[06:00] <didrocks> good morning
[06:49] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:49] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:50] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[07:01] <hikiko-lpt> hello all
[07:03] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[07:05] <hikiko> hi didrocks seb128
[07:05] <seb128> hey hikiko
[08:02] <Trevinho> morning
[08:02] <didrocks> good morning Trevinho!
[08:02] <Trevinho> heyd didrocks
[08:02] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:03] <seb128> Trevinho, still holding to the waking up early it seems :-)
[08:03] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah... Up since almost 2 hrs -_-
[08:03] <Trevinho> And it's not a good thing
[08:05] <seb128> :-(
[08:51] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[08:51] <willcooke> g'monin
[08:52] <didrocks> morning TheMuso, willcooke!
[08:53] <seb128> hey TheMuso willcooke
[09:02] <Laney> hi
[09:02] <Laney> radio show about p vs np on the radio now
[09:02] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_fourfm ;-)
[09:07] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:09] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:09] <Laney> how's france today?
[09:10] <ochosi> morning everyone
[09:11] <ochosi> i read that USC will likely be retired for X in favor of gnome-software
[09:11] <ochosi> is this decided already or only a plan?
[09:11] <Laney> both
[09:11] <seb128> hey Laney ochosi
[09:11] <ochosi> (would like to evaluate it for xubuntu, but no PPA with it or anything)
[09:12] <seb128> ochosi, isn't a plan something that is decided?
[09:12] <ochosi> k
[09:12] <Laney> yes because there is a lot of work
[09:12] <ochosi> heh, right
[09:12] <larsu> good morning!
[09:12] <Laney> try unstable
[09:12] <Laney> hey seb128 and larsu!
[09:12]  * larsu spent the morning offline :)
[09:12] <Laney> (or fedora I guess)
[09:12] <seb128> hey larsu
[09:12] <Laney> oh god
[09:12] <Laney> was it awful?
[09:12] <willcooke> g'night TheMuso
[09:12] <ochosi> oh ok, i'll look in debian then
[09:12] <seb128> larsu, what are you hacking on?
[09:12] <larsu> Laney: hi! Happy Thursday
[09:12] <larsu> hi seb128! ça va?
[09:12] <Laney> hacking on plumbing in the sink
[09:13] <Laney> ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> larsu, oui, et toi?
[09:13] <larsu> seb128: started on geonames localization
[09:13] <larsu> seb128: anything more pressing?
[09:13] <Laney> "let's say you have a group of N people"
[09:13] <larsu> seb128: I'm great thanks!
[09:13] <larsu> Laney: sink is done since last week ;)
[09:13] <Laney> nice!
[09:13] <seb128> larsu, no, that's a good one
[09:13] <willcooke> #1480217
[09:14] <Laney> HAHA
[09:14] <Laney> "just leaving that here"
[09:14] <willcooke> Err.  maybe bug: 1480217:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1480217
[09:14] <willcooke> there we go
[09:14] <seb128> willcooke, that's fix commited
[09:14] <didrocks> Laney: cloudy
[09:14] <seb128> and uploaded
[09:14] <larsu> willcooke: I fixed that last week
[09:14] <larsu> (or this week?)
[09:15] <larsu> (some week)
[09:15] <willcooke> Cool!  I am confused about why there is a "Needs Fixing" review
[09:15] <Laney> it says it is merged
[09:15] <seb128> where?
[09:15] <larsu> are you looking at a different bug? "Merged" for me
[09:15] <seb128> oh
[09:15] <seb128> it was need fixing from me because we found some other issue
[09:15] <seb128> but it fixed
[09:15] <willcooke> Ah, I see the dates.  Laney's OK is after seb128's  Needs Fixing
[09:15] <seb128> and laney took over reviewing
[09:15] <seb128> so I didn't update mine
[09:15]  * Laney thinks this doesn't need 4 minds
[09:15] <Laney> see you!
[09:16] <willcooke> the status is still "In Progress"
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, have fun
[09:16] <seb128> willcooke, fixed that
[09:16] <seb128> set to fix commited
[09:16] <willcooke> Thanks seb128
[09:16] <seb128> yw!
[09:17] <willcooke> and thanks larsu for fixing it
[09:18] <seb128> larsu, do you know if "gtk_window_set_titlebar (GTK_WINDOW (window), NULL);" should be enough to make the GtkHeaderBar in gedit not be a titlebar?
[09:18] <larsu> btw, I'll probably drop by the systemd conference later today
[09:18] <seb128> (that's what the osx backend does)
[09:18] <larsu> but I should be online
[09:18] <seb128> k
[09:19] <seb128> you got an invitation?
