[04:45] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:18] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:29] <magespawn> good morning
[06:38] <pieter2627> hi Cryterion magespawn
[07:00] <theblazehen> Hi guys
[07:00] <theblazehen> My ip changed, and now I'm on a blacklist :/
[07:00] <theblazehen> Really glad that ssh -D is a thing
[07:36] <Squirm> Hello
[07:39]  * Squirm prods Trixar_za
[07:39] <Squirm> How is everyone
[07:39] <Squirm> ?
[07:40] <theblazehen> Sup Squirm, good and you?
[07:40] <Squirm> Doing well
[07:40] <Squirm> Feels like I haven't been here for a while
[07:41] <theblazehen> Neither have I
[07:42] <magespawn> hey Squirm theblazehen 
[07:42] <Squirm> magespawn
[07:42] <theblazehen> sup magespawn 
[07:43] <magespawn> yeah the blacklisting of an ip is a pain
[07:44] <magespawn> trying to upgrade a ubuntu server from 14.04, nothing seems to work yet thoug
[07:44] <magespawn> h
[07:46] <theblazehen> magespawn: thats a LTS version right?
[07:46] <Squirm> It is
[07:46] <magespawn> yes
[07:47] <magespawn> amazon server
[07:47] <magespawn> i forget is 15.04 also lts?
[07:47] <theblazehen> You have changed from lts to normal right?
[07:47] <theblazehen> I think only every 2 years
[07:48] <theblazehen> 12.04, 14.04, 16.04 etc
[07:49] <pieter2627> yeah only every two years^^
[07:49] <pieter2627> btw, hi Squirm
[07:50] <andrewlsd> Maaz: seen Kilos
[07:50] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 9 hours, 23 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-05 14:26:06 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-05 14:26:28 PST
[07:50] <andrewlsd> Hi all
[07:50] <Squirm> Hey pieter2627
[07:50] <Squirm> hey andrewlsd
[07:50] <theblazehen> magespawn you changed it to normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades right?
[07:50] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd 
[07:50] <andrewlsd> hi Squirm theblazehen 
[07:50] <pieter2627> hi andrewlsd, did you got right with a unity8
[07:50] <andrewlsd> Minetest query, I can't remember who has the minetest server here. Any volunteers?
[07:51] <theblazehen> magespawn: I changed that and then just did do-release-upgrade
[07:51] <andrewlsd> pieter2627: nope
[07:51] <andrewlsd> pieter2627: unity8 seems like too much of a hassle just to test. That's a pity though, coz I really wanted to try it out.
[07:52] <theblazehen> I just did ^D on the ssh connection I'm using for my proxy...
[07:52] <theblazehen> Luckily it didn't close
[07:55] <andrewlsd> my favourite use of ssh is "ssh -D 3129 user@some-server"
[07:56] <andrewlsd> found #minetest-za 
[07:56] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Yeah, doing that now. Also ssh -R 0.0.0.0:1234:127.0.0.1:1234 is nice. Useful when I want to run a server for something from home
[08:02] <andrewlsd> yip, I used that yesterday to SSH to a device  behind a jumpbox, and then push the DSL router's port 80 up to a server on the 'net that the box could reach
[08:02] <andrewlsd> ie:   me  --> jumpbox --> targetbox --> external server
[08:03] <andrewlsd> targetbox pushed DSL modem port 80 --> externalserver
[08:08] <theblazehen> nice
[08:09] <andrewlsd> I mainly use the ssh -D option, with firefox set to socks proxy with remote DNS
[08:09] <andrewlsd> ... one way of watching Hulu if the remote server is in the US.
[08:10] <anton> morning all any mikrotik boffins?
[08:11] <theblazehen> Yeah. On a previous ISP we had they throttled everything severely.. Except ssh :) So ssh -D 0.0.0.0:8080, and set everything to use that :)
[08:11] <theblazehen> magespawn you know anything about it? ^
[08:38] <pieter2627> andrewlsd: have you tried the package `unity8-desktop-session-mir` - found it this morning on one UOS session?
