[00:00] <daftykins> oh great kadiro is in now :P
[00:01] <Bashing-om> Hummm .. I did not know this was a Friday .
[00:01] <daftykins> :D
[03:04] <Ben64> really, he wanted to argue about root, i  just said "you shouldn't"
[03:04] <Ben64> i'm done with it though
[03:05] <daftykins> those stubborn users really are frustrating
[03:05] <daftykins> hey guys i just got 97% on the Introduction to Linux course on edx.org ! :D
[03:05] <Ben64> it was like step 1 in the diagnostic process and he couldn't understand what i was trying to say
[03:06] <Ben64> i don't get paid enough here to deal with that :D
[03:06] <Ben64> 97 sounds good
[03:07] <daftykins> i dropped one question about shell scripting because i've never done it - and didn't even cover the whole course material ;)
[04:16] <chaos7theory> Is there any indication of how exactly big all the packages under texlive-full takes up?
[04:51] <wafflejock> Ben64: I ended up PMing with The_Yeti, he calmed down, guess what he shouldn't have been running it as root :) I told him you're a very helpful guy and he shouldn't be so dismissive he was just already angry to start, but cooled down once we chatted for a minute and I explained why we don't just tell everyone to install PPAs and run as root if they want
[04:56] <Ben64> cool
[05:08] <daftykins> :)
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:23] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: heya :) thanks for the backup!
[08:23] <daftykins> angry little fellow there
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> :p
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: didnt that akik guy came for issues days ago
[08:26] <daftykins> hmm not sure
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> ive seen him before
[08:27] <daftykins> *adds to ignore*
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:48] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: we need to break in and add this chan to Eric's computer again ;)
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i try hard to get em to add to favs, but some are very hard stubborn
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> ioria, monkeydust,eric
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: morning mate
[09:03] <cfhowlett> greetings.  it's grey, wet, gloomy and 1700 hours here in BJ.  :)
[09:03] <daftykins> \o
[09:03] <daftykins> crikey
[09:03] <daftykins> much the same as over here at 9am!
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> rainy and 10h here
[09:04] <cfhowlett> cool story:  I saw ubuntu in the wild yesterday!  Chinese guy at starbucks was using it.
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: on what device
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: did you see the hackatton ubuntu insights?
[09:06] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, nope.  link?
[09:06] <daftykins> :D
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/11/04/another-wave-of-hacking-in-china-this-time-with-techcrunch/?utm_source=Facebook%2C%20Twitter%2C%20G%2B&utm_medium=Post&
[09:08] <cfhowlett> ah THAT one!
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:09] <cfhowlett> damn. I had to work today, or I might have gone.  VEry close to my present location!
[09:10] <daftykins> :(
[09:18] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: actually what is that system? branded or a custom build?
[09:18] <daftykins> could be a motherboard quirk too
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: its my own build, but the wifi card has worked on trusty before
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> thats what so confusing
[09:19] <daftykins> are you on the vivid HWE stack on that system, so 3.19 kernel - or original 3.13?
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> maybe ill cmos reset aswell
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> kernel 4.2 on xenial now i believe
[09:20] <daftykins> oh yeah you updated, silly me
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> but tested the live trusty right after
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> and card didnt show either
[09:20] <daftykins> i've seen bad states get held onto until a PSU's connections have been removed from the motherboard
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> i tought it was a kernel thing too at first
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ill surely try :p
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> brb im too curious :p
[09:24] <daftykins> :D
[09:24] <daftykins> good man
[09:33] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: you did it mate!!!
[09:33] <lotus|xenial> 00:0c.0 Network controller [0280]: IBM Device [1014:0601]
[09:34] <daftykins> \o/
[09:34] <lotus|xenial> doesnt show proper ralink chip, but at least it show in lcpci now :p
[09:34] <daftykins> did you go for the CMOS reset too, or just the power pull?