[09:19] <larsu> seb128: that will remove the headerbar completely
[09:19] <seb128> or paid $crazy_price for a ticket?
[09:19] <larsu> you need to pack it into the main area of the widget if you want to have it shown
[09:19] <seb128> larsu, what is gedit looking like on osX then?
[09:19] <larsu> seb128: invitation
[09:19] <seb128> cool
[09:19] <larsu> seb128: only titlebar (this is what that line would do)
[09:19] <seb128> k
[09:20] <seb128> with no menu
[09:20] <seb128> weird
[09:20] <larsu> oh?
[09:20] <larsu> this is wrong
[09:20] <seb128> well gedit upstream doesn't have a menubar
[09:20] <larsu> I would look into this, but I can't install gedit on X
[09:20] <seb128> btw your patch is accept commit I think
[09:20] <seb128> why not?
[09:21] <larsu>  gedit : Depends: gedit-common (< 3.11) but 3.16.3-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:21] <seb128> ah
[09:21] <seb128> you have a local install
[09:21] <seb128> you can sudo apt-get install gedit/xenial gedit-common/xenial
[09:21] <larsu> I do?!
[09:22] <seb128> well, 3.16.3-0ubuntu3
[09:22] <seb128> that's likely your local update build
[09:22] <seb128> we are on 3.10
[09:22] <larsu> ah you're right! Thanks :)
[09:22] <seb128> yw
[09:22] <larsu> ok now your problem :)
[09:22] <seb128> I still didn't make up my mind on decorations or not
[09:22] <seb128> well my problem is with the 3.18 update I'm working on
[09:22] <seb128> it works fine but I wanted to try with normal decorations
[09:23] <larsu> and then you get no menubar?
[09:23] <larsu> or is that unrelated?
[09:23] <seb128> unrelated
[09:23] <seb128> things work well
[09:23] <seb128> I'm just trying to find the easiest way to turn off the gtkheaderbar as decoration
[09:24] <seb128> to see how things look with decoration + headerbar
[09:24] <larsu> yes that line should do it
[09:24] <larsu> if you want the headerbar as toolbar, you also need to pack the headrbar into the main area of the window (maybe wrapped in a vbox)
[09:25] <seb128> right, thanks
[09:26] <larsu> let me know if you need help
[09:28] <seb128> should be fine, but thanks
[09:28] <seb128> I'm pondering just uploading with the headerbar to get feedback
[09:28] <seb128> it's looking/working mostly fine
[09:28] <seb128> the other thing I'm unsure about is whether we should hide the gear menu under unity
[09:28] <seb128> would it make sense to have both? like keep the upstream UI but add the menubar as well for desktop consistency/those who use it?
[09:42] <larsu> seb128: the idea we had last time we talked about is that we show the gear menu when LIM is enabled
[09:42] <larsu> which requires a downstream patch, of course
[09:42] <seb128> what's the point of hiding it in normal use?
[09:43] <larsu> good question
[09:43] <larsu> I guess we could leave it
[09:45] <seb128> I'm just wondering
[09:45] <seb128> it would make the application looks like design and have the modern UI for those who like that
[09:45] <seb128> but still provide the menubar for consistency/users that like those better
[09:46] <larsu> indeed. I think I'm in favor (at least for trying it out and getting feedback)
[09:47] <Laney> we like headerbars now?
[09:53] <larsu> Laney: yes?!
[09:53] <larsu> did we decide against them at the sprint?
[09:53] <larsu> so much back and forth, I can't even remember
[09:54] <seb128> same here, I sort of lost track
[09:54] <seb128> I just want that gedit update out
[09:54] <Laney> There was some command at the previous sprint to not change anything
[09:55] <larsu> willcooke: ^
[09:55] <Laney> but maybe I was wrong
[09:55] <Laney> I thought we were going to make gedit use the osx UI for us
[09:55] <Laney> trad titlebar + menubar + no toolbar
[09:56] <larsu> I thought we changed our mind at the sprint
[09:56] <larsu> why else would we have the whole rgba window discussion?
[09:56] <Laney> hahahAHAHAH
[09:56] <Laney> this is awesome
[09:57] <larsu> no, *you* are awesome
[09:57] <seb128> lol
[09:57] <Laney> ♥
[09:58] <seb128> screw LIM users :p
[10:02] <willcooke> I think we agreed that LIM would suffer, but HUD and Global menu would still work right?
