| santa_ | sgclark: I hope so | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| sgclark | excellent :) I can hold off on the new stuff | 00:00 |
| yofel | FYI: I'm on a trip until sunday, so don't expect me to reply as I won't be checking IRC | 00:14 |
| yofel | nini | 00:14 |
| sgclark | yofel: ok have a great trip! | 00:16 |
| santa_ | +1 | 00:17 |
| santa_ | pushed the add/remove ppa suffix scripts, so it should be ready for a first test run now | 00:17 |
| sgclark | ok, still fixing CI builds. Should be ready to test tomorrow morning. | 00:20 |
| santa_ | sgclark: please give me a ping before proceeding so I can assist you with doubts or bugs in the scriptery ;) | 00:25 |
| sgclark | santa_: will do :) thanks for doing this! | 00:26 |
| santa_ | yw, since its the first time we would be using this I would like to keep an eye on how you use it :) | 00:26 |
| soee_ | good morning | 07:03 |
| soee_ | some good news: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/new-usb-startup-creator-is-being-made-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-495794.shtml | 07:04 |
| sgclark | oh bloody hell it is 2400 for me. Vacation! Or some such. Jens neeeds to be involed.... Hense Sweden! | 07:39 |
| soee_ | hiho sgclark | 07:46 |
| sgclark | hey | 07:48 |
| soee_ | sgclark: i had not time yet to watch last podcast, how is teh situation with the build server. Rick mentioned DO could sponsor it ? | 07:49 |
| sgclark | way late. must sleep.. | 07:50 |
| soee_ | ok, have a good night | 07:50 |
| sgclark | I can try. Suceeed? dunno | 07:51 |
| sgclark | I need a job sorry | 07:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | sitter: I've installed powerline and started it | 08:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | but it's ugly as hell | 08:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | why does it not look like in the pictures? | 08:47 |
| sitter | wrong font? rtfm? :P | 08:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm RTFMing | 08:50 |
| sitter | use the right font then :P | 08:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | I don't think it's the font | 08:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | I think it's the theme | 08:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | and I can't figure out how to change it | 08:50 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:52 |
| sitter | I am not sure how I can help | 08:53 |
| sitter | lordievader: good morning | 08:53 |
| lordievader | Hey sitter | 08:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | sitter: do you have a custom config for it? | 08:56 |
| sitter | I have an ohmyzsh with a .zshrc that configures it to use the bullet-train theme | 08:57 |
| ovidiu-florin | where did you get that theme from | 08:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | ? | 08:58 |
| sitter | comes bundled I think | 08:59 |
| ovidiu-florin | sitter: https://github.com/caiogondim/bullet-train-oh-my-zsh-theme ? | 09:00 |
| sitter | yeah | 09:00 |
| lordievader | zsh :D | 09:06 |
| * ovidiu-florin is trying out zsh | 09:44 | |
| allee | Is there a known workaround with -dbg pkgs not found (libqxcb) or partialy missing (libglib, libQt5Core, libQt5Quick ...) in crash report asistant. krunner crash but no dbg for lib{qxcb. SomeQt5core | 09:57 |
| sitter | fixing the lookup algorithm is the workaround | 10:03 |
| allee | :-) So no bug report :-( I even ponder if it makes sense at all to report 2 monitor related bugs, given that we use qt 5.4 and not 5.5 | 10:07 |
| allee | sitter: but wait, this why libqxcb.so symbols are not found, but why are some in symbols in e.g. libQt5 resolved and other not. | 10:10 |
| sitter | I do not know | 10:10 |
| allee | *this explains | 10:10 |
| allee | k | 10:10 |
| Blizzz | is it expected that akonadictl consumes cpu constantly? just put an issue upstream https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354937 | 10:12 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 354937 in server "constantly high cpu consumption by akonadiserver" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:12 |
| allee | Blizz: add process list which akonadi proc. E.g. konsole as wide as possible. Start top, quit and c&p the process that consume to much CPU | 10:15 |
| allee | ^ s/top/htop/ | 10:15 |
| allee | Blizzz: check ~/.xsession-error is akonadi resource constantly log something | 10:16 |
| allee | I've no akonadi cpu problems currently but does akonadictl stop and restarting help in your case? | 10:17 |
| Blizzz | allee: i added a screenshot of htop | 10:19 |
| Blizzz | allee: yes, akonadi writes to .xsession-errors | 10:20 |
| Blizzz | i'll add to the bug report | 10:20 |