[09:34] <daftykins> yeah that's a weird name
[09:34] <lotus|xenial> power pull
[09:34] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: that might be early xenial stuff
[09:34] <daftykins> ja
[09:35] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: tnx mate :p
[09:35] <daftykins> my pleasure :)
[09:36] <daftykins> my hardware love is far above my ubuntu skillset
[09:36] <lotus|xenial> lol
[09:36] <daftykins> so tempted to upgrade to a skylake build by the way :)
[09:36] <daftykins> £500 i figured it would be
[09:36] <lotus|xenial> wow
[09:37] <lotus|xenial> lets hope once my store runs, xenial rocknrolls on i7
[09:38] <daftykins> i don't even think the skylake retail boxed chips come with a heatsink!
[09:41] <lotus|xenial> 50mb of xenial updates
[09:46] <daftykins> lotus|xenial: i'd have to get a new case to get some USB 3 ports built in if i upgrade ;) my choice is: http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=705439&pid=89
[09:47] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: error in link?
[09:47] <daftykins> oh drat
[09:48] <daftykins> how about - http://www.ebuyer.com/312927-antec-p280-case-0-761345-82000-4
[09:49] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: nice1
[09:51] <lotus|xenial> ok reboot for xenial updates
[09:53] <daftykins> aaaah, i love a good puzzle.
[09:54] <lotus|xenial> :p
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> :D
[09:54] <lotus|xenial> lol my gf fooling around again
[09:55] <daftykins> hi Ms.lotus! o/
[09:56] <lotus|xenial> 1 min away from the netbook :p
[09:56] <lotus|xenial> hehe
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> lol and hello there
[09:56] <lotus|xenial> lotuspsychje: be polite and say hi back!
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> too late
[09:56] <lotus|xenial> grrrr
[09:56] <daftykins> muahahaha
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> he is a one..
[09:58] <lotus|xenial> lol
[09:59] <daftykins> no way, us Guernsey folk use that phrase :O
[09:59] <daftykins> or more specifically, "cor you're a one you, eh?"
[09:59] <lotus|xenial> thats a flemish expression here aswell lol
[09:59] <lotus|xenial> almost like sayin, your a weird one you
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> yes you are
[10:00] <lotus|xenial> ok lemme go downstairs to punish her
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> bbl :p
[10:01] <daftykins> XD
[10:01] <daftykins> TMI guys!
[10:20] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: ok dinnertime, tnx for the wonderfull fix mate, ill add bug to it later
[10:20] <daftykins> enjoy :)
[10:20] <lotus|xenial> tnx
[10:49] <daftykins> this pikapi is pissing me off :P
[11:15] <daftykins> haha someone just shared this with me in another channel - so good - http://i.imgur.com/UXIXZgF.jpg
[11:15] <daftykins> (safe for work)
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: he's been acting like this for few days here also
[11:28] <daftykins> yeah, complete troll
[11:29] <daftykins> he pasted a command to advise someone with earlier, which was a direct quote from TJ on a prior day - didn't even help the situation :D
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> dear lord
[11:29] <daftykins> might inform the ops actually
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> he will get caught eventually anyways
[11:31] <daftykins> report complete!
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> being helpfull with other users quotes is bad idea
[11:34] <daftykins> indeed!
[11:34] <daftykins> ooh this is appropriate...
[11:34]  * daftykins is listening to "You Don't Have a Clue (feat. Anneli Drecker)" by Röyksopp [Junior]
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: he starts to make mistakes :p
[11:44] <daftykins> indeed
[11:45] <daftykins> switch to legacy *facepalm*
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> philipballew: hi
[11:51] <daftykins> uuuugh this guy pikapi is such a troll
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: leave him be to next mistake
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> he wont be able to resist im sure
[11:54] <daftykins> :)
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> lol chill
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> hi BluesKaj
[11:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: daftykins solved my ralink card mystery, had to unplug power from mobo
[11:57] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, why would that work?
[11:58] <daftykins> BluesKaj: resets any persistence in the NVRAM of the mobo
[11:58] <daftykins> some kinda quirk in there
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: now xenial sees it in lspci -nn with IBM chipset lol
[11:59] <BluesKaj> weird
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> might be little early for wifi card recognition
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: helloooooo
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> add to favs mate
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> we start to get crowded here
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: <pikapi> he was accusing me personally for no reason
 i was pissed off ;|
 dont msg me, use #ubuntu-offtopic
 tell him to stop saying stupid things
[12:01] <EriC^^> daftykins: i need your expertise on tv and resolution
[12:01] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, well 16.04 is still mostly 15.10 so it should see the wifi chip
[12:02] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: :D
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: it sees now, but as a wrong chipset
[12:02] <EriC^^> daftykins: do you think a 32" tv with 1920x1080 resolution is better than a 1366x768 ?