[10:02] <willcooke> But that we are going to put a demo together to show design so that they can check it
[10:02]  * larsu nods
[10:02] <larsu> thanks will
[10:03] <Laney> so stop the patches?
[10:05] <willcooke> what do the patches do?
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, maybe not before having the demo and the result officially acked
[10:06] <larsu> having it in xenial is fine, isn't it? We can always revert
[10:08] <willcooke> +1 to seb128 and larsu
[10:08] <seb128> k, let's get gedit in like that
[10:08] <seb128> it's going to be a good demo case
[10:08] <willcooke> perfect
[10:09] <seb128> though we need the unity fix for the corner rendering issue to be resolved
[10:09] <seb128> but that's minor
[10:09] <didrocks> corner rendering issues… and my eyes! :)
[10:10] <seb128> haha
[10:10] <seb128> sharp corners in your eyes hurt?!
[10:10] <seb128> :-)
[10:10] <larsu> Trevinho is "on it"
[10:11] <Trevinho> larsu: actually I'm leaving he ball to hikiko-lpt as she got a proof of concept using proper shadows that is maybe better than what we decided... So, I'm waiting for that.
[10:11] <seb128> larsu, btw any idea if it would be easy to do the gtk hack that somebody suggested on that upstream blog, dropping the headerbar decorations when maximized
[10:11] <didrocks> seb128: I wear glasses!!!!
[10:11] <didrocks> security ones :p
[10:12] <seb128> :-)
[10:12] <willcooke> oh, that reminds me...
[10:12]  * willcooke makes an opticians appointment 
[10:12] <didrocks> willcooke: see you in a year or 2!
[10:12] <willcooke> :)
[10:13] <willcooke> Trevinho, will that fix be for 15.10 as well?
[10:13] <seb128> when he says "see you" he really means it
[10:13] <seb128> blurry vision meanwhile for you!
[10:13] <willcooke> ha
[10:13] <Trevinho> willcooke: *maybe* but not sure
[10:13] <willcooke> So I think we need to fix the square edges in 15.10 as well really
[10:14] <willcooke> but if that's a tonne of work, then I can be easily convinced that we don't need to
[10:14] <seb128> willcooke, which ones you mean?
[10:14] <seb128> the tooltip issue is being addressed
[10:14] <seb128> the one we are talking about is only impacting some applications
[10:14] <willcooke> ahhhhh
[10:15] <willcooke> right, I understand now
[10:15] <didrocks> and millions of didrocks are happy :)
[10:15] <willcooke> thx
[10:15] <seb128> you can see one example if you have a bluetooth device configured and try to send files to it from the indicator
[10:15] <seb128> the dialog is using headerbar and have solid corners
[10:16] <larsu> Trevinho: yes, should be a small patch in gtk for all applications that don't add those buttons manually (and I think none do, it's a feature of gtkheaderbar)
[10:16] <seb128> willcooke, oh, easier test case, the font viewer
[10:18] <willcooke> seb128, do I need X to see it?
[10:18] <seb128> no
[10:18] <Trevinho> larsu: not sure I got what you mean
[10:18] <larsu> Trevinho: I meant to ping seb128, sorry
[10:18] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[10:19] <larsu> seb128: now or wait until we have the ok?
[10:19] <seb128> larsu, for the "hide the decoration when maximized"?
[10:20] <Laney> some theming needed too, or something
[10:20] <Trevinho> larsu: ah, that was something that some gnome guy was saying in a blogpost...
[10:20] <Laney> font viewer looks weird when maximised
[10:21] <larsu> seb128: yes
[10:21] <Trevinho> Laney: hey... not sure whether the silo 11 has been fully published, but it should be fine now
[10:21] <Laney> hi Trevinho
[10:21] <Laney> I had some weird highlights last night
[10:21] <larsu> Laney: because of round corners? Ya, I think we should square them when maximized (and I thought we already did...)
[10:22] <seb128> larsu, I think we should do it in any case, we have csd applications in universe, we can't patch the world, that would make them look better
[10:22] <Trevinho> yeah, you know... hallucinations...
[10:22] <Trevinho> :D
[10:22] <Laney> larsu: no, not the corners
[10:22] <Laney> the gradient
[10:23] <larsu> same problem now when moving a window to the top
[10:23] <seb128> gedit 3.18.1 uploaded, enjoy good desktop people ;-)
[10:23] <larsu> or maximizing it on half the screen
[10:24] <larsu> I agree it's ugly, but it's the design and we've specifically been asked not to change it
[10:24] <seb128> larsu, thanks for the work you did previous cycle on that update, it made the remaining bits easy
[10:24] <larsu> seb128: \o/ thanks
[10:24] <Laney> I don't think that request extends to this
[10:26] <larsu> and then should we change the half-maximized ones as well?