| allee | Blizzz: is your qt5.5 self compiled? Or which deb repo? | 10:21 |
| Blizzz | allee: from http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/backup-qt551/ubuntu/ | 10:21 |
| Blizzz | https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/backup-qt551 | 10:22 |
| Blizzz | i have seen this in 5.4 as well, but did not investigate… went to 5.5 because of issues with multiple monitors | 10:22 |
| allee | Blizzz: you read my mind ;-) I was pondering about 5.5 because of (minor but anoying) mult. monitor problems too. Did it fix some mult monitor | 10:23 |
| allee | for you? | 10:24 |
| Blizzz | allee: at office, i connect via VGA to an external one. With 5.5.1 it does it smoothly. Without, i needed to restart plasmashell manually after plugging in, and it crashed when unplugging. this is all good now. | 10:25 |
| Blizzz | in the .xsession-errors you see, it's always the same two items 149472 and 112251 that are mentioned | 10:25 |
| allee | Blizzz: much luck! KDEPIM is unfortunatly hopelessly understaffed. | 10:31 |
| allee | I would try adonadictl and try to find the item. Maybe the content show you why they are special. But for most of my akonadi problem I had to give up :-( | 10:32 |
| vip | anybody heard about resolution of bug about logging in lag? | 10:32 |
| Blizzz | allee: yes… and it took ages until the Qt4/KDE4 version became usable. I took me three attempts to go back to it, until it was good enough for professional use. Okay, thanks so far! | 10:33 |
| allee | vip: no news about akondi delay on login. :-( | 10:33 |
| vip | allee: i've heard it is more networkmanager/bluetooth bug | 10:34 |
| vip | allee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1509334 | 10:34 |
| allee | vip: ah yes, these are two differ beast. Here it was akonadi | 10:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1509334 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu Wily) "[sru] plasma-nm blocks temporarily on startup w/o bluetooth device – KDE/Plasma very slow to launch (Kubuntu 15.10)" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 10:34 |
| vip | found it | 10:34 |
| soee_ | vip i think it is not released yet for wily | 10:35 |
| soee_ | vip: ut you can download and install package with fix: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/wily/+packages | 10:36 |
| Blizzz | another thing: in my KDE menu there are several applications without Icon, like Dolphin or Firefox. Known? | 10:36 |
| allee | Blizzz: yes. | 10:36 |
| allee | Path changed between kde 4 and 5 version of apps :-( | 10:37 |
| vip | soee_: thanks, both nm and akonadi bugs are patched? | 10:37 |
| soee_ | nm only | 10:37 |
| allee | Blizzz: btw. how long does login take for you? Here ~ 30s with ln -s /bin/true /usr/local/bin/akonadiserver ~ 4 sec. | 10:47 |
| vip | allee: btw, how do you then start akonadi after login? | 10:50 |
| allee | vip: that just to measure and prove delay is akonadis fault. (like remove plasma-nm to prove delay is caused by the app) | 10:52 |
| vip | ah, ok | 10:52 |
| jmux | Riddell: so do we have a LibreOffice KDE5 meeting on Monday? When and where? | 11:12 |
| Riddell | jmux: yes, 14:00CET in #libreoffice-something | 11:13 |
| Riddell | jmux: -design? | 11:13 |
| jmux | Riddell: #libreoffice-design is fine. I'll block one hour | 11:15 |
| jmux | Riddell: Or do you expect we need longer? | 11:15 |
| Riddell | jmux: nah an hour is fine | 11:15 |
| Blizzz | allee: login does not take long, definitely not half a minue | 11:23 |
| Blizzz | 4 sec, if at all. I have session restore disabled | 11:23 |
| allee | Blizzz: thx for the info. Interesting. How may akonadi related proc. have you running? ps x | grep akonad[i] | wc -l (here 25 proc) | 11:26 |
| Blizzz | allee: 21 | 11:29 |
| Blizzz | with 3 email, one carddav and one caldav account | 11:30 |
| allee | hmm, so what the hell is different for soee_ and me that akondi uses so much time. Grr.. | 11:30 |
| Blizzz | allee: maybe not using disconnect imap? | 11:56 |
| clivejo | allee: have you the plasma-nm patch? | 11:57 |
| clivejo | before the patch was applied plasma-nm was delaying login by 30 seconds | 12:00 |
| clivejo | allee: what version have you installed "dpkg -s plasma-nm" | 12:01 |
| clivejo | and what version of Kubuntu? | 12:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | sitter: please help me | 12:07 |
| sitter | 42 | 12:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've looked throught he manual and cannot fix it | 12:07 |