[08:38]  * pieter2627 might try it tomorrow
[08:41] <Cryterion> andrewlsd - minetest query?
[08:42] <andrewlsd> pieter2627: will check.
[08:43] <andrewlsd> Cryterion: found #minetest-za, thanks. will ask there if necessary.
[08:43] <Cryterion> Ok kwl, me and thatgraemeguy run the Sa server
[08:44] <pieter2627> there seems to have been a problem with it removing `modemManager` but on my 15.10 it does not mention that it will do so...
[08:53] <andrewlsd> prepping a new 15.10 install to test...
[08:57] <magespawn> theblazehen: sorry about what/ got a bit distracted
[08:57] <theblazehen> magespawn: anton was asking if anyone had microtik experience
[08:57] <magespawn> i have some yes
[08:58] <anton> Thanks don't worry came right mrtg to the rescua
[08:58] <magespawn> np
[08:59] <magespawn> theblazehen: i will change that on the server setup thanks
[09:37] <magespawn> theblazehen: that has sorted it thanks
[09:40] <theblazehen> magespawn: Glad to help
[09:55] <theblazehen> I hate xorg
[09:56] <pieter2627> theblazehen: long life mir or wayland :P
[09:56] <theblazehen> pieter2627: Wayland (well actually weston) doesn't support multiple GPUs yet
[09:57] <theblazehen> Nor does the gnome and kde display servers or whatever they are in wayland
[09:57] <pieter2627> oh
[09:57] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: 5 monitors isn't exactly a normal use-case.
[09:57] <theblazehen> Yeah
[09:57] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: True..
[09:58] <theblazehen> I'm gonna get some more next year :)
[09:58] <pieter2627> hey it's an odd case
[09:58] <andrewlsd> 3 x 3 monitor grid.
[09:58]  * pieter2627 intended the pun
[09:58] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: build a video wall.
[09:58] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Yeah. I can run 11 off my current setup
[09:58] <theblazehen> That's the plan :) But 4x4 instead
[09:59] <theblazehen> Probably gonna go with 1366x768 monitors. Cheap, and I'll be able to see stuff well from a distance
[09:59] <andrewlsd> my neighbour has 4 set up in a "cross" configuration for his flight-sim.  ie, left-middle , centre-middle, right-middle and then centre-top and centre-bottom above and
[10:00] <andrewlsd> (for when he's not using is Occulus)
[10:01] <theblazehen> I count 5?
[10:01] <theblazehen> 6*
[10:08] <theblazehen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww
[10:08] <theblazehen> ^ 
[10:08] <theblazehen> Uptime Funk - (Uptown Funk parody)
[10:14] <andrewlsd> ^  absolutely brilliant
[10:15] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: have you seen the linux sucks talks?
[10:17] <andrewlsd> nope
[10:17] <theblazehen> They're really great
[10:20] <andrewlsd> the Maroon 5 parody is epic too
[10:21] <theblazehen> Got a link?
[10:22] <magespawn> theblazehen: pretty cool
[10:26] <andrewlsd> the Maroon 5 parody: https://youtu.be/M9bq_alk-sw
[10:26] <theblazehen> ty
[10:31] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: yeah, that's cool
[10:46] <theblazehen> What is the use of 16 GiB of RAM when you are only using 2.62 GiB with a torrent client, file manager, vlc, libreoffice, 13 firefox tabs..
