[00:00] sgclark: I hope so [00:00] excellent :) I can hold off on the new stuff [00:14] FYI: I'm on a trip until sunday, so don't expect me to reply as I won't be checking IRC [00:14] nini [00:16] yofel: ok have a great trip! [00:17] +1 [00:17] pushed the add/remove ppa suffix scripts, so it should be ready for a first test run now [00:20] ok, still fixing CI builds. Should be ready to test tomorrow morning. [00:25] sgclark: please give me a ping before proceeding so I can assist you with doubts or bugs in the scriptery ;) [00:26] santa_: will do :) thanks for doing this! [00:26] yw, since its the first time we would be using this I would like to keep an eye on how you use it :) [07:03] good morning [07:04] some good news: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/new-usb-startup-creator-is-being-made-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-495794.shtml [07:39] oh bloody hell it is 2400 for me. Vacation! Or some such. Jens neeeds to be involed.... Hense Sweden! [07:46] hiho sgclark [07:48] hey [07:49] sgclark: i had not time yet to watch last podcast, how is teh situation with the build server. Rick mentioned DO could sponsor it ? [07:50] way late. must sleep.. [07:50] ok, have a good night [07:51] I can try. Suceeed? dunno [07:52] I need a job sorry [08:47] sitter: I've installed powerline and started it [08:47] but it's ugly as hell [08:47] why does it not look like in the pictures? [08:49] wrong font? rtfm? :P [08:50] I'm RTFMing [08:50] use the right font then :P [08:50] I don't think it's the font [08:50] I think it's the theme [08:50] and I can't figure out how to change it [08:52] Good morning. [08:53] I am not sure how I can help [08:53] lordievader: good morning [08:54] Hey sitter [08:56] sitter: do you have a custom config for it? [08:57] I have an ohmyzsh with a .zshrc that configures it to use the bullet-train theme [08:58] where did you get that theme from [08:58] ? [08:59] comes bundled I think [09:00] sitter: https://github.com/caiogondim/bullet-train-oh-my-zsh-theme ? [09:00] yeah [09:06] zsh :D [09:44] * ovidiu-florin is trying out zsh [09:57] Is there a known workaround with -dbg pkgs not found (libqxcb) or partialy missing (libglib, libQt5Core, libQt5Quick ...) in crash report asistant. krunner crash but no dbg for lib{qxcb. SomeQt5core [10:03] fixing the lookup algorithm is the workaround [10:07] :-) So no bug report :-( I even ponder if it makes sense at all to report 2 monitor related bugs, given that we use qt 5.4 and not 5.5 [10:10] sitter: but wait, this why libqxcb.so symbols are not found, but why are some in symbols in e.g. libQt5 resolved and other not. [10:10] I do not know [10:10] *this explains [10:10] k [10:12] is it expected that akonadictl consumes cpu constantly? just put an issue upstream https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354937 [10:12] KDE bug 354937 in server "constantly high cpu consumption by akonadiserver" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:15] Blizz: add process list which akonadi proc. E.g. konsole as wide as possible. Start top, quit and c&p the process that consume to much CPU [10:15] ^ s/top/htop/ [10:16] Blizzz: check ~/.xsession-error is akonadi resource constantly log something [10:17] I've no akonadi cpu problems currently but does akonadictl stop and restarting help in your case? [10:19] allee: i added a screenshot of htop [10:20] allee: yes, akonadi writes to .xsession-errors [10:20] i'll add to the bug report [10:21] Blizzz: is your qt5.5 self compiled? Or which deb repo? [10:21] allee: from http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/backup-qt551/ubuntu/ [10:22] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/backup-qt551 [10:22] i have seen this in 5.4 as well, but did not investigate… went to 5.5 because of issues with multiple monitors [10:23] Blizzz: you read my mind ;-) I was pondering about 5.5 because of (minor but anoying) mult. monitor problems too. Did it fix some mult monitor [10:24] for you? [10:25] allee: at office, i connect via VGA to an external one. With 5.5.1 it does it smoothly. Without, i needed to restart plasmashell manually after plugging in, and it