[00:00] oh great kadiro is in now :P [00:01] Hummm .. I did not know this was a Friday . [00:01] :D [03:04] really, he wanted to argue about root, i just said "you shouldn't" [03:04] i'm done with it though [03:05] those stubborn users really are frustrating [03:05] hey guys i just got 97% on the Introduction to Linux course on edx.org ! :D [03:05] it was like step 1 in the diagnostic process and he couldn't understand what i was trying to say [03:06] i don't get paid enough here to deal with that :D [03:06] 97 sounds good [03:07] i dropped one question about shell scripting because i've never done it - and didn't even cover the whole course material ;) [04:16] Is there any indication of how exactly big all the packages under texlive-full takes up? [04:51] Ben64: I ended up PMing with The_Yeti, he calmed down, guess what he shouldn't have been running it as root :) I told him you're a very helpful guy and he shouldn't be so dismissive he was just already angry to start, but cooled down once we chatted for a minute and I explained why we don't just tell everyone to install PPAs and run as root if they want [04:56] cool [05:08] :) [06:05] good morning to all [06:19] bbl [08:21] good morning to all [08:23] lotuspsychje: heya :) thanks for the backup! [08:23] angry little fellow there [08:23] :p [08:26] daftykins: didnt that akik guy came for issues days ago [08:26] hmm not sure [08:26] ive seen him before [08:27] *adds to ignore* [08:27] lol [08:48] lotuspsychje: we need to break in and add this chan to Eric's computer again ;) [08:48] lol [08:49] daftykins: i try hard to get em to add to favs, but some are very hard stubborn [08:49] ioria, monkeydust,eric [09:02] cfhowlett: morning mate [09:03] greetings. it's grey, wet, gloomy and 1700 hours here in BJ. :) [09:03] \o [09:03] crikey [09:03] much the same as over here at 9am! [09:03] rainy and 10h here [09:04] cool story: I saw ubuntu in the wild yesterday! Chinese guy at starbucks was using it. [09:05] cfhowlett: on what device [09:05] cfhowlett: did you see the hackatton ubuntu insights? [09:06] lotuspsychje, nope. link? [09:06] :D [09:07] https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/another-wave-of-hacking-in-china-this-time-with-techcrunch/?utm_source=Facebook%2C%20Twitter%2C%20G%2B&utm_medium=Post& [09:08] ah THAT one! [09:08] :p [09:09] damn. I had to work today, or I might have gone. VEry close to my present location! [09:10] :( [09:18] lotuspsychje: actually what is that system? branded or a custom build? [09:18] could be a motherboard quirk too [09:19] daftykins: its my own build, but the wifi card has worked on trusty before [09:19] thats what so confusing [09:19] are you on the vivid HWE stack on that system, so 3.19 kernel - or original 3.13? [09:19] maybe ill cmos reset aswell [09:20] kernel 4.2 on xenial now i believe [09:20] oh yeah you updated, silly me [09:20] but tested the live trusty right after [09:20] and card didnt show either [09:20] i've seen bad states get held onto until a PSU's connections have been removed from the motherboard [09:20] i tought it was a kernel thing too at first [09:21] ill surely try :p [09:23] brb im too curious :p [09:24] :D [09:24] good man [09:33] daftykins: you did it mate!!! [09:33] 00:0c.0 Network controller [0280]: IBM Device [1014:0601] [09:34] \o/ [09:34] doesnt show proper ralink chip, but at least it show in lcpci now :p [09:34] did you go for the CMOS reset too, or just the power pull? [09:34] yeah that's a weird name [09:34] power pull [09:34] daftykins: that might be early xenial stuff [09:34] ja [09:35] daftykins: tnx mate :p [09:35] my pleasure :) [09:36] my hardware love is far above my ubuntu skillset [09:36] lol [09:36] so tempted to upgrade to a skylake build by the way :) [09:36] £500 i figured it would be [09:36] wow [09:37] lets hope once my store runs, xenial rocknrolls on i7 [09:38] i don't even think the skylake retail boxed chips come with a heatsink! [09:41] 50mb of xenial updates [09:46] lotus|xenial: i'd have to get a new case to get some USB 3 ports built in if i upgrade ;) my choice is: http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=705439&pid=89 [09:47] daftykins: error in link? [09:47] oh drat [09:48] how about - http://www.ebuyer.com/312927-antec-p280-case-0-761345-82000-4 [09:49] daftykins: nice1 [09:51] ok reboot for xenial updates [09:53] aaaah, i love a good puzzle. [09:54] :p [09:54] :D [09:54] lol my gf fooling