[10:54] <theblazehen> https://github.com/kristopolous/bash-org-tools/tree/master/fortune fortune files for bash.org if anyone wants
[11:39] <MaNI> an intelligent OS would still use the other 14 gb to cache disk files and other things which can improve performance
[11:40] <MaNI> but that said if all you do is browse, edit word documents and pirate/watch movies than 16gb is probably overkill
[11:43] <theblazehen> MaNI: Yeah, it does
[11:43] <theblazehen> 8.1 GB in cache. 1GB as VRAM
[11:44] <theblazehen> and 4.4GB free
[11:57] <theblazehen> MaNI: And i do use it for VMs etc. Back in 2013 I was virtualizing EVERYTHING - 24GB ram, ran freenas, puppet master, torrent vm, media server vm, win 8 vm, win xp vm, and a VM for my desktop - Connected to my vm desktop with x2go as that was faster then using my netbook directly
[11:57] <theblazehen> and another VM for some AI / machine learning experiments
[11:59] <theblazehen> Actually no, then I only had 16 GB RAM
[12:00] <theblazehen> Once I get a gpu I'll set up another PC with 12 GB that I'm not using (1333 MHz, main pc runs 1600 MHz) so that I can use virtualgl with it for gaming
[12:04] <MaNI> why not use the same machine - with an extra gpu and kvm vga passthrough?
[12:07] <theblazehen> Because then I'd need to connect another PCIe riser for my 1 gpu so that I can add my new gpu in the 16x speed slot. And it took lots of time getting the setup to work how it is now. And right now I;m stuck running nouveau as the "broken" GPU I got only runs with nouveau, and the other gpu of mine isn't supported by nvidia driver any more. And afaik you need to connect a display directly to the VMs gpu?
[12:07] <theblazehen> I'd rather use the nvidia driver on the other pc
[12:07] <theblazehen> Also, all my games run in wine
[12:08] <theblazehen> Running my onboard HD4600 + GTX550Ti ("broken") + GT210 at the moment
[12:09] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/a/uVHYy my old setup. I just removed the laptop as a display
[12:20] <magespawn> how to issue commands to a remote instance of byobu when connected to it from ssh in a local byobu?
[12:21] <theblazehen> magespawn: http://askubuntu.com/questions/102640/how-do-i-send-a-literal-f6-etc-in-byobu this help?
[13:12] <magespawn> let me check
[13:14] <magespawn> yes thanks, more learning, i have use the unbound key stroks
[13:35] <magespawn> chat late
[13:35] <magespawn> later
[13:43] <Kilos> afternoon all
[13:44] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos 
[13:49] <anton> afternoon & ciao time to tackle the traffic back home
[13:56] <pieter2627> hey Kilos
[13:56]  * pieter2627 wbbl
[14:03] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: make sure whatever machine you want to use supports that PCI passthrough.
[14:04] <andrewlsd> I was hoping to do that with mine, and my hardware does not do MMU, or something.
[14:04] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: I wont be using a VM, it's basically X11 forwarding that I will be doing
[14:05] <theblazehen> VirtualGL runs a Xorg server and it intercepts OpenGL calls and passes it through to the X server, then sends the image to your computer
[14:05] <theblazehen> But my board does support VT-d
[14:05] <andrewlsd> oh.
[14:06] <andrewlsd> yeah mine does VT, but not  intel_iommu
[14:06] <theblazehen> Although I could also run windows server, with HyperV and RemoteFX then rdp into the vm
[14:06] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: So VT-x then?
[14:06] <theblazehen> Mine has the iommu. Used it in the past
[14:10] <theblazehen> I basically run the game with X11 forwarding, but the graphics are rendered on the pc running the game
[14:12] <theblazehen> Although I could put the gpu in my main pc, set it up so I can use PRIME. I'll just need more space to put another gpu, as I have one in my x16 slot at the moment, so I'll need another x1 to x16 riser and space to put it
[14:24] <andrewlsd> rebooting to test iommu stuff :-)
[14:53] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: my CPU is i7-4710MQ, which according to ark.intel.com does not do VT-d
[14:53] <andrewlsd> http://ark.intel.com/products/78931/Intel-Core-i7-4710MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz?q=i7-4710MQ
[14:53] <andrewlsd> :-(
[14:54] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos, long time no see
[14:54] <Kilos> wasnt i here yesterday andrewlsd ?
