[03:48] <mapps> yo
[05:08] <mapps> yay gotham time
[07:37] <mapps> quiet ere
[08:02] <SuperEngineer> ssssshhhh ;-)
[08:13] <SuperEngineer> Bad moment: when you right click on a file and accidentally hit "delete" instead of rename
[08:14] <SuperEngineer> Good moment: you restore file in a few secounds from last night's "Back In Time" copy :-)
[10:14] <SuperEngineer> In Flanders Fields - John McCrae, May 1915 - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13192249/
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:48] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[10:54] <bittin> morning
[16:27] <penguin42> popey: What's your boot time like - on this old core2 my boot time in W and X is pretty awful - 6.23s kernel, 46s userspace
[16:27] <diddledan> evening
[16:27] <popey> penguin42, not timed it
[16:27] <penguin42> popey: run   systemd-analyze
[16:27] <popey> oooh
[16:27] <popey> Startup finished in 23.306s (kernel) + 3min 3.314s (userspace) = 3min 26.621s
[16:27] <penguin42> wow, I thought mine was bad
[16:27] <popey> heh
[16:28] <popey> oh, i know why
[16:28] <popey> mine hangs because I had two LUKs drives and got rid of one
[16:28] <popey> I have fixed it but not rebooted since
[16:28] <penguin42> ah
[16:28] <popey> actually maybe I have rebooted since and that's not it
[16:28] <popey> is there some detail to that report?
[16:28] <penguin42> yeh there are some options where you can get it to spit out a chart
[16:29] <penguin42> systemd-analyze plot > foo.svg
[16:29] <popey> ooh
[16:29] <popey> also blame
[16:30] <penguin42> popey: also, can you do a      dmesg |grep ifup       I see a pair of segs in there (with no apparent downside)
[16:30] <popey> i see nothing
[16:30] <penguin42> hmm fun
[16:30] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13196193/ is the blame
[16:31] <diddledan> wow that's awesome
[16:31] <popey> yeah
[16:31] <penguin42> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13196209/ is mine
[16:31] <popey> not seen this before
[16:31] <penguin42> the graph is pretty as well - very much like the old bootchart
[16:32] <popey> mine is quite red
[16:32]  * penguin42 disables mysql startup and hope it wasn't needed by anything
[16:32] <diddledan> lol
[16:33]  * diddledan disables the kernel and hopes it wasn't needed :-p
[16:33] <diddledan> who is this colonel anyway?
[16:33] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/foo.svg
[16:34] <popey> (I actually upgraded to xenial 3 days ago) :D
[16:34] <diddledan> that's absolutely amazing
[16:34] <popey> wonder if the kernel stuff is it waiting on my LUKS password?
[16:34] <DJones> diddledan: They're not a full "bird" colonel, more like a NCO, "corporal" :)
[16:34] <penguin42> popey: Yeh you do get the waiting for LUKS included somewhere - but I didn't think during the kernel
[16:35] <popey> unrelated, are you still rocking the oneplus penguin42 ?
[16:35] <popey> I ordered a OnePlus X (smaller new device they do) the other day
[16:36] <diddledan> "who needs a smartphone" "not me, I need fifteen smartphones :-p"
[16:36] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, still beign good to me - not done anything to exciting to it
[16:36] <popey> good to know it's lasted well :)
[16:36] <penguin42> popey: looks like your power manager needs forceful education
[16:36] <popey> heh yeah
[16:38] <penguin42> popey: http://www.treblig.org/debug/davros.svg
[16:38] <diddledan> davros?!
[16:38] <penguin42> diddledan: This old core2 laptop that mostly just runs irc :-)
[16:39] <popey> I'll do a couple of clean boots later and see if things have improved
[16:39] <diddledan> irc!
[16:39] <diddledan> \o/
[16:39] <popey> things change a lot in 3 days on the devel release, even over a weekend
[16:40] <diddledan> I guess being immediately after release of 15.10 there's a lot changing in xerus right now?
[16:40] <diddledan> or are we calling it xenial?
