| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 06:15 |
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| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: did you see canonical jobs? | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: http://www.canonical.com/careers | 06:16 |
| EriC^^ | morning lotuspsychje | 07:31 |
| EriC^^ | yeah i saw it a while ago | 07:32 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: nice nice :p | 07:43 |
| lotuspsychje | http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/new-usb-startup-creator-is-being-made-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-495794.shtml | 07:44 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl have a nice day | 07:48 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:52 |
| lotuspsychje | good noon to all | 10:29 |
| lotuspsychje | hi popey | 10:30 |
| popey | hi | 10:31 |
| lotus|xenial | good afternoon to all | 11:04 |
| lotus|xenial | cfhowlett: hello mate | 11:15 |
| cfhowlett | hey ^3 | 11:16 |
| lotus|xenial | its trolls days again grr | 11:27 |
| lotus|xenial | tnx cfhowlett | 11:30 |
| cfhowlett | np | 11:31 |
| lotus|xenial | i dont like ignore cfhowlett , wanna know whats going on | 11:32 |
| cfhowlett | understood | 11:33 |
| lotus|xenial | this guy needs a ban | 11:33 |
| lotus|xenial | cfhowlett: daftykins saw him quoting TJ to help a user, and it wasnt even relevant | 11:34 |
| cfhowlett | I'm already done. he's /ignored. | 11:34 |
| lotus|xenial | lol :p | 11:35 |
| lotus|xenial | bbl | 11:46 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:11 |
| MonkeyDust | yes | 14:33 |
| Pici | yep | 14:35 |
| TJ- | cfhowlett: are you into electronics (components) ? | 14:56 |
| cfhowlett | not so much. Y | 14:56 |
| TJ- | just been trying to get hold of an LDO transistor, '662K' 3.3V, 0.5A, SOT-23, and it seems like the only suppliers for small quantities is China :) | 14:57 |
| cfhowlett | I'm up the street from the electronics bazaar ... | 14:58 |
| cfhowlett | might be able to help | 14:58 |
| TJ- | I have an IDE SSD (Disk-On-Module) that has blown its voltage regulator | 14:59 |
| cfhowlett | speak ENGLISH dern it! :) so what do you need? details are good, here ... | 15:00 |
| TJ- | I'm trying to find a compatible component at Farnell, but so far not doing too well | 15:00 |
| TJ- | Let me find a reference page so you get the idea :) | 15:00 |
| cfhowlett | brilliant! | 15:00 |
| MonkeyDust | excellent... release the hounds... | 15:02 |
| cfhowlett | lol! right, right! | 15:02 |
| TJ- | oh! Farnell have one. The original partial part details I had were incorrect | 15:02 |
| TJ- | http://uk.farnell.com/torex/xc6206p332mr/ic-pos-volt-reg-0-25a-3-3v-sot23/dp/8796980 | 15:02 |
| TJ- | I'm sorted, I think. | 15:03 |
| cfhowlett | and now I know what the heck a Farnell is ... | 15:03 |
| TJ- | this thing is about 3mm x 2mm :) | 15:03 |
| lordievader | An IDE SSD? Isn't IDE to slow for that? | 15:09 |
| TJ- | They're common in Industrial equipment; the device plugs directly onto the mobo IDE socket | 15:15 |
| lordievader | Fancy. | 15:15 |
| TJ- | they avoid the power/size/weght/fragility of spinning disks | 15:15 |
| lordievader | Can't they do that with sata too? | 15:16 |
| TJ- | Yes, there are SATA versions. But these have been around for IDE systems since the 1990s | 15:17 |
| * BluesKaj assumes the capacities are quite low | 15:18 | |
| TJ- | from <1GB to 256GB | 15:20 |
| TJ- | generally used for mostly-read-only OS installs | 15:20 |
| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 16:07 |
| OerHeks | hi lotus | 16:09 |
| lotuspsychje | hey OerHeks | 16:10 |
| lotuspsychje | my second xenial bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1513801 | 16:12 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1513801 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "Scrambled screen and mouse pointer on first boot" [Undecided,New] | 16:12 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: You'd never believe I've not yet managed to boot that mobo with the WMP600N in! | 16:13 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: dont sweat mate tyt | 16:14 |
| TJ- | I'm not, but the mobo is supposed to boot! It refuses to USB boot, somehow it blew a PCB trace and transistor on an IDE Disk-On-Module SSD, it's own NIC only does Novell Netware boot services! ... Grrr! | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | hmmm | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: what mobo brand is that? | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | that pikakuu guy has been a troll again today grrr | 16:16 |
| lotuspsychje | he plays the game smart, and reverses things to us | 16:17 |
| TJ- | Mercury Kobian PVCLE266M I think it is - has a Via C3 CPU on | 16:17 |
| TJ- | really? I must have missed that | 16:17 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: yeah it was this morning before you joined | 16:17 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: told me not abuse the bot, after someone sweared in the channel | 16:18 |
| TJ- | LOL I detect some 'aspergers' hints in that character :) | 16:19 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:19 |
