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mappstired;]02:14
mappswatched 2 films today heh man from uncle and knock knock02:15
mappshard day:)02:15
mappsquiet time eh03:13
diploMorning all09:23
popeyyes09:30
davmor2Morning all09:38
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Freedom Day! 😃09:40
davmor2JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU  seems apt09:48
JamesTaitdavmor2, +109:50
foobarryhow can i check in perl if a variable doesn't contain special characters?09:53
foobarryi'm chomping lines from a log that sometimes have weird chars like  ��09:54
davmor2foobarry: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha09:54
foobarryoh :(09:55
davmor2foobarry: perl's doc base is meant to be really good you can check there other than that someone must still use perl ;)09:55
foobarryi think i just need a regexp to check for regaular alphanumeric+punctuiations09:56
foobarryif ($str =~ /[^!-~\s]/g){print "Non-ASCII character found"}09:57
foobarrymaybe that will do it09:57
davmor2foobarry: http://perldoc.perl.org/perlunicode.html that might help you09:57
foobarrydavmor2: the regexp fixed it for me10:01
davmor2foobarry: :)10:01
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:18
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:24
bigcalmo/10:26
brobostigonhi bigcalm10:27
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daftykinsaww my favourite tamed telco engineer is retiring in 4 weeks :(12:14
daftykinsgreat having a direct line to get stuff sorted :D12:17
zmoylan-piwas... it WAS great having a direct line to get stuff sorted :-)12:19
daftykins;_; too soon!12:19
daftykinsjust got a nice USB 3.0 UASP capable 2.5" SATA enclosure :D12:19
daftykinsalso 4 x 8GB USB 2.0 flash drives for £8 \o/12:20
daftykinstrying out doing a straight up cp of an ubuntu ISO straight onto the /dev/sdX now, not tried it before12:20
popeycp?12:22
popeynot dd?12:22
popeyooh, lunch time12:22
daftykinsindeed! sure enough it works perfecto12:29
daftykinssudo cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX12:29
daftykinsa quick "sync" after to be sure, and hey presto12:29
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popeyAnyone else use privacy badger13:29
popey?13:29
foobarrynope13:31
foobarryuse adblock13:31
zmoylan-pii have it installed in firefox atm13:32
daftykinsublock origin is a lot leaner than adblock13:32
foobarrydaftykins: how?13:32
daftykinsits' implementation is just better, give it a try13:32
foobarry"This extension does not work at all in FF42. Everything is allowed now. Examples being google-analytics, scorecardresearch, facebook, etc. Everything is set to allow."13:32
zmoylan-pibut be careful to use ublock origin and not the other version of ublock13:32
daftykinsplus it has none of the bribery whitelisting that adblock has.13:32
foobarry^^ someone moanuing about badger in ff13:32
foobarryresponse: If you've installed a new version of it, it will take some time for Privacy Badger to re-build its hueristics. You may find that soon many of these trackers will be blocked (once they've been spotted on a few sites)13:33
zmoylan-piseems to be working/reporting trackers on firefox 42 here ok13:33
foobarryothers moaning that it breaks sites13:34
foobarrycss issues13:35
diddledanif it just blocks shared assets then I wonder how it copes with things like the javascript cdn?13:39
diddledanspecifically https://cdnjs.com/13:39
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Laneybooked a dentist checkup for 8.30 on thursday15:33
LaneyWHY15:33
diddledanthat's way too early15:34
diddledanyou'll have to not sleep! :-p15:34
zmoylan-piflannel pyjamas soak up lots of blood... :-P15:34
diddledanok. what's "ubuntu personal"?15:35
diddledanteh googs isn't helping much on the term15:35
davmor2diddledan: snappy based phone and desktop15:35
davmor2diddledan: infact just generally phone and desktop15:36
diddledanwhy do we need a different name?15:36
popeydeb vs not-deb based15:36
diddledanhmm15:37
SuperMattthat's a fair point15:38
davmor2diddledan: because phone and desktop are the same team so why call them different things when you can call both personal, add to that table and tv and it's even easier to call it one thing rather than 4 :)15:38
diddledanwhy can't we just call it "ubuntu"?15:38
