[00:03] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: yep - know that one, something awry somewhere and you need to save the images to a drive then view them - should get around to reporting that one
[00:04] <flocculant> of course - what would be awesome would be people checking things BEFORE we release
[00:04] <flocculant> what can you do when 5 or 6 people check things for 1000's
[00:05] <xubuntu29w> flocculant... ok but I remember to have had the same issue 2 years ago...
[00:05] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: ok - so where is the 2 year old bug report?
[00:06] <flocculant> we try really hard to get people to join in with testing - no-one bothers
[00:06] <xubuntu29w> Iflocculant:  they could hire me as a tester...  I'm very good at messing with a operating system and discovering bugs..  :) :)
[00:06] <flocculant> what can WE do other than ask
[00:06] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: then do it
[00:06] <xubuntu29w> and how do I do it??
[00:06] <flocculant> you are actually talking to the right person - what's your LP name?
[00:06] <xubuntu29w> because I'm a beginner with Linux...
[00:07] <xubuntu29w> LP name?  sorry you pea chinese now...   loll
[00:07] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: ... means nothing at all :)
[00:07] <xubuntu29w> speak...
[00:07] <flocculant> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/
[00:08] <xubuntu29w> ahhhhhhh..  launchpad acount...  I don't have one for the moment
[00:08] <flocculant> we are always asking people to join in and test
[00:08] <flocculant> and this cycle it will get more and more
[00:08] <flocculant> perhaps we need to ask elsewhere
[00:09] <flocculant> because quite frankly - coming and mentioning things 2 weeks after a release is 2 months too late
[00:09] <flocculant> and it really is completely depressing :|
[00:09] <xubuntu29w> flocculant: ok ! but the problem is I remember to have the same issue 2 years ago with Ubuntu...
[00:10] <xubuntu29w> so It's not specific to Xubuntu
[00:10] <flocculant> ok - so once again - where is the bug report? people are not telepathic - if YOU are the one that's seen it - report it
[00:10] <xubuntu29w> ok
[00:11] <xubuntu29w> i will create a LP account
[00:11] <xubuntu29w> and will send a bug report...
[00:12] <flocculant> thank you :)
[00:12] <xubuntu29w> flocculant:  you're welcome !
[00:13] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: in response I have added a task to the XX blueprint to try and include normal users - and what they can do - and generally they will be surprised at how easily they can make things better
[00:13] <xubuntu29w> another question:  as a beginner in Linux, do you know any internet site or document which explains very well how to use Linux?
[00:13] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: Xubuntu is a Community thing - that includes everyone
[00:14] <flocculant> https://www.linux.com/learn/new-user-guides/376-linux-is-everywhere-an-overview-of-the-linux-operating-system
[00:14] <xubuntu29w> I mean.. command lines, .tar.gz files for example....
[00:14] <flocculant> http://ubuntu-manual.org/?lang=en_GB
[00:15] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: I've only used it for ~10 years, I rarely need to do anything *normal* with a command line
[00:16] <flocculant> if I could say anything for Xubuntu - then it would be - report it
[00:16] <xubuntu29w> flocculant: thanks... I like better the ubuntu manual
[00:17] <flocculant> we might say that it's design or normal - but we really do try and read all the xubuntu bugs
[00:17] <flocculant> it really is not hard to get involved at all
[00:18] <flocculant> I turned up - now I deal with the testing and QA with a bunch of people - who JUST turned up to help
[00:18] <xubuntu29w> If I report a bug and the bug is resolved after... that's fine for me !
[00:18] <flocculant> yea - so you reported it - what's the bug number?
[00:19] <xubuntu29w> I didn't do it yet...
[00:19] <xubuntu29w> first I need to creat a LP account...  :)
[00:19] <flocculant> much is generic - so we can't do anything about those - but as testers we can at least make it more known
[00:20] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: seriously - if you like Xubuntu, want to make it better - then get involved
[00:22] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: you still about?
[00:23] <xubuntu29w> yes
[00:23] <xubuntu29w> especially for this bug which pisses me off !!
[00:24] <xubuntu29w> for a long time
[00:24] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: would you be interested is some sort of session where a group of people who DO test are about to try and help you join in?
[00:24] <xubuntu29w> I will put a screenshot when I will report the bug... it will be easier
[00:24] <xubuntu29w> Yes I will...