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: can we start making bugs in this staqe?
[12:03] <daftykins> EriC^^: oh definitely yeah, a proper 1080 panel is mandatory in 2015 i'd say
[12:03] <daftykins> might only be able to appreciate it sat close though :)
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wich brand are you gonna choose?
[12:03] <EriC^^> i read somewhere that on 32" if you're sitting a little far from it, it won't make a difference
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDustttttttttttt
[12:04] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, I'm using a plasma tv as a monitor and the former works much better than the latter
[12:04] <daftykins> EriC^^: depends a lot on what kind of content you'll have access to, to use on it i'd say
[12:04] <EriC^^> daftykins: what about like the watching normal cable stuff on it? cause it said that it gets scaled down to 1200 or something so does it make a difference if the tv is 1366 or 1920?
[12:04] <daftykins> mmm you'd have to find out what your local TV service broadcasts in
[12:05] <BluesKaj> also the gpu must be able to handle the resolution, EriC^^
[12:05] <daftykins> it would most likely not show up so much
[12:05] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: it's for a tv no pc
[12:05] <daftykins> what was that path that confirms an EFI boot? was it /sys/firmware ?
[12:05] <EriC^^> /sys/firmware/efi
[12:05] <daftykins> ty :)
[12:06] <BluesKaj> well the tv will automatically run the resolution the signal provides
[12:06] <BluesKaj> EriC^^,^
[12:06] <EriC^^> so buying a 32" 1920 isn't ridiculous then?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> nope
[12:07] <EriC^^> yeah, that's what i read online, but i dunno about tv's and 1920 just seems better to me
[12:07] <BluesKaj> it is
[12:07] <daftykins> it's a lovely resolution :)
[12:07] <EriC^^> ok :D
[12:08] <EriC^^> thanks everyone
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: whatever you do, buy a samsung :p
[12:08] <EriC^^> noo, lg man here :P
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> noooooo
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> hi
[12:08] <EriC^^> i have an lg plasma, i love it
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> please dont
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> i know a guy that bought a 60" LG
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> and he returned it fast to the store
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> to switch for samsung
[12:09] <EriC^^> you get a bad lemon here and there, happens all the time i guess
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: when you play a 1080p mkv and compare youl see big difference
[12:09] <EriC^^> daftykins: do you know about lg and samsung?
[12:10] <daftykins> EriC^^: ihave a samsung smart TV myself, ordereda couple for someone else recently too
[12:10] <daftykins> LG's i know run WebOS for their 'smart' features but i've not really researched their TVs
[12:10] <EriC^^> hmm
[12:10] <daftykins> this space key is terrible XD
[12:11] <EriC^^> lg cost more though
[12:11] <EriC^^> they seem more elegant (?) or advanced? i dunno
[12:11] <BluesKaj> larhe screens aren't always best , depends on the size of the room ,and the rule is the viewing distancew should be 2.5 to 4 times the size of the screen
[12:11] <BluesKaj> large
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> nothing can beat samsungs quality trust me EriC^^
[12:12] <BluesKaj> 2,5 to 3 times rather
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> the guy from my work played his full bluray on the LG and it lagged hard on him
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> got myself a samsung UE8000 + mede8er mediaplayer with full blueray mkv's and rocknrolls
[12:15] <daftykins> just don't buy too old a model or rely on the smart functions, as the manufacturers will definitely abandon them sooner than you hope :(
[12:15] <BluesKaj> most likely the player was causing the lag
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: no, it was same mede8er i bought for my friend
[12:16] <daftykins> i'm using Kodi on an Amazon FireTV right now :)
[12:16] <daftykins> £50 box, plays all my full HD bluray stuff over lovely wired LAN
[12:18] <BluesKaj> I just use vlc , don't own a blueray .. i use a vpn and DL them
[12:19] <MonkeyDust> my desk is a mess, any quick and easy way to solve my issue?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: whats going on mate?
