[06:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: did you see canonical jobs?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.canonical.com/careers
[07:31] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[07:32] <EriC^^> yeah i saw it a while ago
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: nice nice :p
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/new-usb-startup-creator-is-being-made-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-495794.shtml
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> bbl have a nice day
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> hi popey
[10:31] <popey> hi
[11:04] <lotus|xenial> good afternoon to all
[11:15] <lotus|xenial> cfhowlett: hello mate
[11:16] <cfhowlett> hey ^3
[11:27] <lotus|xenial> its trolls days again grr
[11:30] <lotus|xenial> tnx cfhowlett
[11:31] <cfhowlett> np
[11:32] <lotus|xenial> i dont like ignore cfhowlett , wanna know whats going on
[11:33] <cfhowlett> understood
[11:33] <lotus|xenial> this guy needs a ban
[11:34] <lotus|xenial> cfhowlett: daftykins saw him quoting TJ to help a user, and it wasnt even relevant
[11:34] <cfhowlett> I'm already done.  he's /ignored.
[11:35] <lotus|xenial> lol :p
[11:46] <lotus|xenial> bbl
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> yes
[14:35] <Pici> yep
[14:56] <TJ-> cfhowlett: are you into electronics (components) ?
[14:56] <cfhowlett> not so much.  Y
[14:57] <TJ-> just been trying to get hold of an LDO transistor, '662K' 3.3V, 0.5A, SOT-23, and it seems like the only suppliers for small quantities is China :)
[14:58] <cfhowlett> I'm up the street from the electronics bazaar ...
[14:58] <cfhowlett> might be able to help
[14:59] <TJ-> I have an IDE SSD (Disk-On-Module) that has blown its voltage regulator
[15:00] <cfhowlett> speak ENGLISH dern it!  :)  so what do you need?  details are good, here ...
[15:00] <TJ-> I'm trying to find a compatible component at Farnell, but so far not doing too well
[15:00] <TJ-> Let me find a reference page so you get the idea :)
[15:00] <cfhowlett> brilliant!
[15:02] <MonkeyDust> excellent... release the hounds...
[15:02] <cfhowlett> lol!  right, right!
[15:02] <TJ-> oh! Farnell have one. The original partial part details I had were incorrect
[15:02] <TJ-> http://uk.farnell.com/torex/xc6206p332mr/ic-pos-volt-reg-0-25a-3-3v-sot23/dp/8796980
[15:03] <TJ-> I'm sorted, I think.
[15:03] <cfhowlett> and now I know what the heck a Farnell is ...
[15:03] <TJ-> this thing is about 3mm x 2mm :)
[15:09] <lordievader> An IDE SSD? Isn't IDE to slow for that?
[15:15] <TJ-> They're common in Industrial equipment; the device plugs directly onto the mobo IDE socket
[15:15] <lordievader> Fancy.
[15:15] <TJ-> they avoid the power/size/weght/fragility of spinning disks
[15:16] <lordievader> Can't they do that with sata too?
[15:17] <TJ-> Yes, there are SATA versions. But these have been around for IDE systems since the 1990s
[15:18]  * BluesKaj assumes the capacities are quite low
[15:20] <TJ-> from <1GB to 256GB
[15:20] <TJ-> generally used for mostly-read-only OS installs
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:09] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> my second xenial bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1513801
[16:13] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: You'd never believe I've not yet managed to boot that mobo with the WMP600N in!
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: dont sweat mate tyt
[16:15] <TJ-> I'm not, but the mobo is supposed to boot! It refuses to USB boot, somehow it blew a PCB trace and transistor on an IDE Disk-On-Module SSD, it's own NIC only does Novell Netware boot services! ... Grrr!
