: make contributors-html
[07:59] <flocculant> mmm - why so? 
[07:59] <flocculant> just out of interest you understand 
[08:02] <Unit193> Sure, because for the user docs the targets are 'html', 'style', 'translate', etc.  So in order for it to follow suit, same deal.  Also, -html only runs html, not clean or anything (I added clean to the global clean target.)
[08:02] <flocculant> k - think I get that :)
[08:02] <flocculant> thanks Unit193 :)
[18:48] <flocculant> ubuntu dropping software centre apparently - what does that mean for us and having it for 3 years ?
[18:52] <bbrawner> flocculant: They're going to replace it with the gnome software center 
[18:53] <ali1234> who is they?
[18:54] <bbrawner> ali1234: Canonical? I'm not sure
[18:54] <bbrawner> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[18:54] <bbrawner> I just heard this from the online summit
[18:54] <bbrawner> I think it was in the Python 3 talk that they mentioned it
[19:10] <flocculant> nothing official yet, but if it does happen we need to be aware if we have it for 3 years
[19:12] <flocculant> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-python3-only-on-the-images
[19:23] <dkessel> next meeting is not on the team calendar :p
[19:24] <flocculant> wouldn't be - no-one's done that
[19:24] <flocculant> and the date is stc ;)
[19:24] <dkessel> oh right, there was that discussion
[19:24] <dkessel> sorry, now i remember
[19:24] <flocculant> :)
[19:25] <dkessel> well i probably would be there for a 20/21/22 utc meeting
[19:25] <flocculant> it won't be then for sure :p
[19:27] <flocculant> bluesabre micahg - can you 2 try and come up with a compromise - if it's ok for me then I'll go for that - thanks
[19:34] <dkessel> so I sent this guy to #xubuntu - any idea on how to help him? :)
[19:36] <bbrawner> Hey so I'm looking to get involved with Xubuntu, preferrably development. Where would be a good place to start?
[19:37] <dkessel> what do you guys think about trying to include xfce4-appfinder built against gtk3 for xenial?
[19:38] <dkessel> bbrawner: you might want to look at this: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[19:38] <dkessel> and if you're interested in programming, the link "Development" might be interesting for you
[19:39] <bbrawner> dkessel: Thanks!
[19:40] <knome> bbrawner, and introducing yourself and asking here isn't a bad idea either
[19:40] <dkessel> bbrawner: feel free to ask the others questions afterwards ;) i am away for today though
[19:41] <bbrawner> Thanks guys. I work as a web developer doing mostly php and javascript but I'm familiar with python as well
[19:42] <knome> bbrawner, if we decide to run a community wallpaper contest for 16.04, those skills might come in handy - we might build a platform for the submissions
[19:43] <knome> bbrawner, and hello, i'm the website lead :)
[19:43] <bbrawner> knome: Cool, I'd love to help with that!
[19:43] <bbrawner> Nice to meet you!
[19:43] <knome> bbrawner, you familiar with wordpress?
[19:43] <knome> there's nothing right now we need done, but in the future, maybe...
[19:43] <bbrawner> knome: I do a ton of work with wordpress
[19:43] <knome> great
[19:44] <knome> fwiw, here's our theme branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme
[19:45] <bbrawner> knome: Sweet, I'll have to take a look at that
[19:45] <ali1234> anyne interested in a xubuntu image for raspberry pi?
[19:46] <ali1234> ubuntu mate released all their scripts, apparently it can build xubuntu
[19:46] <bbrawner> ali1234: Yeah, that looked interesting
[19:46] <ali1234> i'm going to try it at some point unless someone beats me to it
[19:48] <knome> ali1234, for an official image i don't think we have enough testers, but if there are volunteers to maintain it, i think we can enable a "community build"
[19:49] <knome> and for the ISO itself, why not, though i don't have a pi (at least yet)
[19:49] <ali1234> the ISO itself?
[19:49] <knome> well the image itself
[19:49] <ali1234> you don't use an install ISO on a pi...
[19:49] <knome> OH WELL
[19:49] <knome> too bad
[19:49] <knome> whatever really
[19:49]  * knome shrugs
[19:50] <ali1234> it needs a special bootloader setup and has to run oem-setup on first boot
[19:51] <bbrawner> I don't have a pi either but I could use this as an excuse to get one haha
[19:55] <flocculant> ali1234: for an official thing <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: so, that's all three xubuntu-release folks... I'd suggest holding off on those pi2 builds for xubuntu
[22:00] <phillw> hi guys, I've marked http://launchpad.net/bugs/1510911 as a duplicate on the grounds it shows exactly the same symptons to me as the 'master' bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447038 which was in the Wily release notes.
[23:10] <bbrawner> knome: Where can I find more info on getting involved with the website team?
[23:10] <knome> <- bbrawner 
[23:10] <bbrawner> Haha, well how can I get started?
[23:11] <knome> well, as i said, at the moment we aren't looking for anything specific
[23:11] <knome> but during this cycle we might need that submission platform for wallpapers
[23:11] <phillw> hiyas knome :)
[23:11] <knome> hello phillw 
[23:12] <bbrawner> Gotcha. Well I subscribed to the devel mailing list so I'll keep my eyes out for stuff on that. I'll also make it a point to log into this chat whenever I'm on so that I'm available if you need me
[23:12] <knome> bbrawner, great; subbing the ML is good and hanging around here is good
[23:13] <knome> and of course, if you have ideas of your own...