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: good afternoon
[12:21] <OerHeks> Hi lotus
[12:21] <OerHeks> just rebooted due to a new kernel
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: wich ubuntu
[12:22] <OerHeks> 15.04
[12:22] <daftykins> sudo apt-get install desk-clean && desk-clean --auto
[12:22] <daftykins> :)
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: did something not worj on previous?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> some of the most organized people have messy desks,  I was one of them :-)
[12:27] <daftykins> does any boot wizard fancy taking over kasper's issue? i'm not experienced enough for that one - weirdly his windows 7 + ubuntu appear to be installed as legacy, but his disk is GPT and he's getting bootloader errors from windows when selecting ubuntu at boot time
[12:32] <OerHeks> how did he made space for ubuntu?
[12:33] <daftykins> mmm no idea
[12:33] <daftykins> probably let ubiquity handle it
[12:33] <daftykins> i think he's ruined it by using EasyBCD at some point
[12:33] <daftykins> the disk looks like it's in some kind of EFI + legacy hybrid situation :D
[12:33] <OerHeks> oh pikapi will solve it
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> grrr what a frustrating troll
[12:34] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13111933/ <---
[12:34] <daftykins> OerHeks: lol
[12:38] <daftykins> why *do* we attract these weirdos? i really don't get it.
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> he's gonna make more mistakes soon i feel it :p
[12:38] <OerHeks> I think we are the weirdos.
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> looool
[12:39] <daftykins> edx.org is still giving free chromebooks out if you sign up for a course
[12:40] <daftykins> :O
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> brrrr chromebook :p
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt even touch it if it sat in my kelloggs box for free
[12:41] <daftykins> XD
[12:42] <daftykins> i'm not a huge fan of them either but it's kinda tempting ;)
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> things fro free always :p
[12:44] <daftykins> https://training.linuxfoundation.org/get-a-free-chromebook
[12:45] <daftykins> oh they'reactually crazy money, i didn't realise it said "not" free courses :)
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> 2.100$ for a course yayyyy
[12:46] <daftykins> yeah XD
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wb
[12:50] <daftykins> TJ-: o/ wb!
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> 37 users we have a winner!
[12:51] <daftykins> hahaha
[12:51]  * TJ- walks in looking like Sherlock Holmes :)
[12:51] <daftykins> don't say he gets my allocation of cookies for the day...
[12:53]  * lotuspsychje isnt guilty so stop looking
[12:53] <TJ-> Had some plonkers fly-tipped two builders bags of rubbish at the entrance to 1 of our tracks this morning, I saw them doing it whilst I was out around the fields, but too far away! Found some names/addresses/photos in it and been trying to identify who dun it :)
[12:54] <daftykins> cor, pesky scoundrels
[12:54] <daftykins> TJ-: well it's been all go here too ;) pikapi is one of those bad-advice trolls
[12:55] <TJ-> It's a major problem around here. Folks drive out of the city and dump their rubbish - despite there being free council-operated sites all over
[12:55] <TJ-> pikapi, the 3-a-day Ubuntu kid?
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:56] <TJ-> what? did he broke it already this morning?
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: daftykins seen him quote you for solving an issue
[12:56] <TJ-> uhoh! was it bad?
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> and it wasnt even relevant
[12:56] <daftykins> yeah some guy had some package issue and he typed in one of your style commands that was totally unrelated ;)
[12:56] <TJ-> LOL
[12:56] <daftykins> shocking it was
[12:57] <TJ-> Oh, gee, it's great to be f.f.f.famous :D
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:57] <daftykins> all the kids want to be TJ!
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt want pichachu fans
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> loool
[12:57] <TJ-> pikapi is probably our mystery fly tipper, too!
[12:57] <daftykins> i wouldn't put his past him :>
[12:57] <TJ-> The ways the new kids find to stalk you online!
[12:58] <TJ-> I hope you put him right daftykins ... without being banned :D
[12:58] <daftykins> LOL that's my personal challenge
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: he's been trolling both of us all day
[12:58] <TJ-> Hmmmm!
[12:58] <TJ-> Have you ever had a 'net stalker?