[10:27] <Laney> sounds like a perfect enemy of good argument
[10:27] <larsu> hm?
[10:27] <Laney> can't/won't fix all the cases so shouldn't fix this one?
[10:28] <Laney> or: already have bad cases - adding another bad one is therefore alright
[10:28] <larsu> didn't mean that, sorry. honestly asking
[10:29] <Laney> righto
[10:29] <Laney> don't know how you can theme that, but if possible then I guess so
[10:29] <Laney> and I don't know if it would look more weird to have the headerbar change theme when you maximise it
[10:30]  * larsu makes a note to try this out soon
[10:30] <Laney> I mean, I know you can theme maximised stuff differently
[10:31] <Laney> but a titlebar which just happens to touch the panel...
[10:33] <larsu> probably not :/
[10:33] <larsu> seb128: is the gsettings-qt fix scheduled for landing? https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gsettings-qt/lp1503693/+merge/276190
[10:36] <seb128> larsu, yeah, I put in a silo yesterday, it's waiting for qa testing
[10:36] <larsu> thanks!
[10:36] <seb128> yw!
[10:36] <seb128> sorry it took some time
[10:36] <larsu> meh, it was waiting for a review until yesterday
[10:36] <larsu> and I pushed a last fix even
[10:40] <Sweet5hark1> *grumble* no popey *grumble*
[10:42] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, I'd guess he's shifted his hours for UOS
[10:42] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, probably be on soon
[10:42] <didrocks> such a shifter! :)
[10:42]  * Sweet5hark1 is just being an annoying child that cant wait.
[10:43] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: thanks, actually its not too urgent ;)
[10:45]  * Laney runs dep11-generator process . xenial
[10:52] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, et voilà ^^
[10:52] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: shhh, you will shy him away!
[10:52] <Sweet5hark1> popey: heya!
[10:52]  * willcooke lays down a trail of kebabs and lager
[10:53] <popey> ooh!
[10:53] <willcooke> box, stick, piece of string....
[10:53] <willcooke> *yank*
[10:53] <willcooke> GOT HIM!
[10:53] <Sweet5hark1> hrhr
[10:54] <popey> nom nom nom
[10:54] <Sweet5hark1> popey: libreoffice-vanilla 5.0.3 update finished compiling on https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-3-4 finally.
[10:54] <popey> excellent!
[10:55] <popey> thanks Sweet5hark1
[10:56] <Sweet5hark1> popey: the splitting of -dbgsym with the ppa setting seems to have worked -- and more importantly: it doesnt seem to increase the size of the non-dbg package in a relevant way.
[10:58] <Sweet5hark1> popey: no arm build on that yet, though. So I guess the thing to do now is a/ check the build/publish dbgsym package checkboxes on the canonical-community ppa b/ copy over the package (without copying binaries, so that they will be re-build, including armhf)
[10:59] <popey> where are those switches?
[11:00] <Trevinho> willcooke: so for the python3 thing in unity, who can I talk to?
[11:01] <seb128> larsu, I have https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/notify-osd/spam-a-bit-less/+merge/274382 in a silo and just tested it, with it the sound icons are wrong when mouse whell scrolling over the indicator
[11:02] <Trevinho> Because this is the situation: unity launch script depends on python2, fixing it is trivial and I've done it. So we can ensure that the dependency of the unity package is on python3.
[11:02] <Trevinho> However, unity also builds unity-autopilot that is in universe and should depend on python2.7 (as ap-legacy is not python3-friendly)
[11:02] <Sweet5hark1> popey: go to ppa -> "Change details" -> check "Build debug symbols" and "Publish debug symbols"
[11:02] <seb128> Trevinho, there is a patch on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1512909
[11:02] <larsu> seb128: indeed.... I wonder how that change can influece the icon :/
[11:02] <popey> Sweet5hark1, okay, thanks
[11:02] <Trevinho> ah
[11:03] <seb128> Trevinho, having universe binaries using python2 is fine
[11:03] <Trevinho> Ok, I was wondering that this was enough ${python3:Depends},, but i wanted to ask
[11:03] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, sure
[11:03] <popey> Sweet5hark1, you have those both checked?
[11:03] <Trevinho> I just wanted to make sure that ${python:Depends} was correclty replaced on "unity" package
[11:03] <Sweet5hark1> popey: yes.
