=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/convergence/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/05/%23ubuntu-uos-convergence.html === hikiko-lpt is now known as hikiko [09:28] hey there mariogrip how is radio cell fix? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | Convergence Q&A | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22640/convergence-qa/ [14:01] getting everybody on, will start the broadcast in a couple minutes [14:01] mhall119: :) [14:01] also,welcome everybody to the last day of UOS! [14:02] hello [14:03] greetings [14:03] hi andrewlsd [14:04] hello everyone [14:04] hello devs [14:04] hello === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [14:04] troll_dood: are u a dev? [14:05] ello [14:06] going live now [14:06] we can see you [14:07] hi all, iz late? [14:07] QUESTION:What is Convergence? [14:08] Ask questions here, starting with QUESTION in all caps [14:08] just like Dragos did :) [14:08] xD [14:09] phesktop [14:09] phone+desktop [14:09] QUESTION: why does it takes so long for qml apps to load on Ubuntu Phone, even the core apps like the dialer? [14:10] QUESTION:Is ubuntu phone 13.04 still usable? [14:11] QUESTION: there are a bunch of restrictions on phone apps which make quite a lot less sense on desktop (obvious one: background processes, but also lack of access to files, etc). Is there a plan to relax confinement on desktop-class devices, or will my desktop computer be restricted like it's a battery-poor phone once we have One Ubuntu across all devices? [14:12] QUESTION: a phone app has her name in header. When running in desktop, it also has name in window title. Will that duplicate stay in final Unity8 ? [14:12] is ubuntu phone unity8 support desktop mode? [14:12] thanks [14:13] Dragos: you forgot QUESTION [14:14] QUESTION: is the capability for convergence (driving an external screen) going to be a required capability for future phones released with partners? Or might there still be phones which can't do it, like the existing Ubuntu phones can't? [14:14] yes [14:14] QUESTION: Is Unity the only desktop environment that is being developed with convergence in mind? Will we see LXDE, XFCE, GNOME etc with convergence capabilities? [14:14] touch preview [14:14] QUESTION: will the next new Ubuntu phones will all be able to converge? and what will happen to the current bq and meizu sold? will be able to converge? [14:15] super_potatoe, the existing bq 4.5 and 5 and meizu mx-4 can't do convergence, sadly; that's a hardware thing. [14:16] mhall119: ubuntu touch preview 13.04 [14:16] QUESTION: will I be able to use my Meizu MX4 with an external display in the future? (With bluetooth keyboard) [14:17] QUESTION:will you continue making *-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip ubuntu phone ? [14:18] QUESTION: what happened to the tablet mode? we haven't see any news for a long time [14:18] QUESTION are there plans to allow external screens to connect over wifi so we don't need slimports [14:18] justCarakas, I'd really like that. Miracast or similar support would be great. Good question! [14:19] * means something [14:20] QUESTION:will there will be kde or lxde or xfce for ubuntu phone? [14:20] hi [14:22] QUESTION:what happened to ubuntu for android? [14:22] QUESTION: what are the minimum hardware requirements for Ubuntu Personal? for ex what GPU and drivers [14:22] QUESTION: Will my unity8 laptop/desktop ever talk to my unity8 phone? so that when i get a notification on my phone it appears on my laptop (aka the same as what iOS/OS X currently does) and is there any timeline for this? [14:23] QUESTION: will I be able to write SMS and make phone calls from a computer in the same LAN as the phone? [14:23] Do you guys ever look to Wayland to help solve Mir issues? [14:23] QUESTION: I bought Meizu Mx4... it's possible that this phone 'll be never convergence???? [14:24] sorry, my chatt application bugged [14:24] ohh, the hole message is there, but I could not see it [14:25] good question, zzarr. I'd like to see better communication