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> not me
[12:59] <daftykins> TJ-: actually i've got a guy with a really funky hybrid EFI with GPT disk arrangement right now and yet both windows + ubuntu booting in legacy mode that you might enjoy
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> my ip is anonymous! 127.0.0.1!!
[12:59] <TJ-> 'enjoy' isn't quite the word I'd use to describe it :)
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: wb
[12:59] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Oh you should get one - they're so much fun to toy with
[13:00] <daftykins> TJ-: d'aww
[13:00] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:00] <daftykins> TJ-: he gets this on picking ubuntu - http://i.imgur.com/DCXZ4FM.jpg yet his disk looks like - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13111933/
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: by the way, daftykins solved my mystery ralink wifi card issue, had to disconnect power from mobo
[13:01] <daftykins> TJ-: i've suggested he either ask a boot expert ;) or just reinstall both OSs after wiping the drive :>
[13:01] <daftykins> so far he wants to wipe the drive
[13:02] <TJ-> My partner Eddie and I had one about 3 years ago; was the real thing too - mystery letters, cards, packages through the mail; emails, weird sites being subscribed with Eddie's email address, people turning up at the door expecting a sex hook-up!! Had the cops involved... but we managed to entrap the perp online with a honeypot web-site and from that ID where he was and the cops got him.
[13:02] <daftykins> holy moly, that's nasty
[13:03] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: you mean you never COLD booted it? Aha! That's the one thing I assumed you'd done and never thought to suggest
[13:03] <daftykins> not bright enoughfor a proxy eh?
[13:03] <TJ-> daftykins: thank-fully, not, else it would have been difficult. It lasted about 3 months.
[13:03] <daftykins> :S
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: now it has become stranger and lspci shows it as IBM chipset lol
[13:05] <daftykins> :D identity-crisis wifi
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> haha
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> the xerus illness
[13:05] <TJ-> daftykins: re your UEFI user: autoneombr0 is the Easy BCD alternate boot-loader; that ought not to be on there,
[13:06] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: really? are you sure? show me :)
[13:06] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the entire dmesg and "lspci -nn" please
[13:06] <daftykins> TJ-: yeah he installed it as ubuntu didn't show up as an option apparently, i suggested that broke things
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> wait lemme go upstairs holdon
[13:06]  * daftykins waits for ms.lotus to jump back on lotuspsychje and type :D
[13:08] <TJ-> daftykins: the problem us... the autoneombr0 is for BIOS boots, not UEFI, so the firmware starts in UEFI mode and loads the Windows EFI boot-manager, which then apparently tries to chainload MBR-style that file, which the UEFI calls don't support... well, that's my best reading of out. Anyhow, the problem is that neo'dumb' stuff
[13:09] <daftykins> weird, 'cause that guys windows install claims to be legacy
[13:09] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: #5: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112219/
[13:09] <daftykins> i smelled a win8 -> 7 conversion leaving a GPT disk
[13:09] <daftykins> anywho, it's ugly but he seems keen to do the full disk wipe and reinstall :)
[13:10] <TJ-> daftykins: OK, but there's apparently an EFI SP on that disk. Did you check if it does have EFI boot files in it?
[13:10] <TJ-> daftykins: /dev/sda2 fat32 boot 105MB
[13:11] <daftykins> nah, i was hoping to pass it onto the resident boot expert after yourself, but he was not active at the time :(
[13:11] <lotus|xenial> ah now it shows in lshw: *-network:0 UNCLAIMED
[13:11] <lotus|xenial>        description: Network controller
[13:11] <lotus|xenial>        product: RT2800 802.11n PCI
[13:12] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: show us "pastebinit <( sudo lspci -vvnnk -s 00:0c.0 )" please
[13:13] <TJ-> daftykins: did the user boot from Live USB? If so, did you confirm it booted UEFI mode? Does the PC even support UEFI?
[13:13] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112244/
[13:13] <daftykins> TJ-: i'll see if he's still there and fancies a troubleshoot :)
[13:14] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: you see the Subsystem correctly reports. The device is apparently one supplied to IBM and branded by them
[13:14] <lotus|xenial> yep
[13:15] <lotus|xenial> so it makes sense afterall
[13:16] <MonkeyDust> i'm installing xenial too, in vmware player
[13:16] <daftykins> :D
[13:16] <lotus|xenial> MonkeyDust: nice1
[13:17] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: mind blown that you give a guy a google link and he says it'll save him hours, he hadn't googled already *facepalm*
[13:18] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: do this; it'll show you some other devices along the same lines:
[13:18] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: "awk '/^[0-9A-F]{4,4}/{BRAND=$0} /1737.*006./{print BRAND, $0}' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids "
[13:18] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: did that WiFi device *ever* work on Ubuntu?
