| daftykins | oh great kadiro is in now :P | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Bashing-om | Hummm .. I did not know this was a Friday . | 00:01 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:01 |
| Ben64 | really, he wanted to argue about root, i just said "you shouldn't" | 03:04 |
| Ben64 | i'm done with it though | 03:04 |
| daftykins | those stubborn users really are frustrating | 03:05 |
| daftykins | hey guys i just got 97% on the Introduction to Linux course on edx.org ! :D | 03:05 |
| Ben64 | it was like step 1 in the diagnostic process and he couldn't understand what i was trying to say | 03:05 |
| Ben64 | i don't get paid enough here to deal with that :D | 03:06 |
| Ben64 | 97 sounds good | 03:06 |
| daftykins | i dropped one question about shell scripting because i've never done it - and didn't even cover the whole course material ;) | 03:07 |
| chaos7theory | Is there any indication of how exactly big all the packages under texlive-full takes up? | 04:16 |
| wafflejock | Ben64: I ended up PMing with The_Yeti, he calmed down, guess what he shouldn't have been running it as root :) I told him you're a very helpful guy and he shouldn't be so dismissive he was just already angry to start, but cooled down once we chatted for a minute and I explained why we don't just tell everyone to install PPAs and run as root if they want | 04:51 |
| Ben64 | cool | 04:56 |
| daftykins | :) | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 06:05 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl | 06:19 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 08:21 |
| daftykins | lotuspsychje: heya :) thanks for the backup! | 08:23 |
| daftykins | angry little fellow there | 08:23 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 08:23 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: didnt that akik guy came for issues days ago | 08:26 |
| daftykins | hmm not sure | 08:26 |
| lotuspsychje | ive seen him before | 08:26 |
| daftykins | *adds to ignore* | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 08:27 |
| daftykins | lotuspsychje: we need to break in and add this chan to Eric's computer again ;) | 08:48 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 08:48 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: i try hard to get em to add to favs, but some are very hard stubborn | 08:49 |
| lotuspsychje | ioria, monkeydust,eric | 08:49 |
| lotuspsychje | cfhowlett: morning mate | 09:02 |
| cfhowlett | greetings. it's grey, wet, gloomy and 1700 hours here in BJ. :) | 09:03 |
| daftykins | \o | 09:03 |
| daftykins | crikey | 09:03 |
| daftykins | much the same as over here at 9am! | 09:03 |
| lotuspsychje | rainy and 10h here | 09:03 |
| cfhowlett | cool story: I saw ubuntu in the wild yesterday! Chinese guy at starbucks was using it. | 09:04 |
| lotuspsychje | cfhowlett: on what device | 09:05 |
| lotuspsychje | cfhowlett: did you see the hackatton ubuntu insights? | 09:05 |
| cfhowlett | lotuspsychje, nope. link? | 09:06 |
| daftykins | :D | 09:06 |
| lotuspsychje | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/another-wave-of-hacking-in-china-this-time-with-techcrunch/?utm_source=Facebook%2C%20Twitter%2C%20G%2B&utm_medium=Post& | 09:07 |
| cfhowlett | ah THAT one! | 09:08 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 09:08 |
| cfhowlett | damn. I had to work today, or I might have gone. VEry close to my present location! | 09:09 |
| daftykins | :( | 09:10 |
| daftykins | lotuspsychje: actually what is that system? branded or a custom build? | 09:18 |
| daftykins | could be a motherboard quirk too | 09:18 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: its my own build, but the wifi card has worked on trusty before | 09:19 |
| lotuspsychje | thats what so confusing | 09:19 |
| daftykins | are you on the vivid HWE stack on that system, so 3.19 kernel - or original 3.13? | 09:19 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe ill cmos reset aswell | 09:19 |
| lotuspsychje | kernel 4.2 on xenial now i believe | 09:20 |
| daftykins | oh yeah you updated, silly me | 09:20 |
| lotuspsychje | but tested the live trusty right after | 09:20 |
| lotuspsychje | and card didnt show either | 09:20 |
| daftykins | i've seen bad states get held onto until a PSU's connections have been removed from the motherboard | 09:20 |
| lotuspsychje | i tought it was a kernel thing too at first | 09:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ill surely try :p | 09:21 |
| lotuspsychje | brb im too curious :p | 09:23 |
| daftykins | :D | 09:24 |
| daftykins | good man | 09:24 |
| lotus|xenial | daftykins: you did it mate!!! | 09:33 |
| lotus|xenial | 00:0c.0 Network controller [0280]: IBM Device [1014:0601] | 09:33 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 09:34 |
| lotus|xenial | doesnt show proper ralink chip, but at least it show in lcpci now :p | 09:34 |
| daftykins | did you go for the CMOS reset too, or just the power pull? | 09:34 |