between an Ubuntu phone and an Ubuntu desktop, when they're not the same device. [14:26] mhall119: ubuntu phone preinstalled armhf for phablet [14:27] Dragos: are you referring to a disk image? [14:27] QUESTION: Ubuntu for phones does not have background apps, but the desktop has. When we plug the phone to a monitor we will get "background-apps" running? [14:28] QUESTION : is there a cpu arch preference for convergence ? ARM ou x86 ? [14:28] andrewlsd: yes [14:29] QUESTION why not allow multi user mode on the phone that you can use for example to let your kids play on your phone [14:29] Ubuntu for Ubuntu :D [14:29] QUESTION: Do you guys work together with KDE Plasma Mobile developers? Also, doesn't Plamsa Mobile run on top of Ubuntu Touch? [14:30] QUESTION:if i connect an ubuntu phone to a monitor will unity transform to desktop unity [14:32] QUESTION: speaking of integration between desktop & phone. Will general sync (contacts, Pictures, maybe music/videos) show up on the roadmap? [14:39] mzanetti-, no server in the middle? [14:39] any other questions, keep them coming in [14:40] ok [14:40] kyrofa, didn't even think about details, but *somehow* would be nice already :) [14:40] mzanetti-, easy to do via owncloud [14:40] kyrofa, not easy, no [14:40] mzanetti-, but it might be nice to do it without a server [14:40] mzanetti-, just on the same LAN or something [14:41] QUESTION : about data sync, what is the status of U1DB ? [14:42] mhall119: im romanian [14:43] QUESTION:Can i still get ubuntu for android? [14:43] QUESTION: how will legacy applications be implemented on a phone? [14:44] im using an custom android image [14:45] QUESTION if I buy a slimport now for my nexus 4 will I be able to use it on the new convergent device ? [14:45] QUESTION:Did you know that im romanian? [14:45] QUESTION: Is the goal for a default Unity 8 still set for Ubuntu 16.10? [14:45] Dragos: I know now :) [14:46] QUESTION:Did u know that there is an app for ubuntu that lets you install mac os x apps on ubuntu? [14:46] QUESTION: We will get a ISO of daily builds for unity 8 like we have today for the 16.04 with unity7? [14:47] thanks for your answer [14:47] QUESTION: If i had a desktop only application packaged as a click/snap is there a way, or a plan, to allow me to only make that launchable when running in a converged or desktop view. Or must all apps submitted to the store scale from mobile through to TV ? [14:47] QUESTION:How to install ubuntu tv? [14:48] QUESTION: are there any focus on USB C/Thunderbolt 3? [14:49] Awesome, thank you guys for the great answers! [14:49] there is [14:49] its called darling [14:49] lol check with us in 6months. unity8 is always "the release after the current dev" [14:50] Dragos, link? [14:50] Dragos, check the https://www.darlinghq.org/ page [14:50] i know the linl [14:50] *link [14:51] mzanetti-: https://www.darlinghq.org/ but you will need to compile it urself [14:51] #QUESTION: Do you plan to support OpenMobile ACL for Android apps on Ubuntu Phone? That would awesome http://www.openmobileww.com/#!acl-for-ubuntu/c1sz2 [14:52] it was fun [14:52] * It's already working for Firefox OS and Tizen [14:53] thanks everyone, it have been a blast :D [14:53] QUESTION what is your number 1 wanted feature [14:53] zzarr: dev? [14:53] Dragos, what do you mean? [14:54] are u a dev zzarr [14:54] Dragos, I'm a developer, but I'm not working for Canonical [14:54] ok [14:55] it was fun [14:55] :) [14:55] it was :) [14:55] xD [14:55] oSoMoN: are you setting up the hangout for the next session? [14:55] thanks guys :-) [14:55] QUESTION - Does Ubuntu convergence will drain battery more than expected?? [14:55] mhall119: it was fun :) [14:55] mhall119, can you set it up? not very familiar with doing that === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | App Convergence | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22630/app-convergence/ [14:56] oSoMoN: have you created on-air hangouts before? [14:56] I'm working on a device that handles a number of sensors (a sort of universal sensor