[02:14] <mapps> tired;]
[02:15] <mapps> watched 2 films today heh man from uncle and knock knock
[02:15] <mapps> hard day:)
[03:13] <mapps> quiet time eh
[09:23] <diplo> Morning all
[09:30] <popey> yes
[09:38] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Freedom Day! 😃
[09:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU  seems apt
[09:50] <JamesTait> davmor2, +1
[09:53] <foobarry> how can i check in perl if a variable doesn't contain special characters?
[09:54] <foobarry> i'm chomping lines from a log that sometimes have weird chars like  ��
[09:54] <davmor2> foobarry: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[09:55] <foobarry> oh :(
[09:55] <davmor2> foobarry: perl's doc base is meant to be really good you can check there other than that someone must still use perl ;)
[09:56] <foobarry> i think i just need a regexp to check for regaular alphanumeric+punctuiations
[09:57] <foobarry> if ($str =~ /[^!-~\s]/g){print "Non-ASCII character found"}
[09:57] <foobarry> maybe that will do it
[09:57] <davmor2> foobarry: http://perldoc.perl.org/perlunicode.html that might help you
[10:01] <foobarry> davmor2: the regexp fixed it for me
[10:01] <davmor2> foobarry: :)
[10:18] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:26] <bigcalm> o/
[10:27] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[12:14] <daftykins> aww my favourite tamed telco engineer is retiring in 4 weeks :(
[12:17] <daftykins> great having a direct line to get stuff sorted :D
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> was... it WAS great having a direct line to get stuff sorted :-)
[12:19] <daftykins> ;_; too soon!
[12:19] <daftykins> just got a nice USB 3.0 UASP capable 2.5" SATA enclosure :D
[12:20] <daftykins> also 4 x 8GB USB 2.0 flash drives for £8 \o/
[12:20] <daftykins> trying out doing a straight up cp of an ubuntu ISO straight onto the /dev/sdX now, not tried it before
[12:22] <popey> cp?
[12:22] <popey> not dd?
[12:22] <popey> ooh, lunch time
[12:29] <daftykins> indeed! sure enough it works perfecto
[12:29] <daftykins> sudo cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX
[12:29] <daftykins> a quick "sync" after to be sure, and hey presto
[13:29] <popey> Anyone else use privacy badger
[13:29] <popey> ?
[13:31] <foobarry> nope
[13:31] <foobarry> use adblock
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> i have it installed in firefox atm
[13:32] <daftykins> ublock origin is a lot leaner than adblock
[13:32] <foobarry> daftykins: how?
[13:32] <daftykins> its' implementation is just better, give it a try
[13:32] <foobarry> "This extension does not work at all in FF42. Everything is allowed now. Examples being google-analytics, scorecardresearch, facebook, etc. Everything is set to allow."
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> but be careful to use ublock origin and not the other version of ublock
[13:32] <daftykins> plus it has none of the bribery whitelisting that adblock has.
[13:32] <foobarry> ^^ someone moanuing about badger in ff
[13:33] <foobarry> response: If you've installed a new version of it, it will take some time for Privacy Badger to re-build its hueristics. You may find that soon many of these trackers will be blocked (once they've been spotted on a few sites)
[13:33] <zmoylan-pi> seems to be working/reporting trackers on firefox 42 here ok
[13:34] <foobarry> others moaning that it breaks sites
[13:35] <foobarry> css issues
[13:39] <diddledan> if it just blocks shared assets then I wonder how it copes with things like the javascript cdn?
[13:39] <diddledan> specifically https://cdnjs.com/
[15:33] <Laney> booked a dentist checkup for 8.30 on thursday
[15:33] <Laney> WHY
[15:34] <diddledan> that's way too early
[15:34] <diddledan> you'll have to not sleep! :-p
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> flannel pyjamas soak up lots of blood... :-P
[15:35] <diddledan> ok. what's "ubuntu personal"?
[15:35] <diddledan> teh googs isn't helping much on the term
[15:35] <davmor2> diddledan: snappy based phone and desktop
[15:36] <davmor2> diddledan: infact just generally phone and desktop
[15:36] <diddledan> why do we need a different name?
[15:36] <popey> deb vs not-deb based
[15:37] <diddledan> hmm
[15:38] <SuperMatt> that's a fair point
[15:38] <davmor2> diddledan: because phone and desktop are the same team so why call them different things when you can call both personal, add to that table and tv and it's even easier to call it one thing rather than 4 :)
[15:38] <diddledan> why can't we just call it "ubuntu"?