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what mobo brand is that?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> that pikakuu guy has been a troll again today grrr
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> he plays the game smart, and reverses things to us
[16:17] <TJ-> Mercury Kobian PVCLE266M I think it is - has a Via C3 CPU on
[16:17] <TJ-> really? I must have missed that
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah it was this morning before you joined
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: told me not abuse the bot, after someone sweared in the channel
[16:19] <TJ-> LOL I detect some 'aspergers' hints in that character :)
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> he will make a mistake soon, and ill grab him
[16:20] <OerHeks> I'll ignore him and some other trolls. there has been a wave of trolls lately
[16:21] <OerHeks> ( and you'll find them making jokes in #u-o )
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah indeed, but the problem is OerHeks if you ignore, other users have a trolls mess by them
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: and that guy provides wrong info to users aswell
[16:22] <OerHeks> just type: please ignore *
[16:22] <TJ-> pleas ignore everyone :D
[16:22] <OerHeks> that will drive him mad, and warns the other users
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:23] <TJ-> I think pikapi is trying to be helpful but not aware of being too eager, and not always knowing the correct safe steps. Maybe just needs some friendly advice
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: hmm you can try it lol
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> good luck
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:24] <OerHeks> TJ-, he surely is trolling, does not know the basics, but know too much about unusual requests.
[16:25] <TJ-> that's why I sense aspergers hints
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> mental irc
[16:25] <TJ-> focus on narrow areas with amazing ability but something slightly different throws them out
[16:26] <OerHeks> well, good luck to you, fine helpers, nearly weekend.
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> yeah but 'catching' us back is a nasty trick
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> he tryed to prove daftykin1 wrong aswell
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> anyway..
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> we gonna have a new startup disk cretaor yayyyy
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> creator
[16:28] <TJ-> yeah, it's called 'dd'
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:29] <TJ-> I don't know what the entire issue with those tools is. why not just write the image plain and simple rather than messing about with an intermediate boot-loader
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> its gui and nice for the masses
[16:30] <TJ-> No argument about GUI ... but why not just 'choose ISO', 'choose target', 'write'
[16:31] <TJ-> as in, no trying to insert an additional boot-manager in between the firmware and the ISO contents, since the ISO is hybrid bootable anyhow
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> true
[16:32] <TJ-> I think those tools have been used by mistake; they're for creating truly multiboot installations with several installers on the same device, which isn't the common use case for most users
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> i like that multisystem tool
[16:32] <TJ-> The GUI should be the file manager. Drag the ISO image onto the USB device image and done!
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: that would be nice
[16:33] <TJ-> It's standard drag-n-drop behaviour after all. It would just need to ask for elevated permissions
[16:33] <TJ-> If software-center can do that, so can the file manager
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: its gonne be gnome software now :p
[16:33] <TJ-> Not here it isn't!
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> looool
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> xenial kubuntu ?
[16:34] <TJ-> there seems to be some strange, unannounced, alliance with Canonical and Gnome
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: we had gnome by default on early ubuntu's right
[16:35] <TJ-> I was in the UOS UEFI boot session, and there were 3 guys there from RedHat/Gnome and all the talk was about how Gnome tooling will handle UEFI Capsule updatse
[16:35] <TJ-> Gnome is the back-end of Unity too, but not the Gnome Desktop
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> right
[16:35] <TJ-> I think the reason is Canonical has discovered the costs of going it alone on the desktop 'experience'
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> there's a lot going on these days
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> big business
[16:36] <TJ-> interesting though, I can't see how focusing on Gnome works with the Snappy/App infrastructure which is all QT (which is the underpinning of KDE). Gnome has gtk/gdk
[16:37] <TJ-> the whole point of these airy fairy 'apps' is they are effectively HTML5/CSS QT QML definitions
[16:38] <TJ-> and that's what the phones have, so if everything is 'converging' on that, not sure how Gnome fits in
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> snappy and phones wanna enter the scene
[16:38] <TJ-> I found the summit sessions covering it were hard to follow the logic
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> and the big cloud business of canonical
[16:40] <TJ-> right, which has nothing whatsoever in common with 'convergence' !
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> think we gonna see weird things in the future
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> and a lot of solving :p
[16:41] <TJ-> there was a discussion about this amongst the core devs the other day; the aim to have a single installer image... and the cloud folks were complaining bitterly that there was no way they wanted all the same stuff on as phones/desktop need.