| daftykins | yeah that's a weird name | 09:34 |
| lotus|xenial | power pull | 09:34 |
| lotus|xenial | daftykins: that might be early xenial stuff | 09:34 |
| daftykins | ja | 09:34 |
| lotus|xenial | daftykins: tnx mate :p | 09:35 |
| daftykins | my pleasure :) | 09:35 |
| daftykins | my hardware love is far above my ubuntu skillset | 09:36 |
| lotus|xenial | lol | 09:36 |
| daftykins | so tempted to upgrade to a skylake build by the way :) | 09:36 |
| daftykins | £500 i figured it would be | 09:36 |
| lotus|xenial | wow | 09:36 |
| lotus|xenial | lets hope once my store runs, xenial rocknrolls on i7 | 09:37 |
| daftykins | i don't even think the skylake retail boxed chips come with a heatsink! | 09:38 |
| lotus|xenial | 50mb of xenial updates | 09:41 |
| daftykins | lotus|xenial: i'd have to get a new case to get some USB 3 ports built in if i upgrade ;) my choice is: http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=705439&pid=89 | 09:46 |
| lotus|xenial | daftykins: error in link? | 09:47 |
| daftykins | oh drat | 09:47 |
| daftykins | how about - http://www.ebuyer.com/312927-antec-p280-case-0-761345-82000-4 | 09:48 |
| lotus|xenial | daftykins: nice1 | 09:49 |
| lotus|xenial | ok reboot for xenial updates | 09:51 |
| daftykins | aaaah, i love a good puzzle. | 09:53 |
| lotus|xenial | :p | 09:54 |
| lotuspsychje | :D | 09:54 |
| lotus|xenial | lol my gf fooling around again | 09:54 |
| daftykins | hi Ms.lotus! o/ | 09:55 |
| lotus|xenial | 1 min away from the netbook :p | 09:56 |
| lotus|xenial | hehe | 09:56 |
| lotuspsychje | lol and hello there | 09:56 |
| lotus|xenial | lotuspsychje: be polite and say hi back! | 09:56 |
| lotuspsychje | too late | 09:56 |
| lotus|xenial | grrrr | 09:56 |
| daftykins | muahahaha | 09:56 |
| lotuspsychje | he is a one.. | 09:58 |
| lotus|xenial | lol | 09:58 |
| daftykins | no way, us Guernsey folk use that phrase :O | 09:59 |
| daftykins | or more specifically, "cor you're a one you, eh?" | 09:59 |
| lotus|xenial | thats a flemish expression here aswell lol | 09:59 |
| lotus|xenial | almost like sayin, your a weird one you | 09:59 |
| lotuspsychje | yes you are | 10:00 |
| lotus|xenial | ok lemme go downstairs to punish her | 10:00 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl :p | 10:00 |
| daftykins | XD | 10:01 |
| daftykins | TMI guys! | 10:01 |
| lotus|xenial | daftykins: ok dinnertime, tnx for the wonderfull fix mate, ill add bug to it later | 10:20 |
| daftykins | enjoy :) | 10:20 |
| lotus|xenial | tnx | 10:20 |
| daftykins | this pikapi is pissing me off :P | 10:49 |
| daftykins | haha someone just shared this with me in another channel - so good - http://i.imgur.com/UXIXZgF.jpg | 11:15 |
| daftykins | (safe for work) | 11:15 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: he's been acting like this for few days here also | 11:28 |
| daftykins | yeah, complete troll | 11:28 |
| daftykins | he pasted a command to advise someone with earlier, which was a direct quote from TJ on a prior day - didn't even help the situation :D | 11:29 |
| lotuspsychje | dear lord | 11:29 |
| daftykins | might inform the ops actually | 11:29 |
| lotuspsychje | he will get caught eventually anyways | 11:30 |
| daftykins | report complete! | 11:31 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 11:31 |
| lotuspsychje | being helpfull with other users quotes is bad idea | 11:32 |
| daftykins | indeed! | 11:34 |
| daftykins | ooh this is appropriate... | 11:34 |
| * daftykins is listening to "You Don't Have a Clue (feat. Anneli Drecker)" by Röyksopp [Junior] | 11:34 | |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 11:34 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: he starts to make mistakes :p | 11:44 |
| daftykins | indeed | 11:44 |
| daftykins | switch to legacy *facepalm* | 11:45 |
| lotuspsychje | philipballew: hi | 11:50 |
| daftykins | uuuugh this guy pikapi is such a troll | 11:51 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: leave him be to next mistake | 11:51 |
| lotuspsychje | he wont be able to resist im sure | 11:51 |
| daftykins | :) | 11:54 |
| lotuspsychje | lol chill | 11:54 |
| lotuspsychje | hi BluesKaj | 11:55 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 11:55 |
| BluesKaj | hi lotuspsychje | 11:56 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: daftykins solved my ralink card mystery, had to unplug power from mobo | 11:57 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, why would that work? | 11:57 |
| daftykins | BluesKaj: resets any persistence in the NVRAM of the mobo | 11:58 |
| daftykins | some kinda quirk in there | 11:58 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: now xenial sees it in lspci -nn with IBM chipset lol | 11:59 |
| BluesKaj | weird | 11:59 |
| lotuspsychje | might be little early for wifi card recognition | 12:00 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: helloooooo | 12:00 |