[15:39] <SuperMatt> I think I get it. Snappy is used in phones because it's a way of being able to install applications without requiring any kind of privalege escalation. It's a personal device, so it doesn't need to be overly complex - hence ubuntu personal
[15:40] <diddledan> I get why we have the name "ubuntu phone" while there's a difference between the two, but once we're unified I don't see why we can't just call it "ubuntu"
[15:40] <SuperMatt> but the deb based ubuntu works in the old way. Want to install something? You need to escalate to root. This is not a personal way of doing things
[15:42] <davmor2> diddledan: because all of it is ubuntu but you wouldn't install the cloud image on your phone, so we need a way to separate for the new series coming though, so Ubuntu cloud, Ubuntu server, Ubuntu Personal and Ubuntu  iot
[15:43] <diddledan> ok, that makes sense
[15:43] <diddledan> so when can I buy ubuntu personal?
[15:43] <diddledan> :-p
[15:46] <davmor2> diddledan: once snappy is stable, it's api is stable and then we have the desktop/gfx/networking/bluetooth.....frameworks in place :)
[15:47] <diddledan> am I right in believing that unity8 will be default on 16.04? if so will that be ontop of mir or X+xmir?
[15:47] <davmor2> diddledan: no
[15:47] <diddledan> ok
[15:49] <davmor2> diddledan: unity7 will be the default for 16.04, unity8/snappy (aka personal) will be targeted for 16.10 but again not as default, the users will say when it is ready for the prime time, but then the plan as I understand it that 18.04 will be personal based
[15:49] <diddledan> rightio
[15:50] <diddledan> so we're hoping to be personal in the next LTS
[15:50] <diddledan> (after 16.04)
[15:51] <davmor2> diddledan: I think that is the game plan but it depends on lots of things and user feedback etc etc etc If you listen to Marks keynote from UOS he says we will not be rushing unity8 to the desktop like we did with unity7
[15:52] <diddledan> right, so we're going for more of a "when it's ready"
[15:52] <diddledan> I think that is quite a good approach - have targets but not requirements
[15:53] <diddledan> I hate hard deadlines
[15:57] <diddledan> interesting video I'm watching on scopes from the UoS - about the javascript scopes. using node.js intrigues me because it would be interesting to explore the possibility of using node.js to create normal apps too in addition to the qml and html styles
[16:01] <diddledan> hmm, node embedded in each scope that uses it
[16:02] <diddledan> problem with that is increase in package size
[16:44] <brobostigon> anyone familier with a hittite cuneiform translation matrix?
[16:48] <davmor2> brobostigon: isn't everyone........hmmmmm not!
[16:49] <brobostigon> quite.
[16:49] <brobostigon> its a specilist thing.
[16:49] <diddledan> I was just thinking about learning that!
[16:50] <davmor2> brobostigon: the hittites were a tribe from the old testiment if that helps
[16:50] <diddledan> I thought to myself about 10 minutes ago "wouldn't it be interesting to learn about a hittite cuneiform translation matrix?"
[16:50] <brobostigon> davmor2: infact the hitties were a tribe that dies out in 1200bc in eastern turkey.
[16:51] <brobostigon> davmor2: but yes, they were mentioned in said document as well.
[16:51]  * diddledan sniggers at the similarity between the word hitties and a piece of anatomy
[16:52] <davmor2> brobostigon: weren't they the ones with a city that rivalled the egyptians, set high in some mountains that made it virtually impregnable too
[16:52] <brobostigon> davmor2: spot on.
[16:52] <diddledan> speaking of ancient people - did you know the bible tells of ancient dwarf civilisations? the nehites and the shoehites
[16:52] <davmor2> brobostigon: it's almost like I saw a tv show about it........wait a minute  I did :)
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> you're going to encode all your private docs in cuniform? :-)
[16:53] <brobostigon> davmor2: :)
[16:53] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: what about heiroglyps?
[16:53] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: i need it for a potential game a friend of mine has suggested.
[16:53] <davmor2> brobostigon: so cuniform is their version of heiroglyphs right
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> that's just emojii... not cool now, not cool then :-)
[16:54] <diddledan> lol
[16:54] <brobostigon> davmor2: cuneiform is the writing system they used, yes.
[16:54] <diddledan> cuniform was just a series of lines iirc?
[16:54] <brobostigon> no.
[16:54] <diddledan> shows how much I know :-p
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> wedge shaped impressions in clay iirc
[16:54] <diddledan> I R CLEVR
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform
[16:56] <diddledan> that was taught by the aliens, right?