SuperMattI think I get it. Snappy is used in phones because it's a way of being able to install applications without requiring any kind of privalege escalation. It's a personal device, so it doesn't need to be overly complex - hence ubuntu personal15:39
diddledanI get why we have the name "ubuntu phone" while there's a difference between the two, but once we're unified I don't see why we can't just call it "ubuntu"15:40
SuperMattbut the deb based ubuntu works in the old way. Want to install something? You need to escalate to root. This is not a personal way of doing things15:40
davmor2diddledan: because all of it is ubuntu but you wouldn't install the cloud image on your phone, so we need a way to separate for the new series coming though, so Ubuntu cloud, Ubuntu server, Ubuntu Personal and Ubuntu  iot15:42
diddledanok, that makes sense15:43
diddledanso when can I buy ubuntu personal?15:43
diddledan:-p15:43
davmor2diddledan: once snappy is stable, it's api is stable and then we have the desktop/gfx/networking/bluetooth.....frameworks in place :)15:46
diddledanam I right in believing that unity8 will be default on 16.04? if so will that be ontop of mir or X+xmir?15:47
davmor2diddledan: no15:47
diddledanok15:47
davmor2diddledan: unity7 will be the default for 16.04, unity8/snappy (aka personal) will be targeted for 16.10 but again not as default, the users will say when it is ready for the prime time, but then the plan as I understand it that 18.04 will be personal based15:49
diddledanrightio15:49
diddledanso we're hoping to be personal in the next LTS15:50
diddledan(after 16.04)15:50
davmor2diddledan: I think that is the game plan but it depends on lots of things and user feedback etc etc etc If you listen to Marks keynote from UOS he says we will not be rushing unity8 to the desktop like we did with unity715:51
diddledanright, so we're going for more of a "when it's ready"15:52
diddledanI think that is quite a good approach - have targets but not requirements15:52
diddledanI hate hard deadlines15:53
diddledaninteresting video I'm watching on scopes from the UoS - about the javascript scopes. using node.js intrigues me because it would be interesting to explore the possibility of using node.js to create normal apps too in addition to the qml and html styles15:57
diddledanhmm, node embedded in each scope that uses it16:01
diddledanproblem with that is increase in package size16:02
brobostigonanyone familier with a hittite cuneiform translation matrix?16:44
davmor2brobostigon: isn't everyone........hmmmmm not!16:48
brobostigonquite.16:49
brobostigonits a specilist thing.16:49
diddledanI was just thinking about learning that!16:49
davmor2brobostigon: the hittites were a tribe from the old testiment if that helps16:50
diddledanI thought to myself about 10 minutes ago "wouldn't it be interesting to learn about a hittite cuneiform translation matrix?"16:50
brobostigondavmor2: infact the hitties were a tribe that dies out in 1200bc in eastern turkey.16:50
brobostigondavmor2: but yes, they were mentioned in said document as well.16:51
* diddledan sniggers at the similarity between the word hitties and a piece of anatomy16:51
davmor2brobostigon: weren't they the ones with a city that rivalled the egyptians, set high in some mountains that made it virtually impregnable too16:52
brobostigondavmor2: spot on.16:52
diddledanspeaking of ancient people - did you know the bible tells of ancient dwarf civilisations? the nehites and the shoehites16:52
davmor2brobostigon: it's almost like I saw a tv show about it........wait a minute  I did :)16:52
zmoylan-piyou're going to encode all your private docs in cuniform? :-)16:53
brobostigondavmor2: :)16:53
diddledanzmoylan-pi: what about heiroglyps?16:53
brobostigonzmoylan-pi: i need it for a potential game a friend of mine has suggested.16:53
davmor2brobostigon: so cuniform is their version of heiroglyphs right16:53
zmoylan-pithat's just emojii... not cool now, not cool then :-)16:53
diddledanlol16:54
brobostigondavmor2: cuneiform is the writing system they used, yes.16:54
diddledancuniform was just a series of lines iirc?16:54
brobostigonno.16:54
diddledanshows how much I know :-p16:54
zmoylan-piwedge shaped impressions in clay iirc16:54
diddledanI R CLEVR16:54
zmoylan-pihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform16:55
diddledanthat was taught by the aliens, right?16:56