| lotuspsychje | add to favs mate | 12:00 |
| lotuspsychje | we start to get crowded here | 12:01 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: <pikapi> he was accusing me personally for no reason | 12:01 |
| lotuspsychje | <pikapi> i was pissed off ;| | 12:01 |
| lotuspsychje | <lotuspsychje> dont msg me, use #ubuntu-offtopic | 12:01 |
| lotuspsychje | <pikapi> tell him to stop saying stupid things | 12:01 |
| EriC^^ | daftykins: i need your expertise on tv and resolution | 12:01 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, well 16.04 is still mostly 15.10 so it should see the wifi chip | 12:01 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: :D | 12:02 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: it sees now, but as a wrong chipset | 12:02 |
| EriC^^ | daftykins: do you think a 32" tv with 1920x1080 resolution is better than a 1366x768 ? | 12:02 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: can we start making bugs in this staqe? | 12:02 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: oh definitely yeah, a proper 1080 panel is mandatory in 2015 i'd say | 12:03 |
| daftykins | might only be able to appreciate it sat close though :) | 12:03 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: wich brand are you gonna choose? | 12:03 |
| EriC^^ | i read somewhere that on 32" if you're sitting a little far from it, it won't make a difference | 12:03 |
| lotuspsychje | MonkeyDustttttttttttt | 12:03 |
| BluesKaj | EriC^^, I'm using a plasma tv as a monitor and the former works much better than the latter | 12:04 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: depends a lot on what kind of content you'll have access to, to use on it i'd say | 12:04 |
| EriC^^ | daftykins: what about like the watching normal cable stuff on it? cause it said that it gets scaled down to 1200 or something so does it make a difference if the tv is 1366 or 1920? | 12:04 |
| daftykins | mmm you'd have to find out what your local TV service broadcasts in | 12:04 |
| BluesKaj | also the gpu must be able to handle the resolution, EriC^^ | 12:05 |
| daftykins | it would most likely not show up so much | 12:05 |
| EriC^^ | BluesKaj: it's for a tv no pc | 12:05 |
| daftykins | what was that path that confirms an EFI boot? was it /sys/firmware ? | 12:05 |
| EriC^^ | /sys/firmware/efi | 12:05 |
| daftykins | ty :) | 12:05 |
| BluesKaj | well the tv will automatically run the resolution the signal provides | 12:06 |
| BluesKaj | EriC^^,^ | 12:06 |
| EriC^^ | so buying a 32" 1920 isn't ridiculous then? | 12:06 |
| BluesKaj | nope | 12:06 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, that's what i read online, but i dunno about tv's and 1920 just seems better to me | 12:07 |
| BluesKaj | it is | 12:07 |
| daftykins | it's a lovely resolution :) | 12:07 |
| EriC^^ | ok :D | 12:07 |
| EriC^^ | thanks everyone | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: whatever you do, buy a samsung :p | 12:08 |
| EriC^^ | noo, lg man here :P | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | noooooo | 12:08 |
| MonkeyDust | hi | 12:08 |
| EriC^^ | i have an lg plasma, i love it | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | please dont | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | i know a guy that bought a 60" LG | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | and he returned it fast to the store | 12:08 |
| lotuspsychje | to switch for samsung | 12:08 |
| EriC^^ | you get a bad lemon here and there, happens all the time i guess | 12:09 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: when you play a 1080p mkv and compare youl see big difference | 12:09 |
| EriC^^ | daftykins: do you know about lg and samsung? | 12:09 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: ihave a samsung smart TV myself, ordereda couple for someone else recently too | 12:10 |
| daftykins | LG's i know run WebOS for their 'smart' features but i've not really researched their TVs | 12:10 |
| EriC^^ | hmm | 12:10 |
| daftykins | this space key is terrible XD | 12:10 |
| EriC^^ | lg cost more though | 12:11 |
| EriC^^ | they seem more elegant (?) or advanced? i dunno | 12:11 |
| BluesKaj | larhe screens aren't always best , depends on the size of the room ,and the rule is the viewing distancew should be 2.5 to 4 times the size of the screen | 12:11 |
| BluesKaj | large | 12:11 |
| lotuspsychje | nothing can beat samsungs quality trust me EriC^^ | 12:11 |
| BluesKaj | 2,5 to 3 times rather | 12:12 |
| lotuspsychje | the guy from my work played his full bluray on the LG and it lagged hard on him | 12:14 |
| lotuspsychje | got myself a samsung UE8000 + mede8er mediaplayer with full blueray mkv's and rocknrolls | 12:15 |
| daftykins | just don't buy too old a model or rely on the smart functions, as the manufacturers will definitely abandon them sooner than you hope :( | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | most likely the player was causing the lag | 12:15 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: no, it was same mede8er i bought for my friend | 12:16 |