[11:03] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark1: did you see the reddit AMA req? :)
[11:03] <popey> thanks.
[11:04] <Sweet5hark1> Trevinho: huh?
[11:04] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark1: sent a link last night
[11:04] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark1: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rjbj4/ama_request_for_libreoffice_team/
[11:05] <seb128> wooot, new glib
[11:05] <Sweet5hark1> popey: btw, I also had a look at the libreofficekit stuff and changes for the upcoming LibreOffice 5.1 release ... lots of good news there, it seems it would to be easy to add some basic editing capabilities with that (e.g. for correcting a sentence in a press release or a presentation slide, or some basic formatting foo) ...
[11:05] <Sweet5hark1> Trevinho: ohhh, me clicks link.
[11:07] <popey> Blimey.
[11:08] <seb128> is guest session working for others on xenial?
[11:08] <Laney> looks like there's a pygobject -> libpeas -> gedit problem
[11:09]  * Sweet5hark1 makes a note to do the sproket dance at FOSDEM (LinuxTag is dead, Jim, isnt it?)
[11:11] <seb128> Laney, you mean libpeas not built on !i386/amd64?
[11:11] <Laney> ye
[11:11] <Laney> trying a test build
[11:12] <seb128> I bet the pygobject build issue is a gtk < 3.18 one
[11:12] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=7a3bb6971f22accd25e987496d377e1879f6e1ba
[11:13] <Laney> why does it work on those arches then?
[11:13] <seb128> pygobject ftbfs everywhere
[11:13] <Laney> no need to dupe my work anyway
[11:13] <seb128> well, I had looked at pygobject on monday
[11:13] <seb128> so I'm just commenting about what I found out then
[11:13] <Laney> ok
[11:14] <seb128> not duplicating anything now
[11:14] <seb128> good luck figuring it out ;-)
[11:24]  * didrocks goes for the second run of the week! see you later dudes
[11:31] <popey> Sweet5hark1, okay, i have set the community team ppa like that, shall I copy it over now, for a test build?
[11:31] <Sweet5hark1> popey: yes, please.
[11:31] <popey> okay
[11:32] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy!
[12:36] <desrt> hello humans
[12:37] <seb128> hey desrt
[12:38] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho, hum, got compiz eating 100% cpu again with one thread in libpam code again ... did anything change in that area recently? it's twice this week (using xenial)
[12:38] <desrt> good morning seb
[12:38] <Trevinho> seb128: nope
[12:38] <Trevinho> not at our level
[12:38] <seb128> :-(
[12:39] <seb128> nobody else reported that yet?
[12:39] <seb128> pam didn't change either :-/
[13:03] <andyrock> seb128: nope
[13:04] <andyrock> seb128: no change at all for two years
[13:04] <andyrock> seb128: on wily o xenial?
[13:04] <seb128> xenial
[13:04] <andyrock> new gcc stdlib?
[13:04] <andyrock> we use c++11 multi thread sync features
[13:05] <andyrock> maybe something changed at that level?
[13:09] <seb128> could be...
[13:09] <seb128> well so far it's only me
[13:09] <seb128> so let's see
[13:09] <Laney> this bug is weird
[13:09] <Laney> the same test fails
[13:09] <Laney> if you build wily's pygobject on xenial
[13:10]  * Laney invokes the pitti 
[13:11] <didrocks> let the man sleep a little bit longer today :p
[13:11] <Laney> I called the hotel to wake him up
[13:13] <seb128> driiiing
[13:14] <willcooke> fonts!
[13:14] <didrocks> Laney: if that doesn't work, I guess step 2 in a normal slow-raising alarm-clock type is to call the swat team
[13:14] <didrocks> step 3 is an international arrest request
[13:14] <Laney> you've done this before I see
[13:15] <didrocks> and what assure you won't be next? ;)
[13:15] <seb128> willcooke, throwing random keywords at the channel? ;-)
[13:15] <willcooke> it's a primer to me msg'ing laney
[13:15] <willcooke> ;)
[13:15] <didrocks> willcooke: for Martin, it's more "ffm" as a keyword
[13:16] <didrocks> (even if he gave up now that it works in unity7)
[13:19] <Laney> a-ha
[13:19] <Laney> downgrading g-i fixes it
[13:38] <qengho> good morning.
[13:46] <seb128> hey qengho
[13:57] <Trevinho> do you guys also have the bug where if you just click over an indicator it doesn't get prelighted?
