[06:15] good morning to all [06:15] EriC^^: did you see canonical jobs? [06:16] EriC^^: http://www.canonical.com/careers [07:31] morning lotuspsychje [07:32] yeah i saw it a while ago [07:43] EriC^^: nice nice :p [07:44] http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/new-usb-startup-creator-is-being-made-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-495794.shtml [07:48] bbl have a nice day [08:52] Good morning. [10:29] good noon to all [10:30] hi popey [10:31] hi [11:04] good afternoon to all [11:15] cfhowlett: hello mate [11:16] hey ^3 [11:27] its trolls days again grr [11:30] tnx cfhowlett [11:31] np [11:32] i dont like ignore cfhowlett , wanna know whats going on [11:33] understood [11:33] this guy needs a ban [11:34] cfhowlett: daftykins saw him quoting TJ to help a user, and it wasnt even relevant [11:34] I'm already done. he's /ignored. [11:35] lol :p [11:46] bbl [12:11] Hiyas all [14:33] yes [14:35] yep [14:56] cfhowlett: are you into electronics (components) ? [14:56] not so much. Y [14:57] just been trying to get hold of an LDO transistor, '662K' 3.3V, 0.5A, SOT-23, and it seems like the only suppliers for small quantities is China :) [14:58] I'm up the street from the electronics bazaar ... [14:58] might be able to help [14:59] I have an IDE SSD (Disk-On-Module) that has blown its voltage regulator [15:00] speak ENGLISH dern it! :) so what do you need? details are good, here ... [15:00] I'm trying to find a compatible component at Farnell, but so far not doing too well [15:00] Let me find a reference page so you get the idea :) [15:00] brilliant! [15:02] excellent... release the hounds... [15:02] lol! right, right! [15:02] oh! Farnell have one. The original partial part details I had were incorrect [15:02] http://uk.farnell.com/torex/xc6206p332mr/ic-pos-volt-reg-0-25a-3-3v-sot23/dp/8796980 [15:03] I'm sorted, I think. [15:03] and now I know what the heck a Farnell is ... [15:03] this thing is about 3mm x 2mm :) [15:09] An IDE SSD? Isn't IDE to slow for that? [15:15] They're common in Industrial equipment; the device plugs directly onto the mobo IDE socket [15:15] Fancy. [15:15] they avoid the power/size/weght/fragility of spinning disks [15:16] Can't they do that with sata too? [15:17] Yes, there are SATA versions. But these have been around for IDE systems since the 1990s [15:18] * BluesKaj assumes the capacities are quite low [15:20] from <1GB to 256GB [15:20] generally used for mostly-read-only OS installs [16:07] good evening to all [16:09] hi lotus [16:10] hey OerHeks [16:12] my second xenial bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1513801 [16:12] Ubuntu bug 1513801 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "Scrambled screen and mouse pointer on first boot" [Undecided,New] [16:13] lotuspsychje: You'd never believe I've not yet managed to boot that mobo with the WMP600N in! [16:14] TJ-: dont sweat mate tyt [16:15] I'm not, but the mobo is supposed to boot! It refuses to USB boot, somehow it blew a PCB trace and transistor on an IDE Disk-On-Module SSD, it's own NIC only does Novell Netware boot services! ... Grrr! [16:15] hmmm [16:15] TJ-: what mobo brand is that? [16:16] that pikakuu guy has been a troll again today grrr [16:17] he plays the game smart, and reverses things to us [16:17] Mercury Kobian PVCLE266M I think it is - has a Via C3 CPU on [16:17] really? I must have missed that [16:17] TJ-: yeah it was this morning before you joined [16:18] TJ-: told me not abuse the bot, after someone sweared in the channel [16:19] LOL I detect some 'aspergers' hints in that character :) [16:19] lol [16:20] he will make a mistake soon, and ill grab him [16:20] I'll ignore him and some other trolls. there has been a wave of trolls lately [16:21] ( and you'll find them making jokes in #u-o ) [16:21] yeah indeed, but the problem is OerHeks if you ignore, other users have a trolls mess by them [16:21] OerHeks: and that guy provides wrong info to users aswell [16:22] just type: please ignore * [16:22] pleas ignore everyone :D [16:22] that will drive him mad, and warns the other users [16:22] lol [16:23] I think pikapi is trying to be helpful but not aware of being too eager, and not always knowing the correct safe steps. Maybe just needs some friendly advice [16:23] TJ-: hmm you can try it lol [16:24] good luck [16:24] :p [16:24] TJ-, he surely is trolling, does not know the basics, but know too much about unusual requests. [16:25] that's why I sense aspergers hints [16:25] hahaha [16:25] mental irc [16:25] focus on narrow areas with amazing ability but something slightly different throws them out [16:26] well, good luck to you, fine helpers, nearly weekend. [16:26] yeah but 'catching' us back is a nasty trick [16:26] he tryed to prove daftykin1 wrong aswell [16:27] anyway.. [16:27] we gonna have a new startup disk cretaor yayyyy [16:27] creator [16:28] yeah, it's called 'dd' [16:28] lol [16:29] I don't know what the entire issue with those tools is. why not just write the image plain and simple rather than messing about with an intermediate boot-loader [16:29] its gui and nice for the masses [16:30] No argument about GUI ... but why not just 'choose ISO', 'choose target', 'write' [16:31] as in, no trying to insert an additional boot-manager in between the firmware and the ISO contents, since the ISO is hybrid bootable anyhow [16:32] true [16:32] I think those tools have been used by mistake; they're for creating truly multiboot installations with several installers on the same device, which isn't the common use case for most users [16:32] i like that multisystem tool [16:32] The GUI should be the file manager. Drag the ISO image onto the USB device image and