| daftykins | i'm using Kodi on an Amazon FireTV right now :) | 12:16 |
| daftykins | £50 box, plays all my full HD bluray stuff over lovely wired LAN | 12:16 |
| BluesKaj | I just use vlc , don't own a blueray .. i use a vpn and DL them | 12:18 |
| MonkeyDust | my desk is a mess, any quick and easy way to solve my issue? | 12:19 |
| lotuspsychje | MonkeyDust: whats going on mate? | 12:19 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: good afternoon | 12:21 |
| OerHeks | Hi lotus | 12:21 |
| OerHeks | just rebooted due to a new kernel | 12:21 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: wich ubuntu | 12:21 |
| OerHeks | 15.04 | 12:22 |
| daftykins | sudo apt-get install desk-clean && desk-clean --auto | 12:22 |
| daftykins | :) | 12:22 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: did something not worj on previous? | 12:23 |
| BluesKaj | some of the most organized people have messy desks, I was one of them :-) | 12:23 |
| daftykins | does any boot wizard fancy taking over kasper's issue? i'm not experienced enough for that one - weirdly his windows 7 + ubuntu appear to be installed as legacy, but his disk is GPT and he's getting bootloader errors from windows when selecting ubuntu at boot time | 12:27 |
| OerHeks | how did he made space for ubuntu? | 12:32 |
| daftykins | mmm no idea | 12:33 |
| daftykins | probably let ubiquity handle it | 12:33 |
| daftykins | i think he's ruined it by using EasyBCD at some point | 12:33 |
| daftykins | the disk looks like it's in some kind of EFI + legacy hybrid situation :D | 12:33 |
| OerHeks | oh pikapi will solve it | 12:33 |
| lotuspsychje | grrr what a frustrating troll | 12:34 |
| daftykins | http://paste.ubuntu.com/13111933/ <--- | 12:34 |
| daftykins | OerHeks: lol | 12:34 |
| daftykins | why *do* we attract these weirdos? i really don't get it. | 12:38 |
| lotuspsychje | he's gonna make more mistakes soon i feel it :p | 12:38 |
| OerHeks | I think we are the weirdos. | 12:38 |
| lotuspsychje | looool | 12:38 |
| daftykins | edx.org is still giving free chromebooks out if you sign up for a course | 12:39 |
| daftykins | :O | 12:40 |
| lotuspsychje | brrrr chromebook :p | 12:40 |
| lotuspsychje | i wouldnt even touch it if it sat in my kelloggs box for free | 12:40 |
| daftykins | XD | 12:41 |
| daftykins | i'm not a huge fan of them either but it's kinda tempting ;) | 12:42 |
| lotuspsychje | things fro free always :p | 12:42 |
| daftykins | https://training.linuxfoundation.org/get-a-free-chromebook | 12:44 |
| daftykins | oh they'reactually crazy money, i didn't realise it said "not" free courses :) | 12:45 |
| lotuspsychje | 2.100$ for a course yayyyy | 12:45 |
| daftykins | yeah XD | 12:46 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: wb | 12:49 |
| daftykins | TJ-: o/ wb! | 12:50 |
| lotuspsychje | 37 users we have a winner! | 12:50 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 12:51 |
| * TJ- walks in looking like Sherlock Holmes :) | 12:51 | |
| daftykins | don't say he gets my allocation of cookies for the day... | 12:51 |
| * lotuspsychje isnt guilty so stop looking | 12:53 | |
| TJ- | Had some plonkers fly-tipped two builders bags of rubbish at the entrance to 1 of our tracks this morning, I saw them doing it whilst I was out around the fields, but too far away! Found some names/addresses/photos in it and been trying to identify who dun it :) | 12:53 |
| daftykins | cor, pesky scoundrels | 12:54 |
| daftykins | TJ-: well it's been all go here too ;) pikapi is one of those bad-advice trolls | 12:54 |
| TJ- | It's a major problem around here. Folks drive out of the city and dump their rubbish - despite there being free council-operated sites all over | 12:55 |
| TJ- | pikapi, the 3-a-day Ubuntu kid? | 12:55 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 12:55 |
| TJ- | what? did he broke it already this morning? | 12:56 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: daftykins seen him quote you for solving an issue | 12:56 |
| TJ- | uhoh! was it bad? | 12:56 |
| lotuspsychje | and it wasnt even relevant | 12:56 |
| daftykins | yeah some guy had some package issue and he typed in one of your style commands that was totally unrelated ;) | 12:56 |
| TJ- | LOL | 12:56 |
| daftykins | shocking it was | 12:56 |
| TJ- | Oh, gee, it's great to be f.f.f.famous :D | 12:57 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 12:57 |
| daftykins | all the kids want to be TJ! | 12:57 |
| lotuspsychje | i wouldnt want pichachu fans | 12:57 |
| lotuspsychje | loool | 12:57 |
| TJ- | pikapi is probably our mystery fly tipper, too! | 12:57 |
| daftykins | i wouldn't put his past him :> | 12:57 |
| TJ- | The ways the new kids find to stalk you online! | 12:57 |
| TJ- | I hope you put him right daftykins ... without being banned :D | 12:58 |