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| ovidiu-florin | sitter: http://imgur.com/qgTarmB | 12:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | compared to this image: https://github.com/caiogondim/bullet-train-oh-my-zsh-theme | 12:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have zsh installed and set as defaul | 12:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | and set it's theme to ^^ | 12:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | like it sais in it's readme | 12:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | but no powerline | 12:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | why doesn't the theme look the same? | 12:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have the fonts installed in ~/.fonts | 12:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | and I've installed ttf-ancient-fonts | 12:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | and rebooted | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:11 |
| sitter | ovidiu-florin: you have to set the font as your konsole font | 12:12 |
| sitter | what you are seeing is exactly what happens when it's not useing a powerlined font | 12:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | fixed | 12:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | thanks | 12:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | sitter: do you use powerline with python 2 or 3? | 12:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | because I've installed and use it with python 3 | 12:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | and the vim we ship does not support python3 | 12:50 |
| allee | clivejo: ii plasma-nm 4:5.4.2-0ubuntu1 | 12:53 |
| allee | clivejo: but I was not affected by plasma-nm delay (mac air with bt). Replacing akonadi with /bin/true I could login in 4-5 sec | 12:54 |
| allee | clivejo,soee_: I've found out that with akonadictl stop, then logout, the login need ~ 7 sec. Without akonadictl stop before logout it's 30 sec. See #akonadi. thx to Blizzz for the inspiration to try this :-) | 12:58 |
| soee_ | allee: ood to know, thanks ! :) | 13:00 |
| soee_ | *good | 13:00 |
| allee | clivejo: ah, forgot: I'm using wily | 13:01 |
| Blizzz | wow, strange. sounds like it's not stopping by itself probably on logout/shutdown | 13:02 |
| allee | Blizzz: akonadi not running after logout. but something goes wrong how it's stopped. See proc list: https://paste.kde.org/ptfptwcvo | 13:04 |
| * allee wonders why every logout gives an additional kuiserver5 process that runs until shutdown | 13:05 | |
| Blizzz | more is better? | 13:05 |
| * allee notes: only sometimes konsole is not resotored | 13:06 | |
| allee | Blizzz: lol. Wenn ich einmal reich waere,didel... | 13:06 |
| Blizzz | meanwhile i wonder where the debug symbols for akonadi_davgroupware_resource are. they should be in kdepim-runtime-dbg, but apparently are missing. | 13:08 |
| Blizzz | once upon a time it was possible to open a bug in launchpad, no? | 13:09 |
| allee | Blizzz: me too. I've asked the same today. response: [11:03:47] <sitter> fixing the lookup algorithm is the workaround | 13:10 |
| allee | but this does not explain why sometimes some symbols are resolved and other missing :-( | 13:10 |
| Blizzz | yeah… | 13:11 |
| Blizzz | how to do this anyway? | 13:11 |
| allee | Usually I checked which pkg a lib was in (dpkg -S /path/to/lib) and added -dbg to pkg name and installed it. But this didn't work today for the first time. | 13:12 |
| allee | with the some symbols resolved some not. I'm totally glueless. Must be a bug during -dbg generation IMHO. | 13:13 |
| Blizzz | ok | 13:16 |
| Blizzz | i fought launchpad and filed this now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim-runtime/+bug/1513830 | 13:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1513830 in kdepim-runtime (Ubuntu) "debug symbols for akonadi_davgroupware_resource missing" [Undecided,New] | 13:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | sitter: I can't find how to set powerline to use bullet-train. Please advise | 13:43 |
| sitter | that sentence makes no sense | 13:44 |
| sitter | bullet-train is an implementation of the powerline style | 13:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | oh | 13:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | I thought bullet-train is a theme for zsh | 13:44 |
| sitter | which implements the powerline style | 13:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | ah | 13:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | <sitter> I have an ohmyzsh with a .zshrc that configures it to use the bullet-train theme | 13:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | where does powerline come in this scenario? | 13:47 |
| soee_ | http://www.mattermost.org/ | 14:04 |
| soee_ | inegrates with http://www.mattermost.org/community-applications/ | 14:05 |
| shadeslayer | where did we keep our packaging in bzr? | 14:58 |
