[04:45] morning all [06:18] Mornings [06:29] good morning [06:38] hi Cryterion magespawn [07:00] Hi guys [07:00] My ip changed, and now I'm on a blacklist :/ [07:00] Really glad that ssh -D is a thing [07:36] Hello [07:39] * Squirm prods Trixar_za [07:39] How is everyone [07:39] ? [07:40] Sup Squirm, good and you? [07:40] Doing well [07:40] Feels like I haven't been here for a while [07:41] Neither have I [07:42] hey Squirm theblazehen [07:42] magespawn [07:42] sup magespawn [07:43] yeah the blacklisting of an ip is a pain [07:44] trying to upgrade a ubuntu server from 14.04, nothing seems to work yet thoug [07:44] h [07:46] magespawn: thats a LTS version right? [07:46] It is [07:46] yes [07:47] amazon server [07:47] i forget is 15.04 also lts? [07:47] You have changed from lts to normal right? [07:47] I think only every 2 years [07:48] 12.04, 14.04, 16.04 etc [07:49] yeah only every two years^^ [07:49] btw, hi Squirm [07:50] Maaz: seen Kilos [07:50] andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 9 hours, 23 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-05 14:26:06 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-05 14:26:28 PST [07:50] Hi all [07:50] Hey pieter2627 [07:50] hey andrewlsd [07:50] magespawn you changed it to normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades right? [07:50] hi andrewlsd [07:50] hi Squirm theblazehen [07:50] hi andrewlsd, did you got right with a unity8 [07:50] Minetest query, I can't remember who has the minetest server here. Any volunteers? [07:51] magespawn: I changed that and then just did do-release-upgrade [07:51] pieter2627: nope [07:51] pieter2627: unity8 seems like too much of a hassle just to test. That's a pity though, coz I really wanted to try it out. [07:52] I just did ^D on the ssh connection I'm using for my proxy... [07:52] Luckily it didn't close [07:55] my favourite use of ssh is "ssh -D 3129 user@some-server" [07:56] found #minetest-za [07:56] andrewlsd: Yeah, doing that now. Also ssh -R 0.0.0.0:1234:127.0.0.1:1234 is nice. Useful when I want to run a server for something from home [08:02] yip, I used that yesterday to SSH to a device behind a jumpbox, and then push the DSL router's port 80 up to a server on the 'net that the box could reach [08:02] ie: me --> jumpbox --> targetbox --> external server [08:03] targetbox pushed DSL modem port 80 --> externalserver [08:08] nice [08:09] I mainly use the ssh -D option, with firefox set to socks proxy with remote DNS [08:09] ... one way of watching Hulu if the remote server is in the US. [08:10] morning all any mikrotik boffins? [08:11] Yeah. On a previous ISP we had they throttled everything severely.. Except ssh :) So ssh -D 0.0.0.0:8080, and set everything to use that :) [08:11] magespawn you know anything about it? ^ [08:38] andrewlsd: have you tried the package `unity8-desktop-session-mir` - found it this morning on one UOS session? [08:38] * pieter2627 might try it tomorrow [08:41] andrewlsd - minetest query? [08:42] pieter2627: will check. [08:43] Cryterion: found #minetest-za, thanks. will ask there if necessary. [08:43] Ok kwl, me and thatgraemeguy run the Sa server [08:44] there seems to have been a problem with it removing `modemManager` but on my 15.10 it does not mention that it will do so... [08:53] prepping a new 15.10 install to test... [08:57] theblazehen: sorry about what/ got a bit distracted [08:57] magespawn: anton was asking if anyone had microtik experience [08:57] i have some yes [08:58] Thanks don't worry came right mrtg to the rescua [08:58] np [08:59] theblazehen: i will change that on the server setup thanks === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-za to: Ubuntu South Africa https://ubuntu-za.org | pastebin: http://bin.snyman.info | picpaste: http://pasteboard.co | Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Next Meeting: Tue, 24 November 20:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/1MCAbe8 [09:37] theblazehen: that has sorted it thanks [09:40] magespawn: Glad to help [09:55] I hate xorg [09:56] theblazehen: long life mir or wayland :P [09:56] pieter2627: Wayland (well actually weston) doesn't support multiple GPUs yet [09:57] Nor does the gnome and kde display servers or whatever they are in wayland [09:57] oh [09:57] theblazehen: 