| daftykins | LOL that's my personal challenge | 12:58 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: he's been trolling both of us all day | 12:58 |
| TJ- | Hmmmm! | 12:58 |
| TJ- | Have you ever had a 'net stalker? | 12:58 |
| lotuspsychje | not me | 12:59 |
| daftykins | TJ-: actually i've got a guy with a really funky hybrid EFI with GPT disk arrangement right now and yet both windows + ubuntu booting in legacy mode that you might enjoy | 12:59 |
| lotuspsychje | my ip is anonymous! 127.0.0.1!! | 12:59 |
| TJ- | 'enjoy' isn't quite the word I'd use to describe it :) | 12:59 |
| lotuspsychje | cfhowlett: wb | 12:59 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: Oh you should get one - they're so much fun to toy with | 12:59 |
| daftykins | TJ-: d'aww | 13:00 |
| cfhowlett | :) | 13:00 |
| daftykins | TJ-: he gets this on picking ubuntu - http://i.imgur.com/DCXZ4FM.jpg yet his disk looks like - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13111933/ | 13:00 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: by the way, daftykins solved my mystery ralink wifi card issue, had to disconnect power from mobo | 13:00 |
| daftykins | TJ-: i've suggested he either ask a boot expert ;) or just reinstall both OSs after wiping the drive :> | 13:01 |
| daftykins | so far he wants to wipe the drive | 13:01 |
| TJ- | My partner Eddie and I had one about 3 years ago; was the real thing too - mystery letters, cards, packages through the mail; emails, weird sites being subscribed with Eddie's email address, people turning up at the door expecting a sex hook-up!! Had the cops involved... but we managed to entrap the perp online with a honeypot web-site and from that ID where he was and the cops got him. | 13:02 |
| daftykins | holy moly, that's nasty | 13:02 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: you mean you never COLD booted it? Aha! That's the one thing I assumed you'd done and never thought to suggest | 13:03 |
| daftykins | not bright enoughfor a proxy eh? | 13:03 |
| TJ- | daftykins: thank-fully, not, else it would have been difficult. It lasted about 3 months. | 13:03 |
| daftykins | :S | 13:03 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: now it has become stranger and lspci shows it as IBM chipset lol | 13:04 |
| daftykins | :D identity-crisis wifi | 13:05 |
| lotuspsychje | haha | 13:05 |
| lotuspsychje | the xerus illness | 13:05 |
| TJ- | daftykins: re your UEFI user: autoneombr0 is the Easy BCD alternate boot-loader; that ought not to be on there, | 13:05 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: really? are you sure? show me :) | 13:06 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: the entire dmesg and "lspci -nn" please | 13:06 |
| daftykins | TJ-: yeah he installed it as ubuntu didn't show up as an option apparently, i suggested that broke things | 13:06 |
| lotuspsychje | wait lemme go upstairs holdon | 13:06 |
| * daftykins waits for ms.lotus to jump back on lotuspsychje and type :D | 13:06 | |
| TJ- | daftykins: the problem us... the autoneombr0 is for BIOS boots, not UEFI, so the firmware starts in UEFI mode and loads the Windows EFI boot-manager, which then apparently tries to chainload MBR-style that file, which the UEFI calls don't support... well, that's my best reading of out. Anyhow, the problem is that neo'dumb' stuff | 13:08 |
| daftykins | weird, 'cause that guys windows install claims to be legacy | 13:09 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: #5: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112219/ | 13:09 |
| daftykins | i smelled a win8 -> 7 conversion leaving a GPT disk | 13:09 |
| daftykins | anywho, it's ugly but he seems keen to do the full disk wipe and reinstall :) | 13:09 |
| TJ- | daftykins: OK, but there's apparently an EFI SP on that disk. Did you check if it does have EFI boot files in it? | 13:10 |
| TJ- | daftykins: /dev/sda2 fat32 boot 105MB | 13:10 |
| daftykins | nah, i was hoping to pass it onto the resident boot expert after yourself, but he was not active at the time :( | 13:11 |
| lotus|xenial | ah now it shows in lshw: *-network:0 UNCLAIMED | 13:11 |
| lotus|xenial | description: Network controller | 13:11 |
| lotus|xenial | product: RT2800 802.11n PCI | 13:11 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: show us "pastebinit <( sudo lspci -vvnnk -s 00:0c.0 )" please | 13:12 |
| TJ- | daftykins: did the user boot from Live USB? If so, did you confirm it booted UEFI mode? Does the PC even support UEFI? | 13:13 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112244/ | 13:13 |
| daftykins | TJ-: i'll see if he's still there and fancies a troubleshoot :) | 13:13 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: you see the Subsystem correctly reports. The device is apparently one supplied to IBM and branded by them | 13:14 |
| lotus|xenial | yep | 13:14 |
| lotus|xenial | so it makes sense afterall | 13:15 |