| shadeslayer | ah nvm | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | packagers, not packaging is the team | 15:00 |
| clivejo | what you looking for shadeslayer | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | clivejo: nothing in particular | 15:00 |
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| pursuivant | muon (master) v5.4.2-173-gc56fba8 * Aleix Pol: muon (20 files in 6 dirs) | 15:34 |
| pursuivant | Preparation for the split | 15:34 |
| pursuivant | Move the required classes within libMuonApt into muon | 15:34 |
| pursuivant | http://commits.kde.org/muon/c56fba86f6850effca3c146f75e66b0154ad5994 | 15:34 |
| pursuivant | muon (master) v5.4.2-174-g60e429d * Aleix Pol: (16 files in 5 dirs) | 15:34 |
| pursuivant | Move libmuonapt within the ApplicationsBackend | 15:34 |
| pursuivant | http://commits.kde.org/muon/60e429d4e6d3b5a04a2a35fbd371b33a9bb053f0 | 15:34 |
| jmux | Riddell: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2015/11/Munich | 16:35 |
| jmux | shadeslayer, yofel, everybody else: ^^^ | 16:37 |
| nluxton | Hi - I can't set the window manager in Kubuntu 15.10 - I have a set_window_manager.sh in the plasma-workspace/env/ dir but it doesn't set KDEWM - however, if I chang 'startkde' like the following: https://paste.kde.org/p2hzjumog -- then it starts working. | 16:50 |
| nluxton | Anyone got any idea what might be happening to cause this to go wrong in the 'vanilla' case? | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | well, you've just removed the exception handling there | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | I would recommend asking in #kde | 16:56 |
| nluxton | I tried that to no avail - I'll try again next week | 16:56 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 16:56 |
| shadeslayer | yeah :) | 16:57 |
| nluxton | :) | 16:57 |
| shadeslayer | I'm not sure honesty :) | 16:57 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: perhaps you can set +x on startkde and check .xsession-errors | 16:57 |
| shadeslayer | to see why your script doesn't work | 16:57 |
| nluxton | I ran it interactively in order to figure it out thus far | 16:57 |
| nluxton | I mean, my script seems fine ... it's just export KDEWM=/usr/bin/xmonad | 16:58 |
| nluxton | It was working fine until I upgraded to 15.10 today | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: maybe check what running (test -r "$file" && . "$file") || : gives you | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: perhaps it's too late in the startup sequence and kwin has already taken over | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | I also recall there being a option somewhere to set your custom wm | 16:59 |
| nluxton | Well, it works without the || : bit | 16:59 |
| nluxton | Just like it used to | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: yeah but run that in your shell | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | with the || | 17:00 |
| nluxton | And it seems like kwin gets set as the default later on if it's blank | 17:00 |
| nluxton | Yeah it works fine in the shell | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: ok, maybe make your file touch a script somewhere | 17:00 |
| nluxton | Unless I use the || : bit - and then everything works fine, except that KDEWM stays blank | 17:00 |
| nluxton | Good shout | 17:00 |
| nluxton | Make sure it's actually sourced | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | correct | 17:00 |
| nluxton | Yep | 17:02 |
| nluxton | Definitely running | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: that's with the ||: ? | 17:02 |
| nluxton | Yep | 17:02 |
| nluxton | I just reset startkde to vanilla (and set the 'is kde running?' check to 1 so that it tries everything anyway lol) | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | ok, well, try dumping the env into a file before and after the import | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | er, export | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | I mean | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | from your script | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | perhaps even a pidof kwin_x11 | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | that way we'll know if kwin_x11 gets started before KDEWM gets set | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | then that'd be the problem | 17:03 |
| nluxton | Well I echod it to the screen before, before and after, and again when it checks if KDEWM is blank later on in the startkde script, and they were all blank | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | oh, then isn't that the issue? | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: you could also try putting it in /etc/environment | 17:04 |