around again [09:55] hi Ms.lotus! o/ [09:56] 1 min away from the netbook :p [09:56] hehe [09:56] lol and hello there [09:56] lotuspsychje: be polite and say hi back! [09:56] too late [09:56] grrrr [09:56] muahahaha [09:58] he is a one.. [09:58] lol [09:59] no way, us Guernsey folk use that phrase :O [09:59] or more specifically, "cor you're a one you, eh?" [09:59] thats a flemish expression here aswell lol [09:59] almost like sayin, your a weird one you [10:00] yes you are [10:00] ok lemme go downstairs to punish her [10:00] bbl :p [10:01] XD [10:01] TMI guys! [10:20] daftykins: ok dinnertime, tnx for the wonderfull fix mate, ill add bug to it later [10:20] enjoy :) [10:20] tnx [10:49] this pikapi is pissing me off :P [11:15] haha someone just shared this with me in another channel - so good - http://i.imgur.com/UXIXZgF.jpg [11:15] (safe for work) [11:28] daftykins: he's been acting like this for few days here also [11:28] yeah, complete troll [11:29] he pasted a command to advise someone with earlier, which was a direct quote from TJ on a prior day - didn't even help the situation :D [11:29] dear lord [11:29] might inform the ops actually [11:30] he will get caught eventually anyways [11:31] report complete! [11:31] :p [11:32] being helpfull with other users quotes is bad idea [11:34] indeed! [11:34] ooh this is appropriate... [11:34] * daftykins is listening to "You Don't Have a Clue (feat. Anneli Drecker)" by Röyksopp [Junior] [11:34] :p [11:44] daftykins: he starts to make mistakes :p [11:44] indeed [11:45] switch to legacy *facepalm* [11:50] philipballew: hi [11:51] uuuugh this guy pikapi is such a troll [11:51] daftykins: leave him be to next mistake [11:51] he wont be able to resist im sure [11:54] :) [11:54] lol chill [11:55] hi BluesKaj [11:55] 'Morning all [11:56] hi lotuspsychje [11:57] BluesKaj: daftykins solved my ralink card mystery, had to unplug power from mobo [11:57] lotuspsychje, why would that work? [11:58] BluesKaj: resets any persistence in the NVRAM of the mobo [11:58] some kinda quirk in there [11:59] BluesKaj: now xenial sees it in lspci -nn with IBM chipset lol [11:59] weird [12:00] might be little early for wifi card recognition [12:00] EriC^^: helloooooo [12:00] add to favs mate [12:01] we start to get crowded here [12:01] daftykins: he was accusing me personally for no reason [12:01] i was pissed off ;| [12:01] dont msg me, use #ubuntu-offtopic [12:01] tell him to stop saying stupid things [12:01] daftykins: i need your expertise on tv and resolution [12:01] lotuspsychje, well 16.04 is still mostly 15.10 so it should see the wifi chip [12:02] lotuspsychje: :D [12:02] BluesKaj: it sees now, but as a wrong chipset [12:02] daftykins: do you think a 32" tv with 1920x1080 resolution is better than a 1366x768 ? [12:02] BluesKaj: can we start making bugs in this staqe? [12:03] EriC^^: oh definitely yeah, a proper 1080 panel is mandatory in 2015 i'd say [12:03] might only be able to appreciate it sat close though :) [12:03] EriC^^: wich brand are you gonna choose? [12:03] i read somewhere that on 32" if you're sitting a little far from it, it won't make a difference [12:03] MonkeyDustttttttttttt [12:04] EriC^^, I'm using a plasma tv as a monitor and the former works much better than the latter [12:04] EriC^^: depends a lot on what kind of content you'll have access to, to use on it i'd say [12:04] daftykins: what about like the watching normal cable stuff on it? cause it said that it gets scaled down to 1200 or something so does it make a difference if the tv is 1366 or 1920? [12:04] mmm you'd have to find out what your local TV service broadcasts in [12:05] also the gpu must be able to handle the resolution, EriC^^ [12:05] it would most likely not show up so much [12:05] BluesKaj: it's for a tv no pc [12:05] what was that path that confirms an EFI boot? was it /sys/firmware ? [12:05] /sys/firmware/efi [12:05] ty :) [12:06] well the tv will automatically run the resolution the signal provides [12:06] EriC^^,^ [12:06] so buying a 32" 1920 isn't ridiculous then? [12:06] nope [12:07] yeah, that's what i read online, but i dunno about tv's and 1920 just seems better to me [12:07] it is [12:07] it's a lovely resolution :) [12:07] ok :D [12:08] thanks everyone [12:08] EriC^^: whatever you do, buy a samsung :p [12:08] noo, lg man here :P [12:08] noooooo [12:08] hi [12:08] i have an lg plasma, i love it [12:08] please dont [12:08] i know a guy that bought a 60" LG [12:08] and he returned it fast to the store [12:08] to switch for samsung [12:09] you get a bad lemon here and there, happens all the time i guess [12:09] EriC^^: when you play a 1080p mkv and compare youl see big difference [12:09] daftykins: do you know about lg and samsung? [12:10] EriC^^: ihave a samsung smart TV myself, ordereda couple for someone else recently too [12:10] LG's i know run WebOS for their 'smart' features but i've not really researched their TVs [12:10] hmm [12:10] this space key is terrible XD [12:11] lg cost more though [12:11] they seem more elegant (?) or advanced? i dunno [12:11] larhe screens aren't always best , depends on the size of the room ,and the rule is the viewing distancew should be 2.5 to 4 times the size of the screen [12:11] large [12:11] nothing can beat samsungs quality trust me EriC^^ [12:12] 2,5 to 3 times rather [12:14] the guy from my work played his full bluray on the LG and it lagged hard on him [12:15] got myself a samsung UE8000 + mede8er mediaplayer with full blueray mkv's and rocknrolls [12:15] just don't buy too old a model or rely on the smart functions, as the manufacturers will definitely abandon them sooner than you hope :( [12:15] most likely the player was causing the lag [12:16] BluesKaj: no, it was same mede8er i bought for my friend [12:16] i'm using Kodi on an Amazon FireTV right now :) [12:16] £50 box, plays all my full HD bluray stuff over lovely wired LAN [12:18] I just use vlc , don't own a blueray .. i use a vpn and DL them [12:19] my desk is a mess, any quick and easy way to solve my issue? [12:19] MonkeyDust: whats going on mate? [12:21] OerHeks: good afternoon [12:21] Hi lotus [12:21] just rebooted due to a new kernel [12:21] OerHeks: wich ubuntu [12:22] 15.04 [12:22] sudo apt-get install desk-clean && desk-clean --auto [12:22] :) [12:23] OerHeks: did something not worj on previous? [12:23] some of the most organized people have messy desks, I was one of them :-) [12:27] does any boot wizard fancy taking over kasper's issue? i'm not experienced enough for that one - weirdly his windows 7 + ubuntu appear to be installed as legacy, but his disk is GPT and he's getting bootloader errors from windows when selecting ubuntu at boot time [12:32] how did he made space for ubuntu? [12:33] mmm no idea [12:33] probably let ubiquity handle it [12:33] i think he's ruined it by using EasyBCD at some point [12:33] the disk looks like it's in some kind of EFI + legacy hybrid situation :D [12:33] oh pikapi will solve it [12:34] grrr what a frustrating troll [12:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/13111933/ <--- [12:34] OerHeks: lol [12:38] why *do* we attract these weirdos? i really don't get it. [12:38] he's gonna make more mistakes soon i feel it :p [12:38] I think we are the weirdos. [12:38] looool [12:39] edx.org is still giving free chromebooks out if you sign up for a course [12:40] :O [12:40] brrrr chromebook :p [12:40] i wouldnt even touch it if it sat in my kelloggs box for free [12:41] XD [12:42] i'm not a huge fan of them either but it's kinda tempting ;) [12:42] things fro free always :p [12:44] https://training.linuxfoundation.org/get-a-free-chromebook [12:45] oh they'reactually crazy money, i didn't realise it said "not" free courses :) [12:45] 2.100$ for a course yayyyy [12:46] yeah XD [12:49] TJ-: wb [12:50] TJ-: o/ wb! [12:50] 37 users we have a winner! [12:51] hahaha [12:51] * TJ- walks in looking like Sherlock Holmes :) [12:51] don't say he gets my allocation of cookies for the day... [12:53] * lotuspsychje isnt guilty so stop looking [12:53] Had some plonkers fly-tipped two builders bags of rubbish at the entrance to 1 of our tracks this morning, I saw them doing it whilst I was out around the fields, but too far away! Found some names/addresses/photos in it and been trying to identify who dun it :) [12:54] cor, pesky scoundrels [12:54] TJ-: well it's been all go here too ;) pikapi is one of those bad-advice trolls [12:55] It's a major problem around here. Folks drive out of the city and dump their rubbish - despite there being free council-operated sites all over [12:55] pikapi, the 3-a-day Ubuntu kid? [12:55] lol [12:56] what? did he broke it already this morning? [12:56] TJ-: daftykins seen him quote you for solving an issue [12:56] uhoh! was it bad? [12:56] and it wasnt even relevant [12:56] yeah some guy had some package issue and he typed in one of your style commands that