[14:06] <Trevinho> seb128: ^  ?
[14:06] <seb128> Trevinho, yes
[14:06] <seb128> still doesn't if I move down
[14:06] <seb128> but it does if I move back up to the panel
[14:07] <Trevinho> yeah... Wondering since when there's that issue
[14:30] <pitti> Bonjour mes amis !
[14:30] <pitti> didrocks, Laney: I actually did wake up at 5:30 (like clockwork), but I didn't go on IRC this morning
[14:30] <pitti> wanted to have some quiet time to draft https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/TestClassesSpec
[14:30] <pitti> what's up?
[14:30] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[14:31] <pitti> didrocks: ça didrocks, comment vas-tu ?
[14:31] <pitti> err, s/ça/salut/
[14:31] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien mieux, presque plus malade :) et toi ?
[14:32] <Laney> hey pitti
[14:32] <pitti> didrocks: je suis un peu fatigue, c'est déjà jeudi  :)
[14:33] <seb128> hey pitti
[14:33] <pitti> didrocks: "presque plus malade" -> "nearly more sick"?
[14:33] <pitti> salut seb128 ! *accolade*
[14:33] <seb128> *accolade* ;-)
[14:33] <didrocks> pitti: "nearly *not* sick"
[14:33] <pitti> didrocks: oh, "presque plus" -> "almost not"?
[14:34] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[14:34] <didrocks> plus (you pronounce the "s") is "more"
[14:34] <didrocks> plus with a silent "s", is "no more"
[14:34] <didrocks> here, it was obviously a silent s :p
[14:34] <pitti> merci pour la petite leçon :)
[14:34] <didrocks> because, writing makes it easier ;)
[14:34] <didrocks> pitti: de rien ;)
[14:35] <pitti> didrocks: ma professeur dit "plus" sans un "s" pour le cas "positif" aussi
[14:35] <didrocks> pitti: ah, ce n'est pas vraiment valide, je ne trouve pas de cas où ça marche. seb128 ? ^
[14:35] <seb128> pitti, it's rather "almost not anymore" (e.g have a sense of things that used to be true and is less)
[14:36] <didrocks> I don't see any case where it's positive and you don't pronounce the s
[14:36] <pitti> didrocks: elle est de Paris, peut-être un accent différent ?
[14:36] <didrocks> not really on this…
[14:37] <seb128> didrocks, hum?
[14:37] <pitti> je vais elle demander à ça
[14:37] <seb128> didrocks, "tu es plus grand que moi"
[14:37] <didrocks> seb128: 15:35:09       pitti | didrocks: ma professeur dit "plus" sans un "s" pour le cas "positif" aussi
[14:37] <didrocks> ah
[14:37] <didrocks> yeah, so there is a case :)
[14:38] <seb128> I would say whenever plus is followed by something
[14:38] <didrocks> seb128: do you know the rule for pronouncing it ? because "j'en ai plus que toi", you will…
[14:38] <seb128> no :-(
[14:38] <didrocks> yeah, no :p
[14:38] <didrocks> plus + quantifier maybe?
[14:39] <didrocks> and in that case, it's positive, but you don't pronounce
[14:39] <Laney> poisson
[14:39] <didrocks> plus + adjectif
[14:39]  * Laney joins in
[14:39] <seb128> it's too difficult
[14:39] <pitti> évidemment cette langue est trop difficile :)
[14:40] <pitti> Laney: la viande !
[14:40] <didrocks> seb128: plus + adjectif isn't the only case to not pronounce the s and it's still positive
[14:40] <didrocks> "plus j'y pense, plus je trouve cela difficile"
[14:41] <didrocks> yeah, so there might be a rule about pronouncing the s, but we don't know ;)
[14:41] <seb128> http://www.etudes-litteraires.com/forum/topic26250-prononciation-de-plus.html
[14:42] <seb128> we are not the only ones to discuss the topic :p
[14:42] <pitti> that would be surprising indeed
[14:42] <seb128> post 2 has details
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but post 2 doesn't cover all the case "j'en ai plus que toi"
[14:43] <didrocks> no an end of sentence
[14:43] <didrocks> and no way it may be mislead with the negative sense
[14:43] <didrocks> (and not an addition)
[14:44] <didrocks> waow, never thought about that one, clearly complex…
[14:44] <Laney> pitti: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748832#c8 <- this was what I was pinging you about
[14:44] <Laney> Not sure if you know g-i itself though, so don't worry about it :)
[14:45]  * Laney goes for some lunch
[14:45] <larsu> pitti: we miss you here :)
[14:45]  * pitti likes the "don't worry" while being too distracted on the sprint :)
[14:46] <didrocks> yeah, let's talk about real work!