done! [16:32] TJ-: that would be nice [16:33] It's standard drag-n-drop behaviour after all. It would just need to ask for elevated permissions [16:33] If software-center can do that, so can the file manager [16:33] TJ-: its gonne be gnome software now :p [16:33] Not here it isn't! [16:34] looool [16:34] xenial kubuntu ? [16:34] there seems to be some strange, unannounced, alliance with Canonical and Gnome [16:34] TJ-: we had gnome by default on early ubuntu's right [16:35] I was in the UOS UEFI boot session, and there were 3 guys there from RedHat/Gnome and all the talk was about how Gnome tooling will handle UEFI Capsule updatse [16:35] Gnome is the back-end of Unity too, but not the Gnome Desktop [16:35] right [16:35] I think the reason is Canonical has discovered the costs of going it alone on the desktop 'experience' [16:36] there's a lot going on these days [16:36] big business [16:36] interesting though, I can't see how focusing on Gnome works with the Snappy/App infrastructure which is all QT (which is the underpinning of KDE). Gnome has gtk/gdk [16:37] the whole point of these airy fairy 'apps' is they are effectively HTML5/CSS QT QML definitions [16:38] and that's what the phones have, so if everything is 'converging' on that, not sure how Gnome fits in [16:38] snappy and phones wanna enter the scene [16:38] I found the summit sessions covering it were hard to follow the logic [16:38] and the big cloud business of canonical [16:40] right, which has nothing whatsoever in common with 'convergence' ! [16:41] think we gonna see weird things in the future [16:41] and a lot of solving :p [16:41] there was a discussion about this amongst the core devs the other day; the aim to have a single installer image... and the cloud folks were complaining bitterly that there was no way they wanted all the same stuff on as phones/desktop need. [16:41] They were asking what is wrong with 'ubuntu-minimal', that is already supposed to be the common base [16:42] the more characters on the play, the more arguments will rise [16:42] there was some bad tempered falling out and silence descended. [16:42] can imagine [16:42] basically the 'suits' are saying 'we must have convergence and a single pretty Ubuntu image' [16:43] what happened to opensource thinking there [16:43] isnt the community supose to brainstorm along? [16:43] It rather feels to me like Canonical is being prepared to be partially sold; possible public listing in the pipeline maybe [16:43] i never liked the amazon stuff [16:44] supposed to - but that kind of stuff disappeared into Canonical years ago. "Community" is only a veneer now... if you don't agree you can go - see what happened to Jonathan Riddel, founder of Kubuntu. Frozen out and 'told' to resign from the Kubuntu Community Council. [16:44] who knows what else we gonna see [16:45] yeah [16:50] I think its time I had a nap; I've worn my eyes out today staring at SMD components on PCBs [16:50] lol [16:51] cant you try that plop cd [16:51] or cant you get a cdrom working on it neither [16:51] there's no CD on that mobo, and it has previously booted from the same USB device, which is the annoying part [16:52] cmos clear and battery out? [16:54] anyway, after a good night sleep, is the best time to solve hardware issues [16:55] (or under the shower, my gf says) [16:55] yes, tried it under the shower :D [16:55] and I slept with the battery out [17:33] yes but no [18:12] Hi! I've been using 15.10 daily builds so far. Now that 16.04 daily-builds are getting ready, is there a way for me to move to 16.04? [18:16] fossterer, update and upgrade to make sure you have the latest packages , then sudo do release-upgrade -d , if you want to upgrade over the net or do a clean install of one of these images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [18:18] use this site if you're using ubuntu http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [18:18] fossterer,^ [18:19] BluesKaj: Thanks, I'm already running 15.10 daily-build isntalled. Can use 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade an installed 'daily-build' (to 16.04)? [18:19] Did you ever use a daily-build? [18:20] yes, I've used both , don't forget to use -d at the end of the do-release, its 'd for development [18:21] Great! Thanks for responding, BluesKaj! [18:21] the daily build is great for a clean install if you have separate / and /home partitions in particular [18:22] Yeah.. I have /home separately.. I use the same for LTS and daily-build installs [18:23] cool [18:26] yeah , i still have 14.04 on a separate partition as my stable backup OS [18:26] cool... Do you do any active testing on daily-builds? [18:28] yes this is a daily that I'm testing atm, altho I haven't seen many problems so far with 16.04, it's still basically 15.10 underneath [18:29] but I'm a KDE guy, the ubuntu 16.04 testers are reporting basically the same experience [18:30] Can I see any of the bugs you worked on/reported earlier? I started using 15.10 daily builds with the aim of participating in bug-squashing stuff [18:31] I rarely report bugs anymore because most of the time they're dupes, already reported [18:31] I do, when they need confirmation [18:32] Can I see a sample? [18:33] ok , gotta go for a few mins .... paper mail etc [18:33] check launchpad [18:34] ~kaj, is that you? [18:34] yup [18:37] cool.. Thanks [18:41] a 16.04 xfce bug i noticed, unable to login with the guest account [18:42] Delay release ! [18:42] :-D [18:42] critical error [20:13] MonkeyDust :-D === tgm4883_ is now known as tgm4883 === daftykin1 is now known as daftykins [21:28] Hi everyone [21:28] hey paul [23:44] grrr, found another vulnerable BIOS flash tool. AMI again. Surpised - not.