[00:02] is is too much work to keep the source dirs as is? [00:02] i mean, it doesn't sound like a huge issue even then [00:03] we're cp'ing dirs anyway [00:03] Nope, no extra work, the opposite really. [00:03] But, inconsistency... :P [00:04] we have that already though... [00:05] and there's the rationale that descriptive names are better for contributors working on the docs [00:06] and shorter names better on the built docs [00:06] No no, I'd just change "desktop-guide" to "user-docs". [00:07] (And leave "contributor-docs".) [00:07] i'll make slickymaster decide :P [00:07] \o/ [00:08] anyway, can we make the script support both templates now? [00:08] and make the building work with the new structure [00:09] Only 'pdf-create.sh' needs to be adapted, the rest is all in the Makefiles. [00:10] oki [00:10] We'll first have to fix the directory structure though. [00:10] sure [00:10] if you do MP's for that, i can merge them into main [00:10] Also, we'll have to create a startpage for contrib. [00:10] mmmm.. nope actually [00:10] i was thinking we'd just use the same startpage for both [00:11] Yeah, that'd work too, I guess. [00:11] but let's leave that for $later [00:13] Ok, I'll work on the whole thing in the next days then - except the startpage. [00:15] cheers [00:15] i'll be off most of the day tomorrow [00:15] but back in the evening [00:16] That is, I'll move the current one along the user docs, and have none for the contrib ones. [00:16] :) [00:16] + with [00:16] evening folks [00:16] bluesabre: Hi. [00:16] hey seany [00:18] hey guys [00:18] flocculant: yes, 11utc is a-ok! [00:19] b-notok [00:19] c-idontknow [00:19] I pick c [00:19] ENOTANOPTIONGIVENBYFLOCCULANT [00:20] flocculant: the overlay scrollbars in synaptic... yeah, apps running as root don't have the same environment [00:21] /etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session ? :D [00:23] Unit193: yeah, but those vars are not in the session when running as root [00:30] knome: You aware that the contrib docs' .pot isn't updated yet, after the latest additions? [00:30] krytarik, yes [00:30] Alright. [00:30] krytarik, i'm not exactly waiting for translations there yet, either [00:31] And much stuff to be added still too. [00:31] yep [00:31] and likely somewhat lot changed [00:31] Yep. [00:31] so yeah, not worried yet [00:40] l [00:40] m [00:40] n [00:41] :Ð [00:42] Yes? [00:42] l, m, n, op [00:43] clever, right? [00:56] stop breaking things you two! [00:56] :D [00:56] wut? [00:56] * knome drops the vase [00:56] OOOPS [00:56] FSLKFJDSKLFJDSLK [00:57] mic check, 1 2 1 2 [00:57] an angry, voiceful bluesabre appears [00:57] :D [00:58] :@ [00:58] >:D [00:58] O.o [00:58] o.O [00:58] >.< [00:58] @ = cinnamon bun [00:58] knome: Error: "=" is not a valid command. [00:58] :p [00:58] wellll... [00:59] that was surprising [00:59] NOT [00:59] :[@] [00:59] big-mouthed bluesabre [01:00] "look ma, a whole cinnamon bun in my mouth!" [01:10] Thanks everyone for another wonderful release. Xubuntu is the best distro and it gets even better every release. Thank you. [01:14] kauefr, you're welcome and thanks for the feedback [01:18] guess we can't mess it up for 16.04 then [01:18] :) [01:18] of course we can [01:18] knome: -v me please [01:18] make bluesabre design the walpaper [01:18] +l [01:18] lol [01:18] wait [01:19] danke [01:19] actually you can do it yourself [01:19] just s/voice/devoice/ in the command [01:19] ...iirc [01:20] nope [01:20] hmm [01:20] not a channel operator [01:20] :D [01:21] silly [01:22] oh [01:22] it was Unit193 who gave you that :D [01:22] * knome giggles [01:22] :D [01:23] And yes, /cs devoice works. [02:00] Just filed a bug report (#1512922), I hope I did it right. [02:00] LP #1512922 [02:00] Launchpad bug 1512922 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Reverse scroll direction doesn't work in every application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512922 === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [07:11] can't make contributors anymore [07:56] flocculant: make contributors-html [07:59] mmm - why so? [07:59] just out of interest you understand [08:02] Sure, because for the user docs the targets are 'html', 'style', 'translate', etc. So in order for it to follow suit, same deal. Also, -html only runs html, not clean or anything (I added clean to the global clean target.) [08:02] k - think I get that :) [08:02] thanks Unit193 :) === Guest55094 is now known as flocculant [18:48] ubuntu dropping software centre apparently - what does that mean for us and having it for 3 years ? [18:52] flocculant: They're going to replace it with the gnome software center [18:53] who is they? [18:54] ali1234: Canonical? I'm not sure [18:54] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts [18:54] I just heard this from the online summit [18:54] I think it was in the Python 3 talk that they mentioned it [19:10] nothing official yet, but if it does happen we need to be aware if we have it for 3 years [19:12] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-python3-only-on-the-images [19:23] next meeting is not on the team calendar :p [19:24] wouldn't be - no-one's done that [19:24] and the date is stc ;) [19:24] oh right, there was that discussion [19:24] sorry, now i remember [19:24] :) [19:25] well i probably would be there for a 20/21/22 utc meeting [19:25] it won't be then for sure :p [19:27] bluesabre micahg - can you 2 try and come up with a compromise - if it's ok for me then I'll go for that - thanks [19:34] so I sent this guy to #xubuntu - any idea on how to help him? :) [19:36] Hey so I'm looking to get involved with Xubuntu, preferrably development. Where would be a good place to start? [19:37] what do you guys think about trying to include xfce4-appfinder built against gtk3 for xenial? [19:38] bbrawner: you might want to look at this: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ [19:38] and if you're interested in programming, the link "Development" might be interesting for you [19:39] dkessel: Thanks! [19:40] bbrawner, and introducing yourself and asking here isn't a bad idea either [19:40] bbrawner: feel free to ask the others questions afterwards ;) i am away for today though [19:41] Thanks guys. I work as a web developer doing mostly php and javascript but I'm familiar with python as well [19:42] bbrawner, if we decide to run a community wallpaper contest for 16.04, those skills might come in handy - we might build a platform for the submissions [19:43] bbrawner, and hello, i'm the website lead :) [19:43] knome: Cool, I'd love to help with that! [19:43] Nice to meet you! [19:43] bbrawner, you familiar with wordpress? [19:43] there's nothing right now we need done, but in the future, maybe... [19:43] knome: I do a ton of work with wordpress [19:43] great [19:44] fwiw, here's our theme branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme [19:45] knome: Sweet, I'll have to take a look at that [19:45] anyne interested in a xubuntu image for raspberry pi? [19:46] ubuntu mate released all their scripts, apparently it can build xubuntu [19:46] ali1234: Yeah, that looked interesting [19:46] i'm going to try it at some point unless someone beats me to it [19:48] ali1234, for an official image i don't think we have enough testers, but if there are volunteers to maintain it, i think we can enable a "community build" [19:49] and for the ISO itself, why not, though i don't have a pi (at least yet) [19:49] the ISO itself? [19:49] well the image itself [19:49] you don't use an install ISO on a pi... [19:49] OH WELL [19:49] too bad [19:49] whatever really [19:49] * knome shrugs [19:50] it needs a special bootloader setup and has to run oem-setup on first boot [19:51] I don't have a pi either but I could use this as an excuse to get one haha [19:55] ali1234: for an official thing flexiondotorg: so, that's all three xubuntu-release folks... I'd suggest holding off on those pi2 builds for xubuntu [22:00] hi guys, I've marked http://launchpad.net/bugs/1510911 as a duplicate on the grounds it shows exactly the same symptons to me as the 'master' bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447038 which was in the Wily release notes. [22:00] Launchpad bug 1447038 in casper (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1510911 Shutdown/Restart of live session guest does not work in Virtualbox or VMWare" [High,Incomplete] [22:00] Launchpad bug 1447038 in casper (Ubuntu) "Shutdown/Restart of live session guest does not work in Virtualbox or VMWare" [High,Incomplete] [23:10] knome: Where can I find more info on getting involved with the website team? [23:10] <- bbrawner [23:10] Haha, well how can I get started? [23:11] well, as i said, at the moment we aren't looking for anything specific [23:11] but during this cycle we might need that submission platform for wallpapers [23:11] hiyas knome :) [23:11] hello phillw [23:12] Gotcha. Well I subscribed