| MonkeyDust | i'm installing xenial too, in vmware player | 13:16 |
| daftykins | :D | 13:16 |
| lotus|xenial | MonkeyDust: nice1 | 13:16 |
| daftykins | lotuspsychje: mind blown that you give a guy a google link and he says it'll save him hours, he hadn't googled already *facepalm* | 13:17 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: do this; it'll show you some other devices along the same lines: | 13:18 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: "awk '/^[0-9A-F]{4,4}/{BRAND=$0} /1737.*006./{print BRAND, $0}' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids " | 13:18 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: did that WiFi device *ever* work on Ubuntu? | 13:18 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: yes, we fixxed it on trusty the other day | 13:19 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: but cant remember how, something with linux-firmware | 13:19 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: hmmm. | 13:19 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112272/ | 13:19 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: did you pastebin the dmesg ? | 13:19 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: on trusty? | 13:20 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: that is weird! awk didn't work correctly for you! | 13:20 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: on what is booted now | 13:20 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: xenial, holdon | 13:20 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: this is what I expected you to see http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112277/ | 13:21 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112279/ | 13:21 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: maybe its because its unclaimed right now? | 13:22 |
| TJ- | No. The file awk is parsing is the text pci.ids list | 13:22 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: its empty on my side | 13:23 |
| lotus|xenial | daftykins: lol, hope it helps him | 13:24 |
| daftykins | :) | 13:24 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: the file is empty? it can't be, you got some results out of it! | 13:24 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: no i man empty where it should mention emtec.. | 13:24 |
| lotus|xenial | like your file | 13:24 |
| OerHeks | 102 is out ! multiboot with uefi http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue102_en.pdf | 13:25 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: the awk command is (trying to) capture an earlier line and hold on to it in BRAND variable so that when it gets a match on the device ID it can print BRAND and current matching line, so that BRAND capture logic is probably failing because you file is using lower-case hex characters | 13:26 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: Try "awk '/^[0-9A-Fa-f]{4,4}/{BRAND=$0} /1737.*006./{print BRAND, $0}' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids " | 13:26 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: still empty | 13:27 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: that IS weird! maybe the file format there is different then. Can you "pastebinit <( tail -n 1000 /usr/share/misc/pci.ids )" | 13:28 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112314/ | 13:29 |
| daftykins | TJ-: looks to me like windows' boot image only; http://termbin.com/0x2p | 13:33 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: weird; the file-format is OK. Must be something about how your system interpets the 'awk' script | 13:36 |
| daftykins | so i think someone didn't clean up the EFI mess before putting legacy Windows + ubuntu on :O | 13:36 |
| TJ- | daftykins: looks possible. might be good to get a bootrepair report on that system, unless the user is going to do a reinstall (correctly) | 13:37 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 13:37 |
| MonkeyDust | there, xenial installed and working... | 13:38 |
| lotus|xenial | MonkeyDust: nice1 | 13:38 |
| TJ- | daftykins: tip, for when getting a listing from an FS/directory you expect not to have many files in its heirachy: "find /mnt -ls" | 13:38 |
| daftykins | *nod* that makes sense :) | 13:40 |
| daftykins | was certainly tedious my folder by folder attack | 13:40 |
| TJ- | I used to get caught by that until I learned to love 'find' :) | 13:40 |
| TJ- | adding in a -maxdepth X to control it is the other thing I use alot | 13:40 |
| daftykins | is there an elegant way to use find on / whilst suppressing all the output of paths a standard user isn't permitted to view? | 13:42 |
| daftykins | and avoid using sudo with it | 13:42 |
| TJ- | there is the 'don't X file systems' option | 13:43 |
| TJ- | "-xdev" | 13:44 |
| TJ- | you could jsut do "find / 2>/dev/null" to 'loose' the warnings about permission denied I think | 13:45 |
| daftykins | hrmm ok, ty | 13:46 |
| MonkeyDust | excellent... | 13:53 |