[16:56] <davmor2> brobostigon: from what I remember from the show, isn't it like tall pyramid shape that made up characters similar to chinese/japanese
[16:57] <davmor2> ah it is \o/ I rock at remembering tv shows
[16:57] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tDJP1Ctci8
[16:59] <brobostigon> davmor2: kindof, i am familier with cuneiform, i need a software engine to be able to potentially assist the user with the idea i mentioned above.
[17:00] <diddledan> brobostigon, does google translate work? :-p
[17:00] <brobostigon> it also depends on which version of cuneiform, it varied quite a bit, over tis 35000 odd years in usage.
[17:00] <brobostigon> diddledan: somehow i think thats very unlikely.
[17:00] <diddledan> that's almost like a real language!
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> you have an extra 0 there unless you want to go the whole aliens route :-)
[17:01] <davmor2> brobostigon: maybe make tiles and then treat it like mahjonng
[17:01] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, definitely go the aliens route!
[17:01] <brobostigon> davmor2: :)
[17:01]  * diddledan cites the youtube link above
[17:02] <davmor2> brobostigon: or better still scrabble
[17:03] <brobostigon> lol.
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> i thought i was geeky playing a rpg with a latin root... :-)
[17:08] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: amateur
[17:13] <zmoylan-pi> and just in time to preserve your tweets... http://dumbcuneiform.com/
[17:13] <davmor2> popey: I wonder if we can do band names for the next alphabet cycle, Adam Ant, Beastie boys, culture club.... it could catch on right :)
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> or 8 bit computers... atari, bbc, commodore...
[17:19] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: needs to be AA, BB, CC etc
[17:20] <diddledan> isn't it supposed to be adjective/noun?
[17:21] <davmor2> diddledan: yes
[17:21] <davmor2> diddledan: but band names shakes it up a bit :)
[17:21] <diddledan> in which case your CC would have to be cultured club
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> using the names might cause legal issues...
[17:22] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: ofcourse it would it's not a serious suggestion :P
[17:23] <diddledan> what about body parts?
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> it is sad that such a simple idea couldn't get past a wild idea stage...
[17:23] <diddledan> epic eyes?
[17:23] <diddledan> crazy calfs?
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> dynamic duodenum
[17:24] <diddledan> ooh good one
[17:24] <diddledan> strenuous sternum
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> a.... hmmmm.... :-)
[17:25] <diddledan> acute anus
[17:25] <daftykins> what did i channel switch into...
[17:25] <davmor2> arterial aorta
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> humongus hemaroids...
[17:25] <diddledan> lol
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> what are we naming again? :-p
[17:26] <diddledan> what about viruses? contagious clamidia?
[17:27] <davmor2> diddledan: get your coat
[17:27] <diddledan> davmor2, have I pulled?
[17:27] <diddledan> or am I being kicked out?
[17:27] <diddledan> :-p
[17:28] <davmor2> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3OM2MA1pic
[17:30] <popey> davmor2, we wont need names, we'll be rolling by then :)
[17:30] <davmor2> popey: ah of course every release is rawhide
[20:16] <diddledan> my gmail spambox is full of brightly coloured animated icons in the subject lines
[20:17] <daftykins> yeah i've been getting those the last week or two
[20:18]  * davmor2 doesn't look at his spam folder
[20:18] <davmor2> makes me cry
[20:18] <diddledan> I try to remember to go through every so often
[20:19] <diddledan> one problem I have is several accounts are all set to forward to a single place but each of those seem to have different spam catching than the final destination
[20:21] <diddledan> apparently my spambox thinks I have a partner, and that I want to cheat on that partner
[20:22] <diddledan> so not only has it given me a partner I wasn't aware of, but it's also decided that I need to be a cheating bar steward
[20:23] <Myrtti> I go through everything daily
[20:23] <diddledan> I guess I need to stop cheating and start loving the partner that I manage to have completely overlooked
[20:23] <Myrtti> unread emails is 0 at all times
[20:23] <davmor2> diddledan: maybe it is that spambox has a partner and it is cheating and it is hiding it's mail by addressing it to you knowing it will get forwarded as spam to itself
[20:23] <diddledan> I hear that gmail gives you an infinity symbol when you have a lot of unread
[22:10] <mapps> hi all
[22:56] <diddledan> ello mapps
[23:51]  * daftykins looks at diddledan 
[23:51] <daftykins> another dead disk!
[23:51] <diddledan> -.-
[23:51] <diddledan> lol
[23:51] <diddledan> well done!
[23:51] <diddledan> \o/
[23:51] <daftykins> i can smells 'em, i tell ya!
[23:51] <diddledan> keep 'em coming