[16:41] <penguin42> popey: For comparison; my f23 desktop (i7, ssd  so a lot faster)   http://www.treblig.org/debug/major.svg
[16:41] <popey> wow
[16:42] <popey> my laptop is also i7/ssd
[16:42] <popey> "Cloud edition".. really? :)
[16:42] <penguin42> popey: Oh, I don't think anyone has a clue about f edition naming
[16:42] <popey> hah
[16:42] <popey> good good
[16:43] <penguin42> popey: To be fair the core2 is running KDE, and the i7 xfce
[16:43] <penguin42> so the later part of it is probably lighter
[16:43] <popey> I'm running MATE here
[16:44] <popey> unrelated, this is worth a read http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/07/fisherman-lost-at-sea-436-days-book-extract?CMP=fb_gu
[16:45] <penguin42> popey: OK, MATE off an SSD should be up and ready a few seconds after you give your LUKS password
[16:45] <popey> yeah
[16:46] <popey> this is a year or more old install that's been upgraded and had all kinds of crap installed
[16:46] <popey> needs a cleanup
[16:46] <penguin42> popey: You might be able to find your kernel part from a dmesg, see if it sticks anyway for a while
[16:46] <popey> yeah
[19:18] <diddledan__> what exactly does apt/dpkg mean when it says "selecting previously deselected package"?
[19:18] <diddledan__> seems in wily it's evolved from "deselected" to "unselected". still rather opaque as to what it actually means tho
[19:20] <daftykins> marking it from [] to like -> [install preez!]
[19:20] <diddledan> eh? those two messages took 40 minutes to arrive in the channel? (I sent them at 18:35 and 18:36 on my other machine and this one has only just attributed them at 19:18 for both - they're also listed after contempt, SupaYoshia and Stanley_Darth joined when my other machines has them sent before those joins)
[19:21] <diddledan> daftykins, so.. it's saying "I know you asked for them to be installed but I chose not to"?
[19:22] <diddledan> like I say "apt, go install this" and it says "you said to install it, but nyer nyer. I'm going to install it when I decide!"
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> freenode was very laggy for me earlier but that's a new one
[19:26] <daftykins> diddledan: i thought it is more two tools together, dpkg does the installation whilst apt handles the database portion - so marking it to be installed is logging the desire - whilst dpkg is actioning it? might be wrong
[19:27] <diddledan> but my point is apt isn't selecting anything. _I_ selected it in the commandline and then apt tells me that it's selecting it again because it wasn't selected (by me!)
[19:27] <daftykins> that's just confirming prior state :D
[19:28] <diddledan> afaict it also says the same on stuff it's updating which I've already installed prior but has a new version
[19:28] <diddledan> it's just a pointless and silly message that makes no sense
[19:28] <diddledan> why not just say "installing X"
[19:28] <daftykins> hrmm
[19:29] <daftykins> but the real question, are you enjoying apt's progress bar? :D
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> for the same same reason mode access standby replaced the archaic on/off :-)
[19:29] <diddledan> NO! because the messages are evil! :-p
[19:29] <diddledan> mode access?
[19:32]  * zmoylan-pi realises i'm in a channel with kids who haven't read h2g2...
[19:41] <diddledan> oh dear, I've let you down, I've let geekdom down, and worse, I've let myself down
[19:43]  * penguin42 admits to only knowing the radio series
[19:53]  * zmoylan-pi is mentally preparing myself to the realisation that i'm the only one here who carries a towel...
[19:53] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: No, the radio series had the towels
[19:54] <penguin42> but, granted zmoylan-pi is a cool frood
[19:54] <diddledan> vogon poetry ftw
[19:56] <diddledan> I've decided that virgin media "super hub"s are far from super when used in routing mode
[19:56] <penguin42> oh, no they really aren't; mine is in modem mode
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> if they have to describe it as super it's obviously lacking something...