was totally unrelated ;) [12:56] LOL [12:56] shocking it was [12:57] Oh, gee, it's great to be f.f.f.famous :D [12:57] lol [12:57] all the kids want to be TJ! [12:57] i wouldnt want pichachu fans [12:57] loool [12:57] pikapi is probably our mystery fly tipper, too! [12:57] i wouldn't put his past him :> [12:57] The ways the new kids find to stalk you online! [12:58] I hope you put him right daftykins ... without being banned :D [12:58] LOL that's my personal challenge [12:58] TJ-: he's been trolling both of us all day [12:58] Hmmmm! [12:58] Have you ever had a 'net stalker? [12:59] not me [12:59] TJ-: actually i've got a guy with a really funky hybrid EFI with GPT disk arrangement right now and yet both windows + ubuntu booting in legacy mode that you might enjoy [12:59] my ip is anonymous! 127.0.0.1!! [12:59] 'enjoy' isn't quite the word I'd use to describe it :) [12:59] cfhowlett: wb [12:59] lotuspsychje: Oh you should get one - they're so much fun to toy with [13:00] TJ-: d'aww [13:00] :) [13:00] TJ-: he gets this on picking ubuntu - http://i.imgur.com/DCXZ4FM.jpg yet his disk looks like - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13111933/ [13:00] TJ-: by the way, daftykins solved my mystery ralink wifi card issue, had to disconnect power from mobo [13:01] TJ-: i've suggested he either ask a boot expert ;) or just reinstall both OSs after wiping the drive :> [13:01] so far he wants to wipe the drive [13:02] My partner Eddie and I had one about 3 years ago; was the real thing too - mystery letters, cards, packages through the mail; emails, weird sites being subscribed with Eddie's email address, people turning up at the door expecting a sex hook-up!! Had the cops involved... but we managed to entrap the perp online with a honeypot web-site and from that ID where he was and the cops got him. [13:02] holy moly, that's nasty [13:03] lotuspsychje: you mean you never COLD booted it? Aha! That's the one thing I assumed you'd done and never thought to suggest [13:03] not bright enoughfor a proxy eh? [13:03] daftykins: thank-fully, not, else it would have been difficult. It lasted about 3 months. [13:03] :S [13:04] TJ-: now it has become stranger and lspci shows it as IBM chipset lol [13:05] :D identity-crisis wifi [13:05] haha [13:05] the xerus illness [13:05] daftykins: re your UEFI user: autoneombr0 is the Easy BCD alternate boot-loader; that ought not to be on there, [13:06] lotuspsychje: really? are you sure? show me :) [13:06] lotuspsychje: the entire dmesg and "lspci -nn" please [13:06] TJ-: yeah he installed it as ubuntu didn't show up as an option apparently, i suggested that broke things [13:06] wait lemme go upstairs holdon [13:06] * daftykins waits for ms.lotus to jump back on lotuspsychje and type :D [13:08] daftykins: the problem us... the autoneombr0 is for BIOS boots, not UEFI, so the firmware starts in UEFI mode and loads the Windows EFI boot-manager, which then apparently tries to chainload MBR-style that file, which the UEFI calls don't support... well, that's my best reading of out. Anyhow, the problem is that neo'dumb' stuff [13:09] weird, 'cause that guys windows install claims to be legacy [13:09] TJ-: #5: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112219/ [13:09] i smelled a win8 -> 7 conversion leaving a GPT disk [13:09] anywho, it's ugly but he seems keen to do the full disk wipe and reinstall :) [13:10] daftykins: OK, but there's apparently an EFI SP on that disk. Did you check if it does have EFI boot files in it? [13:10] daftykins: /dev/sda2 fat32 boot 105MB [13:11] nah, i was hoping to pass it onto the resident boot expert after yourself, but he was not active at the time :( [13:11] ah now it shows in lshw: *-network:0 UNCLAIMED [13:11] description: Network controller [13:11] product: RT2800 802.11n PCI [13:12] lotus|xenial: show us "pastebinit <( sudo lspci -vvnnk -s 00:0c.0 )" please [13:13] daftykins: did the user boot from Live USB? If so, did you confirm it booted UEFI mode? Does the PC even support UEFI? [13:13] TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112244/ [13:13] TJ-: i'll see if he's still there and fancies a troubleshoot :) [13:14] lotus|xenial: you see the Subsystem correctly reports. The device is apparently one supplied to IBM and branded by them [13:14] yep [13:15] so it makes sense afterall [13:16] i'm installing xenial too, in vmware player [13:16] :D [13:16] MonkeyDust: nice1 [13:17] lotuspsychje: mind blown that you give a guy a google link and he says it'll save him hours, he hadn't googled already *facepalm* [13:18] lotus|xenial: do this; it'll show you some other devices along the same lines: [13:18] lotus|xenial: "awk '/^[0-9A-F]{4,4}/{BRAND=$0} /1737.