davmor2brobostigon: from what I remember from the show, isn't it like tall pyramid shape that made up characters similar to chinese/japanese16:56
davmor2ah it is \o/ I rock at remembering tv shows16:57
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tDJP1Ctci816:57
brobostigondavmor2: kindof, i am familier with cuneiform, i need a software engine to be able to potentially assist the user with the idea i mentioned above.16:59
diddledanbrobostigon, does google translate work? :-p17:00
brobostigonit also depends on which version of cuneiform, it varied quite a bit, over tis 35000 odd years in usage.17:00
brobostigondiddledan: somehow i think thats very unlikely.17:00
diddledanthat's almost like a real language!17:00
zmoylan-piyou have an extra 0 there unless you want to go the whole aliens route :-)17:00
davmor2brobostigon: maybe make tiles and then treat it like mahjonng17:01
diddledanzmoylan-pi, definitely go the aliens route!17:01
brobostigondavmor2: :)17:01
* diddledan cites the youtube link above17:01
davmor2brobostigon: or better still scrabble17:02
brobostigonlol.17:03
zmoylan-pii thought i was geeky playing a rpg with a latin root... :-)17:04
davmor2zmoylan-pi: amateur17:08
zmoylan-piand just in time to preserve your tweets... http://dumbcuneiform.com/17:13
davmor2popey: I wonder if we can do band names for the next alphabet cycle, Adam Ant, Beastie boys, culture club.... it could catch on right :)17:13
zmoylan-pior 8 bit computers... atari, bbc, commodore...17:18
davmor2zmoylan-pi: needs to be AA, BB, CC etc17:19
diddledanisn't it supposed to be adjective/noun?17:20
davmor2diddledan: yes17:21
davmor2diddledan: but band names shakes it up a bit :)17:21
diddledanin which case your CC would have to be cultured club17:21
zmoylan-piusing the names might cause legal issues...17:22
davmor2zmoylan-pi: ofcourse it would it's not a serious suggestion :P17:22
diddledanwhat about body parts?17:23
zmoylan-piit is sad that such a simple idea couldn't get past a wild idea stage...17:23
diddledanepic eyes?17:23
diddledancrazy calfs?17:23
zmoylan-pidynamic duodenum17:24
diddledanooh good one17:24
diddledanstrenuous sternum17:24
zmoylan-pia.... hmmmm.... :-)17:24
diddledanacute anus17:25
daftykinswhat did i channel switch into...17:25
davmor2arterial aorta17:25
zmoylan-pihumongus hemaroids...17:25
diddledanlol17:25
zmoylan-piwhat are we naming again? :-p17:25
diddledanwhat about viruses? contagious clamidia?17:26
davmor2diddledan: get your coat17:27
diddledandavmor2, have I pulled?17:27
diddledanor am I being kicked out?17:27
diddledan:-p17:27
davmor2diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3OM2MA1pic17:28
popeydavmor2, we wont need names, we'll be rolling by then :)17:30
davmor2popey: ah of course every release is rawhide17:30
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diddledanmy gmail spambox is full of brightly coloured animated icons in the subject lines20:16
daftykinsyeah i've been getting those the last week or two20:17
* davmor2 doesn't look at his spam folder20:18
davmor2makes me cry20:18
diddledanI try to remember to go through every so often20:18
diddledanone problem I have is several accounts are all set to forward to a single place but each of those seem to have different spam catching than the final destination20:19
diddledanapparently my spambox thinks I have a partner, and that I want to cheat on that partner20:21
diddledanso not only has it given me a partner I wasn't aware of, but it's also decided that I need to be a cheating bar steward20:22
MyrttiI go through everything daily20:23
diddledanI guess I need to stop cheating and start loving the partner that I manage to have completely overlooked20:23
Myrttiunread emails is 0 at all times20:23
davmor2diddledan: maybe it is that spambox has a partner and it is cheating and it is hiding it's mail by addressing it to you knowing it will get forwarded as spam to itself20:23
diddledanI hear that gmail gives you an infinity symbol when you have a lot of unread20:23
mappshi all22:10
diddledanello mapps22:56
* daftykins looks at diddledan 23:51
daftykinsanother dead disk!23:51
diddledan-.-23:51
diddledanlol23:51
diddledanwell done!23:51
diddledan\o/23:51
daftykinsi can smells 'em, i tell ya!23:51
diddledankeep 'em coming23:51

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