| nluxton | Yeah - I'm attempting to understand why that's happening | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | I mean, it /should/ work there | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | and when debugging bash scripts, +x is your friend ;) | 17:05 |
| nluxton | Because it's a change in behaviour since 15.04 ... why should a simple source op stop working? | 17:05 |
| nluxton | >.< | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | so you probably want to do that in startkde | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: well, maybe startkde changed | 17:05 |
| nluxton | Yeah that was my next step is to start figuring it all out myself - and then potentially raising bug reports etc - I just hoped I might short-circuit that ;) | 17:06 |
| nluxton | Someone could say "It's because || : doesn't work in dash" or something like that haha | 17:06 |
| nluxton | What is the " || :" construct anyway? | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | not sure | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | well | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | : is true | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | so as I understand it, it's exception handling | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | if (test -r "$file" && . "$file") evaluates to false, OR it with true? | 17:09 |
| nluxton | Yeah it seems like a way of ignoring failures | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | yeah I guess | 17:09 |
| nluxton | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16357755/meaning-of-colon-in-bash-after-a-double-pipe | 17:09 |
| nluxton | Rather than having the whole script fail | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | indeed | 17:09 |
| nluxton | The weird thing is, if I remove it, it works fine - if I add it, something breaks | 17:09 |
| nluxton | >.< | 17:09 |
| nluxton | Computers, honestly | 17:10 |
| nluxton | Wow | 17:11 |
| nluxton | The test + source has an exit code of 1 | 17:12 |
| nluxton | If I remove the double quotes, it's fine | 17:12 |
| nluxton | Nope | 17:13 |
| nluxton | I had a typo | 17:13 |
| nluxton | OH MY | 17:14 |
| nluxton | It's the parentheses | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | what about the parentheses | 17:14 |
| nluxton | With them, it doesn't set the variable | 17:14 |
| nluxton | Without them, it works fine | 17:14 |
| nluxton | (in both cases, without the || :) | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | huh | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | I wonder why | 17:15 |
| nluxton | Is it starting a subshell or something weird? | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | I honestly don't know | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | lets see | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: (export FOO="bar") | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | does not give me a foo var :P | 17:16 |
| nluxton | whoa | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | I think because () evaluates everything inside | 17:16 |
| nluxton | OK, I think that constitutes a bug, right? | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | no, that's interesting bash stuff :P | 17:16 |
| nluxton | Haha, I mean a bug in kdestart ;) | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | nluxton: try this | 17:17 |
| nluxton | Maybe someone switching between langs and thinking "Yeah, this will be fine" | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | eval export KDEWM | 17:17 |
| nluxton | oooh | 17:17 |
| nluxton | nope | 17:18 |
| nluxton | Damn, I have to leave work now | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer | oh :( | 17:19 |
| nluxton | I'll do it Monday - thanks for being my rubber duck! :D | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | yw | 17:19 |
| nluxton | Have a great weekend | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | you know, I never thought about it, but computers are bigger on the inside :O | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer | some of them are also blue | 17:23 |
| pursuivant | muon (master) v5.4.2-175-gb8bb3a1 * Aleix Pol: (395 files in 47 dirs) | 17:46 |
| pursuivant | Remove discover | 17:46 |
| pursuivant | And the whole abstraction layer as it's being moved into a separate | 17:46 |
| pursuivant | repository. | 17:46 |
| pursuivant | With it, also the notifier plasmoid, updater and exporter. | 17:46 |
| pursuivant | http://commits.kde.org/muon/b8bb3a144ee1b7bb560f09777d5c5966a3c9ac39 | 17:46 |
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