[00:24] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: pictures paint a 10000 words ;)
[00:25] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: ok - so where do you get Xubuntu information? facebook?twitter? google? mailing lists?
[00:25] <xubuntu29w> when is the next session??
[00:26] <xubuntu29w> I only go to the xubuntu site...
[00:26] <xubuntu29w> that's all
[00:26] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: you and I are discussing it :
[00:26] <flocculant> :D
[00:27] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: so you just read whatever shows up at xubuntu.org ?
[00:27] <xubuntu29w> and I only use google if I need informations on how to do something in Xubuntu or Linux...
[00:27] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: but if you thought you could - then you would get more involved?
[00:28] <xubuntu29w> Yes I will... BUT.....
[00:28] <xubuntu29w> first I will need to know more how to do things in Linux...
[00:28] <flocculant> no
[00:29] <flocculant> no you don't
[00:29] <xubuntu29w> yes I do...
[00:29] <flocculant> what you need is to know how to say "I used this, now I use this - that seems wrong!"
[00:30] <xubuntu29w> I agree... but personaly I will feel more confident when reporting a bug if I know more about Linux and how to use it !
[00:31] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: yea - but where it falls apart is you report something then from the wrong viewpoint
[00:32] <flocculant> doing the fiddly bits comes (from my experience only) from trying to explaiin to 1 person why some thing is wrong
[00:33] <flocculant> you should NOT need to fiddle with conf files normally
[00:34] <xubuntu29w> ok
[00:35] <xubuntu29w> anyway..  whe would be the next session when a group of people who DO test are about to try and help join in?
[00:36] <xubuntu29w> when...
[00:37] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: I will try and get something set up in the next few weeks
[00:37] <xubuntu29w> ok
[00:38] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: it will show up on http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ and will get mentioned in all the social sites and both mailing lists
[00:39] <flocculant> we really are desperate to get people checking and reporting things
[00:39] <flocculant> xubuntu29w: thanks for talking to us :)
[00:39] <xubuntu29w> flocculant: no problem.... I will...
[00:40] <flocculant> :)
[00:40] <xubuntu29w> flocculant:  be ready for more work !  :) :)
[00:45] <xubuntu29w> flocculant:  sent you a messagein private
[00:59] <xubuntu29w> flocculant:  thanks for your help..
[00:59] <xubuntu29w> see you next time !
[06:24] <doctorpepper> hello.  I'm getting a message about being out of space in /boot when trying to apt-get dist-upgrade.  I have a lot of older versions of abi, initird.img, System.map, and vmlinuz.  Should I remove them?
[06:26] <doctorpepper> trying to remove them through dpkg or apt-get says tha tthey are not installed
[06:26] <Unit193> You need to get rid of a few kernels, what does  sudo apt-get autoremove  show?
[06:29] <doctorpepper> Unit193: http://pastebin.com/jDes3S8Y
[06:32] <Unit193> That's not a lot, doctorpepper.  dpkg -l | grep -e linux-image -e linux-header
[06:35] <doctorpepper> Unit193: http://pastebin.com/wEe39uQL
[06:36] <Unit193> Yeeeep, you have a few.
[06:37] <doctorpepper> Probably shouldn't have gone with the default partition setup but I was being lazy.
[06:37] <doctorpepper> Either way it would have filled up eventually.
[06:38] <Unit193> Generally, you'd keep the newest and last functional one.
[06:40] <doctorpepper> how do I go about removing them?  apt-get purge results in   "E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'vmlinuz-3.19.0-31-generic'"
[06:41] <Unit193> You don't see that on the list do you?  Just purge the packages that don't match the criteria aforementioned.
[06:48] <doctorpepper> Unit193: thanks, starting to get some space freed up
[06:48] <Unit193> \o/
[06:49] <doctorpepper> are the old ones supposed to get removed after the new one is installed?
[06:50] <Unit193> No, though on newer versions they get marked so autoremove will remove them.
[08:34] <howdystranger> Hi all. Just upgraded my desktop computer to 15.10 and now it hangs on the login screen with the rotating loading symbol
[08:34] <howdystranger> any ideas about what's going wrong?
[13:50] <amundsen> hi
[13:51] <amundsen> i'm using xub15.10 and when i updated to the last kernel, something went wrong with nvidia-prime because now i get a blank screen instead of getting to lightdm
[13:51] <amundsen> did anyone have this issue?