[13:19] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: yes, we fixxed it on trusty the other day
[13:19] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: but cant remember how, something with linux-firmware
[13:19] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: hmmm.
[13:19] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112272/
[13:19] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: did you pastebin the dmesg ?
[13:20] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: on trusty?
[13:20] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: that is weird! awk didn't work correctly for you!
[13:20] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: on what is booted now
[13:20] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: xenial, holdon
[13:21] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: this is what I expected you to see http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112277/
[13:21] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112279/
[13:22] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: maybe its because its unclaimed right now?
[13:22] <TJ-> No. The file awk is parsing is the text pci.ids list
[13:23] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: its empty on my side
[13:24] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: lol, hope it helps him
[13:24] <daftykins> :)
[13:24] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: the file is empty? it can't be, you got some results out of it!
[13:24] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: no i man empty where it should mention emtec..
[13:24] <lotus|xenial> like your file
[13:25] <OerHeks> 102 is out ! multiboot with uefi http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue102_en.pdf
[13:26] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: the awk command is (trying to) capture an earlier line and hold on to it in BRAND variable so that when it gets a match on the device ID it can print BRAND and current matching line, so that BRAND capture logic is probably failing because you file is using lower-case hex characters
[13:26] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: Try  "awk '/^[0-9A-Fa-f]{4,4}/{BRAND=$0} /1737.*006./{print BRAND, $0}' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids "
[13:27] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: still empty
[13:28] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: that IS weird! maybe the file format there is different then. Can you "pastebinit <( tail -n 1000 /usr/share/misc/pci.ids )"
[13:29] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13112314/
[13:33] <daftykins> TJ-: looks to me like windows' boot image only; http://termbin.com/0x2p
[13:36] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: weird; the file-format is OK. Must be something about how your system interpets the 'awk' script
[13:36] <daftykins> so i think someone didn't clean up the EFI mess before putting legacy Windows + ubuntu on :O
[13:37] <TJ-> daftykins: looks possible. might be good to get a bootrepair report on that system, unless the user is going to do a reinstall (correctly)
[13:37] <daftykins> *nod*
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> there, xenial installed and working...
[13:38] <lotus|xenial> MonkeyDust: nice1
[13:38] <TJ-> daftykins: tip, for when getting a listing from an FS/directory you expect not to have many files in its heirachy: "find /mnt -ls"
[13:40] <daftykins> *nod* that makes sense :)
[13:40] <daftykins> was certainly tedious my folder by folder attack
[13:40] <TJ-> I used to get caught by that until I learned to love 'find' :)
[13:40] <TJ-> adding in a -maxdepth X to control it is the other thing I use alot
[13:42] <daftykins> is there an elegant way to use find on / whilst suppressing all the output of paths a standard user isn't permitted to view?
[13:42] <daftykins> and avoid using sudo with it
[13:43] <TJ-> there is the 'don't X file systems' option
[13:44] <TJ-> "-xdev"
[13:45] <TJ-> you could jsut do "find / 2>/dev/null" to 'loose' the warnings about permission denied I think
[13:46] <daftykins> hrmm ok, ty
[13:53] <MonkeyDust> excellent...
[13:54] <daftykins> lol this is going to make pikapi flip out, i think his solution would have worked after all :)
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> don't make him start a discussion...