5 monitors isn't exactly a normal use-case. [09:57] Yeah [09:57] andrewlsd: True.. [09:58] I'm gonna get some more next year :) [09:58] hey it's an odd case [09:58] 3 x 3 monitor grid. [09:58] * pieter2627 intended the pun [09:58] theblazehen: build a video wall. [09:58] andrewlsd: Yeah. I can run 11 off my current setup [09:58] That's the plan :) But 4x4 instead [09:59] Probably gonna go with 1366x768 monitors. Cheap, and I'll be able to see stuff well from a distance [09:59] my neighbour has 4 set up in a "cross" configuration for his flight-sim. ie, left-middle , centre-middle, right-middle and then centre-top and centre-bottom above and [10:00] (for when he's not using is Occulus) [10:01] I count 5? [10:01] 6* [10:08] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww [10:08] ^ [10:08] Uptime Funk - (Uptown Funk parody) [10:14] ^ absolutely brilliant [10:15] andrewlsd: have you seen the linux sucks talks? [10:17] nope [10:17] They're really great [10:20] the Maroon 5 parody is epic too [10:21] Got a link? [10:22] theblazehen: pretty cool [10:26] the Maroon 5 parody: https://youtu.be/M9bq_alk-sw [10:26] ty [10:31] andrewlsd: yeah, that's cool [10:46] What is the use of 16 GiB of RAM when you are only using 2.62 GiB with a torrent client, file manager, vlc, libreoffice, 13 firefox tabs.. [10:54] https://github.com/kristopolous/bash-org-tools/tree/master/fortune fortune files for bash.org if anyone wants [11:39] an intelligent OS would still use the other 14 gb to cache disk files and other things which can improve performance [11:40] but that said if all you do is browse, edit word documents and pirate/watch movies than 16gb is probably overkill [11:43] MaNI: Yeah, it does [11:43] 8.1 GB in cache. 1GB as VRAM [11:44] and 4.4GB free [11:57] MaNI: And i do use it for VMs etc. Back in 2013 I was virtualizing EVERYTHING - 24GB ram, ran freenas, puppet master, torrent vm, media server vm, win 8 vm, win xp vm, and a VM for my desktop - Connected to my vm desktop with x2go as that was faster then using my netbook directly [11:57] and another VM for some AI / machine learning experiments [11:59] Actually no, then I only had 16 GB RAM [12:00] Once I get a gpu I'll set up another PC with 12 GB that I'm not using (1333 MHz, main pc runs 1600 MHz) so that I can use virtualgl with it for gaming [12:04] why not use the same machine - with an extra gpu and kvm vga passthrough? [12:07] Because then I'd need to connect another PCIe riser for my 1 gpu so that I can add my new gpu in the 16x speed slot. And it took lots of time getting the setup to work how it is now. And right now I;m stuck running nouveau as the "broken" GPU I got only runs with nouveau, and the other gpu of mine isn't supported by nvidia driver any more. And afaik you need to connect a display directly to the VMs gpu? [12:07] I'd rather use the nvidia driver on the other pc [12:07] Also, all my games run in wine [12:08] Running my onboard HD4600 + GTX550Ti ("broken") + GT210 at the moment [12:09] http://imgur.com/a/uVHYy my old setup. I just removed the laptop as a display [12:20] how to issue commands to a remote instance of byobu when connected to it from ssh in a local byobu? [12:21] magespawn: http://askubuntu.com/questions/102640/how-do-i-send-a-literal-f6-etc-in-byobu this help? [13:12] let me check [13:14] yes thanks, more learning, i have use the unbound key stroks [13:35] chat late [13:35] later [13:43] afternoon all [13:44] Hi Kilos [13:49] afternoon & ciao time to tackle the traffic back home [13:56] hey Kilos [13:56] * pieter2627 wbbl [14:03] theblazehen: make sure whatever machine you want to use supports that PCI passthrough. [14:04] I was hoping to do that with mine, and my hardware does not do MMU, or something. [14:04] andrewlsd: I wont be using a VM, it's basically X11 forwarding that I will be doing [14:05] VirtualGL runs a Xorg server and it intercepts OpenGL calls and passes it through to the X server, then sends the image to your computer [14:05] But my board does support VT-d [14:05] oh. [14:06] yeah mine does VT, but not intel_iommu [14:06] Although I could also run windows server, with HyperV and RemoteFX then rdp into the vm [14:06] andrewlsd: So VT-x then? [14:06] Mine has the iommu. Used it in the past [14:10] I basically run