[14:54] <Kilos> hehe
[14:54] <andrewlsd> ;-)
[14:54] <Kilos> hows things by you
[14:54] <andrewlsd> just not this morning.
[14:54] <Kilos> aha
[14:55] <andrewlsd> good ty, U?
[14:55] <Kilos> im sukkeling with online banking and stuffs
[14:55] <Kilos> im good ty
[14:55] <andrewlsd> just came back from SARS, 
[14:56] <Kilos> you owe the or they owe you?
[14:56] <andrewlsd> They owe me, had to go hand in supporting documentation.
[14:56] <Kilos> nice
[14:57] <andrewlsd> (had to do it last year too. Seems to be SOP for home office claims)
[14:57] <Kilos> as long as you get back its worth it
[14:58] <Kilos> to go stand there and have to pay in would be worse
[15:01] <Cryterion> Kilos, what bank do you use?
[15:02] <Kilos> ive opened an absa account
[15:02] <Cryterion> andrewlsd: SARS - south african robbing service, is it's true name btw
[15:03] <Kilos> and when we want to put money in using paypal only fnb has that option
[15:03] <Cryterion> oh, I fight with std all the time, they always f-up
[15:03] <andrewlsd> FNB seems to be best so far, but I haven't used Capitec yet
[15:03] <Cryterion> I've Never had a problem with Nedbank
[15:03] <Kilos> when you do a bank to bank transfer from aus to here they rip you off with costs
[15:04] <andrewlsd> Cryterion: at least the service is good :-) they rob you quickly, efficiently and with a smile
[15:04] <Cryterion> yeah, true
[15:04] <Kilos> cost near 1k to transfer 5k
[15:04] <Kilos> what a ripoff
[15:04] <Cryterion> ouch
[15:04] <Kilos> and its all done on pcs
[15:05] <Cryterion> use bitcoins
[15:05] <andrewlsd> Cryterion: nedbank lost my wife's money a few years ago. Took them 9 months to return it to us. So I won't use them. Plus, they're probably the most un-opensource-friendly. With FNB at the opposite end of that spectrum.
[15:05] <Kilos> one would swear they have to fly here with the cash
[15:06] <Kilos> fnb has also only recently started the paypal link
[15:06] <Kilos> they all thieves
[15:06] <andrewlsd> Kilos: I think so too.
[15:06] <Cryterion> yeah, they are
[15:07] <Kilos> how can it cost 1k to send 5k
[15:07] <Kilos> and that was to std bank here
[15:07] <Cryterion> std bank, it costs me R4-5 everytime I swipe the card now, even their staff can't action things correctly at a branch
[15:08] <Kilos> and they charge to put money in and to draw the same money
[15:08] <Kilos> swines
[15:08] <Cryterion> import tax probably, sars
[15:09] <Kilos> paypal seems the only viable solution
[15:09] <andrewlsd> cheerio all. It's weekend at last.  :-)
[15:09] <Kilos> cheers andrewlsd 
[15:09] <Kilos> have a good one
[15:09] <Cryterion> paypal does work, I do know that, not sure on the costs on receiving money though
[15:10] <Cryterion> cheers andrewlsd
[15:14] <Cryterion> Anyone know a little bit on sorting out SSL certificates?
[15:49] <Kilos> Cryterion the pro knows
[15:50] <Kilos> lemme try do it here and see how well i foorgot
[15:50] <Kilos> you mean here with irc hey?
[15:53] <Kilos> Cryterion i think you need to change the port number
[15:53] <Kilos> didnt work here either
[15:53] <Kilos> we try at 8.30 tonight if pro available
[17:56] <magespawn> good evening
[18:04] <theblazehen> Cryterion: You heard about the mozilla ssl certs?