*006./{print BRAND, $0}' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids " [13:18] lotus|xenial: did that WiFi device *ever* work on Ubuntu? [13:19] TJ-: yes, we fixxed it on trusty the other day [13:19] TJ-: but cant remember how, something with linux-firmware [13:19] lotus|xenial: hmmm. [13:19] TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112272/ [13:19] lotus|xenial: did you pastebin the dmesg ? [13:20] TJ-: on trusty? [13:20] lotus|xenial: that is weird! awk didn't work correctly for you! [13:20] lotus|xenial: on what is booted now [13:20] TJ-: xenial, holdon [13:21] lotus|xenial: this is what I expected you to see http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112277/ [13:21] TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112279/ [13:22] TJ-: maybe its because its unclaimed right now? [13:22] No. The file awk is parsing is the text pci.ids list [13:23] TJ-: its empty on my side [13:24] daftykins: lol, hope it helps him [13:24] :) [13:24] lotus|xenial: the file is empty? it can't be, you got some results out of it! [13:24] TJ-: no i man empty where it should mention emtec.. [13:24] like your file [13:25] 102 is out ! multiboot with uefi http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue102_en.pdf [13:26] lotus|xenial: the awk command is (trying to) capture an earlier line and hold on to it in BRAND variable so that when it gets a match on the device ID it can print BRAND and current matching line, so that BRAND capture logic is probably failing because you file is using lower-case hex characters [13:26] lotus|xenial: Try "awk '/^[0-9A-Fa-f]{4,4}/{BRAND=$0} /1737.*006./{print BRAND, $0}' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids " [13:27] TJ-: still empty [13:28] lotus|xenial: that IS weird! maybe the file format there is different then. Can you "pastebinit <( tail -n 1000 /usr/share/misc/pci.ids )" [13:29] TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112314/ [13:33] TJ-: looks to me like windows' boot image only; http://termbin.com/0x2p [13:36] lotus|xenial: weird; the file-format is OK. Must be something about how your system interpets the 'awk' script [13:36] so i think someone didn't clean up the EFI mess before putting legacy Windows + ubuntu on :O [13:37] daftykins: looks possible. might be good to get a bootrepair report on that system, unless the user is going to do a reinstall (correctly) [13:37] *nod* [13:38] there, xenial installed and working... [13:38] MonkeyDust: nice1 [13:38] daftykins: tip, for when getting a listing from an FS/directory you expect not to have many files in its heirachy: "find /mnt -ls" [13:40] *nod* that makes sense :) [13:40] was certainly tedious my folder by folder attack [13:40] I used to get caught by that until I learned to love 'find' :) [13:40] adding in a -maxdepth X to control it is the other thing I use alot [13:42] is there an elegant way to use find on / whilst suppressing all the output of paths a standard user isn't permitted to view? [13:42] and avoid using sudo with it [13:43] there is the 'don't X file systems' option [13:44] "-xdev" [13:45] you could jsut do "find / 2>/dev/null" to 'loose' the warnings about permission denied I think [13:46] hrmm ok, ty [13:53] excellent... [13:54] lol this is going to make pikapi flip out, i think his solution would have worked after all :) [13:55] don't make him start a discussion... [13:55] nah i'm hiding now :D [13:55] it's still a mess, so i don't personally like the 'solution' of changing EFI boot to legacy [13:57] other way around.... Legacy to UEFI [13:57] ooh-err [14:05] to geek or not to geek, that is the question [14:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1513477 [14:06] Ubuntu bug 1513477 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ralink RT2800pci doesnt work by default" [Undecided,New] [14:06] there we go first xenial bug [14:06] :) [14:07] lotus|xenial support in #ubuntu+1 [14:07] lol [14:07] hehe [14:07] i was 'discussing it' [14:08] with myself [14:10] quick get your gf back on lotuspsychje :P [14:10] she's sleeping shhhh [14:10] heh, I have a ralink rt2780 usb dongle ...wonder if it works , haven't tried it in yrs [14:11]