[23:13] <bbrawner> Sure, I'll take a look around the site and see if anything comes to mind
[23:14] <knome> http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ too
[23:14] <knome> the code for that isn't in a repository (yet)
[23:14] <knome> but i should push it at some point
[23:14] <knome> i guess at least another pair of eyes for making sure the code makes sense wouldn't be bad
[23:15] <bbrawner> Cool, I can take a look at it. Are you by chance from Finland?
[23:15] <knome> you'll also notice that website is useful for other reasons ;)
[23:15] <knome> i am :)
[23:15] <bbrawner> Olin vaihto-oppilas suomessa pari vuotta sitten :D
[23:16] <bbrawner> Haha yeah, it looks good
[23:16] <knome> oho :)
[23:16] <knome> Missä opiskelit?
[23:16] <bbrawner> Lukiossa haha
[23:16] <knome> (though we really should take that one to #xubuntu-offtopic, a favorite messaround channel for the developers)
[23:16] <bbrawner> Sounds good!
[23:20] <ochosi> flocculant: sorry, the backlog was too long but if you havent found out what to report your scrollbar issue against yet, that'd be xubuntu-default-settings. bluesabre set the scrollbars to not hide by default (which is what they do in gtk3 by default, but obviously not in gtk2)
[23:20] <knome> o hai ochosi 
[23:20] <ochosi> flocculant: so yeah, that's theme-independant
[23:20] <ochosi> evening knome 
[23:20] <ochosi> i saw you mentioned a greybird-hdpi theme..?
[23:20] <ochosi> is there something out there that i dont know about? :)
[23:20] <knome> i don't know
[23:21] <knome> do we not have that in a repository?
[23:21] <knome> i have it here
[23:21] <knome> O:)
[23:21] <knome> maybe that was some WIP stuff
[23:21] <ochosi> (there's even an issue about that, but i never did a theme for hdpi)
[23:21] <knome> heh
[23:21] <ochosi> yeah, only xfwm4-default has those variants
[23:21] <knome> aha
[23:21]  * knome shrugs
[23:21] <knome> i have no idea where that came from then
[23:21] <knome> got no complaints though....
[23:22]  * knome whistles
[23:22] <ochosi> yeah, nvm then :)
[23:24] <knome> so what's up?
[23:26] <ochosi> phu, not too much tbh :)
[23:27] <ochosi> just saw flocculant's inquiry and felt i should reply today at some point
[23:27] <ochosi> now i'm tired and should head to bed :)
[23:27] <knome> how nice of you
[23:27] <ochosi> also, i saw the news of USC being dropped, and i would be lying if i said i'm sorry about that
[23:28] <knome> we should sit down some day and plan the artwork etc blueprints
[23:28] <knome> oh, i didn't
[23:28] <knome> but ha.
[23:28] <knome> what now?
[23:28] <ochosi> i was never really a fan, and if more effort goes into gnome-software, then heck let's try that one then
[23:28] <ochosi> yeah, i added some issues from my side to -artwork
[23:28] <ochosi> haven't added anything to -devel, cause i'm unsure i'll really have time for it atm
[23:29] <ochosi> we can also decide to go back to synaptic, but it won't be a very user-friendly choice
[23:29] <knome> true
[23:29] <ochosi> (only a power-user friendly choice, and then again, most of those use cli anyway)
[23:30] <knome> yep
[23:33] <ochosi> anyway, we should put that on the agenda for next meeting
[23:34] <knome> and some blueprints...
[23:35] <ochosi> yeah, discussing blueprints in the next meeting is fine
[23:36] <knome> no, i meant we need some work items
[23:36] <ochosi> although to some extent team leads should take care of that
[23:36] <knome> but that too, probably :P
[23:36] <ochosi> thanks for up'ing the bps
[23:36] <ochosi> very sane to do that straight away
[23:37] <ochosi> anyhow, i'll install gnome software now
[23:37] <ochosi> and i guess we should all do that so we can take an informed choice
[23:37] <knome> :)
[23:37] <knome> i'll have to postpone that to next week
[23:37] <knome> but yeah, should do that
[23:38] <knome> did you see an official source for the news (eg. not OMG! Ubuntu)?
[23:39] <ochosi> nope
[23:39] <ochosi> and humm,it doesn't even seem to be freely available in the wily repos
[23:39] <ochosi> well, if you have time plz ask around whether there's any substance to this in case of doubt
[23:40] <ochosi> right, looks like the issue for that was carried forward from wily to xenial
[23:41] <ochosi> gee, it's not even in the gnome3-staging ppa...
[23:43] <knome> heh
[23:43] <knome> "nice"
[23:43] <knome> well,
[23:43] <knome> if it's going to mainbuntu LTS
[23:43] <knome> i'm sure it will go fast forward
[23:43] <ochosi> yeah
[23:43] <knome> ...or then they'll just bail out and keep USC for one more LTS
[23:43] <ochosi> right
[23:44] <knome> didn't that kind of happen with light-locker?
[23:44] <ochosi> i'd say so too
[23:44] <ochosi> ?
[23:44] <knome> i mean
[23:44] <knome> lightdm
[23:44] <ochosi> oh
[23:44] <knome> too many lights
[23:44] <ochosi> not sure now don't remember the introduction of lightdm
[23:45] <knome> i mean mainbuntu bailing otu
[23:45] <knome> *out