[18:04] <theblazehen> Lets encrypt
[18:18] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:27] <theblazehen> Somehow application won't launch because they can't create a window in xorg.. Tels me to see if $DISPLAY is set.. Sure is. Weird. Reboot fixed it
[18:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[18:32] <Kilos> hi there inetpro 
[18:32] <theblazehen> Hi inetpro, Kilos 
[18:32] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, kids been keeping me busy in the evening this week 
[18:33] <Kilos> np
[18:33] <inetpro> hi theblazehen, nice to see you in action again 
[18:34] <theblazehen> Glad to be back :) Plan to stick around this time
[18:37] <Kilos> good lad
[18:47] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[18:47] <Kilos> ty sir
[18:49] <Kilos> all good inetpro ?
[18:50] <Kilos> apart from tired of course
[18:50] <theblazehen> Maaz tell MaNI I see you're on afrihost. We moved away fro them to crsytalweb, have you tried them out? Bit faster than afrihost for us
[18:50] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sure, I'll tell MaNI on freenode
[18:51] <Kilos> oh ty for the topic change inetpro 
[18:51] <MaNI> I use the works ADSL not my call, but afrihost working okay :p
[18:51] <Maaz> MaNI: By the way, theblazehen on freenode told me "tell MaNI I see you're on afrihost. We moved away fro them to crsytalweb, have you tried them out? Bit faster than afrihost for us" 1 minute and 15 seconds ago
[18:51] <Kilos> haha
[18:51] <theblazehen> Ah cool
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: say thanks to piet[tab] 
[18:53] <Kilos> aha
[18:53] <inetpro> he be the driving force 
[18:55] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[18:57] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[18:57] <inetpro> something seems very wrong with neology's mirror
[18:57] <magespawn> have you been using your amazon instance?
[18:57] <inetpro> have sent a mail to the maintainer, hopefully he will sort it out asap
[18:59] <inetpro> magespawn: our QA bot in #ubuntu-africa has been running on AWS all this time
[18:59]  * inetpro needs to check the date when starting the host
[18:59] <magespawn> cool beans, i have just been running practice exercises on my one
[19:00] <inetpro> will probably expire one of these days already
[19:00] <magespawn> i think mine has about 4 months left of the free service
[19:23] <magespawn> okay what happened there?
[19:24] <Kilos> haha
[19:24] <Kilos> ya inetpro neology sick since yesterday
[19:25] <theblazehen> I wish people would read man pages... 
[19:25] <Kilos> i hate man pages
[19:25] <theblazehen> Spent hours helping this guy in #archlinux
[19:26] <magespawn> theblazehen: your good deed for the day
[19:26] <theblazehen> Yeah :)
[19:26] <theblazehen> Hate xorg though..
[19:26] <theblazehen> And this guy insists on using linux-libre -won't even test with normal linux
[19:26] <theblazehen> And he lives in a tty.. In emacs
[19:26] <magespawn> i did not even know that they existed when i first started with ubuntu
[19:27] <magespawn> and you had to help him?
[19:27] <theblazehen> Yeah, in my first few years I just read the gnome docs that came with 8.04
[19:27] <theblazehen> Nah, I was just procrastinating on studying
[19:28] <magespawn> mmm, and now/
[19:28] <magespawn> ?
[19:28] <theblazehen> Now, I juts give up..
[19:28] <magespawn> right
[19:28] <theblazehen> He's asking how to list packages that match a name.. 1 min in a man page, lol
[19:33] <inetpro> oops magespawn, that was me choosing the wrong channel when trying to help Kilos in #ubuntu-africa 
[19:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:33] <magespawn> no worries
[19:36] <Kilos> what a schlep
[19:50] <Cryterion> maaz: is coffee on
[19:50] <Maaz> Cryterion: Excuse me?
[19:51] <Cryterion> maaz: stock the fridge with beer then
[19:51] <Maaz> Cryterion: Excuse me?
[19:51] <Cryterion> maaz: make some coffee
[19:51] <Maaz> Cryterion: Huh?