to the devel mailing list so I'll keep my eyes out for stuff on that. I'll also make it a point to log into this chat whenever I'm on so that I'm available if you need me [23:12] bbrawner, great; subbing the ML is good and hanging around here is good [23:13] and of course, if you have ideas of your own... [23:13] Sure, I'll take a look around the site and see if anything comes to mind [23:14] http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ too [23:14] the code for that isn't in a repository (yet) [23:14] but i should push it at some point [23:14] i guess at least another pair of eyes for making sure the code makes sense wouldn't be bad [23:15] Cool, I can take a look at it. Are you by chance from Finland? [23:15] you'll also notice that website is useful for other reasons ;) [23:15] i am :) [23:15] Olin vaihto-oppilas suomessa pari vuotta sitten :D [23:16] Haha yeah, it looks good [23:16] oho :) [23:16] Missä opiskelit? [23:16] Lukiossa haha [23:16] (though we really should take that one to #xubuntu-offtopic, a favorite messaround channel for the developers) [23:16] Sounds good! [23:20] flocculant: sorry, the backlog was too long but if you havent found out what to report your scrollbar issue against yet, that'd be xubuntu-default-settings. bluesabre set the scrollbars to not hide by default (which is what they do in gtk3 by default, but obviously not in gtk2) [23:20] o hai ochosi [23:20] flocculant: so yeah, that's theme-independant [23:20] evening knome [23:20] i saw you mentioned a greybird-hdpi theme..? [23:20] is there something out there that i dont know about? :) [23:20] i don't know [23:21] do we not have that in a repository? [23:21] i have it here [23:21] O:) [23:21] maybe that was some WIP stuff [23:21] (there's even an issue about that, but i never did a theme for hdpi) [23:21] heh [23:21] yeah, only xfwm4-default has those variants [23:21] aha [23:21] * knome shrugs [23:21] i have no idea where that came from then [23:21] got no complaints though.... [23:22] * knome whistles [23:22] yeah, nvm then :) [23:24] so what's up? [23:26] phu, not too much tbh :) [23:27] just saw flocculant's inquiry and felt i should reply today at some point [23:27] now i'm tired and should head to bed :) [23:27] how nice of you [23:27] also, i saw the news of USC being dropped, and i would be lying if i said i'm sorry about that [23:28] we should sit down some day and plan the artwork etc blueprints [23:28] oh, i didn't [23:28] but ha. [23:28] what now? [23:28] i was never really a fan, and if more effort goes into gnome-software, then heck let's try that one then [23:28] yeah, i added some issues from my side to -artwork [23:28] haven't added anything to -devel, cause i'm unsure i'll really have time for it atm [23:29] we can also decide to go back to synaptic, but it won't be a very user-friendly choice [23:29] true [23:29] (only a power-user friendly choice, and then again, most of those use cli anyway) [23:30] yep [23:33] anyway, we should put that on the agenda for next meeting [23:34] and some blueprints... [23:35] yeah, discussing blueprints in the next meeting is fine [23:36] no, i meant we need some work items [23:36] although to some extent team leads should take care of that [23:36] but that too, probably :P [23:36] thanks for up'ing the bps [23:36] very sane to do that straight away [23:37] anyhow, i'll install gnome software now [23:37] and i guess we should all do that so we can take an informed choice [23:37] :) [23:37] i'll have to postpone that to next week [23:37] but yeah, should do that [23:38] did you see an official source for the news (eg. not OMG! Ubuntu)? [23:39] nope [23:39] and humm,it doesn't even seem to be freely available in the wily repos [23:39] well, if you have time plz ask around whether there's any substance to this in case of doubt [23:40] right, looks like the issue for that was carried forward from wily to xenial [23:41] gee, it's not even in the gnome3-staging ppa... [23:43] heh [23:43] "nice" [23:43] well, [23:43] if it's going to mainbuntu LTS [23:43] i'm sure it will go fast forward [23:43] yeah [23:43] ...or then they'll just bail out and keep USC for one more LTS [23:43] right [23:44] didn't that kind of happen with light-locker? [23:44] i'd say so too [23:44] ? [23:44] i mean [23:44] lightdm [23:44] oh [23:44] too many lights [23:44] not sure now don't remember the introduction of lightdm [23:45] i mean mainbuntu bailing otu [23:45] *out