platform) [14:56] nope [14:56] ok, I'll set it up then :) [14:56] thanks [14:56] chating with devw [14:56] chating with devs [14:56] I’m sure it’s not that hard, but I don’t want to delay the session just because I can’t find how to do it… [14:56] QUESTION - Does Ubuntu convergence will drain battery more than expected?? [14:57] Shankey, anything that drains the battery more than expected is a bug [14:58] QUESTION: how can i join canonical? [14:58] Dragos, http://www.canonical.com/careers [14:58] Dragos: were you watching Jane's Q&A yesterday where she talked about that? [14:58] If you want to make a difference, make the move to Canonical [14:58] but how long ubuntu phones will hold the battery power while in convergence mode?? Any idea?? [14:58] i was gone [14:59] mhall119, is the hangout ready? [14:59] oSoMoN: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfUUP7ctxyAqFWgSueYg2eaafj8DGxl2zXoY32Z7qcP-XV_JA?hl=en&authuser=0 [14:59] trying to get Kaleo in here [15:00] Kaleo: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfUUP7ctxyAqFWgSueYg2eaafj8DGxl2zXoY32Z7qcP-XV_JA?hl=en&authuser=0 [15:00] can i install ubuntu phone on iphone? [15:00] Dragos: no [15:00] oh [15:01] can someone give me the link for next session? [15:01] Dragos: if you want to do fun things like that, iphone is the wrong device for you :) [15:01] Dragos: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22630/app-convergence/ [15:01] ok [15:01] thanks [15:02] hey guys what if i have to watch movie during convergence then how long ubuntu phone would hold battery power any idea about that??? i mean will it have the aqequate battery backup? [15:02] see ya in next session [15:02] bye [15:03] hi [15:03] hi everyone :) [15:03] o/ :) [15:04] hi all! [15:04] QUESTION:youtube app for ubuntu phone? [15:04] Dragos, there is one in the store [15:04] really? [15:05] Dragos, https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.popey.youtube [15:05] \o/ [15:06] video lag [15:07] QUESTION: how will the app security model from phones influence desktop apps in convergence? [15:07] Hi all [15:07] QESTION:terminal app for ubuntu touch preview? [15:08] preview? i don't think we've called it a preview in at least 2 years :) [15:08] xD [15:09] google hangouts doesn't like sharing some windows [15:09] yeah, what Kaleo said, you'll have to share whole desktop [15:09] oSoMoN: I think touch apps don't show up in hangouts, you can share the whole screen [15:09] oSoMoN, afaik it has troubles with qtquick2 [15:10] yes we can see it [15:10] yep [15:10] is the video still playing? my desktop froze :( [15:10] mhall119, yep [15:11] oSoMoN - We might have lost your video feed? (or maybe it's just us at the office?) [15:11] It's back [15:11] fine here [15:11] fine here [15:11] all good here [15:12] any questions for oSoMoN, go ahead and ask them in here [15:12] yes [15:12] all good [15:12] was gone for a bit [15:12] Yeah I haven't lost it [15:13] QUESTION: The framerate of the video isn't great. Are the responsive changes animated in any way? [15:14] kyrofa: hangouts use a lot of compression, it's likely just that [15:14] kyrofa, no animations on these yet [15:14] Kaleo, obviously not incredibly important, but your "yet" implies that may be coming? Would be slick indeed [15:15] kyrofa, neat possibility, no idea if there will be time to do that soon.. [15:16] ildorn, will get to your question after the demos [15:16] bye [15:17] oSoMoN: drag down first, then drag sideways to the folders. will be fixed with next release of SDK [15:17] Kaleo, actually wait. For some reason I'm putting this in the same category as a responsive web design, where the web page is obviously meant to be resized during regular usage. However, are these designs simply to work on different form factors (i.e. devices)? In other words, when running in desktop mode (like it's running now) will it still change? [15:17] QUESTION: how touch-friendly is the wide-mode of the browser? [15:18] Or is it more meant so that the same code will run on a phone and the desktop? [15:18] In