[14:46] <didrocks> like this "s" rules :)
[14:46] <pitti> larsu: me too! please say hello to Michael, Lennart, Kay, and Harald
[14:46] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[14:46] <pitti> larsu: and please prod Tom to fix the networkd regression :)
[14:47] <pitti> Laney: more seriously, are you actually at the conf?
[14:47] <xclaesse> in ubuntu 15.10 I often have the gtkfilechoose that freeze the whole app (gedit in my case) when I have sftp:// locations mounted in gvfs
[14:47] <larsu> pitti: will do!
[14:47] <larsu> I guess he'll know which regression I'm talking aobut
[14:48] <pitti> larsu: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1645
[14:48] <seb128> xclaesse, likely some sync call in gtkfileselector? having a bt when that's happening would be useful
[14:48] <pitti> larsu: I was mostly kidding, this isn't really good conference matter
[14:49] <pitti> larsu: shaking hands and listening to what's new is!
[14:49]  * larsu shakes hands
[14:49] <xclaesse> seb128, running it in gdb now, let's see if I can reproduce
[14:50] <xclaesse> seb128, actually I have /var/crash/_usr_bin_gedit.1000.uploaded
[14:50] <xclaesse> probably that already
[14:50] <xclaesse> dunno where I can find it
[14:51] <seb128> probably not
[14:51] <seb128> a segfault would close the app, not block the UI
[14:51] <seb128> does in unfroze and keep working?
[14:52] <seb128> or does it crash?
[14:58] <seb128> larsu, Laney, do we consider that to be ok or buggy? http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gedit.png
[14:58] <seb128> larsu, unsure what was the logic dialog, was it to use linked button when csd is on?
[15:33] <larsu> seb128: yes
[15:33] <seb128> larsu, yes to "be ok"?
[15:34] <seb128> it looks weird to me, at least the border around the button being cut
[15:34] <larsu> seb128: yes to "do we consider this buggy"
[15:34] <seb128> oh, ok ;-)
[15:34] <larsu> it's ugly in our theme
[15:34] <seb128> do we want to fix the theme?
[15:34] <larsu> and we have a gtk patch for the built-in dialogs
[15:34] <seb128> or what is the right way to handle those?
[15:34] <larsu> but many apps pack those buttons themselves
[15:34] <larsu> so we'd need to fix this in apps
[15:36]  * larsu makes a note to fix this
[15:36] <larsu> seb128: btw, this isn't a problem in the 3.10 version
[15:37] <seb128> of gedit?
[15:37] <seb128> right, but we updated to 3.18 now :p
[15:38] <larsu> I didn't get it when I updated this morning
[15:38] <seb128> btw they sort of gave a pre +1 to your menubar patch
[15:38] <seb128> right
[15:38] <larsu> and don't want to use all of the conf wifi now :)
[15:38] <seb128> it's blocked in xenial-proposed due to libpeas and pygobject issues
[15:38] <seb128> Laney was looking at it
[15:38] <seb128> and I think he needed pitti
[15:38] <seb128> larsu, yeah, no hurry
[15:38] <larsu> :)
[15:39]  * larsu is doing some talking and shaking hands anyway - pitti told me to ;)
[15:39]  * pitti pats larsu -- "braver Hund!"
[15:39] <pitti> larsu: *hug*
[15:39] <larsu> haha
[15:39] <larsu> pitti: hug back!
[15:51] <seb128> tjaalton, I don't understand your comment on bug #1480217, you say that the nautilus fixes creates intel driver issues?
[15:52] <tjaalton> seb128: the crasher was triggered by nautilus which wasn't patched for this bug, but there's still some corruption left
[15:53] <seb128> tjaalton, how is that relevant to the scaling issue?
[15:53] <tjaalton> the crasher itself is a bug in intel x driver, fixed in wily and up
[15:53] <seb128> your comment makes it sounds like there is a problem with the nautilus change
[15:53] <seb128> that's not the case right?
[15:53] <tjaalton> seb128: no
[15:53] <tjaalton> "this update doesn't trigger it anymore" sounds to me that it fixed it
[15:54] <tjaalton> just wanted to say that the corruption is not fully fixed
[15:56] <tjaalton> added a comment
[15:57] <Laney> tjaalton: feel free to upload that SRU now that you've built and tested it ;-)
[15:57] <seb128> tjaalton, right, that bug/change was neither about the segfault nor the corruption though, so mentioning corruption in the middle is a bit confusing
[15:57]  * Laney only did T so far
[15:58] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks fo rthe update!