[13:55] <daftykins> nah i'm hiding now :D
[13:55] <daftykins> it's still a mess, so i don't personally like the 'solution' of changing EFI boot to legacy
[13:57] <TJ-> other way around.... Legacy to UEFI
[13:57] <daftykins> ooh-err
[14:05] <MonkeyDust> to geek or not to geek, that is the question
[14:06] <lotus|xenial> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1513477
[14:06] <lotus|xenial> there we go first xenial bug
[14:06] <daftykins> :)
[14:07] <MonkeyDust> lotus|xenial  support in #ubuntu+1
[14:07] <daftykins> lol
[14:07] <lotus|xenial> hehe
[14:07] <lotus|xenial> i was 'discussing it'
[14:08] <lotus|xenial> with myself
[14:10] <daftykins> quick get your gf back on lotuspsychje :P
[14:10] <lotus|xenial> she's sleeping shhhh
[14:10] <BluesKaj> heh, I have a ralink rt2780 usb dongle ...wonder if it works , haven't tried it in yrs
[14:11] <lotus|xenial> BluesKaj: test for me later?
[14:11] <lotus|xenial> im curious :p
[14:11] <BluesKaj> or is it 2870
[14:11] <lotus|xenial> probably all the same mess
[14:12] <lotus|xenial> im gonna bug whatever feels wrong this time
[14:12] <lotus|xenial> so we have a clean nice xerus
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll set it up just for fun
[14:12] <daftykins> :D
[14:12] <daftykins> that's the spirit
[14:13] <lotus|xenial> : )
[14:13]  * daftykins keeps dreaming about new motherboards
[14:14] <daftykins> mmmm - http://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/Z170-PRO/websites/global/products/rNcl9BhUV4NzvQIk/images/mb/mb.png
[14:14] <lotus|xenial> lol
[14:14] <lotus|xenial> wow
[14:14] <lotus|xenial> monsta
[14:15] <lotus|xenial> http://game.msi.com/product/motherboard/z87-gaming
[14:15] <daftykins> has one of those M.2 PCIe v3 x4 SSD slots for a nice NVMe SSD :)
[14:16] <lotus|xenial> cool
[14:16] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: is this the wifi device? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Linksys-WMP600N-IEEE-802.11a-b-g-IEEE-802.11n-Draft-2.0-PCI-Wireless-Adapter-with-Dual-Band-WEP-WPA-WPA2-Personal-WPA-WPA2-Enterprise/12321719
[14:16] <lotus|xenial> ready for 950
[14:16] <daftykins> exactly :D
[14:16] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: yes
[14:16] <lotus|xenial> but i need to go to the bank right now
[14:16] <TJ-> I have one here on my desk
[14:17] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: running ubuntu?
[14:17] <TJ-> WMP600N
[14:17] <lotus|xenial> anyway bbl guys
[14:17] <daftykins> o/
[14:17] <TJ-> It used to be in an Ubuntu wireles router system that had 10 Ethernet interfaces and did dual-band AP using hostapd too
[14:18] <daftykins> ten O_O
[14:22] <TJ-> yeah, it does the job of several different devices: switch, router, gateway (had a DSL PCI modem in), AP, NAS
[14:23] <TJ-> hmmm, time I cleared some outstanding projects. The pile on the workbench has now reached my corner so I have nowhere to work to test things out!
[14:24] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, sorry, found the dongle , but the stick is missing
[14:24] <daftykins> TJ-: :D well thanks for the second set of eyes as always, sorry to distract you so much ^_^
[14:25] <TJ-> Trouble is, knowing where to start :s It's going to be revolving chairs :)
[14:34] <TJ-> looks like kasper got lost
[14:34] <daftykins> :D
[14:35] <daftykins> that's the trouble with ghosts
[14:37] <TJ-> :D just found 2 untouched Windows Office XP Pro 2002 sets at the back of a shelf!
[14:39] <daftykins> to ebay! you'll be laughing all the way to the bank
[14:41] <TJ-> no-one would want that old stuff nowadays
[14:43] <daftykins> you'd be amazed :) i have to grin and bear it when a younger lad i know is obsessing over older windows installs
[14:43] <TJ-> really? it's worth the time of listing them?
[14:44] <daftykins> lets have a glance
[14:44] <TJ-> I've got the entire suite of Windows software and packs of licences from the Microsoft Action Pack subscription
[14:46] <daftykins> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Office-Business-/3768/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=office%20xp%20pro&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
[14:46] <daftykins> hehe there y'go, some going for £20 worth in the US!