the game with X11 forwarding, but the graphics are rendered on the pc running the game [14:12] Although I could put the gpu in my main pc, set it up so I can use PRIME. I'll just need more space to put another gpu, as I have one in my x16 slot at the moment, so I'll need another x1 to x16 riser and space to put it [14:24] rebooting to test iommu stuff :-) [14:53] theblazehen: my CPU is i7-4710MQ, which according to ark.intel.com does not do VT-d [14:53] http://ark.intel.com/products/78931/Intel-Core-i7-4710MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz?q=i7-4710MQ [14:53] :-( [14:54] Hi Kilos, long time no see [14:54] wasnt i here yesterday andrewlsd ? [14:54] hehe [14:54] ;-) [14:54] hows things by you [14:54] just not this morning. [14:54] aha [14:55] good ty, U? [14:55] im sukkeling with online banking and stuffs [14:55] im good ty [14:55] just came back from SARS, [14:56] you owe the or they owe you? [14:56] They owe me, had to go hand in supporting documentation. [14:56] nice [14:57] (had to do it last year too. Seems to be SOP for home office claims) [14:57] as long as you get back its worth it [14:58] to go stand there and have to pay in would be worse [15:01] Kilos, what bank do you use? [15:02] ive opened an absa account [15:02] andrewlsd: SARS - south african robbing service, is it's true name btw [15:03] and when we want to put money in using paypal only fnb has that option [15:03] oh, I fight with std all the time, they always f-up [15:03] FNB seems to be best so far, but I haven't used Capitec yet [15:03] I've Never had a problem with Nedbank [15:03] when you do a bank to bank transfer from aus to here they rip you off with costs [15:04] Cryterion: at least the service is good :-) they rob you quickly, efficiently and with a smile [15:04] yeah, true [15:04] cost near 1k to transfer 5k [15:04] what a ripoff [15:04] ouch [15:04] and its all done on pcs [15:05] use bitcoins [15:05] Cryterion: nedbank lost my wife's money a few years ago. Took them 9 months to return it to us. So I won't use them. Plus, they're probably the most un-opensource-friendly. With FNB at the opposite end of that spectrum. [15:05] one would swear they have to fly here with the cash [15:06] fnb has also only recently started the paypal link [15:06] they all thieves [15:06] Kilos: I think so too. [15:06] yeah, they are [15:07] how can it cost 1k to send 5k [15:07] and that was to std bank here [15:07] std bank, it costs me R4-5 everytime I swipe the card now, even their staff can't action things correctly at a branch [15:08] and they charge to put money in and to draw the same money [15:08] swines [15:08] import tax probably, sars [15:09] paypal seems the only viable solution [15:09] cheerio all. It's weekend at last. :-) [15:09] cheers andrewlsd [15:09] have a good one [15:09] paypal does work, I do know that, not sure on the costs on receiving money though [15:10] cheers andrewlsd [15:14] Anyone know a little bit on sorting out SSL certificates? [15:49] Cryterion the pro knows [15:50] lemme try do it here and see how well i foorgot [15:50] you mean here with irc hey? [15:53] Cryterion i think you need to change the port number [15:53] didnt work here either [15:53] we try at 8.30 tonight if pro available [17:56] good evening [18:04] Cryterion: You heard about the mozilla ssl certs? [18:04] Lets encrypt [18:18] hi magespawn [18:27] Somehow application won't launch because they can't create a window in xorg.. Tels me to see if $DISPLAY is set.. Sure is. Weird. Reboot fixed it [18:32] good mornings [18:32] hi there inetpro [18:32] Hi inetpro, Kilos [18:32] hi theblazehen [18:33] Kilos: sorry, kids been keeping me busy in the evening this week [18:33] np [18:33] hi theblazehen, nice to see you in action again [18:34] Glad to be back :) Plan to stick around this time [18:37] good lad [18:47] wb Kilos [18:47] ty sir [18:49] all good inetpro ? [18:50] apart from tired of course [18:50] Maaz tell MaNI I see you're on afrihost. We moved away fro them to crsytalweb, have you tried them out? Bit faster than afrihost for us [18:50] theblazehen: Sure, I'll tell MaNI on freenode [18:51] oh ty for the topic change inetpro [18:51] I use the works ADSL not my call, but afrihost working okay :p [18:51] MaNI: By the way, theblazehen on