[16:41] <TJ-> They were asking what is wrong with 'ubuntu-minimal', that is already supposed to be the common base
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> the more characters on the play, the more arguments will rise
[16:42] <TJ-> there was some bad tempered falling out and silence descended.
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> can imagine
[16:42] <TJ-> basically the 'suits' are saying 'we must have convergence and a single pretty Ubuntu image'
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> what happened to opensource thinking there
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> isnt the community supose to brainstorm along?
[16:43] <TJ-> It rather feels to me like Canonical is being prepared to be partially sold; possible public listing in the pipeline maybe
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> i never liked the amazon stuff
[16:44] <TJ-> supposed to - but that kind of stuff disappeared into Canonical years ago. "Community" is only a veneer now... if you don't agree you can go - see what happened to  Jonathan Riddel, founder of Kubuntu. Frozen out and 'told' to resign from the Kubuntu Community Council.
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> who knows what else we gonna see
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:50] <TJ-> I think its time I had a nap; I've worn my eyes out today staring at SMD components on PCBs
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> cant you try that plop cd
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> or cant you get a cdrom working on it neither
[16:51] <TJ-> there's no CD on that mobo, and it has previously booted from the same USB device, which is the annoying part
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> cmos clear and battery out?
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> anyway, after a good night sleep, is the best time to solve hardware issues
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> (or under the shower, my gf says)
[16:55] <TJ-> yes, tried it under the shower :D
[16:55] <TJ-> and I slept with the battery out
[17:33] <MonkeyDust> yes but no
[18:12] <fossterer> Hi! I've been using 15.10 daily builds so far. Now that 16.04 daily-builds are getting ready, is there a way for me to move to 16.04?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> fossterer, update and upgrade to make sure you have the latest packages , then sudo do release-upgrade -d , if you want to upgrade over the net or do a clean install of one of these images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:18] <BluesKaj> use this site if you're using ubuntu http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:18] <BluesKaj> fossterer,^
[18:19] <fossterer> BluesKaj: Thanks, I'm already running 15.10 daily-build isntalled. Can use 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade an installed 'daily-build' (to 16.04)?
[18:19] <fossterer> Did you ever use a daily-build?
[18:20] <BluesKaj> yes, I've used both , don't forget to use  -d at the end of the do-release, its 'd for development
[18:21] <fossterer> Great! Thanks for responding, BluesKaj!
[18:21] <BluesKaj> the daily build is great for a clean install if you have separate / and /home partitions in particular
[18:22] <fossterer> Yeah.. I have /home separately.. I use the same for LTS and daily-build installs
[18:23] <BluesKaj> cool
[18:26] <BluesKaj> yeah , i still have 14.04 on a separate partition as my stable backup OS
[18:26] <fossterer> cool... Do you do any active testing on daily-builds?
[18:28] <BluesKaj> yes this is a daily that I'm testing atm, altho I haven't seen many problems so far with 16.04, it's still basically 15.10 underneath
[18:29] <BluesKaj> but I'm a KDE guy, the ubuntu 16.04 testers are reporting basically the same experience
[18:30] <fossterer> Can I see any of the bugs you worked on/reported earlier? I started using 15.10 daily builds with the aim of participating in bug-squashing stuff
[18:31] <BluesKaj> I  rarely report bugs anymore because most of the time they're dupes, already reported
[18:31] <OerHeks> I do, when they need confirmation
[18:32] <fossterer> Can I see a sample?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go for a few mins .... paper mail etc
[18:33] <BluesKaj> check launchpad
[18:34] <fossterer> ~kaj, is that you?
[18:34] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:37] <fossterer> cool.. Thanks
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> a 16.04 xfce bug i noticed, unable to login with the guest account
[18:42] <OerHeks> Delay release !
[18:42] <OerHeks> :-D
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> critical error
[20:13] <OerHeks> MonkeyDust :-D
[21:28] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[21:28] <OerHeks> hey paul
[23:44] <TJ-> grrr, found another vulnerable BIOS flash tool. AMI again. Surpised - not.