crashed when unplugging. this is all good now. [10:25] in the .xsession-errors you see, it's always the same two items 149472 and 112251 that are mentioned [10:31] Blizzz: much luck! KDEPIM is unfortunatly hopelessly understaffed. [10:32] I would try adonadictl and try to find the item. Maybe the content show you why they are special. But for most of my akonadi problem I had to give up :-( [10:32] anybody heard about resolution of bug about logging in lag? [10:33] allee: yes… and it took ages until the Qt4/KDE4 version became usable. I took me three attempts to go back to it, until it was good enough for professional use. Okay, thanks so far! [10:33] vip: no news about akondi delay on login. :-( [10:34] allee: i've heard it is more networkmanager/bluetooth bug [10:34] allee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1509334 [10:34] vip: ah yes, these are two differ beast. Here it was akonadi [10:34] Launchpad bug 1509334 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu Wily) "[sru] plasma-nm blocks temporarily on startup w/o bluetooth device – KDE/Plasma very slow to launch (Kubuntu 15.10)" [Undecided,Fix committed] [10:34] found it [10:35] vip i think it is not released yet for wily [10:36] vip: ut you can download and install package with fix: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/wily/+packages [10:36] another thing: in my KDE menu there are several applications without Icon, like Dolphin or Firefox. Known? [10:36] Blizzz: yes. [10:37] Path changed between kde 4 and 5 version of apps :-( [10:37] soee_: thanks, both nm and akonadi bugs are patched? [10:37] nm only [10:47] Blizzz: btw. how long does login take for you? Here ~ 30s with ln -s /bin/true /usr/local/bin/akonadiserver ~ 4 sec. [10:50] allee: btw, how do you then start akonadi after login? [10:52] vip: that just to measure and prove delay is akonadis fault. (like remove plasma-nm to prove delay is caused by the app) [10:52] ah, ok [11:12] Riddell: so do we have a LibreOffice KDE5 meeting on Monday? When and where? [11:13] jmux: yes, 14:00CET in #libreoffice-something [11:13] jmux: -design? [11:15] Riddell: #libreoffice-design is fine. I'll block one hour [11:15] Riddell: Or do you expect we need longer? [11:15] jmux: nah an hour is fine [11:23] allee: login does not take long, definitely not half a minue [11:23] 4 sec, if at all. I have session restore disabled [11:26] Blizzz: thx for the info. Interesting. How may akonadi related proc. have you running? ps x | grep akonad[i] | wc -l (here 25 proc) [11:29] allee: 21 [11:30] with 3 email, one carddav and one caldav account [11:30] hmm, so what the hell is different for soee_ and me that akondi uses so much time. Grr.. [11:56] allee: maybe not using disconnect imap? [11:57] allee: have you the plasma-nm patch? [12:00] before the patch was applied plasma-nm was delaying login by 30 seconds [12:01] allee: what version have you installed "dpkg -s plasma-nm" [12:02] and what version of Kubuntu? [12:07] sitter: please help me [12:07] 42 [12:07] I've looked throught he manual and cannot fix it === vinay is now known as Guest53872 [12:09] sitter: http://imgur.com/qgTarmB [12:09] compared to this image: https://github.com/caiogondim/bullet-train-oh-my-zsh-theme [12:09] I have zsh installed and set as defaul [12:09] and set it's theme to ^^ [12:09] like it sais in it's readme [12:10] but no powerline [12:10] why doesn't the theme look the same? [12:10] I have the fonts installed in ~/.fonts [12:10] and I've installed ttf-ancient-fonts [12:10] and rebooted [12:11] Hiyas all [12:12] ovidiu-florin: you have to set the font as your konsole font [12:12] what you are seeing is exactly what happens when it's not useing a powerlined font [12:14] fixed [12:14] thanks [12:49] sitter: do you use powerline with python 2 or 3? [12:50] because I've installed and use it with python 3 [12:50] and the vim we ship does not support python3 [12:53] clivejo: ii plasma-nm 4:5.4.2-0ubuntu1 [12:54] clivejo: but I was not affected by plasma-nm delay (mac air with bt). Replacing akonadi with /bin/true I could login in 4-5 sec [12:58] clivejo,soee_: I've found out that with akonadictl stop, then logout, the