freenode told me "tell MaNI I see you're on afrihost. We moved away fro them to crsytalweb, have you tried them out? Bit faster than afrihost for us" 1 minute and 15 seconds ago [18:51] haha [18:51] Ah cool [18:53] Kilos: say thanks to piet[tab] [18:53] aha [18:53] he be the driving force [18:55] hey inetpro [18:57] hi magespawn [18:57] something seems very wrong with neology's mirror [18:57] have you been using your amazon instance? [18:57] have sent a mail to the maintainer, hopefully he will sort it out asap [18:59] magespawn: our QA bot in #ubuntu-africa has been running on AWS all this time [18:59] * inetpro needs to check the date when starting the host [18:59] cool beans, i have just been running practice exercises on my one [19:00] will probably expire one of these days already [19:00] i think mine has about 4 months left of the free service === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-za to: it works with a long topic as well | repeat x3 | it works with a long topic as well | repeat x2 | it works with a long topic as well | repeat x2 | it works with a long topic as well | repeat x2 | [19:23] okay what happened there? [19:24] haha [19:24] ya inetpro neology sick since yesterday [19:25] I wish people would read man pages... [19:25] i hate man pages [19:25] Spent hours helping this guy in #archlinux [19:26] theblazehen: your good deed for the day [19:26] Yeah :) [19:26] Hate xorg though.. [19:26] And this guy insists on using linux-libre -won't even test with normal linux [19:26] And he lives in a tty.. In emacs [19:26] i did not even know that they existed when i first started with ubuntu [19:27] and you had to help him? [19:27] Yeah, in my first few years I just read the gnome docs that came with 8.04 [19:27] Nah, I was just procrastinating on studying [19:28] mmm, and now/ [19:28] ? [19:28] Now, I juts give up.. [19:28] right [19:28] He's asking how to list packages that match a name.. 1 min in a man page, lol === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-za to: Ubuntu South Africa https://ubuntu-za.org | pastebin: http://bin.snyman.info | picpaste: http://pasteboard.co | Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Next Meeting: Tue, 24 November 20:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/1MCAbe8 [19:33] oops magespawn, that was me choosing the wrong channel when trying to help Kilos in #ubuntu-africa [19:33] hahaha [19:33] no worries [19:36] what a schlep [19:50] maaz: is coffee on [19:50] Cryterion: Excuse me? [19:51] maaz: stock the fridge with beer then [19:51] Cryterion: Excuse me? [19:51] maaz: make some coffee [19:51] Cryterion: Huh? [19:53] maaz: coffee [19:53] Cryterion: coffee is liquid code [19:53] maaz: so is java [19:53] Cryterion: One learns a new thing every day [19:53] maaz: you don't know how to learn [19:53] Cryterion: Huh? [19:54] maaz: huh? [19:54] Cryterion: *blink* [19:54] Cryterion: https://github.com/spion/triplie-ng if you're looking for conversation :) [19:54] Good evening [19:54] evening guys [19:54] hi gremble [19:55] Hey theblazehen [19:55] Hey Cryterion [19:55] hi gremble [19:55] Hey Kilos [19:56] "Doing this all day leaves you in a state of mild aphasia as you look at people's faces while they're speaking and you don't know they've finished because there's no semicolon" [19:56] was just playing with maaz, can never seem to get him to make coffee, he always does that to me lol [19:56] You're coding in C? [19:56] gremble: php ;) [19:57] jk. Got it from http://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks [19:57] * gremble shivers [19:57] Haha :P [19:57] c also has the ; [19:57] Yeah [19:57] Python too, if you *really* want to [19:57] I'm trying to write a simple commandline parser in haskell. I think I am to dumb for programming languages xD [19:58] Try this in the python REPL: "from __future__ import braces" [19:58] :) [19:58] last link reminds me of a Internet Explorer error, "Error, the command completed successfully!" [19:59] Yeah, I've seen that (not irl though) [20:00] not url either, on screen, win95 [20:00] Ouch :( [20:00] 98SE 4 life [20:01] Longhorn was actually quite nice. What vista should have been [20:01] Only windows version that I really liked [20:03] 95C was the most stable, but 98SE 4 was close [20:03] I thought