[14:46] <daftykins> those being sold listings if my link works
[14:51] <TJ-> don't look like any UK sellers... which suggests there's not the same market for them here or in the EU
[14:51] <daftykins> d'aww, ah well
[14:52] <daftykins> i get quite heated when i see folk still claiming installing and using XP is ok =|
[14:52] <TJ-> oh, there's one, with 0 bids. Thanks. I'll watch it, see if there are any takers
[14:52] <daftykins> hurrah :D
[14:53] <TJ-> XP is fine for air-gapped PCs; running machinery control software often requires XP; anything later has problems
[14:54] <TJ-> That's one reason I keep the licences and install disks; never know when I may need to run up some legacy installation for recovery or analysis. I have NT 4.0 install disks still
[14:59] <daftykins> :) these are folk installing them on laptops they use online though
[14:59] <daftykins> they keep pushing the registry tweak that makes a system pretend it's XP point of sale / embedded edition, so supported longer
[14:59] <cfhowlett> I beg to differ.  I see WAY too many Chinese machines still running XP
[14:59] <cfhowlett> including POS devices
[15:00] <daftykins> mmm supposed to be a big problem over there
[15:00] <daftykins> and that's POS for both meanings of the initialism ;)
[15:01] <cfhowlett> indeed!
[15:01] <cfhowlett> strangely enough, I have yet to see ubuntu-kylin in use.
[15:03] <TJ-> Nothing wrong with XP; It's how it is used. In all the time I used it, never once was compromised, and never installed A/V either.
[15:06] <daftykins> yeah, same here
[15:06] <daftykins> it was great for the time, i was just glad when it got murdered :)
[15:06] <daftykins> those lengthy installs were etched in my mind :)
[15:38] <TJ-> I'm going to need to convert the Calf Shed into a workshop! Far too many components and bits!
[15:39] <daftykins> but that's a lot of moo-ving
[15:39] <daftykins> :D
[15:39] <TJ-> LOL
[15:40] <TJ-> don't tell me - you'll be here all week?
[15:40] <daftykins> i'd love to but i think i will head to bed shortly :>
[15:42] <TJ-> Is it sleepy time already?
[15:42] <daftykins> yeah, i didn't sleep last night
[15:42] <daftykins> up to my usual tricks ;)
[15:45] <TJ-> Awwww, I know how it feels. I had the same the night before, but slept for about 11 hours last night
[15:45] <TJ-> I can see the workbench now - time for the Dyson!
[15:58] <MonkeyDust> xfce is very 'likable', wasnt aware...
[15:58] <daftykins> yeah ifind it quite comfy :)
[15:59] <daftykins> blast this membrane keyboard's overused space bar :D
[16:00] <TJ-> :)
[16:00] <MonkeyDust> using it for my xenial vm
[16:00] <TJ-> Yes, I like lxfe/lubuntu too. Nice and simple
[16:04] <daftykins> ok i'm gonna head off, laters everyone \o
[16:04] <TJ-> g'night
[19:07] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje  :)
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-with-unity-7-to-support-snappy-packages-495769.shtml
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-drop-ubuntu-software-center-for-gnome-software-495760.shtml
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> xenial news
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-drops-brasero-and-empathy-gnome-calendar-to-be-adopted-495782.shtml
[19:20] <pauljw> saw that as well the redhat issue...
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> finally a software center alternative
[19:23] <pauljw> i tend to use synaptic myself
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> terminal here
[19:24] <pauljw> :) been known to do that too, just not always.
[19:26] <pauljw> i still struggle with all the gazzillions of commands in the terminal that i can't remember...  :D
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: yeah there's so many to remember :p
[19:31] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'm trying to get an old mobo to boot with that WMP600N so I can let you know what linux reports
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: cool! tnx mate
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i got a reply from a dev already
[19:32] <TJ-> currently the mobo is refusing to boot from any USB!
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: he suggest mainline kernel 4.3
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: try 'plop boot manager' to force the usb's, its a nice cdrom to have :p
[19:34] <TJ-> I have, it's not helped so far. Weirdly, I have booted this mobo with this USB diagnostic kit before
[19:34] <TJ-> anyhow, going to dinner now. I'll tackle it later.
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> kk
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit
[19:43] <pauljw> biab
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Various-16.04-LTS-Updates
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> its all over the news :p
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> nite nite