which case the transition between modes may not ever been seen [15:21] nice!, thanks! I was mostly concerned about the top-tabs being too small [15:21] mzanetti-, good question [15:22] Kaleo: having trouble with the hangout? [15:23] mhall119, with my internet actually [15:23] mhall119, also I'm trying a much lower res to have a higher framerate [15:23] you can turn off your video feed, that sometimes helps [15:24] mhall119, yeah, no it's back to normal :) [15:25] r7b [15:26] oSoMoN: developer.ubuntu.com is nice and responsive now :) [15:26] Slashdot doesn't have a responsive design. You need to go to m.slashdot [15:34] oSoMoN, the browser is shaping up very nicely! [15:34] kenvandine, slowly, but surely :) [15:34] kenvandine: it's my daily driver :) [15:34] if only gtalk plugin worked, I wouldn't have to use Chrome for UOS [15:36] mhall119, yeah I have to use chrome as well, but it's to _watch_ the video. If I'm in the HO I can use firefox, haha [15:37] i've been using webbrowser-app to watch all the UOS sessions this week [15:37] kyrofa: yeah, html5 videos should work, but I think the live stream needs flash [15:37] It seems so. Unfortunate. I'll install it after :P [15:37] i'm watching the live stream right now with it [15:37] uninstall [15:37] ok, maybe I'm wrong [15:38] kenvandine, do you have flash though? [15:38] dunno :) [15:38] no flash on ubuntu webbrowser [15:38] Heh [15:38] i just installed webbrowser-app from the stable overlay ppa :) [15:38] no flash yet, but Chris is working on enabling it in oxide, and he’s pretty far along [15:38] so the same version we have on the phone [15:38] oSoMoN, the fewer browsers that support it the faster it will die, I say [15:38] oSoMoN: really? how is he doing that, using pepperflash or adobe's? [15:39] pepper [15:39] cool [15:39] i'd rather not have flash :) [15:39] yeah, me neither, but it’s still big for a few use cases [15:41] QUESTION: if I right click on an item, will it show both "positive" and "negative" actions [15:42] by that I mean leading and trailing [15:42] boiko, wanna talk about the work that has been done on phone/messaging apps? [15:43] it was called Flashback I believe [15:43] ah yeah, flashback [15:43] oSoMoN: well, messaging-app is halfway done only, need to use the bottom edge component from Kaleo [15:43] boiko: haha, hopefully "from Kaleo" is equivalent "from SDK" ^_^ [15:44] we've had a bunch of components everybody used in their apps, yet they were not in the SDK for long :) [15:45] karni: yep, it is :) [15:45] Kaleo: ah, thank you [15:48] https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Components.AdaptivePageLayout/ [15:49] https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Layouts.ConditionalLayout/ [15:49] https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Components.Units/ [15:51] thanks [15:51] thank you guys [15:51] thanks [15:51] great session [15:52] thanks all! === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | Designing Convergent Apps | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22632/designing-convergent-apps/ [16:23] (not question) As a developer, I would prefer to have control of how many action items are collapsed (occasionally, I would like to collapse all, I won't get into reasons here). but I take this will only be possible with upcoming header implementation and some custom code, as this is not recommended behavior. === hikiko-lpt is now known as hikiko [16:36] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/view/head:/src/Ubuntu/Components/1.3/Page.qml#L84 [16:37] karni: ^ [16:37] Thank you guys, lovely :) [16:37] * karni high-fives [16:38] o/ [16:38] Thank you [16:39] I'll stick around here in channel until 17:00 if anyone else has anything they'd like to ask [16:40] QUESTION : a phone app has her name in header. When using it in desktop, her name is also in window title. Will that duplicate stay in final unity8 ? [16:41] QUESTION : so, do we still have to put app name in header ? [16:41] QUESTION: How does your approach differs from windows continuum? Do