longhorn wasn't released? It was the codename for 7 or something? [20:03] gremble: codename for vista, yeah [20:03] Yes, vista wasn't nice :P [20:03] Ran the beta before vista was released for a year or two [20:03] Oh alright [20:04] gremble: Due to the fact that they ran late, and had to rush the final product. Longhorn still had the good features before they were ripped out of vista [20:04] I stayed away from vista, jumped most systems from 95C to 98SE then XP [20:04] The only reason I used windows from time to time these days is because I have to do editing using word. LibreOffice is not doing very well on its trackchanges and review features :< [20:05] Yeah, got a window vm just for that [20:05] Why did they have to rip features out to make a deadline? [20:05] http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/windows-longhorn-still-the-most-exciting-windows-ui-to-date/ :) [20:05] Because they weren't ready for normal users yet, etc [20:05] Oh alright [20:05] Libre works fine for me, some stuff no longer there which was only usefull for people at that time [20:06] I'm quite keen on my current UI. Openbox with numix and plank [20:06] gremble: Numix is nice. Have you tried the arc themes? [20:06] Did you see my setup I posted? [20:07] You posted your setup? [20:07] http://imgur.com/a/uVHYy old setup http://i.imgur.com/BJ1m5Xw.jpg current [20:07] Yeah [20:07] I haven't tried the arc themes. I'm not entirely one for ricing. This just came with antegros :P [20:08] Antergos is nice :) Had that on desktop, and running it on laptop nice [20:08] Can't really do it on desktop, because gnome doesn't like running with RandR providers and stuff... [20:09] Your board is going to collect so much dust :< [20:09] Well, the old setup [20:09] It does.. [20:09] new setup is the same, just not using laptop as a display now [20:11] I have two screens atm, my laptop (the computer that I am using since my desktop's HDD is still fried) and a 23" (iirc) [20:11] Cool. maybe PXE boot the desktop, with an image on the laptop? [20:12] just load pxelinux and a kernel on a usb, then use root as a nfs / nbd mount [20:12] No real point to doing that, since everything that the desktop was useful for was on that HDD :P [20:12] yeah.. :/ [20:13] So when I get a new HDD, I'll make the desktop useful again [20:13] Yeah [20:13] but they've become quite expensive [20:13] What size you looking for? [20:13] My WD10EZEX is around 750 for 1TB. Performs well [20:14] Smallest you get these days is 1TB so probably that [20:14] Boots in 19 seconds [20:14] But the places around here doesn't seem to have those. Not 7200 rpm at least [20:14] Ah, you're not in SA right? [20:14] Europe somewhere? [20:14] No, I'm in Pretoria [20:14] We've met [20:14] :P [20:15] Ah, yeah :) [20:15] wootware.co.za is great. Cheap too [20:16] Yes, this is nice. Thanks theblazehen [20:17] Spent over 50k there :) [20:17] When me and my dad were into bitcoin mining [20:18] Ooh, they have a nice cheap T440P thinkpad :< [20:18] nice. I hate most laptop keyboards.. Can hardly ever push Super + shift with one finger [20:19] Got a K70 mechanical keyboard with MX Blues now :) [20:19] Cost me 2 grand.. Worth it [20:19] Nice. One day when I am rich I'll get a mechanical keyboard [20:19] Yeah, you'll never go back to normal.. [20:19] I'm not to averse to my Compaq 6510b's keyboard [20:20] Better than the desktop's for sure [20:20] My old keyboard was made like 15 years ago. Pretty decent. But not as good as this one :) 2nd best keyboard I've ever used [20:26] night all sleep tight [20:26] night Kilos [20:27] I'm sitting here looking at a haskell repository and wondering if I shouldn't instead rewrite it in python :< [20:27] Yeah, python ftw [20:28] I hate having to decide which programming language to use haha because I am never sure which would be better for the scope of the project [20:28] XD [20:29] Also, it is probably because I am an excellent bikeshedder [20:29] Yeah. I tend to normally go for python.. Even for things that it's a bad idea for... [20:30] Yes! Just discovered that I lost the code I was just thinking about :) [20:30] Always nice to discover that code is lost [20:30] yeah [20:30] Should've used version control [20:30] :P [20:30] No thanks [20:35] night guys [20:36] Night