[16:02]  * Trevinho has done something wrong.... Just accepted to go to IKEA.... Please kill me.
[16:02] <Trevinho> him*
[16:28] <tjaalton> seb128: huh, it was all about the corruption
[16:28] <Trevinho> bye
[16:30] <tjaalton> Laney: oh yeah, guess i might push it for vivid too since that's what i use for testing, not lts-vivid on trusty which would mean more work
[16:30] <Laney> tjaalton: hm?
[16:30] <Laney> this is nautilus no?
[16:30] <tjaalton> yes
[16:30] <Laney> orthogonal to lts-* then
[16:30] <willcooke> mdeslaur, you might be interested in this:  https://plus.google.com/111583136332687352922/posts/d3NqxYfVXBu
[16:31] <tjaalton> sure, just saying it would help me when doing crap on vivid
[16:31] <Laney> ok
[16:31] <tjaalton> and not hit this issue which would be fixed in trusty
[16:31] <Laney> are you planning on testing wily too? :)
[16:31] <Laney> (does lts-wily exist yet?)
[16:32] <Laney> (or ever?)
[16:32] <tjaalton> i might
[16:32] <tjaalton> doesn't exist yet
[16:32] <Laney> nod
[16:32] <Laney> well, I have backporting this there on my list
[16:32] <Laney> so lemme know if you do it so that I can cross it off
[16:32] <mdeslaur> willcooke: I just volunteered to unbork the current one, not become a new maintainer :P
[16:33] <willcooke> ;)
[16:33] <willcooke> same thing
[16:33] <mdeslaur> willcooke: thanks
[16:33] <mdeslaur> ha!
[16:33] <Laney> this is going to end up being your life's work now you've said that
[16:34] <Laney> usb-creator: the project which outlives Ubuntu, Linux and all other Free Software
[16:34] <tjaalton> Laney: right, i might do wily too
[16:35] <Laney> ok, just let me know
[16:35] <willcooke> usb-creator consumes systemd
[16:35] <tjaalton> yep
[16:35] <mdeslaur> lol
[16:36] <Laney> let's start with a track at the next UOS
[17:36] <mhall119> willcooke: was there a decision made to drop brasero and empathy from the default desktop install?
[17:36] <willcooke> mhall119, pretty much yes
[17:36] <willcooke> mhall119, both are unmaintained upstream and not used very much
[17:36] <didrocks> maybe, we should send an email to the ubuntu-desktop ML about it
[17:36] <didrocks> I guess UOS isn't enough
[17:36]  * mhall119 is working on the convergence track summaries
[17:36] <willcooke> sure, we can do that
[17:37] <didrocks> mhall119: don't forget the addition of gnome-calendar
[17:37] <mhall119> didrocks: which is being added, yes?
[17:37] <didrocks> yep
[17:38] <mhall119> thanks
[17:38] <Sweet5hark1> its been done.
[17:39] <Laney> I will mail the list when I do it, of course
[17:40] <Sweet5hark1> despite enormous incompetence of some players that bordered on sabotage, USN-2793-1 is out (fixing 4 cves on 3 releases).
[17:40] <willcooke> \o/
[17:41] <Laney> silly specially crafted files
[17:41] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: they should be outlawed.
[17:42] <didrocks> have a good night everyone, see you tomorrow! :)
[17:42] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: I hear the political climate for such actions is welcoming in the UK right now, given you just outlawed evil encryption. Wanna start?
[17:42] <didrocks> (I'll probably run early, so unsure I'll be connected when you arrive if I'm not lazy)
[17:43] <Sweet5hark1> didrocks: have a nice evening!
[17:43] <didrocks> thanks Sweet5hark1 ;)
[17:56] <willcooke> mhall119, I've drafted a quick email, just want seb128 to sanity check it and then I'll send it
[17:58]  * Laney blinks
[18:02] <mhall119> willcooke: email to me?
[18:04] <Laney> Do you want to see the current pending diff?
[18:04] <Laney> I was planning on sending such a mail when doing the actual changes
[18:10] <Laney> mhall119: You could just mention those three changes as probable and say to watch out on ubuntu-desktop for when it's done
[18:10] <Laney> probably next week
[18:10]  * Laney has to go now, see you
[18:19] <willcooke> mhall119, desktop mailinbg list
[18:56] <willcooke> gnight all