you also use a hub or just an HDMI and OTG? [16:42] michelr - Duplicates would/should be avoided in those cases, so the title in the header area would not be shown if it is also present in the window title (decorations). The title space could then be used to communicate something else (the subject line of an email, for e.g.) or just contain only actions. [16:45] naskoos [16:45] naskoos - Well, contimuum will offer a "t’s a PC-like experience that’s powered by your phone." Where as Pocket PC will be an actual PC in your pocket that you can use in both ways :-) [16:45] :) [16:47] naskoos - so if a device has a big enough screen to use in windowed mode comfortably a user can do so, connecting a small screened device to a large display+KB+Mouse would allow and actual PC experience, not something approaching one [16:47] *an actual PC experience [16:49] QUESTION: Will the current ubuntu phone devices (like meizu mx4) support the convergence feature, or better/special hardware is needed? [16:51] naskoos: I believe none of hardware released with Ubuntu will support this. It can be run with a Nexus 4, for instance, with an MHL to HDMI connector. [16:51] haha I got that wrong [16:51] none released support it. [16:51] certainly *new* Ubuntu hardware will support it, hopefully soon :) [16:52] I'm afraid current MX and BQ devices however, won't :( [16:52] naskoos - Sorry. Yes I believe Karni is correct [16:54] QUESTION: When I'll use an external monitor (with keyboard and mouse) would it be possible to use other desktop managers like LXDE or XFCE? [16:55] oops... [16:55] it seems my connection dropped === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/convergence/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/05/%23ubuntu-uos-convergence.html [16:56] naskoos: did you get my reply about continuum? [16:57] naskoos - I'm afraid I'm not certain. I'll see if I can chase up an answer for you. [16:57] Thanks for tuning in all! [16:58] I have received an answer about continuum but not from you! [17:03] naskoos: currently connect a bluetooth mouse and keyboard is all you need to switch to the windowed Unity8 experience [17:03] connecting* [17:03] actually just the mouse is enough [17:03] additionally, you can connect an external monitor (via SlimPort/MHL, etc..) [17:04] naskoos: ^ [17:04] naskoos: if you have a Nexus4 or Nexus7, you can already try the convergent experience! :) (BQ E4.5 and Meizu MX4 [17:04] unfortunately don't have MHL/slimport support) [17:04] there you go :) [17:05] Thank you faenil_! === balloons is now known as Guest9062 [17:17] naskoos: no worries :) [17:30] mhall119: so to create my session I start a hangouts on air then copy the youtube link into the "edit hangouts details" -> broadcast URL [17:41] d_ed: yup, that's it [17:41] ping me if you need any help with it [17:41] thanks === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-convergence to: Track: Convergence | Plasma Mobile - A Brief Summary | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22635/plasma-mobile-a-brief-summary/ [18:00] Hello. [18:00] hey all [18:00] I'll start the Plasma Mobile session in a minute or two, just let everyone get back from lunch [18:02] are people here? [18:03] yes [18:03] d_ed: yes. [18:03] d_ed: got it all setup? [18:04] I thought so... [18:04] but the webpage says "please stand by" [18:04] d_ed: you're live now, video is working [18:04] d_ed: I see you. [18:04] d_ed: there's a delay in the live stream of up to a minute or so [18:04] yes [18:04] d_ed: yes [18:04] I can see you [18:04] we can hear you, too :) [18:05] and hear you [18:05] again? === faenil_ is now known as faenil === Guest9062 is now known as balloons [18:12] heeey Marco [18:12] I hear Daid talking but see Marco talking [18:12] what's happening? [18:13] notmart__: try turning on some lights in your room, might be less contrasty on the webcam [18:16] the video is crazy in youtube. [18:17] olaftheviking: i tried before, this way the screen of the phone was *sligtly* more visible [18:17] even if still meh :) [18:19] Can