[19:53] <Cryterion> maaz: coffee
[19:53] <Maaz> Cryterion: coffee is liquid code
[19:53] <Cryterion> maaz: so is java
[19:53] <Maaz> Cryterion: One learns a new thing every day
[19:53] <Cryterion> maaz: you don't know how to learn
[19:53] <Maaz> Cryterion: Huh?
[19:54] <Cryterion> maaz: huh?
[19:54] <Maaz> Cryterion: *blink*
[19:54] <theblazehen> Cryterion: https://github.com/spion/triplie-ng if you're looking for conversation :)
[19:54] <gremble> Good evening
[19:54] <Cryterion> evening guys
[19:54] <theblazehen> hi gremble 
[19:55] <gremble> Hey theblazehen 
[19:55] <gremble> Hey Cryterion 
[19:55] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[19:55] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[19:56] <theblazehen> "Doing this all day leaves you in a state of mild aphasia as you look at people's faces while they're speaking and you don't know they've finished because there's no semicolon"
[19:56] <Cryterion> was just playing with maaz, can never seem to get him to make coffee, he always does that to me lol
[19:56] <gremble> You're coding in C?
[19:56] <theblazehen> gremble: php ;)
[19:57] <theblazehen> jk. Got it from http://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks
[19:57]  * gremble shivers
[19:57] <gremble> Haha :P
[19:57] <Cryterion> c also has the ;
[19:57] <theblazehen> Yeah
[19:57] <theblazehen> Python too, if you *really* want to
[19:57] <gremble> I'm trying to write a simple commandline parser in haskell. I think I am to dumb for programming languages xD
[19:58] <theblazehen> Try this in the python REPL: "from __future__ import braces"
[19:58] <theblazehen> :)
[19:58] <Cryterion> last link reminds me of a Internet Explorer error, "Error, the command completed successfully!"
[19:59] <theblazehen> Yeah, I've seen that (not irl though)
[20:00] <Cryterion> not url either, on screen, win95
[20:00] <theblazehen> Ouch :(
[20:00] <theblazehen> 98SE 4 life
[20:01] <theblazehen> Longhorn was actually quite nice. What vista should have been
[20:01] <theblazehen> Only windows version that I really liked
[20:03] <Cryterion> 95C was the most stable, but 98SE 4 was close
[20:03] <gremble> I thought longhorn wasn't released? It was the codename for 7 or something?
[20:03] <theblazehen> gremble: codename for vista, yeah
[20:03] <gremble> Yes, vista wasn't nice :P
[20:03] <theblazehen> Ran the beta before vista was released for a year or two
[20:03] <gremble> Oh alright
[20:04] <theblazehen> gremble: Due to the fact that they ran late, and had to rush the final product. Longhorn still had the good features before they were ripped out of vista
[20:04] <Cryterion> I stayed away from vista, jumped most systems from 95C to 98SE then XP
[20:04] <gremble> The only reason I used windows from time to time these days is because I have to do editing using word. LibreOffice is not doing very well on its trackchanges and review features :<
[20:05] <theblazehen> Yeah, got a window vm just for that
[20:05] <gremble> Why did they have to rip features out to make a deadline?
[20:05] <theblazehen> http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/windows-longhorn-still-the-most-exciting-windows-ui-to-date/ :)
[20:05] <theblazehen> Because they weren't ready for normal users yet, etc
[20:05] <gremble> Oh alright
[20:05] <Cryterion> Libre works fine for me, some stuff no longer there which was only usefull for people at that time
[20:06] <gremble> I'm quite keen on my current UI. Openbox with numix and plank
[20:06] <theblazehen> gremble: Numix is nice. Have you tried the arc themes?
[20:06] <theblazehen> Did you see my setup I posted?
[20:07] <gremble> You posted your setup?