[17:16] <uflaig> hello everyone, memtest is missing and I dont know what to do
[17:16] <uflaig> in the grub menu
[18:23] <bn_> need some quick advice how to assign shortcut keys like Superkey + T = Terminal ?
[18:26] <mrkramps> bn_, settings → keyboard → application shortcuts
[18:27] <bn_> yes I know mrkramps
[18:27] <bn_> but I want to change for example super key + e to something else and not mousepad
[18:27] <bn_> but can't seem to find it there
[18:28] <bn_> nvm found it somewhere else
[18:28] <bn_> apparently was looking in the wrong spot
[18:28] <bn_> thanks though for the help mrkramps!
[18:29] <mrkramps> you're welcome
[20:55] <alessandro_> ho xubuntu e in fase di avvio va in stanby
[20:57] <Unit193> !it
[21:40] <SkippersBoss> evening the following error is buggung me ever since upgrading to 15.10  '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/2' failed in libnm-glib.
[21:42] <SkippersBoss> Google search mentions a work around. Delete the existing entry reboot, select the ap and fill in key but i just want network manager to apply the key him self. any one a solution ??
[22:13] <JohnnyComeL8ly> SkippersBoss, I think you should do what works, and leave it at that.
[22:13] <JohnnyComeL8ly> (My 2 cents.... ^^^)
[22:24] <dixie7z_> hey guys, i have a problem with workspaces and applications staying in fixed/right positions after restart or shutdown... I googled it, a as it turns out there was a feature in previous versions that could remember on what position was app after restarting with saving the session... but it was buggy and was removed. How do you save your workspace.... I'm tired of shutting down every app and turning it back on after restart. I have 8 gi
[22:24] <dixie7z_> gs of ram so i usually just leave every app open. I use 14.04 LTS
[22:33] <JohnnyComeL8ly> dixie7z_, I think that is still a part of Xubuntu.
[22:34] <dixie7z_> JohnnyComeL8ly, well maybe but after saving the session every app locates itself on first workspace so i need to manually put it right back on right workspace
[22:35] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Check box "Save session for future logins" right on the power off menu (accessible from the "Whisker menu").
[22:35] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Oh, I think I see the problem....
[22:43] <dixie7z_> JohnnyComeL8ly, after googling a little bit more I think I found the solution http://superuser.com/questions/625529/xubuntu-session-issues-multiple-windows-positioning-workspaces
[22:43] <dixie7z_> devilspie
[22:47] <dixie7z_> brb
[22:58] <xubuntu12w> I Like Umbunu, didn't know there were other distros. I have a friend that has a really old 16 bit DOS program. Which distro of Umbuntu is the best?
[23:00] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu12w, you might try FreeDOS.
[23:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> http://www.freedos.org/
[23:02] <knome> actually, i would just use the dosbox emulator for running dos apps
[23:03] <knome> that way you don't need to install a complete OS
[23:03] <Unit193> OMF2097!
[23:03] <xubuntu12w> Here is my status. I purchased a new computer and tried to back it down to windows 10 32 bit. No Go. I bought an old bare bones box. My Windows 10 32 bit came on a flash drive. The old box will not boot from the flash drive. Now I am thinking Linux may be a better solution. Which Linux should I start with. Again I like Umbuntu.
[23:04] <knome> xubuntu12w, just a note that it is "ubuntu" not "umbuntu"
[23:05] <knome> xubuntu12w, and there usually isn't an objective answer for "best" questions
[23:05] <knome> xubuntu12w, and since you are asking on the xubuntu channel, might i ask what do you expect us to answer...?
[23:06] <xubuntu12w> yup, noted, my typing skills have a lot to be desired
[23:06] <Unit193> knome: FreeBSD?
[23:06] <knome> Unit193, silly, of course it would be slackware
[23:08] <xubuntu12w> Can I or should I use any Linux OS or can Dosbox boot on its own and print the output I want. I was thinking I would have to have some sort of OS first.
[23:10] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu12w, Just use Xubuntu... and then if that doesn't work... try FreeDOS.
[23:10] <JohnnyComeL8ly> If you are using Xubuntu, all the more reason to try to just use the emu.
[23:10] <xubuntu12w> thanks, got it, awesome
[23:10] <xubuntu12w> bye
[23:11] <knome> xubuntu12w, dosbox needs a host os, but it works with windows too, for example