login need ~ 7 sec. Without akonadictl stop before logout it's 30 sec. See #akonadi. thx to Blizzz for the inspiration to try this :-) [13:00] allee: ood to know, thanks ! :) [13:00] *good [13:01] clivejo: ah, forgot: I'm using wily [13:02] wow, strange. sounds like it's not stopping by itself probably on logout/shutdown [13:04] Blizzz: akonadi not running after logout. but something goes wrong how it's stopped. See proc list: https://paste.kde.org/ptfptwcvo [13:05] * allee wonders why every logout gives an additional kuiserver5 process that runs until shutdown [13:05] more is better? [13:06] * allee notes: only sometimes konsole is not resotored [13:06] Blizzz: lol. Wenn ich einmal reich waere,didel... [13:08] meanwhile i wonder where the debug symbols for akonadi_davgroupware_resource are. they should be in kdepim-runtime-dbg, but apparently are missing. [13:09] once upon a time it was possible to open a bug in launchpad, no? [13:10] Blizzz: me too. I've asked the same today. response: [11:03:47] fixing the lookup algorithm is the workaround [13:10] but this does not explain why sometimes some symbols are resolved and other missing :-( [13:11] yeah… [13:11] how to do this anyway? [13:12] Usually I checked which pkg a lib was in (dpkg -S /path/to/lib) and added -dbg to pkg name and installed it. But this didn't work today for the first time. [13:13] with the some symbols resolved some not. I'm totally glueless. Must be a bug during -dbg generation IMHO. [13:16] ok [13:16] i fought launchpad and filed this now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim-runtime/+bug/1513830 [13:16] Launchpad bug 1513830 in kdepim-runtime (Ubuntu) "debug symbols for akonadi_davgroupware_resource missing" [Undecided,New] [13:43] sitter: I can't find how to set powerline to use bullet-train. Please advise [13:44] that sentence makes no sense [13:44] bullet-train is an implementation of the powerline style [13:44] oh [13:44] I thought bullet-train is a theme for zsh [13:44] which implements the powerline style [13:45] ah [13:47] I have an ohmyzsh with a .zshrc that configures it to use the bullet-train theme [13:47] where does powerline come in this scenario? [14:04] http://www.mattermost.org/ [14:05] inegrates with http://www.mattermost.org/community-applications/ [14:58] where did we keep our packaging in bzr? [14:59] ah nvm [15:00] packagers, not packaging is the team [15:00] what you looking for shadeslayer [15:00] clivejo: nothing in particular === palasso_ is now known as palasso [15:34] muon (master) v5.4.2-173-gc56fba8 * Aleix Pol: muon (20 files in 6 dirs) [15:34] Preparation for the split [15:34] Move the required classes within libMuonApt into muon [15:34] http://commits.kde.org/muon/c56fba86f6850effca3c146f75e66b0154ad5994 [15:34] muon (master) v5.4.2-174-g60e429d * Aleix Pol: (16 files in 5 dirs) [15:34] Move libmuonapt within the ApplicationsBackend [15:34] http://commits.kde.org/muon/60e429d4e6d3b5a04a2a35fbd371b33a9bb053f0 [16:35] Riddell: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2015/11/Munich [16:37] shadeslayer, yofel, everybody else: ^^^ [16:50] Hi - I can't set the window manager in Kubuntu 15.10 - I have a set_window_manager.sh in the plasma-workspace/env/ dir but it doesn't set KDEWM - however, if I chang 'startkde' like the following: https://paste.kde.org/p2hzjumog -- then it starts working. [16:53] Anyone got any idea what might be happening to cause this to go wrong in the 'vanilla' case? [16:55] well, you've just removed the exception handling there [16:56] I would recommend asking in #kde [16:56] I tried that to no avail - I'll try again next week [16:56] ah [16:57] yeah :) [16:57] :) [16:57] I'm not sure honesty :) [16:57] nluxton: perhaps you can set +x on startkde and check .xsession-errors [16:57] to see why your script doesn't work [16:57] I ran it interactively in order to figure it out thus far [16:58] I mean, my script seems fine ... it's just export KDEWM=/usr/bin/xmonad [16:58] It was working fine until I upgraded to 15.10 today [16:58] nluxton: maybe check what running (test -r "$file" && . "$file") || : gives you [16:59] nluxton: perhaps it's too late in the startup