| lotuspsychje | he will make a mistake soon, and ill grab him | 16:20 |
| OerHeks | I'll ignore him and some other trolls. there has been a wave of trolls lately | 16:20 |
| OerHeks | ( and you'll find them making jokes in #u-o ) | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah indeed, but the problem is OerHeks if you ignore, other users have a trolls mess by them | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: and that guy provides wrong info to users aswell | 16:21 |
| OerHeks | just type: please ignore * | 16:22 |
| TJ- | pleas ignore everyone :D | 16:22 |
| OerHeks | that will drive him mad, and warns the other users | 16:22 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:22 |
| TJ- | I think pikapi is trying to be helpful but not aware of being too eager, and not always knowing the correct safe steps. Maybe just needs some friendly advice | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: hmm you can try it lol | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | good luck | 16:24 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 16:24 |
| OerHeks | TJ-, he surely is trolling, does not know the basics, but know too much about unusual requests. | 16:24 |
| TJ- | that's why I sense aspergers hints | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | hahaha | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | mental irc | 16:25 |
| TJ- | focus on narrow areas with amazing ability but something slightly different throws them out | 16:25 |
| OerHeks | well, good luck to you, fine helpers, nearly weekend. | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah but 'catching' us back is a nasty trick | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | he tryed to prove daftykin1 wrong aswell | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | anyway.. | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | we gonna have a new startup disk cretaor yayyyy | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | creator | 16:27 |
| TJ- | yeah, it's called 'dd' | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:28 |
| TJ- | I don't know what the entire issue with those tools is. why not just write the image plain and simple rather than messing about with an intermediate boot-loader | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | its gui and nice for the masses | 16:29 |
| TJ- | No argument about GUI ... but why not just 'choose ISO', 'choose target', 'write' | 16:30 |
| TJ- | as in, no trying to insert an additional boot-manager in between the firmware and the ISO contents, since the ISO is hybrid bootable anyhow | 16:31 |
| lotuspsychje | true | 16:32 |
| TJ- | I think those tools have been used by mistake; they're for creating truly multiboot installations with several installers on the same device, which isn't the common use case for most users | 16:32 |
| lotuspsychje | i like that multisystem tool | 16:32 |
| TJ- | The GUI should be the file manager. Drag the ISO image onto the USB device image and done! | 16:32 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: that would be nice | 16:32 |
| TJ- | It's standard drag-n-drop behaviour after all. It would just need to ask for elevated permissions | 16:33 |
| TJ- | If software-center can do that, so can the file manager | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: its gonne be gnome software now :p | 16:33 |
| TJ- | Not here it isn't! | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | looool | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | xenial kubuntu ? | 16:34 |
| TJ- | there seems to be some strange, unannounced, alliance with Canonical and Gnome | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: we had gnome by default on early ubuntu's right | 16:34 |
| TJ- | I was in the UOS UEFI boot session, and there were 3 guys there from RedHat/Gnome and all the talk was about how Gnome tooling will handle UEFI Capsule updatse | 16:35 |
| TJ- | Gnome is the back-end of Unity too, but not the Gnome Desktop | 16:35 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 16:35 |
| TJ- | I think the reason is Canonical has discovered the costs of going it alone on the desktop 'experience' | 16:35 |
| lotuspsychje | there's a lot going on these days | 16:36 |
| lotuspsychje | big business | 16:36 |
| TJ- | interesting though, I can't see how focusing on Gnome works with the Snappy/App infrastructure which is all QT (which is the underpinning of KDE). Gnome has gtk/gdk | 16:36 |
| TJ- | the whole point of these airy fairy 'apps' is they are effectively HTML5/CSS QT QML definitions | 16:37 |
| TJ- | and that's what the phones have, so if everything is 'converging' on that, not sure how Gnome fits in | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | snappy and phones wanna enter the scene | 16:38 |
| TJ- | I found the summit sessions covering it were hard to follow the logic | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | and the big cloud business of canonical | 16:38 |
| TJ- | right, which has nothing whatsoever in common with 'convergence' ! | 16:40 |
| lotuspsychje | think we gonna see weird things in the future | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | and a lot of solving :p | 16:41 |