[19:56] <diddledan> I'm on a 150Mbit/s connection and getting throughput of about 15KB/s
[19:57] <penguin42> diddledan: I do see people complaining about really bad areas, there are lots of stats things you can find on the router though
[19:57] <diddledan> aye
[19:57] <diddledan> I'm switching it back to modem mode methinks
[19:59] <daftykins> i used to like those simple little box modems back in 2006 they did... none of this 'superhub' really bad attempt at a router rubbish :>
[20:00] <diddledan> yeah I wish they'd go back to providing a bridge/modem and let the consumer decide what router they want
[20:00] <tripleclones> they did remove the modem option when they first released the superhub, came after customer pressure
[20:01] <diddledan> I also wish other mainstream providers would do the same - bt have their own thingy as do sky as do EE as do TalkTalk. It means you have to pay a premium to get a service without a router
[20:01] <penguin42> diddledan: Given that it does have a modem mode I can't really complain
[20:02] <diddledan> penguin42, except if you phone to tell them about a fault they query your box and say "oh, you're in modem mode, let me fix that for you"
[20:02] <penguin42> diddledan: And since they're the only UK DOCSIS provider it's not like their is a market for it
[20:02] <penguin42> diddledan: No, I've had them be OK with it being in modem mode
[20:03] <diddledan> I've had exactly that scenario play out over the phone
[20:03] <penguin42> huh ok
[20:03] <diddledan> they've rebooted my router and turned off the modem mode before I got the chance to say no
[20:03] <penguin42> diddledan: One thing, I find the log dates on the 'Network Log' page of modem mode has the month out by one - i.e. it runs from 0..11
[20:03] <diddledan> yeah that's wonky
[20:03] <diddledan> :-p
[20:04] <penguin42> diddledan: Have you been upgraded to the new 'vivid' - i.e. speed bump; my date for that keeps slipping (about 1 month every 2 weeks)
[20:04] <diddledan> no :-(
[20:04] <penguin42> diddledan: And I see most people on the forums are saying it's going slower - I guess they haven't bumped their backend bandwidth yet
[20:05] <diddledan> the website that tells you your expected date says I've got to wait until between April and September
[20:05] <penguin42> diddledan: Ah, mine started off by telling me that I would be told when by the end of October, then it said I'd be done in November, now it's telling me I'll be told when by the end of December
[20:06] <daftykins> when i heard the UK ISPs had started making their provided gear only work on their service, that was one step too far imo
[20:06] <daftykins> like sky had firmware modified netgears for their ADSL service a few years back iirc
[20:06] <diddledan> seriously shoddy IMO - they seemed to claim that the speed bump was nationwide with a switchon of october. now it transpires they aren't ready
[20:07] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh they announced the speedbump at the same time as they put prices up
[20:07] <diddledan> daftykins they did
[20:07] <diddledan> daftykins now they have their own box which is effectively the same idea but isn't a rebadging job but an actual bespoke
[20:07] <daftykins> ah har
[20:09] <diddledan> the sky system requires a wonky dhcp request from the router which contains login details which sky won't tell you with the theory that you must use their router if they don't tell you the login detilas
[20:09] <penguin42> diddledan: Which speed grade are you on - I'm on the bottom
[20:09] <diddledan> top
[20:09] <diddledan> 152
[20:09] <penguin42> ah
[20:10] <tripleclones> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4776398837.png
[20:10]  * penguin42 wouldn't know what to do with all those bits
[20:10] <penguin42> very nice upload
[20:11] <tripleclones> thats what I had when I was on 152Mbps
[20:12] <penguin42> they're supposed to be increasing the upload for those of us on the bottom rung when they do the update; it's currently 3mbps
[20:14] <tripleclones> we could live quite happily with a smaller tier
[20:16] <penguin42> the latency on virgin is what I normally find very impressive
[20:16] <zmoylan-pi> roll on the 11-31-2015 :-P
[20:17] <penguin42> why?
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> the end of december according to the modem :-)
[20:18] <penguin42> yeh
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> thus those that besmirched virgin were banshed :-)
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> *banished
[20:34] <popey> i have a virgin media engineer coming here between 8am and 12pm
[20:34] <popey> not quite sure why, i think they think the cables are broken or something
[20:34] <popey> I do hope he doesn't use this as an excuse to push me to drop my STB
[20:36] <daftykins> gotta move with the times! :)
[20:42] <tripleclones> popey you still having issues then
[20:43] <popey> no
[20:43] <tripleclones> we had an outage last Wed/Thu but was everyone in area, think it must have been a hardware failure in the cabinets or such like
[20:54] <daftykins> VM does seem as stable as a cow balancing in a shopping trolley on top of Mr.Bean's mini
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> but we would all watch that episode...
[20:57]  * daftykins writes it and submits it to the BBC & Rowan Atkinson
[20:57] <popey> Mine is super stable
[20:57] <popey> I think I've had maybe 3 or 4 downtimes since I have been with them
[20:58] <daftykins> they used to have a lot of early hours drops back in my student days :)
[20:58] <daftykins> so if you keep sane times the majority might not be noticed
[21:16] <tripleclones> mine is stable as well, had it since we moved in 2009 and reckon we are under 5 really disruptive issues
[21:16] <tripleclones> and not many more minor niggles