vs. Will [18:20] This is getting more and more ridiculous. Another mobile OS? [18:21] not exactly [18:21] Mike101: it's good. Their contributions will help many upstreams. [18:21] just the Userspace [18:21] I know, I know. [18:22] I am just sad that why the linux community just doesnt try to make one thing, and perfect it altogether... [18:22] video david was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auuQA0Q8qpM [18:23] or is going to talk about, depending on lag... [18:23] :D [18:23] the youtube stream is broken, audio and video are not synced [18:23] right :) [18:23] Mike101: same reason why gtk, qt, e17 exists... [18:23] d_ed: who takes care of devices support? [18:24] olaftheviking: that is? [18:24] Mike101: freedom [18:24] Mike101: one thinks the other one is doing it wrong [18:25] or both are right, but different. [18:25] I know, I want Linux to replace everything else but the thing is that it's not gonna is it? Instead of one thing to replace closed source software, we are just making more and more forks of open source software. [18:26] d_ed: what's libhybris? [18:26] Did he say when he thinks this will be usable? [18:26] it is usable [18:26] by developers [18:26] haha [18:26] By people? [18:26] yeah [18:26] who's people? [18:26] go where? [18:27] Orfinary people. [18:27] ;) [18:27] Like my mother. [18:27] d_ed: how can we get involved? [18:28] #plasma, forums.kde.org and plasma-devel@kde.org [18:29] 12 months sounds quite quick... [18:29] and Ubuntu Phone's main feature is still not here after how many years? [18:30] which is the main feature? [18:30] Convergence?? [18:30] ah that [18:30] Yep [18:30] That thing... [18:30] * olaftheviking is not ubuntu phone user [18:30] I know but it takes time to make things like that [18:31] and KDE mobile can't just be built after 12 months [18:31] but maybe KDE has a better starting position [18:31] It's way to steep a margin. [18:31] you know, cause there is a working system already [18:31] unlike unity8 [18:32] I mean, unity8 is still not out yet, is it? [18:32] No, but they have a working system. [18:32] so they have to do lots of from scratch [18:32] Like KDE Mobile. [18:32] To be honest, I prefer KDE Mobile but [18:32] on the other hand, that gives you a clean base with no legacy history. It's a trade-of [18:33] true words [18:33] The ideas behind multi-platform app support [18:33] olaftheviking: Ubuntu phones on the market run Unity 8. Yes, it's out. [18:33] karni: but not on desktop [18:33] But I just disafree with the margin [18:33] karni: Mike101 asked about convergence and how can KDE deliver in 12 months if ubuntu still hasn't [18:33] ...the convergence, that is [18:33] No [18:33] Not the convergence [18:33] The platform [18:34] right [18:34] tho convergence is part of the platform [18:34] Wait [18:34] I think what you are doing with plasma is great. Thanks for the presentation d_ed. [18:34] thanks [18:34] olaftheviking: I see [18:34] I just read the part about there being a working model? [18:34] d_ed: well done [18:34] Mike101: yes [18:34] for us the shell was pretty much years of preparation, it was seen mostly on the desktop but the design was in this direction from the start [18:35] Riight [18:35] I thought you were just starting now ;) [18:35] but yeah, for us the hardest problem was mostly on the platform and hardware integration bits, that were solved by ubuntu [18:35] Approx 12 months to make everything relatively okay? [18:35] it depends on so many factors that it's not really worth saying [18:35] Who's notmart_ [18:36] IF enough people work on it, then maybe [18:36] notmart__ is marco [18:36] the other guy in the video [18:36] Marco? [18:36] Riight [18:36] me and d_ed mantain plasma, both on the desktop and on the phone [18:36] together other people [18:36] Well, have you considered porting it for devices after you are done? [18:37] Just out of curiousity. [18:37] we all got Nexus 5's for consistency [18:37] and someone has already put in on a 1+ [18:37] and there are couple other models where it works [18:37]