| TJ- | there was a discussion about this amongst the core devs the other day; the aim to have a single installer image... and the cloud folks were complaining bitterly that there was no way they wanted all the same stuff on as phones/desktop need. | 16:41 |
| TJ- | They were asking what is wrong with 'ubuntu-minimal', that is already supposed to be the common base | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | the more characters on the play, the more arguments will rise | 16:42 |
| TJ- | there was some bad tempered falling out and silence descended. | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | can imagine | 16:42 |
| TJ- | basically the 'suits' are saying 'we must have convergence and a single pretty Ubuntu image' | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | what happened to opensource thinking there | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | isnt the community supose to brainstorm along? | 16:43 |
| TJ- | It rather feels to me like Canonical is being prepared to be partially sold; possible public listing in the pipeline maybe | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | i never liked the amazon stuff | 16:43 |
| TJ- | supposed to - but that kind of stuff disappeared into Canonical years ago. "Community" is only a veneer now... if you don't agree you can go - see what happened to Jonathan Riddel, founder of Kubuntu. Frozen out and 'told' to resign from the Kubuntu Community Council. | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | who knows what else we gonna see | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 16:45 |
| TJ- | I think its time I had a nap; I've worn my eyes out today staring at SMD components on PCBs | 16:50 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:50 |
| lotuspsychje | cant you try that plop cd | 16:51 |
| lotuspsychje | or cant you get a cdrom working on it neither | 16:51 |
| TJ- | there's no CD on that mobo, and it has previously booted from the same USB device, which is the annoying part | 16:51 |
| lotuspsychje | cmos clear and battery out? | 16:52 |
| lotuspsychje | anyway, after a good night sleep, is the best time to solve hardware issues | 16:54 |
| lotuspsychje | (or under the shower, my gf says) | 16:55 |
| TJ- | yes, tried it under the shower :D | 16:55 |
| TJ- | and I slept with the battery out | 16:55 |
| MonkeyDust | yes but no | 17:33 |
| fossterer | Hi! I've been using 15.10 daily builds so far. Now that 16.04 daily-builds are getting ready, is there a way for me to move to 16.04? | 18:12 |
| BluesKaj | fossterer, update and upgrade to make sure you have the latest packages , then sudo do release-upgrade -d , if you want to upgrade over the net or do a clean install of one of these images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 18:16 |
| BluesKaj | use this site if you're using ubuntu http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 18:18 |
| BluesKaj | fossterer,^ | 18:18 |
| fossterer | BluesKaj: Thanks, I'm already running 15.10 daily-build isntalled. Can use 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade an installed 'daily-build' (to 16.04)? | 18:19 |
| fossterer | Did you ever use a daily-build? | 18:19 |
| BluesKaj | yes, I've used both , don't forget to use -d at the end of the do-release, its 'd for development | 18:20 |
| fossterer | Great! Thanks for responding, BluesKaj! | 18:21 |
| BluesKaj | the daily build is great for a clean install if you have separate / and /home partitions in particular | 18:21 |
| fossterer | Yeah.. I have /home separately.. I use the same for LTS and daily-build installs | 18:22 |
| BluesKaj | cool | 18:23 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , i still have 14.04 on a separate partition as my stable backup OS | 18:26 |
| fossterer | cool... Do you do any active testing on daily-builds? | 18:26 |
| BluesKaj | yes this is a daily that I'm testing atm, altho I haven't seen many problems so far with 16.04, it's still basically 15.10 underneath | 18:28 |
| BluesKaj | but I'm a KDE guy, the ubuntu 16.04 testers are reporting basically the same experience | 18:29 |
| fossterer | Can I see any of the bugs you worked on/reported earlier? I started using 15.10 daily builds with the aim of participating in bug-squashing stuff | 18:30 |
| BluesKaj | I rarely report bugs anymore because most of the time they're dupes, already reported | 18:31 |
| OerHeks | I do, when they need confirmation | 18:31 |
| fossterer | Can I see a sample? | 18:32 |
| BluesKaj | ok , gotta go for a few mins .... paper mail etc | 18:33 |
| BluesKaj | check launchpad | 18:33 |
| fossterer | ~kaj, is that you? | 18:34 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 18:34 |
| fossterer | cool.. Thanks | 18:37 |
| MonkeyDust | a 16.04 xfce bug i noticed, unable to login with the guest account | 18:41 |
| OerHeks | Delay release ! | 18:42 |
| OerHeks | :-D | 18:42 |
| MonkeyDust | critical error | 18:42 |
| OerHeks | MonkeyDust :-D | 20:13 |
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| pauljw | Hi everyone | 21:28 |
| OerHeks | hey paul | 21:28 |
| TJ- | grrr, found another vulnerable BIOS flash tool. AMI again. Surpised - not. | 23:44 |
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