| daftykins | lol this is going to make pikapi flip out, i think his solution would have worked after all :) | 13:54 |
| MonkeyDust | don't make him start a discussion... | 13:55 |
| daftykins | nah i'm hiding now :D | 13:55 |
| daftykins | it's still a mess, so i don't personally like the 'solution' of changing EFI boot to legacy | 13:55 |
| TJ- | other way around.... Legacy to UEFI | 13:57 |
| daftykins | ooh-err | 13:57 |
| MonkeyDust | to geek or not to geek, that is the question | 14:05 |
| lotus|xenial | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1513477 | 14:06 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1513477 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ralink RT2800pci doesnt work by default" [Undecided,New] | 14:06 |
| lotus|xenial | there we go first xenial bug | 14:06 |
| daftykins | :) | 14:06 |
| MonkeyDust | lotus|xenial support in #ubuntu+1 | 14:07 |
| daftykins | lol | 14:07 |
| lotus|xenial | hehe | 14:07 |
| lotus|xenial | i was 'discussing it' | 14:07 |
| lotus|xenial | with myself | 14:08 |
| daftykins | quick get your gf back on lotuspsychje :P | 14:10 |
| lotus|xenial | she's sleeping shhhh | 14:10 |
| BluesKaj | heh, I have a ralink rt2780 usb dongle ...wonder if it works , haven't tried it in yrs | 14:10 |
| lotus|xenial | BluesKaj: test for me later? | 14:11 |
| lotus|xenial | im curious :p | 14:11 |
| BluesKaj | or is it 2870 | 14:11 |
| lotus|xenial | probably all the same mess | 14:11 |
| lotus|xenial | im gonna bug whatever feels wrong this time | 14:12 |
| lotus|xenial | so we have a clean nice xerus | 14:12 |
| BluesKaj | ok, I'll set it up just for fun | 14:12 |
| daftykins | :D | 14:12 |
| daftykins | that's the spirit | 14:12 |
| lotus|xenial | : ) | 14:13 |
| * daftykins keeps dreaming about new motherboards | 14:13 | |
| daftykins | mmmm - http://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/Z170-PRO/websites/global/products/rNcl9BhUV4NzvQIk/images/mb/mb.png | 14:14 |
| lotus|xenial | lol | 14:14 |
| lotus|xenial | wow | 14:14 |
| lotus|xenial | monsta | 14:14 |
| lotus|xenial | http://game.msi.com/product/motherboard/z87-gaming | 14:15 |
| daftykins | has one of those M.2 PCIe v3 x4 SSD slots for a nice NVMe SSD :) | 14:15 |
| lotus|xenial | cool | 14:16 |
| TJ- | lotus|xenial: is this the wifi device? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Linksys-WMP600N-IEEE-802.11a-b-g-IEEE-802.11n-Draft-2.0-PCI-Wireless-Adapter-with-Dual-Band-WEP-WPA-WPA2-Personal-WPA-WPA2-Enterprise/12321719 | 14:16 |
| lotus|xenial | ready for 950 | 14:16 |
| daftykins | exactly :D | 14:16 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: yes | 14:16 |
| lotus|xenial | but i need to go to the bank right now | 14:16 |
| TJ- | I have one here on my desk | 14:16 |
| lotus|xenial | TJ-: running ubuntu? | 14:17 |
| TJ- | WMP600N | 14:17 |
| lotus|xenial | anyway bbl guys | 14:17 |
| daftykins | o/ | 14:17 |
| TJ- | It used to be in an Ubuntu wireles router system that had 10 Ethernet interfaces and did dual-band AP using hostapd too | 14:17 |
| daftykins | ten O_O | 14:18 |
| TJ- | yeah, it does the job of several different devices: switch, router, gateway (had a DSL PCI modem in), AP, NAS | 14:22 |
| TJ- | hmmm, time I cleared some outstanding projects. The pile on the workbench has now reached my corner so I have nowhere to work to test things out! | 14:23 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, sorry, found the dongle , but the stick is missing | 14:24 |
| daftykins | TJ-: :D well thanks for the second set of eyes as always, sorry to distract you so much ^_^ | 14:24 |
| TJ- | Trouble is, knowing where to start :s It's going to be revolving chairs :) | 14:25 |
| TJ- | looks like kasper got lost | 14:34 |
| daftykins | :D | 14:34 |
| daftykins | that's the trouble with ghosts | 14:35 |
| TJ- | :D just found 2 untouched Windows Office XP Pro 2002 sets at the back of a shelf! | 14:37 |
| daftykins | to ebay! you'll be laughing all the way to the bank | 14:39 |
| TJ- | no-one would want that old stuff nowadays | 14:41 |
| daftykins | you'd be amazed :) i have to grin and bear it when a younger lad i know is obsessing over older windows installs | 14:43 |
| TJ- | really? it's worth the time of listing them? | 14:43 |
| daftykins | lets have a glance | 14:44 |
| TJ- | I've got the entire suite of Windows software and packs of licences from the Microsoft Action Pack subscription | 14:44 |
| daftykins | http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Office-Business-/3768/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=office%20xp%20pro&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684 | 14:46 |
| daftykins | hehe there y'go, some going for £20 worth in the US! | 14:46 |
| daftykins | those being sold listings if my link works | 14:46 |
| TJ- | don't look like any UK sellers... which suggests there's not the same market for them here or in the EU | 14:51 |
| daftykins | d'aww, ah well | 14:51 |