sequence and kwin has already taken over [16:59] I also recall there being a option somewhere to set your custom wm [16:59] Well, it works without the || : bit [16:59] Just like it used to [17:00] nluxton: yeah but run that in your shell [17:00] with the || [17:00] And it seems like kwin gets set as the default later on if it's blank [17:00] Yeah it works fine in the shell [17:00] nluxton: ok, maybe make your file touch a script somewhere [17:00] Unless I use the || : bit - and then everything works fine, except that KDEWM stays blank [17:00] Good shout [17:00] Make sure it's actually sourced [17:00] correct [17:02] Yep [17:02] Definitely running [17:02] nluxton: that's with the ||: ? [17:02] Yep [17:02] I just reset startkde to vanilla (and set the 'is kde running?' check to 1 so that it tries everything anyway lol) [17:02] ok, well, try dumping the env into a file before and after the import [17:03] er, export [17:03] I mean [17:03] from your script [17:03] perhaps even a pidof kwin_x11 [17:03] that way we'll know if kwin_x11 gets started before KDEWM gets set [17:03] then that'd be the problem [17:03] Well I echod it to the screen before, before and after, and again when it checks if KDEWM is blank later on in the startkde script, and they were all blank [17:04] oh, then isn't that the issue? [17:04] nluxton: you could also try putting it in /etc/environment [17:04] Yeah - I'm attempting to understand why that's happening [17:04] I mean, it /should/ work there [17:05] and when debugging bash scripts, +x is your friend ;) [17:05] Because it's a change in behaviour since 15.04 ... why should a simple source op stop working? [17:05] >.< [17:05] so you probably want to do that in startkde [17:05] nluxton: well, maybe startkde changed [17:06] Yeah that was my next step is to start figuring it all out myself - and then potentially raising bug reports etc - I just hoped I might short-circuit that ;) [17:06] Someone could say "It's because || : doesn't work in dash" or something like that haha [17:07] What is the " || :" construct anyway? [17:07] not sure [17:08] well [17:08] : is true [17:08] so as I understand it, it's exception handling [17:09] if (test -r "$file" && . "$file") evaluates to false, OR it with true? [17:09] Yeah it seems like a way of ignoring failures [17:09] yeah I guess [17:09] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16357755/meaning-of-colon-in-bash-after-a-double-pipe [17:09] Rather than having the whole script fail [17:09] indeed [17:09] The weird thing is, if I remove it, it works fine - if I add it, something breaks [17:09] >.< [17:10] Computers, honestly [17:11] Wow [17:12] The test + source has an exit code of 1 [17:12] If I remove the double quotes, it's fine [17:13] Nope [17:13] I had a typo [17:14] OH MY [17:14] It's the parentheses [17:14] what about the parentheses [17:14] With them, it doesn't set the variable [17:14] Without them, it works fine [17:15] (in both cases, without the || :) [17:15] huh [17:15] I wonder why [17:15] Is it starting a subshell or something weird? [17:15] I honestly don't know [17:15] lets see [17:16] yes [17:16] nluxton: (export FOO="bar") [17:16] does not give me a foo var :P [17:16] whoa [17:16] I think because () evaluates everything inside [17:16] OK, I think that constitutes a bug, right? [17:16] no, that's interesting bash stuff :P [17:17] Haha, I mean a bug in kdestart ;) [17:17] nluxton: try this [17:17] Maybe someone switching between langs and thinking "Yeah, this will be fine" [17:17] eval export KDEWM [17:17] oooh [17:18] nope [17:18] Damn, I have to leave work now [17:19] oh :( [17:19] I'll do it Monday - thanks for being my rubber duck! :D [17:19] yw [17:19] Have a great weekend [17:23] you know, I never thought about it, but computers are bigger on the inside :O [17:23] some of them are also blue [17:46] muon (master) v5.4.2-175-gb8bb3a1 * Aleix Pol: (395 files in 47 dirs) [17:46] Remove discover [17:46] And the whole abstraction layer as it's being moved into a separate [17:46] repository. [17:46] With it, also the notifier plasmoid, updater and exporter. [17:46] http://commits.kde.org/muon/b8bb3a144ee1b7bb560f09777d5c5966a3c9ac39