[20:07] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/a/uVHYy old setup http://i.imgur.com/BJ1m5Xw.jpg current
[20:07] <theblazehen> Yeah
[20:07] <gremble> I haven't tried the arc themes. I'm not entirely one for ricing. This just came with antegros :P
[20:08] <theblazehen> Antergos is nice :) Had that on desktop, and running it on laptop nice
[20:08] <theblazehen> Can't really do it on desktop, because gnome doesn't like running with RandR providers and stuff...
[20:09] <gremble> Your board is going to collect so much dust :<
[20:09] <gremble> Well, the old setup
[20:09] <theblazehen> It does..
[20:09] <theblazehen> new setup is the same, just not using laptop as a display now
[20:11] <gremble> I have two screens atm, my laptop (the computer that I am using since my desktop's HDD is still fried) and a 23" (iirc)
[20:11] <theblazehen> Cool. maybe PXE boot the desktop, with an image on the laptop?
[20:12] <theblazehen> just load pxelinux and a kernel on a usb, then use root as a nfs / nbd mount
[20:12] <gremble> No real point to doing that, since everything that the desktop was useful for was on that HDD :P
[20:12] <theblazehen> yeah.. :/
[20:13] <gremble> So when I get a new HDD, I'll make the desktop useful again
[20:13] <theblazehen> Yeah
[20:13] <gremble> but they've become quite expensive
[20:13] <theblazehen> What size you looking for?
[20:13] <theblazehen> My WD10EZEX is around 750 for 1TB. Performs well
[20:14] <gremble> Smallest you get these days is 1TB so probably that
[20:14] <theblazehen> Boots in 19 seconds
[20:14] <gremble> But the places around here doesn't seem to have those. Not 7200 rpm at least
[20:14] <theblazehen> Ah, you're not in SA right?
[20:14] <theblazehen> Europe somewhere?
[20:14] <gremble> No, I'm in Pretoria
[20:14] <gremble> We've met
[20:14] <gremble> :P
[20:15] <theblazehen> Ah, yeah :)
[20:15] <theblazehen> wootware.co.za is great. Cheap too
[20:16] <gremble> Yes, this is nice. Thanks theblazehen 
[20:17] <theblazehen> Spent over 50k there :)
[20:17] <theblazehen> When me and my dad were into bitcoin mining
[20:18] <gremble> Ooh, they have a nice cheap T440P thinkpad :<
[20:18] <theblazehen> nice. I hate most laptop keyboards.. Can hardly ever push Super + shift with one finger
[20:19] <theblazehen> Got a K70 mechanical keyboard with MX Blues now :)
[20:19] <theblazehen> Cost me 2 grand.. Worth it
[20:19] <gremble> Nice. One day when I am rich I'll get a mechanical keyboard
[20:19] <theblazehen> Yeah, you'll never go back to normal..
[20:19] <gremble> I'm not to averse to my Compaq 6510b's keyboard
[20:20] <gremble> Better than the desktop's for sure
[20:20] <theblazehen> My old keyboard was made like 15 years ago. Pretty decent. But not as good as this one :) 2nd best keyboard I've ever used
[20:26] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:26] <theblazehen> night Kilos 
[20:27] <gremble> I'm sitting here looking at a haskell repository and wondering if I shouldn't instead rewrite it in python :<
[20:27] <theblazehen> Yeah, python ftw
[20:28] <gremble> I hate having to decide which programming language to use haha because I am never sure which would be better for the scope of the project
[20:28] <gremble> XD
[20:29] <gremble> Also, it is probably because I am an excellent bikeshedder
[20:29] <theblazehen> Yeah. I tend to normally go for python.. Even for things that it's a bad idea for...
[20:30] <theblazehen> Yes! Just discovered that I lost the code I was just thinking about :)
[20:30] <gremble> Always nice to discover that code is lost
[20:30] <theblazehen> yeah
[20:30] <gremble> Should've used version control
[20:30] <gremble> :P
[20:30] <theblazehen> No thanks
[20:35] <theblazehen> night guys
[20:36] <gremble> Night