| daftykins | i get quite heated when i see folk still claiming installing and using XP is ok =| | 14:52 |
| TJ- | oh, there's one, with 0 bids. Thanks. I'll watch it, see if there are any takers | 14:52 |
| daftykins | hurrah :D | 14:52 |
| TJ- | XP is fine for air-gapped PCs; running machinery control software often requires XP; anything later has problems | 14:53 |
| TJ- | That's one reason I keep the licences and install disks; never know when I may need to run up some legacy installation for recovery or analysis. I have NT 4.0 install disks still | 14:54 |
| daftykins | :) these are folk installing them on laptops they use online though | 14:59 |
| daftykins | they keep pushing the registry tweak that makes a system pretend it's XP point of sale / embedded edition, so supported longer | 14:59 |
| cfhowlett | I beg to differ. I see WAY too many Chinese machines still running XP | 14:59 |
| cfhowlett | including POS devices | 14:59 |
| daftykins | mmm supposed to be a big problem over there | 15:00 |
| daftykins | and that's POS for both meanings of the initialism ;) | 15:00 |
| cfhowlett | indeed! | 15:01 |
| cfhowlett | strangely enough, I have yet to see ubuntu-kylin in use. | 15:01 |
| TJ- | Nothing wrong with XP; It's how it is used. In all the time I used it, never once was compromised, and never installed A/V either. | 15:03 |
| daftykins | yeah, same here | 15:06 |
| daftykins | it was great for the time, i was just glad when it got murdered :) | 15:06 |
| daftykins | those lengthy installs were etched in my mind :) | 15:06 |
| TJ- | I'm going to need to convert the Calf Shed into a workshop! Far too many components and bits! | 15:38 |
| daftykins | but that's a lot of moo-ving | 15:39 |
| daftykins | :D | 15:39 |
| TJ- | LOL | 15:39 |
| TJ- | don't tell me - you'll be here all week? | 15:40 |
| daftykins | i'd love to but i think i will head to bed shortly :> | 15:40 |
| TJ- | Is it sleepy time already? | 15:42 |
| daftykins | yeah, i didn't sleep last night | 15:42 |
| daftykins | up to my usual tricks ;) | 15:42 |
| TJ- | Awwww, I know how it feels. I had the same the night before, but slept for about 11 hours last night | 15:45 |
| TJ- | I can see the workbench now - time for the Dyson! | 15:45 |
| MonkeyDust | xfce is very 'likable', wasnt aware... | 15:58 |
| daftykins | yeah ifind it quite comfy :) | 15:58 |
| daftykins | blast this membrane keyboard's overused space bar :D | 15:59 |
| TJ- | :) | 16:00 |
| MonkeyDust | using it for my xenial vm | 16:00 |
| TJ- | Yes, I like lxfe/lubuntu too. Nice and simple | 16:00 |
| daftykins | ok i'm gonna head off, laters everyone \o | 16:04 |
| TJ- | g'night | 16:04 |
| pauljw | hey lotuspsychje :) | 19:07 |
| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 19:07 |
| lotuspsychje | hi pauljw | 19:07 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-with-unity-7-to-support-snappy-packages-495769.shtml | 19:18 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-drop-ubuntu-software-center-for-gnome-software-495760.shtml | 19:18 |
| lotuspsychje | xenial news | 19:19 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-drops-brasero-and-empathy-gnome-calendar-to-be-adopted-495782.shtml | 19:19 |
| pauljw | saw that as well the redhat issue... | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | finally a software center alternative | 19:22 |
| pauljw | i tend to use synaptic myself | 19:23 |
| lotuspsychje | terminal here | 19:24 |
| pauljw | :) been known to do that too, just not always. | 19:24 |
| pauljw | i still struggle with all the gazzillions of commands in the terminal that i can't remember... :D | 19:26 |
| lotuspsychje | pauljw: yeah there's so many to remember :p | 19:27 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: I'm trying to get an old mobo to boot with that WMP600N so I can let you know what linux reports | 19:31 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: cool! tnx mate | 19:32 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: i got a reply from a dev already | 19:32 |
| TJ- | currently the mobo is refusing to boot from any USB! | 19:32 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: he suggest mainline kernel 4.3 | 19:32 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: try 'plop boot manager' to force the usb's, its a nice cdrom to have :p | 19:32 |
| TJ- | I have, it's not helped so far. Weirdly, I have booted this mobo with this USB diagnostic kit before | 19:34 |
| TJ- | anyhow, going to dinner now. I'll tackle it later. | 19:34 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 19:34 |
| lotuspsychje | bon apetit | 19:37 |
| pauljw | biab | 19:43 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Various-16.04-LTS-Updates | 20:26 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts | 20:27 |
| lotuspsychje | its all over the news :p | 20:27 |
| lotuspsychje | nite nite | 20:56 |
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